Can anyone tell me how to check hotmail in G1 expect to check it by browser?
Someone told me to use the Moxier Mail.
But What is the Sever for hotmail??
And Why my Brower cannot go to www.hotmail.com in these days...
any one can help me figure out these problem???Thanks a lot
www.hotmail.com works fine for me.
Try google searching hotmail and clicking on the first result?
i dont know why.....
but i just wanna know....is there any application to use hotmail like gmail??of course...it is free...
Try m.msn.com in the browser.
What you can do is what i have done, and it is change your passport account settings.
You change your location to a European country [for me i chose france] ( on your control panel on msn or what not)
And then on your phone,
with the e-mail application, you input your email and password and then click manual setup instead of next.
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choose pop3
use these settings,
username: [email protected]
password: yourpassword
pop3 server: pop3.live.com (ssl always port 995)
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once you pass the pop3 section you will get to the smtp section:
username: [email protected]
password: yourpassword
smtp server: smtp.live.com (port 25 [tls or none, you should test both])
then you should be good.
When setting and using wifi at home, or work your smtp will not work, which means if you try sending e-mails via WiFi your message might not be sent, (most ISP's block their port 25 from usage [for spam reasons] and more money for them too)
so for that same reason while in smtp you might not be successful if you are not using the phone's web.
Hope this made sense. But it works.
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also you can use this anywhere on any device and computer which you want to set up pop3 access.
Just set it up in Email (the stock Android software). It gives a warning about Plus accounts, but it finalizes fine. I was on wifi when I set it up, I think it has issues when setting up on 3G/GPRS.
Everything works, incl. alerts and all..
try the steps i have posted here
they worked for me and others
How to Forward Hotmail to Gmail Without paying!
http://allshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4680
elmejor183 said:
What you can do is what i have done, and it is change your passport account settings.
You change your location to a European country [for me i chose france] ( on your control panel on msn or what not)
And then on your phone,
with the e-mail application, you input your email and password and then click manual setup instead of next.
-------
choose pop3
use these settings,
username: [email protected]
password: yourpassword
pop3 server: pop3.live.com (ssl always port 995)
----------
once you pass the pop3 section you will get to the smtp section:
username: [email protected]
password: yourpassword
smtp server: smtp.live.com (port 25 [tls or none, you should test both])
then you should be good.
When setting and using wifi at home, or work your smtp will not work, which means if you try sending e-mails via WiFi your message might not be sent, (most ISP's block their port 25 from usage [for spam reasons] and more money for them too)
so for that same reason while in smtp you might not be successful if you are not using the phone's web.
Hope this made sense. But it works.
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also you can use this anywhere on any device and computer which you want to set up pop3 access.
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This worked for me.
This is a great guide to get my Hotmail on my G1!..and it worked perfectly..
Is it completely free though? Even with the notifications?..
I hope so..this is making things A LOT easier that going to Hotmail in my browser..
i have to unlock my G1 if i want to change the location?
if not, how to change it?
jasoncook16 said:
i have to unlock my G1 if i want to change the location?
if not, how to change it?
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You need to change your location in hotmail, not on the g1.
Wowowowow.....It is running perfectly....Thank You soooooo much^ ^
haha...im still a new user for G1 even though i have bought it for half an year...T.T
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How do i set up my yahoo email manually on The Dudes build.
Go to email app and add your acct.
For manual setup:
Incoming Mail (POP3) Server: plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com (Use SSL, port: 995)
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server: plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com (Use SSL, port: 465, use authentication)
Account Name/Login Name: Your Yahoo! Mail ID (your email address without the "@yahoo.com")
Email Address: Your Yahoo! Mail address (e.g., [email protected])
Password: Your Yahoo! Mail password
JackD3ath said:
Go to email app and add your acct.
For manual setup:
Incoming Mail (POP3) Server: plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com (Use SSL, port: 995)
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server: plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com (Use SSL, port: 465, use authentication)
Account Name/Login Name: Your Yahoo! Mail ID (your email address without the "@yahoo.com")
Email Address: Your Yahoo! Mail address (e.g., [email protected])
Password: Your Yahoo! Mail password
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If you don't have yahoo plus you can set it up for the free version of yahoo mail with these:
Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server: imap.mail.yahoo.com
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server: smtp.mail.mobile.yahoo.com (use authentication)
Account Name/Login Name: Your Yahoo! Mail ID (your email address without the "@yahoo.com")
Email Address: Your Yahoo! Mail address (e.g., [email protected])
Password: Your Yahoo! Mail password
Im guess that maybe the client sends information about itself and yahoo is somehow rejecting it. Currently those settings dont work. Also smtp.mail.mobile.yahoo.com doesnt resolve, but smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com does.
these arent workin for me
Has anyone figured out why this only works via network and not WiFi?
nevermind.....
Islandboy3 said:
How do i set up my yahoo email manually on The Dudes build.
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Try this. It worked for my problem:
Slimgym20 said:
Is anyone else here having trouble setting up there yahoo account on the new jf 1.5 adp? It keeps coming up as wrong user and account. I don't have yahoo plus, but this worked just fine on jf rc33. If anyone knows what the put in the manual set up that would be cool if its even possible.
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From T-MO forums.
I had the same issue and a rep from T-Mobile G1 tech support sent me this. Hope it helps.
1. From the Home screen, tap the Application tab.
2. Tap Email.
3. Tap Next.
4. Enter the e-mail address and password.
5. Tap Manual Setup.
6. Tap OK when the 'Free Yahoo! Mail accounts only work over T-Mobile wireless networks. Yahoo! Mail Plus users should configure POP settings manually.' message appears.
7. Tap IMAP account.
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1. From Incoming server settings, set the following:
2. IMAP Server field: imap.mail.yahoo.com
* Port: 143 (by default)
* Security type: TLS (if available)
1.
Scroll down and select Next.
* The device searches for incoming server information.
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1. From Outgoing server settings, set the following:
2. SMTP Server field: smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com
* Port: 25
* Security type: TLS (if available)
1.
Scroll down and select Next.
* The device searches for outgoing server information.
2. Note that account options display and allow you to select how often to check for e-mail, set notifications, and check default setting account.
3. Enter the account a name.
4. Tap Done.
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I was able to get it to work, but for some reason, when I'm on the screen that lists all my email accounts, it says my yahoo email has 2 new emails, although there isn't any new emails to be read. Anybody else have this problem?
peliROJO said:
Try this. It worked for my problem:
From T-MO forums.
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worked for me
I got through the setup but the account is having issues sending out.
Also it can't load any of the emails in my current yahoo account.
edit: nevermind, turns out it is spelled yahoo, not yahho
AverageCanadian said:
I got through the setup but the account is having issues sending out.
Also it can't load any of the emails in my current yahoo account.
edit: nevermind, turns out it is spelled yahoo, not yahho
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Does this only work on T-Mobile? AT&T is SOL?
Chahk said:
Does this only work on T-Mobile? AT&T is SOL?
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I'm on Rogers, so my guess is it will work with any carrier.
It's giving me the "Username or password incorrect. ()" error on Incoming settings and "Username or password incorrect. (AUTH PLAIN failed (535 authentication failed (#5.7.0)))" error on Outgoing settings. I double-checked that my credentials are good by signing off and re-logging to Yahoo mail. Just to note that I don't have Yahoo Plus.
Edit: Nevermind, it works. Apparently this doesn't work over Wifi, only over the mobile network. I knew there was a reason I ditched Yahoo in favor of GMail all those years ago!
worked for me on my at&t htc tytn. wm6.1
I needed to set the port numbers.
smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com:25
Guys it keeps telling me username or password incorrect? i know they are correct?? i tried doing the manual setup and to no avail .. it used to work automatically before flashing to cm rom
EDIT seems that yahoo.com is down for me .. WTF owell will try tomorrow
Hi, I have atutorial in spanish with screenshots on My website if anyone is interested http://www.dgtallika.com/2009/07/como-usar-yahoo-mail-en-tu-g1-my-touch-hero/ and maybe for the non spanish speaking all images are in english so you can give it a try! Hope it helps
Try these settings:
Server Settings
Incoming Mail Server (POP3): pop.mail.yahoo.com
Use SSL, port: 995
Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP): smtp.mail.yahoo.com
Use SSL, port: 465, use authentication
Account Name/Username: [email protected]
Email address: [email protected]
Password: Your Yahoo! Mail password
Note: if it doesn't work, then log onto ur yahoo account, then change the regional settings to Yahoo! Asia
It works great for me on wifi
the same thing kept happening to me after i put the cm rom on my mytouch. heres what i did and it finally worked
input the sign in info and select manual setup
choose the imap account
username:[email protected]
password:******
imap server: imap.mail.yahoo.com
port:143
smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com
port:25
This did it for me
I did not choose ssl but added ":465" to the smtp server
so to recap
plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com - incoming
plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465 - outgoing
no ssl just authentication
Don
It seems that this is a little known fact that msn / Hotmail pop3 access can be gained using these settings.
I find that K9 Mail works better than the standard email app.
Incoming:
Username: [email protected]
Password: your password
POP server: pop3.live.com
Port: 995
Security type: SSL (always)
Outgoing:
SMTP server: smtp.live.com
Port: 25 / 587
Security type: TLS (always)
Username: [email protected]
Password: your password
When i first set an account up it brings back some blank mail, which i delete after that it works fine.
Regards,
Dubstar_04
Saved just in case
not sure if this still works but back in december you could get your existing hotmail.com account linked by changing your location to Australia and using default settings.
I just set it up as an account to import from on my GMail and its working great so far. Over 10k messages imported and now I have a decent junk mail filter and can see when I get an email in a timely fashion rather than having to remember to login to hotmail every once in a while.
i'm in US..it worked good. thanx for tip
Thread revival! I've put in the above settings but my phone doesn't seem to want to connect with the hotmail account. Yet its accepted the settings. I go to launch the mail app, the little refresh icon spins but no emails come up (even though I know I have unread emails waiting for me). Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
who_me said:
Thread revival! I've put in the above settings but my phone doesn't seem to want to connect with the hotmail account. Yet its accepted the settings. I go to launch the mail app, the little refresh icon spins but no emails come up (even though I know I have unread emails waiting for me). Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
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I'm actually having the same problem as of late. The settings used to work fine but recently, it refuses to download my new messages. Strange stuff. Any ideas?
Works perfect for me! thanks
Worked perfectly, Many thanks due
great
Fantastic worked :-D
Works better than official Hotmail app
Thanks a lot for posting it
Helped a lot!
Thanks!
n64_ali said:
I'm actually having the same problem as of late. The settings used to work fine but recently, it refuses to download my new messages. Strange stuff. Any ideas?
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Just had the same issue with my Hotmail.co.uk in K9, everything had been working up until the last couple of days, no changes had been made.
I had tried re-entering the fetching mail details, which it accepted, but still no mail was being fetched.
I managed to fix it by:
- From the account summary page, tap & hold on the account
- Choose 'Advanced'
- Choose 'Recreate data (last resort)'
NOTE: This will wipe any existing mails from the chosen K9 account & recreate the account profile.
All my emails then came flooding in
works!!! thanx
I have been trying to forward my hotmail emails to gmail without any success. Anyway I was reading that hotmail now offers pop3 which is something you had to pay for before. So I entered these settings into the HTC pop3 widget and what do you know it works
POP server: pop3.live.com (Port 995)
POP SSL required? Yes
User name: Your Windows Live ID, for example [email protected]
Password: The password you usually use to sign in to Hotmail or Windows Live
SMTP server: smtp.live.com (Port 25 or 587) -----(I used 587 as 25 didn't work)
Authentication required? Yes (this matches your POP username and password)
TLS/SSL required? Yes ----(Change to TLS on the second page)
Sorry if you peeps already new this but I’m sure there are some others who were having problems getting their hotmail account working.
I had a feeling that maybe it was really easy, but my account wouldn't automatically setup. Maybe because I had a @hotmail.co.uk account ????
I was wondering why there wasn't any info on any of the threads. I was originally concentrating on forwarding to gmail as that is what I did for a mates iphone last year but the free forwarding tick seems to have changed
Sign up for momail and all your problem will be solved. All mail will go to one account.
If Hotmail doesn't forward to gmail (hmm why would Microsoft, the owner of Hotmail, not allow this? ...) you could also set gmail to auto-download new messages via POP.
Yahoo POP3 transfer needs one to have a premium account (paid account) which many of us don't have. I couldn't find much information on the forum so I decided to post the setting in case someone else is looking for similar details. Sorry if this has been previously discussed.
1) From Application menu click on Email
2) Click on left button(settings) and click Add account
3) After you are done putting you information for username and password in, click on Manual Setup
4) Click on IMAP
5) For IMAP server: imap.mail.yahoo.com - Port: 143 leave the rest alone
6) For SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com - Port 587 leave the rest as they are.
7) Follow the steps per your preferences and you are done!
I hope I could help a bit.
Yahoo.com does that, Yahoo.(other country) will have pop3 access automatically.
I'm trying to configure my hotmail acount with no sucess...anybody knows how to do it please?
rogeriok said:
I'm trying to configure my hotmail acount with no sucess...anybody knows how to do it please?
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See if the below setting can help:
POP server: pop3.live.com (Port 995)
POP SSL required? Yes
User name: Your Windows Live ID, for example [email protected]
Password: The password you usually use to sign in to Hotmail or Windows Live
SMTP server: smtp.live.com (Port 25)
Authentication required? Yes (this matches your POP username and password)
TLS/SSL required? Yes
Nimche said:
See if the below setting can help:
POP server: pop3.live.com (Port 995)
POP SSL required? Yes
User name: Your Windows Live ID, for example [email protected]
Password: The password you usually use to sign in to Hotmail or Windows Live
SMTP server: smtp.live.com (Port 25)
Authentication required? Yes (this matches your POP username and password)
TLS/SSL required? Yes
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Thanks for reply,but this setings are not working"can't find this server"
Nimche said:
Yahoo POP3 transfer needs one to have a premium account (paid account) which many of us don't have. I couldn't find much information on the forum so I decided to post the setting in case someone else is looking for similar details. Sorry if this has been previously discussed.
1) From Application menu click on Email
2) Click on left button(settings) and click Add account
3) After you are done putting you information for username and password in, click on Manual Setup
4) Click on IMAP
5) For IMAP server: imap.mail.yahoo.com - Port: 143 leave the rest alone
6) For SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com - Port 587 leave the rest as they are.
7) Follow the steps per your preferences and you are done!
I hope I could help a bit.
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is this push mail or pull mail?
Thank you so much omg i finally got rocketmail working
Setings for hotmail
I found in google the setings for hotmail acount and works to me
incoming settings
protocol =pop
pop server = pop3.live.com
security type =ssl
server port =995
outgoing settings
login required =ticked
username =hotmail addy ie [email protected]
smtp server=smtp.live.com
security type=tls
server port=587
Account name =Hotmail
Your Name =what ever you want it to display
Nimche said:
Yahoo POP3 transfer needs one to have a premium account (paid account) which many of us don't have. I couldn't find much information on the forum so I decided to post the setting in case someone else is looking for similar details. Sorry if this has been previously discussed.
1) From Application menu click on Email
2) Click on left button(settings) and click Add account
3) After you are done putting you information for username and password in, click on Manual Setup
4) Click on IMAP
5) For IMAP server: imap.mail.yahoo.com - Port: 143 leave the rest alone
6) For SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com - Port 587 leave the rest as they are.
7) Follow the steps per your preferences and you are done!
I hope I could help a bit.
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Doesn't work on my x10...
I got the same message: "incorrect user name or password" after I put the IMAP server settings ang click Next
Any suggestions?
Hi, I managed to sort out my yahoo mail. It is however for *@yahoo.co.uk
Note that I'm on the regular Yahoo mail, not Plus or anything paid. However I am on the new yahoo interface as opposed to classic.
1. Log into your yahoo mail and click on "options" on the far right area of your screen
2. Select "More Options..."
3. Click on "Pop and Forwarding" on the left menu
4. Ensure "Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed" is selected.
Ok now onto your phone settings (change yahoo.co.uk to *.com where applicable).
Incoming Mail (POP3) Server: pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk
Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server: smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk (use authentication, optionally use port 587)
Account Name/Login Name: Your Yahoo! Mail ID (your email address without the "@yahoo.com")
Email Address: Your Yahoo! Mail address (e.g. [email protected])
Password: Your Yahoo! Mail password
Hope it helps
Has anyone had success trying to set up their outlook account with the stock email app ? How did you do it
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By outlook do you mean exchange account? If so you need to open outlook and edit accounts. Copy settings into the mail account setup fields on N4. Its pretty straight forward.
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marnel47 said:
By outlook do you mean exchange account? If so you need to open outlook and edit accounts. Copy settings into the mail account setup fields on N4. Its pretty straight forward.
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By outlook i mean the "new" service microsoft rolled out as the sucessor of hotmail, I dont know if outlook its exchange, it should be since microsoft made it right? or maybe imap?
In the email app, enter your username/password, select exchange, and then on your comp log into your outlook account, then on the top right corner select options, then select 'see all options.'
Once you're there select 'Settings for POP, IMAP, and SMTP access' a little window should pop up.
Back on the phone. What you do is enter your email again where it says username and password.
On the server blank field copy the server under 'pop setting' in the little window.
Then hit next and follow the directions after.
Shouldn't even need to do that. Once you type in your email address it should auto populate just like if you do an @live.com or @Hotmail.com. That's the autodiscover service on an Exchange server which is usually at https://autodiscover.outlook.com (or.live.com or whatever).
I fill out with my outlook address , then select exchange, and on the next screen it auto populates but when i press next it says username or password incorrect, and i'm sure its the right password :/
OmgitzFire said:
In the email app, enter your username/password, select exchange, and then on your comp log into your outlook account, then on the top right corner select options, then select 'see all options.'
Once you're there select 'Settings for POP, IMAP, and SMTP access' a little window should pop up.
Back on the phone. What you do is enter your email again where it says username and password.
On the server blank field copy the server under 'pop setting' in the little window.
Then hit next and follow the directions after.
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You mean in outlook choose more mail settings ? once im there there's no "Settings for POP, IMAP, and SMTP access" , are you talking about the microsoft outlook app? im talking about the outlook website, i dont use the app on my computer
I think what you are looking for is here:
http://help.outlook.com/en-gb/140/bb896613.aspx
I only put exchange server and on server field I had to manually add mail. (at the beginning)
calanizzle said:
I only put exchange server and on server field I had to manually add mail. (at the beginning)
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Don't manually click manual setup, just click next and the email client will run off to the autodiscovery server and get the proper settings.
I haven't tested it with Outlook.com emails but with Live.com it works just fine.
if you do manual it should be:
\[email protected]
password
the server can be a few different ones but generally m.hotmail.com
SSL should be enabled.
I put my username / password then exchange server, then it goes:
domain/user
server
(here I added at the beginning "mail.")
Chad_Petree said:
I fill out with my outlook address , then select exchange, and on the next screen it auto populates but when i press next it says username or password incorrect, and i'm sure its the right password :/
You mean in outlook choose more mail settings ? once im there there's no "Settings for POP, IMAP, and SMTP access" , are you talking about the microsoft outlook app? im talking about the outlook website, i dont use the app on my computer
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I'm talking about the website, did you select 'options' then 'see all options' ?
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just do add account, fill in your account and password then click next. don't check manual.. it'll sort itself out. I did that just now with my hotmail account and it found the settings itself and just went ahead and set it up. don't choose exchange or corporate. just choose new account.
pahardie said:
just do add account, fill in your account and password then click next. don't check manual.. it'll sort itself out. I did that just now with my hotmail account and it found the settings itself and just went ahead and set it up. don't choose exchange or corporate. just choose new account.
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Maybe it works automatically for hotmail but not for outlook. trust me im not choosing manual settings i just fill out my mail and password and press continue and then it asks me which type of account it is :crying:
OmgitzFire said:
I'm talking about the website, did you select 'options' then 'see all options' ?
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There's no "options" just the settings icon and then when i press it, all that resembles see all options is "more mail settings" and inside "more mail settings" there's no "'Settings for POP, IMAP, and SMTP access'" option
hmm that is weird. I just found this page: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/outlook-to-go#1TC=t1 and under android it has either.. get the hotmail app or visit the website. that doesn't seem to suggest there are some settings does it? weird. I hope it is supported natively as that sucks if not.
not a heck of a lot of help from me on this sorry, but good luck.. sure there must be a work around
I set it up the following way by manual:
Domain\Username: \[email protected]
Password: obvious
Server: col-m.hotmail.com
Use secure connection (SSL): Mark
Accept all SSL certificates: Not marked
Client certificate: None
Port: 443
For an MSN account which I used with my own domain (not live.com, hotmail.com or outlook.com email)
Here I have as server: bay-m.hotmail.com
Hope it helps
tom1807 said:
I set it up the following way by manual:
Domain\Username: \[email protected]
Password: obvious
Server: col-m.hotmail.com
Use secure connection (SSL): Mark
Accept all SSL certificates: Not marked
Client certificate: None
Port: 443
For an MSN account which I used with my own domain (not live.com, hotmail.com or outlook.com email)
Here I have as server: bay-m.hotmail.com
Hope it helps
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You could also try changing the server adress to "snt-m.hotmail.com". Worked for me.
tom1807 said:
I set it up the following way by manual:
Domain\Username: \[email protected]
Password: obvious
Server: col-m.hotmail.com
Use secure connection (SSL): Mark
Accept all SSL certificates: Not marked
Client certificate: None
Port: 443
For an MSN account which I used with my own domain (not live.com, hotmail.com or outlook.com email)
Here I have as server: bay-m.hotmail.com
Hope it helps
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Thank you ! It worked this way
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tom1807 said:
I set it up the following way by manual:
Domain\Username: \[email protected]
Password: obvious
Server: col-m.hotmail.com
Use secure connection (SSL): Mark
Accept all SSL certificates: Not marked
Client certificate: None
Port: 443
For an MSN account which I used with my own domain (not live.com, hotmail.com or outlook.com email)
Here I have as server: bay-m.hotmail.com
Hope it helps
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Thanks, this worked for me also.
Update: It worked on my Motorola razr xt910, running Android 4.0.4, but the setup isn't working on my Cube U9GT2 tablet running Android 4.1.1. I tried most everything else suggested here on the Cube, and nothing has worked so far. I don't know how significant the ICS vs JB is, but the problem also could be related to the obscure Renegade rom I am running on the Cube tablet.
These also work fine with an outlook.com address...
Incoming settings:
username: emailaddress @ outlook . com
password: your password
pop3 server: pop3.live.com
port: 995
security type: SSL/TLS
Delete email from server: never
Outgoing Settings:
SMTP Server: smtp.live.com
Port: 587
Security Type: STARTTLS
Require Sign-in: YES
Username: same as username above
Password: same as above
Why has no one answered the question directly yet? As from what I've played with, I can't figure how to make it the default mail app on your phone. It would be nice to be able to use one, easy mail service for ALL your emails rather than the stock email service, gmail, ymail app, and be limited in those apps. I know what you're saying, but it doesn't sound like anyone else in the comment thread does.