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The new Dell Axim X51v has 256MB RAM on WM5.0. Why the hell didn't the 'Worlds' Most Powerful fu..ing phone' get this? :evil:
HTC..you are are truly wicked!!! :evil:
You build the Dell Axim don't you? :? Microsoft..you test your software don't you? Stupid question.. you obviously don't, but are quick to charge for incomplete and unpolished software. In contrast you are quick to prosecute people who actually copy your buggy software.
HTC...how can you make new geneeration devices with under-powered bits? 64 MB RAM? C'mon!! Couldn't you have at least given us 128MB RAM so we don't all worry about memory management? Are you listening? Aaarrghh... who cares right :evil: ??!!??
I can't make up my mind if the Universal is an excellent technological achievement or an overpriced, overhyped piece of poorely stiched together meta-technologies. :roll:
So now, I have to learn to become a technology guru, not because I want to, just so I can use my bloody phone. :x
I give up.
No need to have a fit mate!
You've got your numbers mixed up. The Dell Axim has 256MB of ROM, and in fact has 64MB of RAM (same as the Universal).
Windows Mobile 5 introduced persistant storage which basically means everything is stored in ROM, rather than RAM as with WM2003. This means you now have the full amount of RAM available to you, and 64MB is loads!
There's also the issue that if you double the RAM size you double the memory power requirements which affects battery life.
Take a look at this article which explains it all a lot better than I can, and you'll see it's actually a really good idea to have 64MB:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/07/14/438991.aspx
Persistant Storage
no: 1
Thank you for your informative reply & I found the provided link very useful too. Well, they should have still given us at least what the Dell has got. Except for the keyboard and phone, we've not got much more and we pay more than double! Anyway, thanks again.
I'll discuss these issues with my shrink at our next meeting, I just can't control myself.
What is in the Dell vs. other PDA's that HTC makes is not really something that is comparable. Dell pays HTC for making the Axims. I imagine that if Dell is willing to spend the money on higher specs, they can do that. HTC doesn't decide what's in the Dell Axim, Dell does (for the most part). HTC then engineers and builds the devices.
On the other hand, HTC makes the JasJar for i-mate. i-mate decides the specs they want (with some input from the phoner companies I'm sure) and they pay HTC to make their PDA's. So, just because HTC makes the PDA's doesn't mean they are all going to be same spec-minded or the same cost. It's up to the "brand" (HP, Dell, i-mate etc) what HTC makes for them.
As far as deciding whether the Universal is an excellent technological achievement or an overpriced, overhyped piece of poorly stiched together meta-technologies, it's a little bit of both. It is an excellent technological achievement AND it is overpriced
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mackaby007 said:
Couldn't you have at least given us 128MB RAM
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The motherboard and software was designed
for 128MB RAM, but they put only 64MB into
Universal. Saves THEM money and reduces
power consumption.
DaleReeck said:
As far as deciding whether the Universal is an excellent technological achievement
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Compared to Himalaya and Blueangel, it is a
step back in engineering.
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DaleReeck said:
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Compared to Himalaya and Blueangel, it is a
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It's a big shame!!!
They promised us heaven, and I find myself in hell!!
This device is a dream, but without minimum 128MB, better 256 MB of RAM, becomes hell, and useless!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil:
256Mb of Ram?
I have a (old) pentium 4 laptop that works well enough with 256Mb of Ram. Doesn't that seem a bit excessive for a PPC, especially as your battery would only last for about 93 seconds?!
As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
@trendstyle,
Sell the device.
Anyways, what is it that the 64MB RAM of the JJ does not permit you to do? Why on earth would you need 128MB of RAM? I multi-task extensively with the device and yet face no memory errors. Are you trying to run Photoshop or something like that on your device?
As another forum member has rightly pointed out, what on earth would you need 256Mb RAM for??? It wouldn't even last those 93 seconds!!!
Word of advice to other people who want to crib about the device. Before you start getting all nutty about spending this much and that much on a device, do a thorough research or wait for some reviews. You will save yourself and others the agony and disappointment.
My 0.002.
I entirely agree with Universaldoc.
While listening to the media player and running two processor and memory intensive applications Planmaker and TextMaker simultaneously I still have 10MB of RAM to spare. Why do I need more RAM. I am to use my JJ practically and not to see what amount of applications I need to open simultaneously to kill the JJ. More RAM is technically possible. But do I need it at the expense of battery life. A big "NO" for me at least.
Regards
Do you?
10 Mb are enough?
There are some games, that requires 15 MB of free RAM!!
And in a super top device, this should be acceptable???
Give a look here....
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=119353&thread=42
Then tell me if I am the only one....
I change a mobile phone every 4 months, buying always what is the top of the technology...
And believe me, at the moment, jasjar doesn't deliver what I-mate promised...
I look forward to a new rom, solving memory problems!
A new rom that came with 256mb memory with it, now there's something....
The universal is a good device and memory is fine on it you can have loads of apps running and it still runs faultlessly. This is not a lap top, if you ned one of those buy one nor is this a mobile it's a great device that tries to accomodate both, sure it could have more memory but then you'd be *****ing that " it's primarily a phone, why is the battery life so bad, it runs out half way through the day and i miss loads of important calls"
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As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
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Yes, I do thanks, and if you "can't use it at all, with the very simple applications" then I'd suggest there's something actually, properly, really, honestly, very wrong with yours?! (Especially if your Treo 650 runs much better)
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Given 128Mb RAM, I'm sure some people would only move on to bemoaning the fact that it 'only' runs at 520Mhz, it 'only' has 128Mb Rom, it 'only' has 802.11b, it's 'only' got 1.3 megapixels, etc, etc, etc.
The JasJar is not perfect, and there's a thread in this forum where people are already posting their JasJar 2 wishlists, but in my personal opinion (and I'm sure many agree), it's currently the best PDA/Phone available, it has near flawless performance for my purposes, and I for one am more than happy with it.
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I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM
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It's a shame to install <8GB RAM with AMD64.
And while you are there, the second CPU will
not hurt 8)
sub69 said:
trendystyle said:
As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
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Yes, I do thanks, and if you "can't use it at all, with the very simple applications" then I'd suggest there's something actually, properly, really, honestly, very wrong with yours?! (Especially if your Treo 650 runs much better)
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Given 128Mb RAM, I'm sure some people would only move on to bemoaning the fact that it 'only' runs at 520Mhz, it 'only' has 128Mb Rom, it 'only' has 802.11b, it's 'only' got 1.3 megapixels, etc, etc, etc.
The JasJar is not perfect, and there's a thread in this forum where people are already posting their JasJar 2 wishlists, but in my personal opinion (and I'm sure many agree), it's currently the best PDA/Phone available, it has near flawless performance for my purposes, and I for one am more than happy with it.
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The treo rusns much better, because is able to run all the applications nd games on Palm OS, Jasjar, can't run games like arvale2, age of empire, ancient evil, are we talking about the latest in pocket pc phone, that can't do what my Asus 420mhz did 1 and a half year ago???
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sub69 said:
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM
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It's a shame to install <8GB RAM with AMD64.
And while you are there, the second CPU will
not hurt 8)
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very funny...
By the way, do you think I am having fun??
Maybe I am posting this, to make sure, that until something get fixed with a new ROM, nobody will do the same mistake I did, Jasjar has been sent out in beta release....
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Concerning this, I have a Dell Inspiron, 9300( a laptop), 2.14GHz Centrino Sonoma(equivalent to a Pentium 4, 3,8 Ghz), with 2 GB of ram, and Nvidia 6800 go with 256MB of video memory,I like my tech stuff to be the top, and this is why I bought right away the Jasjar, as all the review I read on the web they were screaming it was great!
My Inspiron is great, Jasjar, not at the moment...
In my point of view I assume 64 RAM are enough but if we had a big DOC storage well lets say about 256 MB this could be something for us, but the facts and the sad parts, which it's the 128MB of DOC :evil: !!!
I was reading the Universal hardware specs, we could upgrade the DOC to a bigger size!!! But we need a hardware techy to solder it.
Just goto this link you will know better Click Here!
ramram said:
In my point of view I assume 64 RAM are enough but if we had a big DOC storage well lets say about 256 MB this could be something for us, but the facts and the sad parts, which it's the 128MB of DOC :evil: !!!
I was reading the Universal hardware specs, we could upgrade the DOC to a bigger size!!! But we need a hardware techy to solder it.
Just goto this link you will know better Click Here!
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If it's possible, I will do it, let me know if you get more news about it!
I am having thoughts of installing a ssd drive inside htc shift. Is this possible? Has anybody tried it or dissasembly htc shift?
Thanks,
Lefteris
i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.
That's a lot of ifs...
And if you look in Vista at the Experience index, you can see that the HD is fast enough
Okay, SSD is always a lot faster.
I forgot the big if,
IF you can afford one the proper size
If someone has very large juevos they could crack their shift open and take some pictures!!!
doh, daniel u should of done that before replacing it!!!!!
There are internal pics of the Shift on the FCC site.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...omFrame=N&application_id=542917&fcc_id='NM8CL'
good to know we can upgrade the harddrive very easily then
and the ram oh goody 2 gig chip
Those are very easy upgrades, does anyone know the part #s for the existing items?
We need a ghost of a prestine box, make sure one of the senior guys when they get their box to ghost is right away.
Well one thing for sure an extra gigabyte of ram would help.
But is does seems we need a very specific module to replace the RAM.
Any ideas where to buy such a module?
According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html
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According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html
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I had some trouble opening the link but now it seems to work.
The problems I see is that Qimonda is a producer of RAM chips, not a retailer/seller of modules.
And second they only list 1GB sets.
Third, where can we get our paws on a 2GB module?
Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/
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Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/
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Can you tell me where you found that 2GB DDR2 MicroDimm?
Ok that is a lot about RAM but how about a SSD?
I believe the BIOS should support 2 gigs. I asked the folks at HTC about this and they didn't indicate any issues beyond the challenge of opening the device and the fact that it does void the warranty.
http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473;c:36376;r:prisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.
premier69 said:
http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473%3bc:36376%3brrisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.
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The MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF1 is an 8mm drive (height), so no, it won't fit. You want the MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 which is 5mm in height.
Google told me that
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=208242&page=303&highlight=2510p
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomy B.
I did some research and find out that there is two versions of Mtron Mobi 3000 1.8" 32GB with ZIF.
Does anyone know is there any difference between MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF1 and MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2, except thickness (first one is 8 mm, second 5 mm) and price.
Is there some reason for MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2 to be cheap?
If someone can recommend any 2.5" SSD with 44-pin IDE or 1.8" with ZIF just let me know. 32 GB is just enough. I had Samsung 1.8" with 50-pin IDE, but it was 16 GB (around 15GB actually), so 50-pin IDE will work too.
The only difference betweem the ZIF1 and ZIF2 is the height. The ZIF2 (5mm) is being produced for regular orders by Mtron, so you will find this easily available (http://rocketdisk.com/index.php?cPath=15) but the ZIF1 (8mm) is only being produced for OEMs and other special situations.
There is no reason for it to be so cheap, other than good value
The performance is really awesome & as you have probably seen on notebookreview.com there are lots of happy customers!! ---- end quote
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i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.
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背面有8颗螺丝,键盘下面有一颗螺丝 ,一共9颗 在电池接口处出力压下,键盘会跳出来,看我的拆机图http://picasaweb.google.com/netcnn/Netck
btw: I buyed yesterday a MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 within Ebay. We will see how fast it is. But I think this is the fastest ATA-7 1,8" HDD on Market. Mtron announced a 64 and 128GB Version as well a few months ago, but I never see anything like this.. :-(
Hello everyone,
I have got the xperia but I was just as you confused about whether the it had got 256 or 384mb ram, so I decided to call the special x1 support to get my question solved.
The guy seemed very educated on the phone, as he answered my question without hesitation.
Apparently that guy who said there were going to be 384mb ram, was wrong. It IS 256mb. I was told that he had mixed up internal memory and RAM.
This was really dissapointing to hear as I cannot get how a senior product manager can repetetly make the same miss saying over and over again without ever publicly say that this was a miss saying.
None the less, I am keeping my phone. Its great still.
Apparently that guy who said there were going to be 384mb ram, was wrong
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do you know who is 'that guy' to whom you refer to?
*edit* didn't see you already know who he is
TBH I can't believe it
No, Xperia get 384 Mb.
There is explanation about that.
From
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2008/10/13/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-answers
Q&A
What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
I am aware of this explanation but this guy really seemed sure about that it was a miss saying. He said that there is, ONLY 256mb ram.
edit: Where does this rumor come from anyway? That there is 128mb on cpu/gpu ram?
Agaas said:
Hello everyone,
I have got the xperia but I was just as you confused about whether the it had got 256 or 384mb ram, so I decided to call the special x1 support to get my question solved.
The guy seemed very educated on the phone, as he answered my question without hesitation.
Apparently that guy who said there were going to be 384mb ram, was wrong. It IS 256mb. I was told that he had mixed up internal memory and RAM.
This was really dissapointing to hear as I cannot get how a senior product manager can repetetly make the same miss saying over and over again without ever publicly say that this was a miss saying.
None the less, I am keeping my phone. Its great still.
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Hmmm... could you ask him again quoting what Matt said at Tracy & Matt? Or rather, simply just ask him how much memory is dedicated to the 3D Chip.
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Hmmm... could you ask him again quoting what Matt said at Tracy & Matt? Or rather, simply just ask him how much memory is dedicated to the 3D Chip.
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Okey, I will. But later when Ive got time to
inuka said:
No, Xperia get 384 Mb.
There is explanation about that.
From
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2008/10/13/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-answers
Q&A
What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
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I think X1's RAM is 256MB at present.
Why Matt can say "128MB RAM for CPU/3D"? I don’t think Matt can know this (128MB RAM for CPU/3D) by the normal review.
ahyi said:
I think X1's RAM is 256MB at present.
Why Matt can say "128MB RAM for CPU/3D"? I don’t think Matt can know this (128MB RAM for CPU/3D) by the normal review.
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He got a PRESS release, and i'm pretty much positive that they get a detailed spec sheet or something with that. He wouldn't have said it on his own, of that i am sure.
Pardon my ignorance. Who are Matt and Tracy? I've been on their site but it doesn't have anything about them on there? I presume its a London based site given the 0208 number on their 'Contact' page
Have they either
a) been involved in the design/manafacturing process of the X1 or
b) actually opened up the device and seen for themselves?
Maby someone with a bit of knowledge behind circuits on phones could have a look at this and tell us if there infact is 384mb or not:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1011334&native_or_pdf=pdf
This shows images on the xperias internal parts.
(found the link in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434895&highlight=inside+xperia)
Ask Tracy and Matt where that information came from... OH YEAH, assumption because Xperiancers said 384 and the device shows 256 RAM. There's no way to prove there's 128 dedicated to graphics when you have the device, there's no spec that shows it. They know as little as we do and assumed.
Agaas said:
Hello everyone,
I have got the xperia but I was just as you confused about whether the it had got 256 or 384mb ram, so I decided to call the special x1 support to get my question solved.
The guy seemed very educated on the phone, as he answered my question without hesitation.
Apparently that guy who said there were going to be 384mb ram, was wrong. It IS 256mb. I was told that he had mixed up internal memory and RAM.
This was really dissapointing to hear as I cannot get how a senior product manager can repetetly make the same miss saying over and over again without ever publicly say that this was a miss saying.
None the less, I am keeping my phone. Its great still.
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The 'guy" MAGNUS the MORON
Hi all. I was the one who was sherlocking the internals of the prototype tested by the FCC, I would regard the one tested by the commission as being the final version. The part number 8MA98jq257 xv99 is security badged with a unique part number manufactured by a semiconductor company called
Micron Technology Inc, They specialise in mobile ram of many variants.
and 128Mb is not out of the question since they have sizes up to a 1Gb,
The recent news of the storm successor which is in works now has alledgely 1Gb of Ram, So it's not totally out of the question.
Thanks all....time to do some IC Sherlocking, Any new information I will keep you informed.
ugh, this is likely a bad news
I've inspected this link http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1011334&native_or_pdf=pdf
and compared it to the micron mobile ram database from the official website, here is my thoughts :
1. so far the evidence suggest that there is only 1 RAM chip in X1, the one that has 8MA898 JQ257 written on it.
2. there are no 384 RAM module in this world AFAIK.
3. so the best guess would be that RAM chip is the one with 256MB, if it a 512MB chip then it won't make sense, and it's more expensive.
4. and sadly, there is a big probability that there are actually no RAM dedicated for the GPU, because there are no other RAM chip there so far.
5. if we speculate that THAT is the VRAM, then where is the system RAM? That is the only RAM chip! Except if there are more RAM chip, that is could be the one covered with heatsink but I doubt it.
nap007 said:
ugh, this is likely a bad news
I've inspected this link http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1011334&native_or_pdf=pdf
and compared it to the micron mobile ram database from the official website, here is my thoughts :
1. so far the evidence suggest that there is only 1 RAM chip in X1, the one that has 8MA898 JQ257 written on it.
2. there are no 384 RAM module in this world AFAIK.
3. so the best guess would be that RAM chip is the one with 256MB, if it a 512MB chip then it won't make sense, and it's more expensive.
4. and sadly, there is a big probability that there are actually no RAM dedicated for the GPU, because there are no other RAM chip there so far.
5. if we speculate that THAT is the VRAM, then where is the system RAM? That is the only RAM chip! Except if there are more RAM chip, that is could be the one covered with heatsink but I doubt it.
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Need i point out that this document was created on the 10th of the last month, a few days after the announcement was spread about 384 MB RAM... so has shots of a proto, definitely. Even the people who got their hands on an Xperia by the end of the month identified it as a proto.
Anyways... Just leave this discussion. What's the use? It could be this or it could be that. SE sucks in their marketing - kudos to them on that - but i am certain that Xperia will be one hell of a phone. It does have a 3d Chip with dedicated RAM... but how much? that we can only assume to be 128 as that would bring the overall total to 384... but let's just wait and see.
I almost gave up on the set. My brother is in Dubai and i gave him the ok to purchase a Touch Pro for me, 'cos i could not wait for Xperia any more, but then i played with the Touch Pro here at a local shop and i changed my mind again. The Panels interface has much more to offer than the beatifully done TF3D... And considering that there actually turns out to be dedicated memory for the 3D chip on the Xperia, any lag will probably be overtaken with updates and so. (my cousin's Touch Diamond was extremely slow unless he applied an update last month to it, why can't Se do the same?)
I don't get why there's such a huge argument about specs, it's STILL slow in panel mode, so what does it matter? As the person who has his said, it's not "dog slow", but it's noticeably slower than he expected. That tells me that it doesn't matter how much RAM it has, it could have 4 gigs, if it doesn't perform up to expectations it's not enough.
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I don't get why there's such a huge argument about specs, it's STILL slow in panel mode, so what does it matter? As the person who has his said, it's not "dog slow", but it's noticeably slower than he expected. That tells me that it doesn't matter how much RAM it has, it could have 4 gigs, if it doesn't perform up to expectations it's not enough.
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TF3D on Touch Diamond was damn slow and buggy at times, it sometimes still is slow in refreshing when you switch through the tabs. the Diamond's update resolved a lot of issues on TF3D performance... so is an update not possible by SE to improve their Panels further?
From the latest vids seen of Xperia, the panels are not slow. The only panel that has been noted to be slow is the Xperia Panel by SE which takes a second or two to refresh it's shortcuts... but overall there is no major difference neither is there any lag.
Furthermore, the guy said that it is slow SOMETIMES, not always.
msalmank said:
TF3D on Touch Diamond was damn slow and buggy at times, it sometimes still is slow in refreshing when you switch through the tabs. the Diamond's update resolved a lot of issues on TF3D performance... so is an update not possible by SE to improve their Panels further?
From the latest vids seen of Xperia, the panels are not slow. The only panel that has been noted to be slow is the Xperia Panel by SE which takes a second or two to refresh it's shortcuts... but overall there is no major difference neither is there any lag.
Furthermore, the guy said that it is slow SOMETIMES, not always.
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Ya know what? I give up. You're the definition of fanboy, anything bad that's said about this phone is wrong because you say it is and you've decided it will be amazing. I think it's a good phone, but what do numbers matter if you see the performance is slow "sometimes" anyways? 384, 256, you realize that doesn't mean a damn thing right? As for the panels not being slow, HA. I've seen plenty of videos since the release and they're noticeably laggy for certain panels. Can they improve it? Sure. Are we judging future improvements? Well, that depends, when the Diamond came out did people say "it has potential to be fast"? No, they said it's slow, call it how it is.
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Ya know what? I give up. You're the definition of fanboy, anything bad that's said about this phone is wrong because you say it is and you've decided it will be amazing. I think it's a good phone, but what do numbers matter if you see the performance is slow "sometimes" anyways? 384, 256, you realize that doesn't mean a damn thing right? As for the panels not being slow, HA. I've seen plenty of videos since the release and they're noticeably laggy for certain panels. Can they improve it? Sure. Are we judging future improvements? Well, that depends, when the Diamond came out did people say "it has potential to be fast"? No, they said it's slow, call it how it is.
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I don´t give a f**K about how much ram there is The one thing I care about are speed and stability and this phone is the best WM device ever that I have used and I have owned a bunch. The ordinary WM OS interface flies on the phone and it is totally untweaked. Ok the panels a bit slow sometimes, it takes some second to change from one to another. But I seldom uses them - just uses the ordinary Windows todayscreen with Mobileshell, uses the mediapanel and radiopanel sometimes but none of the other. And the battery seems very good, played with all day yesterday and still got 40% when arriving home, my Diamond was dead after the same use and even the Touch Pro was near death
Black93300ZX said:
Ya know what? I give up. You're the definition of fanboy, anything bad that's said about this phone is wrong because you say it is and you've decided it will be amazing. I think it's a good phone, but what do numbers matter if you see the performance is slow "sometimes" anyways? 384, 256, you realize that doesn't mean a damn thing right? As for the panels not being slow, HA. I've seen plenty of videos since the release and they're noticeably laggy for certain panels. Can they improve it? Sure. Are we judging future improvements? Well, that depends, when the Diamond came out did people say "it has potential to be fast"? No, they said it's slow, call it how it is.
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The reason i don't call it as i see it, is because no one has done a full fledge review yet, so i can't say for sure. And most videos i have seen so far have been fast. Yes panels are slow at times in switching or refreshing, but in the latest reviews, most of them are simply awesome.
Fanboy? i've only owned one SE set in my entire life and the best thing i liked about it was its headphones. I call this phone amazing, 'cos i see it to be one, not because i'm being a fan of a brand. I stand by my statement that Panels have more potential than TF3D, and i beleive that it is a huge concern that they said 384 MB and then it turns out to be 256 MB... but excuse me for being an optimist and assuming that they most likely have 128 MB dedicated to the 3D Chip. Sure we don't have any hard-proof that it has 128 MB dedicated RAM to the 3D chip, but we don't have any hard-proof otherwise either.
As for the "sometimes" slow performance, i only said that the guys who already have an Xperia in their hands are saying that it is slow in Panel switching but only at times. I agree that the Xperia Panel (SE default Panel) is slow, because i've seen it to be even in the latest videos, but as for the other panels, they are fast and smooth.
In short... to each their own opinion. But don't insult me by labelling me a fanboy making my opinion biased. To me, apart from the missing Accelerometer, Xperia seems to be the best Windows mobile device out there, and that has nothing to do with the Brand.
Take a look at these... and then tell me, are the panels not fast? Like i said, the Xperia X1 Panel is slow in refreshing its icons, but the others are fast and smooth. And not just the panels... switching from landscape to portrait and so on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnDosWiuY
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hjatGzL-QRA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfVYd0fwYQ
Another one: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms
This one though is stretched wide, but still worth looking at.
do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
I believe you're thinking of Swap - check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531988
Also don't forget using your SD card as swap partition will thrash it and could shorten the life of your SD card due to alot of writes.
If you really want to do this look for a program called 'swapper'.
oh ok thanks for the heads up !
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do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
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This is pretty much the function the swap file provides. There is a differentiation on a desktop because on a desktop files are stored on a hdd, whereas a portable device usually uses flash as its storage and swap.
And just to clarify, Vista readyboost is completely different to RAM or swap partitions.
Flash memory is limited to a certain number of writes, it is a very large number so in normal use you will probably never hit it. Reading however will not affect the lifetime of your flash memory.
Hard drives do not have any such limits.
Readyboost uses an SD/USB memory card/stick as a cache to quickly load frequently used files, this is because it's generally faster to read from flash memory than from the hard disk. Readyboost DOES NOT write very often, this is why it is suitable for use with flash memory.
Swap/Paging/Virtual memory is completely different, it is an area on a disk, a file on windows or a seperate partition on linux, where the operating system can dump some of the data that is in RAM if it runs out of space. If you have low RAM or are using high memory applications this will do alot of reading AND writing, therefore will reduce the lifetime of your flash memory. This is why swap partitions are normally on hard disks.
Hope this helps explain it!
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Hard drives do not have any such limits.
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Sure they do. Just considerably longer. Also, hard disks, for quite a long time now, have been capable of dynamically remapping around worn out sections and come with a decent chunk of unused space that is used for remapping. Hard disks also suffer from gradual demagnetization -- over time, the differing magnetic fields on the platter will interact with each other, causing data loss. You can generally expect a finite life time of any hard disk before large sections of the platter become unusable. I have noticed this particularly to be the case with winvista, which by default likes to catalog and recatalog your disk (they say for fast searching), but the end result is writing and rewriting of the same small portion of the disk, which causes it to wear out VERY quickly, though leaving the balance of the disk perfectly functional.
there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
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there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
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That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
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Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
I would definitely try it (I'm an Electrical Engineer, and solder at work all the time)
But i'd rather buy a 288MB chip from somewhere, rather than rip it from a different device.
I don't wanna throw away money.
if someone knows a supplier for those chips let me know and I'll try it and post screenshots
The last 2 smartphones I have owned there has been a discussion on upgrading the memory with huge threads and a few people trying. The end result has always been it is by far cheaper to get a new phone in another year which will have a faster processor, more memory, more storage etc...
Sure it can be done but with how fast technology changes it probably isn't worth it.
So is HTC HERO worth buying for more RAM and speed??
Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
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Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
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the htc magic isn't exactly the same. Some htc magic models (like google ion and tmobile mytouch) only have 192megs of RAM.
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
You are probably confusing internal FLASH with RAM. A class 6 uSD card is NOWHERE NEAR the speed of the ram. The RAM is orders of magnitude faster.
sonikamd said:
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
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Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
I thought there was a technical manual out for the G1 somewhere that listed parts... Not just the service manual which showed you how to open the device for repair. Could be worth running a decent google search for the motherboard and parts and then find a supplier for the RAM if you're game in trying to solder more on.
Thanks to the flexibility of Android as well, I'm pretty sure it would be able to read and make use of the extra RAM too.
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Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
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Last I heard it was going to Sprint instead possibly. I really hope it doesn't!
NeoBlade said:
Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
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...this is exactly what I thought...
With the recent rumors of the g1 not supporting donut due to its lack of memory... this mod is number 1 on my list... I plan to do this soon... any one else?
Hello! Is it possible to replace and upgrade your phone's RAM and solder aftermarket RAM in it?
Thanks!
ps. Sorry for bad English
I do not think you can, these phones aren't really made for upgrades.
I have heard mention of this before ... but the compact design of the phone and the ability to find (upgraded) ram that would work with the chipset (soldered or otherwise) seems nearly impossible to find to me.
However, if someone was successful in this I would certainly be interested in hearing how.
I think it is too hard or You cant ('x ' )
Seeing as how the RAM modules built into the phone mother board are BGAs (ball grid arrays) it is nearly impossible to replace them without highly specialized equiptment like a FineTech BGA rework machine and the proper heat profiles for the given parts. That said you are more than welcome to try some methods that are not proven but seem very funny to me. I believe there is a youtube video of a man desoldering a BGA using an oven.
Needless to say of you dont like the amount of RAM your device has you may just have to wait until you can get another device.
In especial cases you can UNLOCK the RAM, but it didn't happen as a lot of devs tried and a really small quantity(of devs not phones) reached this point and the only phone that I know is unlockable is the ZTE Blade.
As an embedded system with some [normally] tightly controlled schematics and firmware, this would be unlikely for you to acomplish, since you're asking the question to begin with.
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In especial cases you can UNLOCK the RAM, but it didn't happen as a lot of devs tried and a really small quantity(of devs not phones) reached this point and the only phone that I know is unlockable is the ZTE Blade.
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Not at all related to this, blade had 512mb of RAM in it, but it wasn't accessible- solved by a kernel change
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all smartphone devices have x amount of ram. say if you have 1gb ram in your phone you might only be able to use 868mb of it . it is becous your phone uses 128 mb for your gpu. it is plausible to make some of your gpu ram available as regular ram and that is done with an kernel mod. for my phone(lg optimus) 2x it is called a ram hack. it always comes with some faults depending on how much you take from the gpu. i have a 32mb shared ram hack so i cant reboot just have to turn the phone on and off
hey all
I guess it would be possible, however it might not so easy, I upgraded the ram of a wrt router some time ago: http://neophob.com/2006/01/wrt54g-ram-upgrade/
There's no chance of upgrading a mobile phone RAM .
I think the same,no way to upgrade ram on mobile phone
This is possible, but as others have said the complexity and difficulty to desolder a BGA ram chip and then put a new one on perfectly without messing anything up is incredibly high. And in addition, you have to find a ram chip that is compatible with your device (pin count and configuration, physical size, voltage, timings) and of a higher density, another difficult feat. So while it is technically possible, the practical answer is no it is not possible for anyone to do in the real world.
Hmm dont think you can.
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This is possible, but as others have said the complexity and difficulty to desolder a BGA ram chip and then put a new one on perfectly without messing anything up is incredibly high. And in addition, you have to find a ram chip that is compatible with your device (pin count and configuration, physical size, voltage, timings) and of a higher density, another difficult feat. So while it is technically possible, the practical answer is no it is not possible for anyone to do in the real world.
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ive seen it done, it can be done. its just really hard and nerve racking
Man bga chips are pain in a$$, unless u have sophisticated workstation.
A single short circuit/ loose contact can blow up ur entire CPU/motherboard.
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Hate to say it but no, in many of the SoC (System on a Chip) devices, the RAM is a soldered component of the main board. They are using RAM Modules rather then SODIMM Chips. It would be nice though
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Anyone have any ideas of where you could even start to look for ram that would work? I have a HTC Evo 4G. I wonder if its possible to find parts from a HTC Evo 3D and modify.
seems so
just from the CoE course, revers engng and tweaking hardware is a good start
it's possible, but if you think you'll save money that way, you're wrong.
lol