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So i got push email... Now my data bill is 200$... For the second time.

hey,
i installed push email (port88) on my phone, i have had it for two months (awesome service).
The only problem is my databill is 200$... for the second time. I have a 1 meg plan. i dont receive many emails on this phone.
I apparently went over 5 megabyets. My phone doesn't go over 0.05 KB a message as i have the default option to restrict it from downloading anymore.
I probably received 80 emails in a month (thats exagerating it). If we multiply 80x0.05 we get 4. Thats 4 Kilobytes used. I also send about 6 emails a month. That's not even 10kilobytes a month.
I never use my browser and it doesn't browse to sites itself (due to being in my pocket.) And the only data i use is for my email.
Does anyone have any ideas to what can be happening?

your phone could be autoconnecting to gprs/edge. and the constant connection could be sending kb back and forth without your knowledge.

hiimcliff is right on..
The way direct push works is that it maintains an HTTP(S) connection back to the Exchange Server.. Even though you might not be receiving emails, the phone will still be sending data to maintain the connection. That's the likely cause of it.

I asked my provider (fido) if i maintain a conenction, will i be charged, even if i keep disconnecting and reconnecting? I had the guy ask his tech
he replied, i can connect/disconnect as many times as i liked. Aslong as i didn't browse on anything, send receive data, i would be fine. Connecting doesn't use any of my data.

imasri29 said:
I asked my provider (fido) if i maintain a conenction, will i be charged, even if i keep disconnecting and reconnecting? I had the guy ask his tech
he replied, i can connect/disconnect as many times as i liked. Aslong as i didn't browse on anything, send receive data, i would be fine. Connecting doesn't use any of my data.
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thats crap. dont listen to that. there is no way for them to determine, email kb's from connect/disconnect kb's. makes no sense imo.

imasri29 said:
I asked my provider (fido) if i maintain a conenction, will i be charged, even if i keep disconnecting and reconnecting? I had the guy ask his tech
he replied, i can connect/disconnect as many times as i liked. Aslong as i didn't browse on anything, send receive data, i would be fine. Connecting doesn't use any of my data.
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connecting to GPRS may not use data (Questionable) but the constant traffic back and forth when your device talks to exchange definatly will.
I have push email on 2 different wizards and my bill shows a day to day readout of my usage which is never less than 7 megs a day. I generaly use about 2gb of data per month on each device sometimes as much as 4gb. The high monthly usage is attributed mostly to flashing my phone many times and resyncing my whole exchange account over active sync as well as teathering my laptop to the pda and surfing around.
If you use the push email you should just get unlimited data. $35 a month gets me unlimited data here in the states (nationwide no roaming) I think that is a pretty good deal. That is for each device so $70 a month on my cell bill is for data.
WELL WELL WELL.
So i got curious about this situtation about half way through posting this message, soo.... I called up FIDO and after navigating through their auto attendant I got some french canadian guy who told me a little secret after much poking and proding. Are you ready? This dude said that if I call in and say that I have a "HipTop" (equivalant to tmobile sidekick) that I could get unlimited data for that for $20 per month. He said they don't sell the HipTop anymore buy that if I had one (or said I had one) that I would get $20 a month data all day long. WOOT!
ok Canadians go forth and get your data plan.

be careful with that. providers are sometimes know to revert your phone back to the original and that could result in changing your plan back to a per/kb plan which can cost you loads of money.
computer9cowboy said:
connecting to GPRS may not use data (Questionable) but the constant traffic back and forth when your device talks to exchange definatly will.
I have push email on 2 different wizards and my bill shows a day to day readout of my usage which is never less than 7 megs a day. I generaly use about 2gb of data per month on each device sometimes as much as 4gb. The high monthly usage is attributed mostly to flashing my phone many times and resyncing my whole exchange account over active sync as well as teathering my laptop to the pda and surfing around.
If you use the push email you should just get unlimited data. $35 a month gets me unlimited data here in the states (nationwide no roaming) I think that is a pretty good deal. That is for each device so $70 a month on my cell bill is for data.
WELL WELL WELL.
So i got curious about this situtation about half way through posting this message, soo.... I called up FIDO and after navigating through their auto attendant I got some french canadian guy who told me a little secret after much poking and proding. Are you ready? This dude said that if I call in and say that I have a "HipTop" (equivalant to tmobile sidekick) that I could get unlimited data for that for $20 per month. He said they don't sell the HipTop anymore buy that if I had one (or said I had one) that I would get $20 a month data all day long. WOOT!
ok Canadians go forth and get your data plan.
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computer9cowboy said:
connecting to GPRS may not use data (Questionable) but the constant traffic back and forth when your device talks to exchange definatly will.
I have push email on 2 different wizards and my bill shows a day to day readout of my usage which is never less than 7 megs a day. I generaly use about 2gb of data per month on each device sometimes as much as 4gb. The high monthly usage is attributed mostly to flashing my phone many times and resyncing my whole exchange account over active sync as well as teathering my laptop to the pda and surfing around.
If you use the push email you should just get unlimited data. $35 a month gets me unlimited data here in the states (nationwide no roaming) I think that is a pretty good deal. That is for each device so $70 a month on my cell bill is for data.
WELL WELL WELL.
So i got curious about this situtation about half way through posting this message, soo.... I called up FIDO and after navigating through their auto attendant I got some french canadian guy who told me a little secret after much poking and proding. Are you ready? This dude said that if I call in and say that I have a "HipTop" (equivalant to tmobile sidekick) that I could get unlimited data for that for $20 per month. He said they don't sell the HipTop anymore buy that if I had one (or said I had one) that I would get $20 a month data all day long. WOOT!
ok Canadians go forth and get your data plan.
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lol i was aware of that secret actually but i didn't want to pay 20 dollars as i didnt' think i'd use unlimited. GRR i got screwed.
One question, i have my phone set to manually synch. So it only synchs upon request but my emails come in.
I still dont udnerstand how i used so much data if i dont synch.

hiimcliff said:
thats crap. dont listen to that. there is no way for them to determine, email kb's from connect/disconnect kb's. makes no sense imo.
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I'm sorry, can you please rephrase taht?

imasri29 said:
lol i was aware of that secret actually but i didn't want to pay 20 dollars as i didnt' think i'd use unlimited. GRR i got screwed.
One question, i have my phone set to manually synch. So it only synchs upon request but my emails come in.
I still dont udnerstand how i used so much data if i dont synch.
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well if you had sucked it up and paid the $20 a month you would have saved money in the end.
$20 a month is a freakin steal man. TAKE IT. Then you can wire up your push email to download all your atachments and full messages, you can hook up to your laptop and let loose.
I love my unlimited data plan. I used to pay $75 a month for it. I would gladly pay that again on each device. For me I will pay whatever it takes to make my life better easier faster.
I can get up from my desk and go anywhere I please and stay connected to work, this is huge for me. Clients call my office get routed to my cell and I can look over emails they have sent. Then if need be i can pull out the laptop and get online to fix problems or whatever.
Data in my pocket, is kick ass.

forced to pay data plan?

question, if i take my phone from ebay or from other place , tmob can forcing me to pay the data plan ? 24 or 34 dolares?
because they detected what kind of phone i had connected and in mytmobil website they change my services. BUT i dont take my g1 from tmob. assuming that i want to use my g1 only with wifi and not with data plan.

satru said:
because they detected what kind of phone i had connected and in mytmobil website they change my services. BUT i dont take my g1 from tmob. assuming that i want to use my g1 only with wifi and not with data plan.
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I don't believe they can alter your pre-existing plan without your permission, especially if it is to add services which will raise the price.

KyleK29 said:
I don't believe they can alter your pre-existing plan without your permission, especially if it is to add services which will raise the price.
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I agree... however they will probably make it so you can't use the g1 unless you have that plan. Similar to the blackberry.

My new plan went into effect yesterday. Today I went in and removed the $2.99 300 message plan I had (won't be using 700 messages a month) and it also removed my G1 data plan at the same time... even though it said it was a required plan, and wouldn't let me deselect it. Once my data stops working I might experiment to see what I can do to get it to work. Good thing I have wifi access at the places I spent the most time...

you did taht from tmob website correct??
goodwinm said:
My new plan went into effect yesterday. Today I went in and removed the $2.99 300 message plan I had (won't be using 700 messages a month) and it also removed my G1 data plan at the same time... even though it said it was a required plan, and wouldn't let me deselect it. Once my data stops working I might experiment to see what I can do to get it to work. Good thing I have wifi access at the places I spent the most time...
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satru said:
you did taht from tmob website correct??
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Yes, from the website.

G1 Owners on TMO - Check your MyTmo

All G1 owners... Take a moment to go to http://my.t-mobile.com and login to your account.
The G1 Data plan should have been added to your account effective yesterday. It should have wiped any other messaging and data packages from your services, have a look to insure that this is the case.
For many of us, a data or txt plan has been left on and while T-Mo will most graciously take the charge off, you need to check first.
Do this if your data plan disappears while you are changing things.
satru said:
if you change the model of cellular in your tmobil website, the plan option change to and you can select that you want, the plan option depend of the kind of phone that you have in the up right corner.
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My 300 message thing was still on. I went to remove it and my G1 data plan went away as well. I might now be able to add the old data plan back now but the 300 message addon for $2.99 isn't available anymore, I'd need to add the $4.99 message addon for messages anyways... may as wel try to get the G1 data plan back on. At least I have wifi for now til I get it straightened out...

if you change the model of cellular in your tmobil website, the plan option change too and you can select that you want, the plan option depend of the kind of phone that you have in the up right corner.
goodwinm said:
My 300 message thing was still on. I went to remove it and my G1 data plan went away as well. I might now be able to add the old data plan back now but the 300 message addon for $2.99 isn't available anymore, I'd need to add the $4.99 message addon for messages anyways... may as wel try to get the G1 data plan back on. At least I have wifi for now til I get it straightened out...
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Im still on Employee Unlimited Internet Data w/ VPN.

I did get the "your account changes have taken effect" text message this morning, and I still have data service. I'll try to see how long that will last...

Yep I got the txt yesterday, my stuff was still wrong though.
I have to admit though, billing might be off but my service was not interupted. Yay tmo.

I called T-Mobile and they said the G-1 data plan is free until Nov 10th, thats when you start paying for it. Was told this by two customer service folk.

So far the extent of my data service is... I am able to access anything google, but anything beyond, as far as websites, no... and apps that access anything else, no. I do seem to be able to access sites by ssh though. As if everything was firewalled out, but they forgot to firewall port 22.

you will have to pay your service after used it, not before, nothing is free.
donutman said:
I called T-Mobile and they said the G-1 data plan is free until Nov 10th, thats when you start paying for it. Was told this by two customer service folk.
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As of this day I still have my original plan of 1000 text messages, no data plan.

Proxy internet for HD2 on T-mobile?

My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick

When the HD2 launches it will have a required data pack just like all other windows, blackberry's and android devices currently do. If a discount is recieved on the device then the data pack (minimum $25/month) is required, paying full retail price is the only way not to have it. T-zones is no longer offered by itself for $5.99/month unless your plan is a grandfathered plan that supports it but would only be able to be used if the phone was purchased at retail.

NickPDX said:
My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick
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i use tmobile in uk if the proxy box is ticked my mail dosent load.

T-Mobile USA now uses the device IMEI for data plans
The proxy trick does not work anymore on Tmobile USA, they now use the phone's IMEI number to verify that the phone is on the correct data package. It works for about 24 hours now then when you try and access the internet you are sent to a screen to add the correct data package.

Proxy internet for HD2 on T-Mobile
I have T-mobile with the $5.99 T-Zones. I used it on the DASH and am now using it on a Touch VIVA. If I buy the HD2 from T-Mobile with no contract are they still going to force me to get a data plan or will my T-Zones stop working. I want to keep my T-Zones and may have to get an ulocked phone.

NickPDX said:
My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick
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I'm currently with AT&T and about to switch to T-mobile when the HD2 comes out. When I spoke to the T-mobile rep., (trying to get him to set me up on the cheap data plans instead) He told me T-mobile can tell what phone you are using and know if it is on the correct plan. He also stated that if the phone is unlocked then you can trick their systems into letting you keep your old plan. Now again, I dont know if this is true or not, I am about to switch...hopefully this month, I'll find out then.
With AT&T, I have an old data plan (unlimited internet, 1500 text, 200 MMS) and I pay $19.95/month. they have never made me change my data plan and I am using the Tilt2. If you go through the priemer business website to upgrade your phone, they dont give you the $50 discount and you get to keep your data plan unchanged....all other channels force the upgrade with an updated data plan. Again, the only way around that is to buy your phone from someone else, unlocked, or have warranty dept. swap out your phone for a different model. My nephew has the $10 data plan and is now using the Tilt2 on it via warranty swapping out his phone for a different model (the Tilt2).
I know on the AT&T service you do get the 3g speeds, so I assume it will be the same for T-Mobile (but then again assuming may not be the best way to go). Hope that helped

I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?

NickPDX said:
I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?
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from what I was told, everything should work correctly and at the correct speed, as long as the phone is unlocked. The cell phone service providers don't seem to really offer different speeds at different rate plans like the cable internet companies do.

I had not seen your message from earlier ... we posted at the exact same time. Thanks though for your input. I will let her know. It seems like it is worth a try. Worst case scenario, she has a great phone but she has to use Wifi to check her mail and such.

NickPDX said:
I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?
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every other site works u can download email via direct site.then i noticed o2 network has its proxy unticked so when i was using tmobile i unticked it.now i can download email auto.
there was on promotional offer in uk.£10 top up u get unlimited txt and web.i used it on my htc shift as modem for a few months tmobile has no complained about going over fair usage policy on web unlike other networks.

Vibrant and NO data plan but 3G/E signal?

My wife fone does not subscribe to data plan. But sometimes, she got 3G/E signal display on the phone. Will Tmobile automatically add data plan to her phone? is she getting charged to browse the internet? Is there a way to disable this? Thanks.

nguyenmd said:
My wife fone does not subscribe to data plan. But sometimes, she got 3G/E signal display on the phone. Will Tmobile automatically add data plan to her phone? is she getting charged to browse the internet? Is there a way to disable this? Thanks.
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How did she get a plan without data? Its a requirement for the android devices.
I'm sure tmobile will automatically add it.
Yes they will charge. Either 30 bucks a month for per meg. I had someone that tried to do this with Verizon and he got a bill for 300 bucks.
You can turn sync off which will prevent it from going online to get info. (sometimes)

Those 3G/E are normal even if you dont have data plan
Disable with "APNdroid" from the market. After you disable 3G/Edge/Gprs data connection make sure you reboot so it actually disables it...you will no longer see 3G/E BTW Expect even better battery life after doing so.
laristech said:
You can turn sync off which will prevent it from going online to get info. (sometimes)
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I wouldn't touch sync its still very useful even if just using Wifi

Not sure what you will get charged but a data plan is NOT required on this phone. On other android devices it has been but for some reason this one can be used as a "dumb" phone. Store employees may tell you otherwise so they can get the commission.

joshthewaster said:
Not sure what you will get charged but a data plan is NOT required on this phone. On other android devices it has been but for some reason this one can be used as a "dumb" phone. Store employees may tell you otherwise so they can get the commission.
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I've seen people INSIST up and down that you can't run smartphones without a data plan or the carrier will add them. They told me the same thing about AT&T and guess what? My wife runs her iphone 2g without one (edge disabled) and nary a problem.

mk262 said:
I've seen people INSIST up and down that you can't run smartphones without a data plan or the carrier will add them. They told me the same thing about AT&T and guess what? My wife runs her iphone 2g without one (edge disabled) and nary a problem.
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I used my nexus and then my vibrant as prepaid with no problems...I went into the store and paid full price for vibrant and told them i had a tmobile prepaid sim card i was going to use...they dont care.
But now i have a $60 month plan so i can use my smart phone for what its intended for

yep, no problem with my even more + plan sans data. been using it that way since i got my g1, and they have not said anything.

laristech said:
How did she get a plan without data? Its a requirement for the android devices.
I'm sure tmobile will automatically add it.
Yes they will charge. Either 30 bucks a month for per meg. I had someone that tried to do this with Verizon and he got a bill for 300 bucks.
You can turn sync off which will prevent it from going online to get info. (sometimes)
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thats not true. its not required to have a data plan with an android phone. I talked to a tmobile rep and he said if you buy the android from them by either upgrading or starting a service then you do. but if you bring a tmobile android to them to start up service you dont have to have a data plan. although its really pointless to have an android phone without a data plan.

thanks for the replies guys. I download APN Droid and that took care of the concern. Thanks.

nguyenmd said:
thanks for the replies guys. I download APN Droid and that took care of the concern. Thanks.
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you dont need to download any apps. just go to mobile network, select APN setting and change the epc.tmobile.com to some arbitrary characters like "24532lk34j23l45ju204213" and hit the "menu" button and save. then turn off background sync at all time (unless you turn on wifi for android market donwload apps and gmail or apps that requires internet) and then reboot the phone.
the phone will will still shows 3G/E but u wont be able to get on internet as the APN setting has changed. T-mobile wont charge you data plan for this even though they got the IMEI detected. Ciao!

njfpolyr6 said:
you dont need to download any apps. just go to mobile network, select APN setting and change the epc.tmobile.com to some arbitrary characters like "24532lk34j23l45ju204213" and hit the "menu" button and save. then turn off background sync at all time (unless you turn on wifi for android market donwload apps and gmail or apps that requires internet) and then reboot the phone.
the phone will will still shows 3G/E but u wont be able to get on internet as the APN setting has changed. T-mobile wont charge you data plan for this even though they got the IMEI detected. Ciao!
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Yea remove epc.tmobile.com and for some reason you want it back but you forgot what it was so you go searching online because your forgot to write it down...you get the point
You really think that's easier than just getting APNdroid click to disable, click to enable. And why would he want to and disable background sync im sure he will use wifi.
BTW when you use your "method" and still see 3G/E your phone might not be able to connect to tmobile but it is still searching for those signals ultimately wasting battery

I don't have a data plan and I haven't disabled the APN settings. Whenever I go onto the browser without WiFi it shows me a T-Mobile page that just says that I need a data plan use the internet. It has never charged me. But I do have an unlimited text message plan and I can send picture messages just fine. Just an FYI.

I have used several android phones with out a data plan. We have a family plan, and so all I needed to do was use the sim card for a line that did not have a plan. It actually works well, and were I not waiting for the ota for froyo, I would be tempted to drop my data plan and I use my phone extensively.
If I recall correctly, the only applications that I could not use when out and about were the browser based apps. Initially, the thought of not being able to user google maps would have been enough of a reason not to drop the data plan, but with my trip to canada, that was cured with a $20 download of Co pilot. I am generally using my phone where I have wifi access. Nonetheless, I still was able to get email updates with out a data plan.
In essence, with out a data plan you can still access email, messaging, and use many if not most of your downloaded applications. If you need constant access to FB, you tube, twitter and the likes, you will not easily be able to drop you data line.
Note that I was able to get my wife's phone upgraded to a my touch slide on t-mobile and was not required to add a data plan. I did, but it was weeks after I already had it up and running which was possible because it provided an option to configure wifi before having to have the google account configured (unlike the G1).
Just fyi those those interested.
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T-Mobile will NEVER add a data plan to your line, especially without your knowledge.
I've been using a smartphone with my plan without data for years now.