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T-Mobile MDA (Wizard) GPS

New to the forums, and betting this is a stupid Question, but I was wondering if there was anyway to tap into the GPS locater(built in for emergency calls such as 911) and use that for a GPS application, If the Wizard even has one built in, I would imagine that it does, but anways wondering if its possible, and if anyone has any incite into how to use this/turn it on?

There's no GPS in the wizard.

markgamber said:
There's no GPS in the wizard.
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Emergency services can locate your phone fairly accurately using triangulation from the gsm phone masts, using network data. There was a company selling a tracking service such as this for mobile users a while back, but I forget the details.

yeah ran into that service a while back, but the main way to get to it was to buy two handsets and pay for their cheap data service and put the other handset in someones car or whatever and use the 1st handset to track them...

I think that navizon.com has a program like that. theres a trial version for free. Doesnt google maps also use that technology?

hmm try google map 2.0 they show u wat ur location is without GPS
try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349188

I've tried both of these apps and both aren't worth a crap to me. They get my location in the right state, heck even the right city...almost. But I can't get it to be consistent let alone even half right.
I tried em both out and would like to know what I have been doing wrong since everyone else says that they are "great."
Thanks,
Ivan

It's already been said, but get Google Map 2.0...I installed it a few days ago, and it's not bad. I'm usually within 2000ft. of the calculated location.
Bad Karma said:
I've tried both of these apps and both aren't worth a crap to me. They get my location in the right state, heck even the right city...almost. But I can't get it to be consistent let alone even half right.
I tried em both out and would like to know what I have been doing wrong since everyone else says that they are "great."
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The only thing you did wrong was expect triangulation to work like you're watching CSI. In the real world, there is signal bounce, interference from trees, buildings, and other radio transmissions, and a whole host of other nameless error-creating problems. Radio triangulation is severely limited, but considering this sort of feature wasn't even available as a free application (much less being built into a mapping software as robust as GMaps) until VERY recently, it's pretty good, if you don't have GPS. You can buy a dongle to attach to your MDA, or you can suck it up, and deal with generally inaccurate location.

Trying it again...I thought that I had 2.0 but maybe not...I'll let you know either way how it comes out this time.
-Ivan

Ok much better...however it is still like 4 miles!!! off.
Does it update when in travel or how/when will it become more accurate??
Thanks agian,
Ivan

Google Maps 2 has "My location"
I dunno if you knew but Google Maps has been updated now and it offers My location - which is pretty close what GPS does. It gets your position through cellular towers and then it locates you within half a mile if I'm not mistaken...
Try it and c if it works 4 u

Myrddin Wyllt said:
It's already been said, but get Google Map 2.0...I installed it a few days ago, and it's not bad. I'm usually within 2000ft. of the calculated location.
The only thing you did wrong was expect triangulation to work like you're watching CSI. In the real world, there is signal bounce, interference from trees, buildings, and other radio transmissions, and a whole host of other nameless error-creating problems. Radio triangulation is severely limited, but considering this sort of feature wasn't even available as a free application (much less being built into a mapping software as robust as GMaps) until VERY recently, it's pretty good, if you don't have GPS. You can buy a dongle to attach to your MDA, or you can suck it up, and deal with generally inaccurate location.
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Actually google maps DOES NOT use triangulation..it will just show ur position based on a single cell tower and the signal strength being calculated by your phone..

So I tried my Google Maps 2.0 on the fly today...
It told me that it wouldn't work because I did not have a "data connection" and that I needed to contact my "service provider" to be able to utilize that function... (Or some crap like that)
What am I doing wrong now??
Thanks guys,
Ivan

TyTN has GPS.? it says so on htc site

I didnt think the tytn had gps..!
am I right or wrong ?
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=303
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=321

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181&page=38
CHECK HERE FOR THE PROCESS

yeah i have seen this thread just seems theres alot of
problems getting it working, just wonderd why htc are saying tytn has gps
and can be used with tomtom but no one can get it working

I don't think HTC is saying it's built-in, just that it's available, supposedly as an add-on.

"quote from HTC site"
Support: HTC TyTN
Q: Does the integrated GPS turn off?
A: From everything seen so far, the GPS is only on when you activate the GPS software. You can conserve battery power by turning off the GSM radio when its not needed
it states "integrated GPS"
maybe I have made a mix up but this is stating its intergrated on the tytn

Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.

That first link didn't load for me initially (some cookie not set I assume) so I didn't see it. The page certainly implies that the TyTN has integrated GPS, but it makes no sense for them to say "from everything seen so far" - if they made the product, shouldn't they know how it works?! This is very strange.
CmptrDan: I don't think it's an E911 related thing, because that cannot be used with regular GPS software AFAIK. If it's just the regular E911 TDOA technology, I don't think the handset even receives the location information; it is calculated by the cell towers and sent to the 911 operators. I must point out that I do not know any of this for certain.

CmptrDan said:
Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.
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They suggest turning the GSM radio off to conserve power when using GPS so they can't be referring to triangulation and stuff like that because without the GSM radio on, it wouldn't work.
Everything about that answer is weird.

I think they mean that if you're worried about GPS wasting power, you should turn the GSM radio off, which should (theoretically) kill the GPS too. That part actually makes sense...

Maybe they're just toying with us
Maybe someone over at HTC has noticed the efforts being made by some here at XDA-Dev.
So they just bung in some obscure reference to GPS just to mess with our heads

Somebody should call HTC Europe and ask about that. And I mean call, not email, because then they have to give SOME kind of answer.

there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????

cybertron said:
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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The links that you have written they report to gps external to the tytn.

i hope there are standards FAQ
It's logic that if you haven't GPS, or phone, or wifi, you don't ask nothing about.
Try to compare the ask possibilities of more devices...

cybertron said:
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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Sorry for being the party pooper here but these articles seem to be generic and not specific to any particular phone model. You can see the same articles if you select Qtek S200. I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.

abubasim said:
I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.
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True, but the work in this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1121407&postcount=387 shows that there is an NMEA compliant device trying to come out in the Hermes . The parent thread for that also has the exact same GSM and GPS chipsets listed as being in the Tytn and the Trinity.
Seems like they're really getting close to having it working, so keep your fingers crossed!

called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)

se4me said:
called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)
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Well, the Tytn uses the exact same chipset as the Trinity, and this chipset has a built-in GPS (which the Trinity does use successfully as evidenced in this forum). I'm sure HTC doesn't want the general public to know that it's disabled this feature, but I've seen the chip info on Qualcomm's website and it does in fact have it. I didn't see any mention of GPS in the FCC submission for the Hermes, so they never had any intention of letting us use it (here in the states at least).
I really have to wonder why HTC would want to disable it other than to try and widen its product base a bit since the Trinity would have less public interest if the only difference between it and Hermes was the keyboard.

I really hope so would be great to get this feature working, at the moment im using a bluetooth gps reciver but not always got it with me.

if htc says there is no gps, then there shouldn't be any gps in tytn.
don't get too atracted

Hey guys, XV6900 newb here trying to enable GPS...

I have been reading around and talking to friends about the Touch phone, and could use a little more assistance on enabling the GPS in my phone. Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Robbie

have you upgraded to windows mobile 6.1??
if so, then go to start > settings > Phone > Services tab > make sure location setting is highlighted, click get settings >then make sure it is set to on.
that will make sure that applications are allowed to use your gps signal.
then once you have done that,
open your gps, if you use google maps you have to click menu, use gps.

I have upgraded to the official verizion 6.1 rom. My question is, does gps use data? Is the gps a real gps that connects to satellites or is it some pseudo gps that approximates my location by triangulating distances between my phone and the nearest couple cell towers? I don't have a data plan and don't want an unpleasant suprise on my next bill.

jrb_82 said:
I have upgraded to the official verizion 6.1 rom. My question is, does gps use data? Is the gps a real gps that connects to satellites or is it some pseudo gps that approximates my location by triangulating distances between my phone and the nearest couple cell towers? I don't have a data plan and don't want an unpleasant suprise on my next bill.
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Yes, the Vogue has a real GPS antena. If you read through the forums you'll find verizon users have to do a bit of tweaking to get it working.
It can be confusing, because our phones also support "agps". This stands for assisted gps. AGPS uses cell phone tower triangulation to get a position.
GPS has inherent errors, in the aviation world there is a system called diffrential GPS. This uses a ground based system to correct the time diffrential error in the sattelites for greater accuracy. Without dgps you cannot use the gps inputs for a precision approach, only enroute, terminal and overlay. We use other systems such as vor/dme. This uses ground based "towers" to get a position using radial and distance information. This is very similiar to what agps does.

to answer the question does it use data?
the answer is yes.
it has to have a data connection in order to receive the gps data.
atleast thats my understanding, as a data connection does start and maintain during my gps sessions.

codybear said:
to answer the question does it use data?
the answer is yes.
it has to have a data connection in order to receive the gps data.
atleast thats my understanding, as a data connection does start and maintain during my gps sessions.
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No it shouldn't. The data connection you're seeing is probably initiated by the application that needs the internet for transferring maps like Google maps or MS Live search.
If you load up any independent GPS app that uses locally stored maps like TomTom or Garmin, then it shouldn't initiate any data connections.

thanks method man for correcting me.
i didn't think about it that way. haha.

Also a Newbie
I was wondering whether there was an app that I would need to install on my xv6900 to get the GPS working or do i need an external device like the TomTom Go series to get the GPS up and running.
Any help is much appreciated.
Thankyou

How to get GPS to work
acidreflux1 said:
I was wondering whether there was an app that I would need to install on my xv6900 to get the GPS working or do i need an external device like the TomTom Go series to get the GPS up and running.
Any help is much appreciated.
Thankyou
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The reason it dont work is because GPS tries to connect one way, i belive its phone as modem. and when you browse the internet, it tries to connect as Sprint PCS.
now i might be wrong in that, but just lisen.
in order to fix it you need to do a registry change. get a free program to edit the registry. like PHM RegEdit.
got it downloaded? installed? good. lets move on.
open it up
click on My Device
+HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
+Comm
+ConnMgr
+Providers
+{7C4B7A38-somethingsomethingsomething}
+Phone as Modem.
go into that setting, make sure that the key AlwaysOn is set to 0
THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART
go down a setting from phone as modem to
+SprintPCS
the key inside doesnt have to be set to Always On, but you can enable it if you want.
now close it up. count to 20 and do a restart on the phone
next time you try to run any GPS app it should work. use GoogleMaps though.
also while you are in here you can go into ConnectionSharing. a key above ConnMgr. and make it so you can use your phone as a modem for your laptop. the option was removed in the 6.1 update. let me know if you wish to know how.

6.1 ROM? and GPS
jrb_82 said:
I have upgraded to the official verizion 6.1 rom.
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I called Verizon regarding the WM 6.1 upgrade and they told me to go to Microsoft's website and download it. Microsoft says go to the carrier's website. I'm confused. I'm using a Verizon XV6900 running Windows Mobile 6 Professional. Are we talking the same thing? Is there a newer version (6.1) than 6 Professional? If so, where can I get it?
Also, I've read about enabling the internal GPS antenna, which appeals to me, but there is so much info with different instructions, talking about Sprint and Alltel, radios, etc. Is there a good (read: easy) set of instructions for this? Also, a list of the possible problems encountered (function, data loss, etc.)? I don't want to be a pain in the rear, but this is not my specialty. But I could really use the GPS capability with my work (real estate) w/o needing an exterior unit. I currently use a DeLorme bluetooth unit, but its a pain.
Thanks in advance, Jim.

jimonfly said:
I called Verizon regarding the WM 6.1 upgrade and they told me to go to Microsoft's website and download it. Microsoft says go to the carrier's website. I'm confused. I'm using a Verizon XV6900 running Windows Mobile 6 Professional. Are we talking the same thing? Is there a newer version (6.1) than 6 Professional? If so, where can I get it?
Also, I've read about enabling the internal GPS antenna, which appeals to me, but there is so much info with different instructions, talking about Sprint and Alltel, radios, etc. Is there a good (read: easy) set of instructions for this? Also, a list of the possible problems encountered (function, data loss, etc.)? I don't want to be a pain in the rear, but this is not my specialty. But I could really use the GPS capability with my work (real estate) w/o needing an exterior unit. I currently use a DeLorme bluetooth unit, but its a pain.
Thanks in advance, Jim.
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Here is the link to the offical WM6.1 ROM
http://www.pcdphones.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=95&cid=1&mid=302&carrier=Verizon Wireless
1. sync your phone with Outlook. You will loose everything on your phone when you flash the new ROM. Files on your memory card will be safe.
2. Unlock your phone with 2.31 & refer to the links below.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20370
http://www.atwistedweb.com/xv6900/index.html
3. connect your phone to your computer via activesync & run the ROM file you download. Simply follow the instructions.
4. Your phone will hard reset once the flash is complete. You will have to align the screen & such. The very last screen will ask you to tap the screen to begin using your device. You have to be ready to soft reset your phone as soon as you tap the screen. DO NOT LET THE CUSTOMIZATIONS RUN OR YOU WILL BE SCREWED FOR SURE.
5.Settings--->Phone--->Services Tab select location settings & then hit the get settings button. Make sure Location On is selected.
6. Download the Holus GPS viewer & install.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434408&highlight=holux+gps+viewer
post #3
7. Once the GPS viewer open hit the scan button. This will tell you what port & at what baud you GPS is at. It should be com 4 @ 4800.
8. Hit the open GPS button & hopefully you will get a lock.

phone keeps scanning for satellites
Is this normal? The GPS program ran and continues to search for satellites. Its alomst like it can't find any. I ran it just the way you listed. Anything else I can try?

If you are using Holux GPS viewer and you see red dots then be happy your GPS is working. Usually first lock takes longer. try it on an open place hopefully you will get a lock. The red dots you see on Holux are the satellites that your GPS is seeing, Once it gets a lock you will see blue dots and that's a fix. If it continues to flash red dots, I would try closing and opening port once, that wud restart the GPS.
Once you get a lock, use any 3rd party software like Garmin Mobile XT or Tomtom Navigator 7 if you don't have a data plan. If you have a dataplan then you can use goolemaps too.
Hope it helps..
bwolsen said:
Is this normal? The GPS program ran and continues to search for satellites. Its alomst like it can't find any. I ran it just the way you listed. Anything else I can try?
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MethodMan said:
No it shouldn't. The data connection you're seeing is probably initiated by the application that needs the internet for transferring maps like Google maps or MS Live search.
If you load up any independent GPS app that uses locally stored maps like TomTom or Garmin, then it shouldn't initiate any data connections.
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No that isn't true at all,
I have both Tomtom and Igo with map files on the sd card. The phone needs the internet to get the agps information otherwise the GPS programs can't get a lock. It doesn't use much adata at all as I was roaming in the states (from canada) for around 10 days , I used the gps everyday and was only charged under $3 for the whole 10 days.

jimonfly said:
I called Verizon regarding the WM 6.1 upgrade and they told me to go to Microsoft's website and download it. Microsoft says go to the carrier's website. I'm confused. I'm using a Verizon XV6900 running Windows Mobile 6 Professional. Are we talking the same thing? Is there a newer version (6.1) than 6 Professional? If so, where can I get it?
Also, I've read about enabling the internal GPS antenna, which appeals to me, but there is so much info with different instructions, talking about Sprint and Alltel, radios, etc. Is there a good (read: easy) set of instructions for this? Also, a list of the possible problems encountered (function, data loss, etc.)? I don't want to be a pain in the rear, but this is not my specialty. But I could really use the GPS capability with my work (real estate) w/o needing an exterior unit. I currently use a DeLorme bluetooth unit, but its a pain.
Thanks in advance, Jim.
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http://www.pcdphones.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=95&cid=1&mid=302&carrier=Verizon Wireless
Here is the update you are looking for, now.... For the love of the lord, DO NOT LET CUSTOMIZATION RUN!!!
Update your device as directed in the file, when the device updates and restarts, you will see a message that says something like "Running Customization in... 3,2,1 Seconds" or something like that, when you see that, stick the stylus in the hole at the bottom of the device and you will avoid a big pain in the @ss.
EDIT: Oops, i'm too late LOL, didn't refresh thepage while searching the update.

Can't get a lock
I just followed all the steps and installed GPS viewer and could not get a lock. I used the Verizon MR1 rom. Since that did not work I tried installing Valhalla GPS Server to see if that would help. No luck. Any Ideas?

mfpreach said:
No that isn't true at all,
I have both Tomtom and Igo with map files on the sd card. The phone needs the internet to get the agps information otherwise the GPS programs can't get a lock. It doesn't use much adata at all as I was roaming in the states (from canada) for around 10 days , I used the gps everyday and was only charged under $3 for the whole 10 days.
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I have data blocked on my phone and the GPS worked fine up until about a month ago. Whatever Verizon did blocked my GPS and I have not been able to get is working since. I can still run GPS viewer and see satellites but I can't get a fix on them.

I have everything working now. Thanks.

Just so I have it straight...
When I unlock the phone with 2.31, do I let customizations run? The ppcgeeks thread doesn't specify, but the atwistedweb thread says let them run. What does 2.31 do? Just unlock the phone so I can install the next ROM? Also, the ppc post talks about disabling USB while the other does not. Is there a preference?
When I install the new WM6.1 ROM, the atwistedweb post says to install it from the SD card, while the this thread says via USB. Once again, any preference?
I understand not to let the customizations run for this ROM and by putting the stylus in the bottom hole it resets the machine. After it comes up again, will the phone be (should be) upgraded and ready to use?
Lastly, if my phone gets "bricked" (I guess that means it turns into a battery powered paperweight), you guy can help me out, right?
Man, all of this just to get GPS and Verizon service. Still nervous! And Verizon won't shut my service off or stop tech support?
Thanks again. Trying to get all the info up front so I don't have to later. Jim

jimonfly said:
Just so I have it straight...
When I unlock the phone with 2.31, do I let customizations run? The ppcgeeks thread doesn't specify, but the atwistedweb thread says let them run. What does 2.31 do? Just unlock the phone so I can install the next ROM? Also, the ppc post talks about disabling USB while the other does not. Is there a preference?
When I install the new WM6.1 ROM, the atwistedweb post says to install it from the SD card, while the this thread says via USB. Once again, any preference?
I understand not to let the customizations run for this ROM and by putting the stylus in the bottom hole it resets the machine. After it comes up again, will the phone be (should be) upgraded and ready to use?
Lastly, if my phone gets "bricked" (I guess that means it turns into a battery powered paperweight), you guy can help me out, right?
Man, all of this just to get GPS and Verizon service. Still nervous! And Verizon won't shut my service off or stop tech support?
Thanks again. Trying to get all the info up front so I don't have to later. Jim
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Make sure you have backed up everything. First you need to unlock with the .40 unlocker. Then flash to the sprint pre-GPS ROM (This will downgrade your radio which is said to be dangerous but I have never heard of anyone hurting their phone while doing it correctly. This will also require you to call Verizon and get a new A-key. If they ask you what happened just tell them that you had to hard reset your device because of a bad program. Go through all of their steps and it will all get fixed. You have to call Verizon because you wont be able to make calls.) DO NOT LET CUSTOMIZATIONS RUN! You'll know they're about to run beacuse there will be a pop up saying they're going to run in 3 seconds (or something like that). As soon as you see that pop up stick your stylus in the reset hole. Then unlock with the 2.31 unlocker. After you use this unlocker you wont have to unlock again. Ok now you flash back to the Verizon MR1 ROM. DO NOT LET CUSTOMIZATIONS RUN! Once again you'll know they're about to run beacuse there will be a pop up saying they're going to run in 3 seconds (or something like that). Now after you do this your GPS should be working but I was never able to get it to work with the Verizon MR1 ROM. So I recommend using NSFFAN's 6.5 ROM. Now when I unlock and flash ROM's I don't disable the USB thing your talking about. I also flash everything through my computer (USB) and not through the SD card. There is a small chance you can brick your phone but if you do everything carefully and correctly it's a very very small chance. Just make sure you are doing everything right before moving on to each next step. If a phone is bricked I don't think it can be recovered but i'm not 100% sure. Lots of times when there are problems though it's not a bricked phone and just a glitch so if you have anything that doesn't seem right just come on here and ask for help. Verizon won't do anything with your service except fix your phone like I said earlier unless you tell them what your actually doing. I don't know what happens then and I don't want to find out.. What they don't know won't hurt them Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need any help.

No GPS sat lock

I've had the imagio for about 2 weeks not. and can't get the GPS to work. I've tried every reg edit I can't find. Tried useing GPSID.dll rather then GPSID_HTC.dll. I tried installing the GPSModDrivers. Ran QuickGPS. Done Hard resets and half a dozen flashes. Nothing. The only program that works in Verizon's VZ Nav. TomTom, Google maps, Bing never get any sat lock. I'd say it was my phone but my dad's and the floor model at our Verizon store all have the same problems. The guy at Verizon said it was an issue with a lot of them and HTC was working on an updated rom for it. But that could be crap. Any ideas?

You probably have a faulty unit - my GPS always locks pretty quickly.

Agreed. My GPS works flawlessly. I use it all the time with TrackMe.

Never had the first problem with the GPS , works great with Google and Bing maps. Yours Dad's phone must be defective , swap it out for a new one.

Just wondering...
Start/Settings/System/External GPS on Access tab, did you marked
"Manage GPS atomatically (recommended)
If you don't do this, have you tried setting the Com Port Manually? I have a felling that if VZ works that is just a configuration issue.
As a last resource, you could use a terminal program like Token2Shell Mobile (free 30 Trial) to read the Com port "Usually Com4" and 4800 Baud and check the NMEA string coming in, here is a example from mine.
$GPGGA,204838.8,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,1,08,1.20,19.00,M,-2.00,M,,*56
$GPRMC,204838.8,A,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,21.60,268.00,021109,,*27
$GPGLL,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,204838.8,A*22
$GPGSA,A,3,02,04,05,09,10,12,17,27,,,,,2.60,1.20,2.40*08
$GPGSV,3,1,10,12,45,313,30,04,55,028,25,10,31,174,24,02,69,293,21*72
$GPGSV,3,2,10,09,21,243,21,05,24,182,21,17,27,080,20,28,03,143,16*7F
$GPGSV,3,3,10,27,19,237,14,30,11,319,14*7B
The bold is the amount of Satellites, in this case 8
Hope this gave you some ideas, let us know if it works for you...

Sorry for the double post working from device.

Keep in mind that some of the things you may have installed to correct the issue may have negatively affect registry settings, sync your contacts and do a hard reset on the device. And do not set up VZ nav when you bring it up.
Then do this:
Install Google maps
Make Sure your Location Setting is "on" in the phone settings. If it is on then toggle it to "911" hit okay on upper right corner then go back into it and toggle it back on and hit okay.
Soft Reset and let boat up completely
Open Google Maps And make sure USE GPS is not checked.
Click "X" in top corner to let it run in the background
Run Quick GPS and select "Download"
Open Google Maps again and select "USE GPS" make sure you have a clear view of the sky and it should take less than one minute to lock
Sometimes a soft reset is required to get a gps lock.
Actually, It is a known issue with the particular gpsone chipset. It's an issue with location caching with agps, but this phone comes stock with agps disabled. However, I have not heard that many complaints on this forum, of course not everybody uses gps. If you soft reset before you try and use you shouldn't have issues. Trust me this is my third HTC touch series phone with this issue (diamond, touch pro, imagio). With my imagio it suddenly stopped having this issue, wierd. I used to use a program called HTC gps tool on my touch pro that would clear the cache for you without having to soft reset each time you might want to do some searching, not sure if it works with wvga screens.

bastukee said:
Just wondering...
Start/Settings/System/External GPS on Access tab, did you marked
"Manage GPS atomatically (recommended)
If you don't do this, have you tried setting the Com Port Manually? I have a felling that if VZ works that is just a configuration issue.
As a last resource, you could use a terminal program like Token2Shell Mobile (free 30 Trial) to read the Com port "Usually Com4" and 4800 Baud and check the NMEA string coming in, here is a example from mine.
$GPGGA,204838.8,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,1,08,1.20,19.00,M,-2.00,M,,*56
$GPRMC,204838.8,A,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,21.60,268.00,021109,,*27
$GPGLL,2949.9400,N,09532.6595,W,204838.8,A*22
$GPGSA,A,3,02,04,05,09,10,12,17,27,,,,,2.60,1.20,2.40*08
$GPGSV,3,1,10,12,45,313,30,04,55,028,25,10,31,174,24,02,69,293,21*72
$GPGSV,3,2,10,09,21,243,21,05,24,182,21,17,27,080,20,28,03,143,16*7F
$GPGSV,3,3,10,27,19,237,14,30,11,319,14*7B
The bold is the amount of Satellites, in this case 8
Hope this gave you some ideas, let us know if it works for you...
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I concur if it was a hardware issue VZ nav wouldn't work.

Sweeny Russ:
I being looking for a program to manage the GPS chipset, I use many kinds of GPS devices for work and it would be the first time I see a GPS device I can't program/manage. Gpsone chipset is the GPS on board device? Do you have a link for this HTC GPS program? I wonder if I can actually program with it...worth asking

One of my friends had the same problem as you mentioned. I asked him to do a hard reset and after a HR, the GPS has been working smoothly. Please try a HR!
I have no complain about my Imagio's GPS because it works much more than I expected. I can get 7-8 sattelites fixed in house, near the window where my old phone Touch HD could not fix any sattlelite.

I'm about to try bastukee suggestion. Giakhoa are you saying do a hard reset after a hard reset?

bastukee This is what I got, any ideas?
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,*31
$GPGLL,,,,,,A*11
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,50.00,50.00,50.00*35

bastukee said:
Sweeny Russ:
I being looking for a program to manage the GPS chipset, I use many kinds of GPS devices for work and it would be the first time I see a GPS device I can't program/manage. Gpsone chipset is the GPS on board device? Do you have a link for this HTC GPS program? I wonder if I can actually program with it...worth asking
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Let me know how this pans out. I haven't used this new version but it will allow you to play around with some setting my gps locks instantly so I'm not going to mess with it I just now it works on vga, you might need a screen rotate app to read all settings.
Original Post where I found it is here

Sweeny, Program works nice. it's an easier way to see the data then the program bastukee gave me. But sadly I don't know what half the options do and it still gives me the same date I posted in #12. Thoughts anyone?

That's exactly what you would get when satelites are not being seen, in fact you can't even see a Clock. Once I finish this 3 day trip to India and settle I will try that program and see how my settings look like and post screenies. "I'm a zombie atm"

Thanks for the help. I'm going crazy trying to get this to work.

While bastukee is on his trip, anyone else have any ideas?

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While bastukee is on his trip, anyone else have any ideas?
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be sure ur using com port 4

There's where I got the data that matched the data bastukee showed me. And the one in the settings.

I might be pointing out the obvious but, did you try this outside? After like a minute?

Optimal GPS settings for faster GPS lock on HD2? (Also using GarminXT)

Hi all,
I didnt want to start a new thread, but after searching the forums and google for a long time, i decided to bring it up
So ive had my HD2 for about 2 days now, and I recently installed GarminXT (I used to have it on my Nokia N82)
the problem i'm finding is that the GPS doesnt lock as fast as i thought it would be..
GarminXT has not been locking on (little over 5 minutes now)
I'm a noob to Windows Mobile and HTC so please bear with me!
1. How do i know A-GPS is working? Is it automatically enabled? (This wasnt the case for Nokia as you could manually turn off A-GPS and use strictly GPS signal). Under Location settings i have "Location Service Settings" = ON
and HTC Location Service = ON
2. Im still not 100% sure what QuickGPS does. I've read about it , but all i concluded was that it uses your data to get a faster GPS lock.
So i tried running QuickGPS and it updates no problem.
I open GarminXT and it doesnt lock on. Do i need to use this?
3. Can someone tell me if these are the optimal GPS settings? I kept searching around the forum but cant find one specific to the HD2.
So under "All Settings" > System > External GPS
Programs Tab > GPS Program Port = COM4
Hardware Tab > GPS Hardware Port = None > Baud rate = 4800
Access Tab > Managa GPS Auto = Checked
Are these settings correct? Or are there "tweaks" to it that I can change?
4. One last question:
Under GarminXT, i have the ability to choose 3 GPS options:
"Use Bluetooth GPS"
"Use GPS Intermediate Driver" = Checked
"Use Serial GPS" > Once selected, i get 4 other options to choose:
COM1: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM2: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM4: COM4:
COM9: 7500 COM port
Does anyone know if i should be checked on "Use GPS Intermediate Driver" or if i should be checking off "Serial GPS" > COM 4?
This is my first WinMo device with a data plan (I'm on EDGE speeds cause I'm in Canada), but I always had the impression AGPS would really help the lock times.
Anyone with help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Again, loving the new HD2
Thanks

For GarminXT, use intermediate driver.
For Google maps, use Com4, 4800 rate, that enables use of the compass.
Quick GPS should increase startup, and so far I had all fixes on HD2 under 30 seconds, and I did not change anything.
Normally GPS would download information about orbits of satellites from the satellites. That can take time, as it is one way communication and GPS can't ask satellite to send data again in case of error, it must wait untill the satellite starts sending them again by itself.
It is much faster to get that data via network .. and that is exactly what QuickGPS is for. Problem is that at least on my previous X1 there were many problems with it. The data from network was sometimes completely wrong, and you had to delete the file manually. That information is in temp\xtra.bin. Try to delete it and try again. QuickGPS does not test existence of the file, it will download new one in predefined time.
I'm still a bit confused about aGPS. I'm not sure what it is. Some people state it is the same thing as QuickGPS. Some say it is something to get quick basic fix based on BTS. But I haven't seen that in any application, except Google maps, and they seem to use their own technology and data for that.
But AFAIK, those 'location services' is generally Google's 'my location' exposed for other HTC applications.

I set it on max rate, do i do a mistake? I think that this is setting the speed or Im wrong?! Im connecting with sattelites below 15sec, with no other tweaks or quickgps...

^^
what's "max rate"?
btw, thanks for the replies
i'll look into deleting the cache file for QuickGPS and see if it does anything

Quick GPS allows you to download a weeks worth of GPS satellite position data (almanac data) at one time, helpful if for example you don't have a data plan - you can get your A-GPS data in one hit over WiFi. It helps speed lock time.
Not sure what is happening with yours, mine always locks in Garmin within 7-15 seconds, I have Quick GPS set to autoupdate, but otherwise no special tweaks or modifications where GPS is concerned.

Same here - in fact, the HD2's locking faster to GPS than my Touch HD ever did. I'm getting locks in the garage now whereas before I had none with my Touch HD. Haven't touched the default WM GPS settings or the Garmin one at all since I upgraded to the HD2.

GPs lover-Google map hater
Hi guys, firstly thanks for this thread as i too look for answer...and find some only here
i had the Diamond and now the HD2 and share the love.
Garmin maps are much more accurate and have even the smallest unpaved roads which Google map lacks. Google is so basic maps, i simply hate it...sorry Google...not to mention that it cost money to be online all the time
HD2 GPS confuse me. Sorry if I ask u basic staff but could not figure it up myself:
1. using the GPS w/google map, how u set simple setting, as: "north up" or ""track up" Route setting such as "faster time" or any other basic settings that I always had on my Garmin GPS including Garmin mobile XT?
2. What happend to voice navigation wiith google?
3. Reading your info, does it means that I can install Garmin mobile XT I got with Diamond on HD2 ?
4. Anybody know TomTom for HD2 (which I will get shotly from HTC?
I trust someone out here is smarter than me and will come to rescue

hey guys,
my HD2 is fine now, usually i just do a QuickGPS connect before opening Garmin XT and now it connects SUPER fast...usually under 10 seconds
Thanks for all the help!!

Google is not, and does not set out to be a full satellite navigation prpgram, so it doesn't have stuff such as 'North Up', 'Track Up' etc, nor does it have spoken directions.
For these you need a dedicated SatNav program like Garmin, TomTom, CoPilot or iGO8 which are all 'paid-for' applications.
TomTom will run fine but TomTom don't officially support it, meaning you can't download the correct vesion direct from their website. There are easy ways around this though!
With regard to some of the earlier posts- the HD2 can aquire a fix faster than any other device I've used (and I've used a lot!). I find QuickGPS makes very little difference, but as it uses only a small amaount of data I keep it updated.
QuickGPS and A-GPS are not the same thing, though there are quite a few different definitions of A-GPS. Genuine A-GPS is not used in UK, nor as far as I know anywhere else in Europe except by dedicated programs and platforms set up with the infrastructure (such as Apple, who use it to enhance the poor performance of the iPhone's GPS chip). It is used in the Far East, and works by enhancing your accuracy of positioning by using the data channels to send your current cell ID plus any other availble stuff like WiFi hotspot info, which is correlated to a database of locations, and sent back as an approximate position to the phone. Google Maps uses something like this if a GPS signal is not available- the 'Locate Me' feature will show you in a radius of around 1km.
The Baud rate makes no ostensible difference to the lock times or accuracy, as the data stream from the satellites is far lower than even the lowest baud rate. The NMEA default is 4800, and most software is happy to connect at that rate.

The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/

WOW, that was fast, thank you NeilM.
I will get Tomtom for free from HTC as it is included with Thai purchaded HD2.
Meanwhile I will try to load Garmin XT that I got with My Diamond at the time, let's see if the activation works...
As for Goole, well, I get 60 meter accuracy at the best, that make ones totaly lost in a city and for sure miss a turn, what a pity.
Thanks again for ever so fast reply.

When Google Maps is started it is finding your position throught the carrier's network and that is why it is not acurate at all. There is an option however, named "Use the GPS" in goolge maps and it becomes as acurate as any other navigation software It just have to engage an GPS lock as the others so do not blame google on this one Hence, you are not using the GPS when you get the inacurate positioning For the maps however you still have to be online But if you pay for your Garmin, iGo maps it would be that expensive and you can use it wherever you are ...

You absolutly right. i did use the "use gps" and it's accurate. The thing is that as heavy GPS user the lack of detailed info on google maps, and the inability to set the maps at your convinient (such as "track up" for example) it's nearly a secure way to go crazy while nevigating, specially off road...try to tilt your head to understand your position in real time when you turning and turning. Thanks for the gps tip.

I agree. Curent version of Google Maps is not suitable for navigation while driving indeed! It can help you get orientated sometimes or if you are looking for something big iGo and Garmin are in a whole new league of navigation sofware for now. However, the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM any time soon so we will have to stick to iGo, Garmin, TomTom and the others. I'm not using Google Maps for navigation at all by the way so It wouldn't be so difficult for me )

ragelord said:
the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM
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It's called google navigation, not google maps - and it seems to kill every GPS program available today (thank god).

hey guys,
on the same topic, but different nav software. i use iGO 8, can someone please tell me what the optimal setting are for port and baud rate? i did the auto-detect and the signal is a little on/off.
also... is there a way to get iGO 8 to use the HD2s compass? i like the stand-alone compass of the HD2, but i think it would be swell to be able to have iGO's compass function working aswell.
sorry if this has been discussed before, if there is another thread i should be reading... please direct me there.
thanks for all your help.
cheers.

conscept said:
The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
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Eh, if I'm not wrong, that's agps at work.
It'll find you with the nearest base station. then slowly try to triangulate you. Normally, you'll be in an area with only 1 base station, so there's not much triangulation going on.
When I'm in city, it's pretty accurate. I get my approx distance within a couple of seconds, wait another 10 - 20 secs to get gps fix.

A-Gps and other things
A-GPS is just one thing: Assisted GPS. It is a toggle-- when you toggle it on, in your phone's settings, you will get the locational assistance of the cell towers. That is the towers them selves, two or more towers and your phone triangulate to give an approximation of your location. GPS also uses triangulation (derived from simple trigonometry equations) to determine your location and is much more accurate. In fact it can be ever more accurate as your device locks onto more satellites. I have found that the best thing to do is to turn off A-GPS. I don't know what it is but Googlemaps seems to have a terrible time locking onto satellites on Windows Mobile. But I have found, especially on Android 1.6 and above you get very rapid locks so long as you wipe out the telenav program. I strongly suspect that Google is undermining Windows Mobile in favor of supporting their Android system. They have turn by turn for Android but not for Windows Mobile and it seems like they are also building it not to lock sats nearly as well. You can force it to get moving by pre opening the GPS or other methods just prior to running google maps.
I think everyone should write google and tell them to fully support Windows Mobile (Phone)... T-Mobile is just about set to come out with the HTC HD2 in about a week (March 24th) and I intend to get one. I am not happy that it doesn't have a physical keyboard cloned from the Touch Pro 2, but I expect to like most of the rest of it.
Turning Location on is another thing. You are henceforth allowing all applications to know and your location. this can be helpful but it can also be a potential privacy risk. Of course it's easy to turn off and on. You might want to read the fine print.

Actually, I have a more basic question. Is there a soft "switch" or software application to actually turn the GPS on? On my HD2 I have a few GPS apps and all of them report the GPS being on or "no GPS Device found". Even Goggle maps, if I siwtch to USE GPS mode, keeps endlessly waiting for a GPS signal and then nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks much

Gps htc hd2
In my experience with windows mobiles and internal gps, manage gps automatically is best and no ports should be assigned at all unless using bluetooth gps receiver! Also, sounds crazy too many but no every location on this big earth is withing available to public gps devices gps satelite paths (satelites going around the earth!) Make sure your outside the house or flat before thinking your gps ain't picking up. My hd2 is fast, my old mda3 was too and worked better inside but thats down to i was living in a different location at the time and at an higher altitude i would say. 1 of many other reasons could be that the military could be using the sat at the time which would render it unavail to public (offline)!