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How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
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bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.
Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.
language is czech
I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)
im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.
And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers
Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....
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that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.
I keep reading about issues with video playback on the Touch HD & I haven't noticed quite the same amount about the X1.
So is the X1 better at playing videos out of the box, even though it's HTC hardware as well?
No, it's not better. It's the same (like the Diamond, Touch Pro etc..it's all the same hardware)
MAK11 said:
No, it's not better. It's the same (like the Diamond, Touch Pro etc..it's all the same hardware)
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Wrong. HD is 10-20% better than Xperia at video playback.
Edit: Link: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6249
Nice to know that HD is better at video playback than SEXXI. Thanks for the link to that article, Tnyynt.
tnyynt said:
Wrong. HD is 10-20% better than Xperia at video playback.
Edit: Link: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6249
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Thanks for the link to that article, very useful.
Thought id post this for those who are looking for a divx player.
http://labs.divx.com/node/6211
CorePlayer still works faster on the Diamond.
How fast?
can i simply drop a regular ~700mb xvid/divx movie on the internal storage and play it in full screen(with dithering and smooth zooming enabled) without lag or frame dropping?
just wondering since i'm probably buying the diamond, and this could really be a deal breaker.
leonatan25 said:
CorePlayer still works faster on the Diamond.
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My friend I think you didn't try watching divx on Diamond...We can't watch divx even with core player. But this is possible on Omnia. So we are watching other programs ore codecs...
sorry but, have no problems watching dvix 700mb files on my diamond witch coreplayer
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My friend I think you didn't try watching divx on Diamond...We can't watch divx even with core player. But this is possible on Omnia. So we are watching other programs ore codecs...
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I'm sorry, but I have no problem watching 640x272 files on my Diamond with CP.
I have 2 diamonds and for a few days the omnia i900. I think nobody can see a full 700Mb movie on Diamond, without cuts. But on omnia is no problem at all. Omnia is much much faster than Diamond. I was thinking to buy one, but i will wait for the 480x800 version.
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I have 2 diamonds and for a few days the omnia i900. I think nobody can see a full 700Mb movie on Diamond, without cuts. But on omnia is no problem at all. Omnia is much much faster than Diamond. I was thinking to buy one, but i will wait for the 480x800 version.
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Omnia resolution screen is just 240 x 400 pixels
Diamond is real vga - 640 x 480 ...
so Omnia has less resolution with faster CPU ...
as result, u have BIG cut in the resolution with the Omnia..
Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)
I downloaded DivX player from divx labs and installed it.
After that, I started downloading movies from the following site:
http://moviesmobile.net/
and now, I have aproximatly 10 movies installed on my phone, that I can watch with rather good quality, (not crisp)
So I think it's very well doable, but you shouldn't try to cram a 700 mb movie trough there.
also, I used core player once and it starts showing some weird deformations when I run a 700 mb movie on my diamond
The speed stays nice and stable, but the movie itself looks like crap.
Hope this helps
Err, that site only has 320xXXX resolution, awful lol.
"700MB divx" don't mean anything.
You have to look the bitrate of the video. The diamond with the last Core Player can handle videos (almost perfectly) with a bitrate <~ 550 (and a resolution under the 640x)
No problems with video at all. Make sure to tailor your videos to the Diamonds resolution, I use DVD Catalyst to switch up resolution, then DL to my phone. Typical 1 1/2 hour movie is around 550 to 650MB, I use size to denote quality although even a 550MB movie looks awesome on my Diamond.
Mind you, this is using the new Telus ROM
Whatever Telus did with the ROM upgrade, it turbocharged my media capabilities
by 700 mb I ment all comon .avi files cam,TS,DVDrips and so on you can find. Had no problem whatsoever.
Videos with a higher bitrate than 600~700 will have frame drop on the diamond.
Its hard to see them, especially if the movie don't have many actions scenes.
With a movie ~90mn/700MB, you have generally a ~800KBp, so no problem really, some frame drop, but it seem perfect.
But if you try a ~20mn/400MB or ~40mn/700MB (midle quality TV Show for example), the bitrate is most higher than 1000KBp and the video its almost unviewable...
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Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)
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http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
I`m watching 700MB movies whitout problems, is very important what program was used when the movie was processed, there are some that hang some time. I watched movies that had 1500kb bitrate without problems, and the quality is great. Try the CorePlayer 1.3 is the best. I will always choose my Diamond over an Omnia .
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Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)
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I didn't know that HTC Diamond got an ATI chipset
Maybe it has a HD4850
blacriderv said:
I didn't know that HTC Diamond got an ATI chipset
Maybe it has a HD4850
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well the Diamond uses a Qualcomm cpu which has a embeded ATI Imageon. Programs like coremedia player uses this to improve the performance, but windows mobile comes without drivers. So bassically your diamond is running windows mobile like a failsafe version of windows xp.
check this link http://www.mobilewave.ro/news/Performanta-grafica-a-lui-HTC-Diamond-Touch-Pro-259.html, there are a few videos about the bad Diamond´s graphic perfomance. Devices with one, two or even 3 years have better perfomance than diamond
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thats very funny , a synthetic benchmark is very helpfull to see the true potencial of the device, but that doesn´t meen that you are using all of this power in a daily use. Just one example, try to play a video (H.264 at VGA (640×480) resolutions at 30 frames per second) in a diamond and then try a nokia n96. The nokia device plays the video smooth and without lag, the diamond video is laggy with frame lost, but ehy! you can run the benchmark on the diamond to feel better afther that.
htc performance post.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391
does htc hd has the ability to run 720p videos on it or not and if not is there any application to run 720p videos
nop, the HD can't play HD videos
lpaso said:
nop, the HD can't play HD videos
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How ironic. LOL
It doesn't seem logical to play 720p videos on the Touch HD anyway. First of all, the max resolution on device is 800x480 and secondly 720p videos take quite a bit of space.
If you really want clarity, focus on encoding the video at the screens native res or even a bit lower resolution. What's more important is the bitrate and the codec.
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How ironic. LOL
It doesn't seem logical to play 720p videos on the Touch HD anyway. First of all, the max resolution on device is 800x480 and secondly 720p videos take quite a bit of space.
If you really want clarity, focus on encoding the video at the screens native res or even a bit lower resolution. What's more important is the bitrate and the codec.
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but my old nokia device n95 8gb plays 720p videos but not in full screen
can we play mp4 videos on htc hd with high frame rate and without the need of video encoder [with program on device ] like nokia devices
don't you think the nokia software somehow converted it ?
i mean a device with a
240 x 320 res playing media in 1280_720 and then resizing it even more ?
would not make much sense as it would have to process that huge amount
of data from 1280_720 to resize it down
Rudegar said:
don't you think the nokia software somehow converted it ?
i mean a device with a
240 x 320 res playing media in 1280_720 and then resizing it even more ?
would not make much sense as it would have to process that huge amount
of data from 1280_720 to resize it down
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i don;t think it converts it but it played it in about quarter of the screen with very bad image but smoothly with normal frame rate but my htc run mp4 with very low frame rate i don;t know why
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nop, the HD can't play HD videos
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HD videos are also 720*480 (480p) videos. And Blackstone can play videos with resolution 800*480. But just mp4 format. So, if you ask me, HTC Hd can play HD videos 480p in mp4 format.
HTC HD, Xperia and maybe some newest HTC devices are only devices that can play HD videos.
You can also watch HD videos on youtube with inbuilt youtube player.
gregy74 said:
HD videos are also 720*480 (480p) videos. And Blackstone can play videos with resolution 800*480. But just mp4 format. So, if you ask me, HTC Hd can play HD videos 480p in mp4 format.
HTC HD, Xperia and maybe some newest HTC devices are only devices that can play HD videos.
You can also watch HD videos on youtube with inbuilt youtube player.
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but when i tried these mp4 files at vga resolution it runs at very low frame rate also it is said in the specifications that it can run up to vga at 30 frames per second what is the problem
remember that you cant use coreplayer to play mp4 files and expect a result
the htc albujm app is the best for mp4
i myself prefer 400x240 divx videos
I have Att Fuze(touch pro)
with Coreplayer where i can use the Pad to click forward on movie Videos
like a que forward while watching movies
Was wondering can we Set it on Volume control to forward Video ?
Cos will get a phone HD2
Please if anyone has Coreplayer on there phone
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lol, i nearly pissed myself. First of all 720p is 1280x720, secondly a nokia n97 hasnt got a chance in hell of running this video, as stated before it doesnt have the native screen res or the power to pump that many pixels. There are only one oe two phones that will process this resolution but none of them can show them in native resolution and so they are pointless anyway unless they have a HDMI tv out. ( a couple do).
The touch hd can barely play a DVD rip in 480p without losing frames for god sake.
If you want clear smooth video you have to re-encode at the native res of the device and use a code the phone can hardware accelerate, the touch HD can only accelerate MP4 codec and so you are limited to that.
Now the touch HD2... well I was going to get all exited about that until i found it had no TV or mini hdmi out, what a waste of [email protected] time that it. HTC dropped the ball again in my humble opinion.
Tegra is where it is at, bring on the phones, build it and I will come
Get the facts right bub...
HD videos are also 720*480 (480p) videos
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NOT! HD starts at 720p! 480p is not and never has been HD!
hello my friend the first ans is it depands on which format u've to play. coz avi format not suported by wmp. After all the best option is to convert videos in littlebit low resolution so it also can't flickring when you play it & feel better experience and laisure to watching videos
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NOT! HD starts at 720p! 480p is not and never has been HD!
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480p is hd, but the hd can not play videos at anywhere near enough bitrate to be classed as hd lol also even if you play a video at the same resolution as 480p its not 480p hd unless the image is scanned progressively, rather than in alternate fields.
So ive just been reading over on gsmarena here and it says that the new iPhone can now play 1080p video. Even though im anti iPhone I have to say that it is pretty impressive. But lead me to ask the question what is the maximum video type that our HD can play? Also do you think the next generation phone to take over from the Touch HD will be equipped with advanced technology?
The iphone screen res is lower tha hd's BUT it has a tv out (with component), but the hd doesn't, so video with a higher resolution than 800*480 is useless for it
Kingkurupt said:
The iphone screen res is lower tha hd's BUT it has a tv out (with component), but the hd doesn't, so video with a higher resolution than 800*480 is useless for it
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not if you want to play videos that dont need to be resized first..