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Just wondering what people are using to browse the web (other than the default browser) ?
I've tried Opera Mobile but it seems to play around with some of the text on the input area and screen (odd).

hi, had the same problem with opera. browsing seems fine in terms of speed but the language is distorted. i read the support page of opera, though it supports windows mobile 5.0 they said if you can't find your mobile phone in the support list then it's not compatible. they're suggesting opera mini instead but i haven't tried it yet.
currently im using netfront v3.3 which is so far the most stable for my atom. and browsing is so fast unlike PIE (sucks!). you should try mini-mozilla too.

for opera got funny character in input text. just copy the font arial.ttf from your pc window to atom /windows directory. and soft reset.

What do you know ... copying the font over work .... thanks Mazam.
Just out of interest, how does Opera compare to the others (Netfront etc.), are there really any major differences ?

No, don't use Opera. It's writen in Java and have good support for smartphone. Too bad. It's not really for PDA.
You can try Minimo - Firefox for PPC. Here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
One of the Minimo's good side is it show web pages with java script perfectly. Unlike Opera. Maybe Minimo load slower Opera little bit but it good enough for me.

hhck1986 said:
No, don't use Opera. It's writen in Java and have good support for smartphone. Too bad. It's not really for PDA.
You can try Minimo - Firefox for PPC. Here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
One of the Minimo's good side is it show web pages with java script perfectly. Unlike Opera. Maybe Minimo load slower Opera little bit but it good enough for me.
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what do you mean opera is java platform.. that is opera mini, what i'm using is opera for mobiles...
u can go here http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/

Opera mini 8.5 is bar none the best browser, especially when used with the 'fit to screen' option. After using it, netfront, pie, and all the others feel 'broken'.

IE vs Picsel vs Opera

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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?

I would add NetFront 3.5 in this comparision as well.

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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?
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1) IE can be removed, but some of the files are used by system programs, and it is minute anyway.
2) PIE is the slowest, and the least accurate at page rendering, although I haven't used Picsel that much so I can't comment... Opera Mobile is brilliant! (Opear Mini, the one that runs in Java is great for not eating your data allowance).
3) Opera Mobile has thumb/finger scrolling, and tabs, not sure about Picsel though... Opera mini doesn't have tabs, and may not do thumb scrolling although I don't use it that much...

Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.

yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device

what are the differences between opera mobile & opera mini?
Can they be used effectively without esmertec java [over 2MB] ?
For the record I did read the wiki on web browsers, but I had some more specific questions that I cant find the answers to and you guys have always been helpful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetFront <---
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opera mini == a java applet which is made to run on all phones with java
from nokia to htc phones with touchscreen
opera mobile is a native windows mobile application which only runs on that platform
native apps in general are better intergrated with the os and is often faster
pie is in the rom and if one removes it one have to cook a rom without
it and as said other programs depend on the files being there
and removing stuff from the dedicated rom space dont give more storage

Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.

aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..

Azimuth21 said:
Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.
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thank you very helpful. I have read almost all that stuff and it is good info, but i like to have it confirmed. sometimes there is so much hype that a better option gets downplayed because it isnt as cool. All I have been hearing about is skyfire. Is it out yet?

Skyfire and Opera Mini 4.1, those are the two best ones I've come across.

Is there a way to get opera to download files other then mpeg ones? I can download avi's or almost anything else for that matter...or is opera just a browser in the literal sense?

Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Yes I know OperaMini goes through opera servers, but the difference is Opera servers compress the webpage, which is then downloaded onto the phone. With Skyfire, the webpage is never downloaded, so it is constantly using data to view the webpage being rendered on a Skyfire server. Therefore, Skyfire wins initial draw speed of a webpage, but loses during any interaction with said page (it must load when you zoom, for example.) Personally I use Opera Mini for the pure speed, but Opera Mobile when I must do something secure (logging into emails, PayPal, etc), because it never passes through a separate server.
@bartybet
I don't know why you can't download anything else with Opera (i'm assuming Opera Mobile), since Opera Mobile's download capabilities are very powerful. Check Menneisyys and his blog, he has a post about mobile browsers and their download abilities, with Opera Mobile topping the list.

So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?

Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.

Ghost26 said:
So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?
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9.5 all the way... way nicer to use, faster, supports flash...etc..

dieKatze88 said:
Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.
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Lol you funny netfront sucks opera 9.5.1126 owns it

Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Same here, cant wait for the bookmark sync thing to work, Opera Link or something....
On a slightly different note, do you think opera will
a) Update the diamond to the newest version of opera for free
b) Ask Flar to take down all links to opera beta cabs.
These are both if/when a proper version is released.
Rory

ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device
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The CPU usage bug is stated to be fixed in the new (current) version.

steb0ne said:
Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.
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you have a lot of alternate, REALLY superior means of playing back videos - see my YouTube Bible.

F*ckin Opera

Why, when in a forum and making a new post, when i press delete, does it go back. pees me right off.
I am inside the tExtbox. look, too scaredto cover my mistakes.

Yeah, this happens to me too, impossible to edit a post once you start typing!

danjwalker said:
Why, when in a forum and making a new post, when i press delete, does it go back. pees me right off.
I am inside the tExtbox. look, too scaredto cover my mistakes.
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LOL! Yeah, I wrote a long email within Opera on my ebay account, tapping away, got to the end.... oops a typo, better correct that.... DOH! nooooo! the delete key becomes the back key. Yeah, plain stupid.

well DEL is used as back in every PC browser, but "should" be disabled when in a textbox.

Does anyone know of a fix for this? I currently select the text by holding down the shift and replace it with the characters I want, or go before the offending text and use Fn Delete. Its hard enough banging out some moan on a forum while on a train!!

definately agree with this one...REALLY annoying!

well that opera is way worse than it's desktop and mini counterpart
is there any way to uninstall it? and what's the best alternative for that?

USe MINI Opera or the Beta 2 - much newer Build
Load Opera Mini or the BETA of Opera 9.5
It is newer and faster

I'm using the 9.5 beta, it's much faster, and doesn't do that.

I looked at opera mobile website and it says that the latest version is 9.51b, is that's the newest? it has been from July!?
where to get the newest?

I have opera 9.51b installed on my Xperia and indeed it's much faster than the Opera 9.5 version which standard comes with the T-mobile branded version. However the standard installed Opera is still on my phone besides the new beta version. Does somebody know how I can uninstall the older version? It's not in the uninstall programm list...

waitin' for a good browser
since 3 years i'm waiting for a good browser for pocketpc or other small devices. but nothings happened yet. opera & iphones safari cannot handle sites with DHTML and javascript for a comfort surfing the web.
we can only hope for opera next versionen or the new pocket IE.

Strange! It doesn't happen on my Vodafone-branded X1 when I press the key slowly and carefully. But it does sometimes when I'm deleting more characters and press it repeatedly and quickly! I have originally installed version 9.5 build 2141 of the Opera.

for me, DEL acts like DEL - but ONLY in text mode!!! so everything is normal.

Sorry but the mobile safari Browser on the iPhone is very good. I can not understand anyone telling it is crap.
Sure some sites will not work - BUT THIS IS A MOBILE DEVICE !!!!
And on Windows Mobile the first browser which gives us a good experience in browsing is OPERA - still it is not as good as safari but it is good. Only not so nice that opera does not offer newer Builds.
There is beta 1 and 2 and the versions on HTC devices and on the X1 - they are all old builds so there is a big missmatch around.
THE ACTUAL OPERA MOBILE BETA is calles 9.51b2.cab

so the x1 operia is older than the official beta? strange cause the build number is lower...

anyone try this http://mobilefirefox.com/, i dont haw yet my SEX1thing.

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anyone try this http://mobilefirefox.com/, i dont haw yet my SEX1thing.
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MobileFirefox is not for WM phones, it's for desktop PC's.
Minimo is a mozilla based WM browser.

spr33 said:
MobileFirefox is not for WM phones, it's for desktop PC's.
Minimo is a mozilla based WM browser.
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Fennec is the true mobile firefox, alas no working WM builds yet..
Minimo is no longer supported
However if the version of fennec you can use on the desktop is anything to go by this will be superb!
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Windows_Mobile_Build_Instructions

Not SEX1's fault, bugs come from Opera, all devices use it have all the same old issues. We gotta wait for Opera mobile team to comes up with the next stable release.

Web browser

What web browsers you'll recommend apart from Opera Mobile/Mini, NetFront, IE, SkyFire?
I'm just interested and wan't to try some of the others that will be good .
And I'll add this question here: IE works fine with SPB Phone Suite or it slows it and takes more RAM?

Opera Mobile
Is there any other?

Tried various options, the only stand out browsers were Opera (not mini) and Picsel. The rest do the job, but whether they are convenient to run or have features either of the two offer is what makes me go back to the choices mentioned.

What about having Opera Mobile 10 beta on our Unis!!
I´ll do my test
Watch this beauty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUmiDLRcNs

In addition I've found something firefox-like:
1. Minimo http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
2. Fennec http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a3-wm/releasenotes/
Will try it now

mesaj said:
In addition I've found something firefox-like:
1. Minimo http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
2. Fennec http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a3-wm/releasenotes/
Will try it now
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Well Fennec is not going to run if you have a 64mb uni... as it needs more ram and look at the install size 20mb +.....
well there are other browsers.... like Bolt (which says it is fast),UCWEB, ibisbrowser, Dorothy Browser (webkit based browser) and Irish.

orb3000 said:
What about having Opera Mobile 10 beta on our Unis!!
I´ll do my test
Watch this beauty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUmiDLRcNs
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I have been testing Opera 10 beta on my 64mb Uni all day.....Its EXCELLENT!!!!
Not a memory hog like earlier builds and not one crash after extensive use.

What is your prefered web browser on the HD2?

Of the ones I know if, there are the following:
IE
Default Opera
Opera Mobile 10
Skyfire
Any others people use on here?

9.7 the best

I think IE is the fastest, I wish it had pinch to zoom.

I like Skyfire for visuals and speed, but for forms and such the stock Opera seems to work best.

Opera Mini 5 is the best for me. Unfortunately I don't know how to make it the default browser. I also use skyfire for flash sites and the default Opera 9.7 for sites that requires password. But for everyday use, like ESPN, CNN, etc, etc, Opera mini 5 is the fastest and the best.

My main browser is Opera 9.7 cause of the multi-touch and ease of use, for flash sites i use Skyfire and for speed and to use some websites that dont look right on the other browsers i use IE... but mostly its Opera
i tried opera 10 but meh, seemed bothersome... even tho its flash enabled..

I use Opera 9.7 normally, but I've been giving Opera 10 a go. We will see I'm not 100% sold on it yet.

I like Opera 10, but if Opera mini 5 could be made the default I would take that... its so fast! Opera 9.7 UI is terrible imo.

I think i have tried all the browsers but i prefer opera 9.7 for daily use with skyfire for flash sites and opera mini 5 for speed browsing

I prefer the stock opera browser...

Opera Mobile 10 is sucks,
Opera Mobile 9.7 is much better.

what are you guys talking about there is a scrip for making opera mini the default browser you guys should look for it!

Opera. Don't know why but I started disliking IE a while back.

Opera 9.7 ftw!

is there any others that offer flash support, everytime i download skyfire, it just sits like 75% done and wont complete the download but skyfire still opens and works but is kinda crappy and lags.

I think Opera 10 is better.

marduk79 said:
Opera. Don't know why but I started disliking IE a while back.
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Because IE is a horrible browser.

starkall said:
is there any others that offer flash support, everytime i download skyfire, it just sits like 75% done and wont complete the download but skyfire still opens and works but is kinda crappy and lags.
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i hear you. I hate skyfire. It is a shame it is the only one that displays all flash properly.
I wish opera could display flash 9.x and 10.x

IE is the only browser that works for most of the IT appliance GUI's I need to operate, but I wish it had pinch zoom. Zooming to fill in dialog boxes can be a pain, especially for entering passwords.
Opera's pinch is handy and makes filling in dialog boxes easier. But it fails to open the GUI screens on most of the devices I need to manage. Good for shopping, ok for webmail, getting work done not so much.
I do wish for a decent flash browser - some of our new IT reporting software uses Flash, and many of our online training sessions require it.
As a toy browser for fun 'n games though, stock Opera has been pretty cool.

Opera 9.7
Opera 10 gives me a memory error.