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New HTC Product ....

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/27/htc_unveils_windows_vista_shift/

another link with a pic ...
http://www.america.htc.com/products/shift/default.html

They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3

It's a LOT better than an Athena ST
I am hooked...

SpyderTracks said:
They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3
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Nope its different to the Athena, its 19cm long, so a bit big for even the biggest pocket.

the shift looks awesome!
i want to see some spec though. i wonder how you hold it to your face
when you';re ,making a call.. since it's the size of two stacked dvd cases.
imagine it was smaller than the universal.. with all the same features.
i'd crap in every pair of pants i had.

SpyderTracks said:
They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3
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The Athena is the replacement for the Universal, i.e. it uses Windows Mobile.
This one uses Windows Vista!!!
What a dream-machine...
Would be interesting to know:
a) price
b) how long the battery lasts
Cheers,
vma

Yet again, I didn't read the thread properly... apologies! Man that's a bit of hardware!!!

Hi Guys
Been reading various threads on your wonderful site now for a few months, finaly got around to registering. Just wanted to say "wow" with regard to the HTC "Shift". I know what I want for Chistmas.
In the meantime, got myself an Ameo last week - so far so good, although only managing to get about 24hrs battery life on light usage! Stil, the HSDPA rocks, providing you can slap t-mob into giving it to you for free as their t+c's stink!
Cheers

IMO, it will be running 2 OSes, namely, WM and Vista(yep, a dual boot device). Its specs says that it has 64MB RAM(probably for WM)+1GB RAM(for Vista).
Also, it has 128MB ROM(again, probably for WM)+30GB(for vista)

kdskamal said:
IMO, it will be running 2 OSes, namely, WM and Vista(yep, a dual boot device). Its specs says that it has 64MB RAM(probably for WM)+1GB RAM(for Vista).
Also, it has 128MB ROM(again, probably for WM)+30GB(for vista)
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dual boot wouldn't be practical.
i'm sure the wmobile aspect is integrated. hopefully you can use a mouse with it, if it's as powerful as a computer at that size this thing's amazing.
and... PUNJABI!!!!

dutchschultz said:
dual boot wouldn't be practical.
i'm sure the wmobile aspect is integrated. hopefully you can use a mouse with it, if it's as powerful as a computer at that size this thing's amazing.
and... PUNJABI!!!!
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Well, thats what the specs says ATM. AFA using mouse with it is concerned, you can use a BT mouse with any PPC with BT radio.
And, 'PUNJABI' for what dude?

with a name like kamaldeep singh
i figured you were punjabi.
i am too. PUNJABI! say it loud say it proud!

Windows Mobile 7 announced for the HD ?

Hello all, Windows Mobile 7 is announced to be available this year. It seems that it will be a lot more "finger friendly". The Touch HD would fit it very well.
In fact, I'm currently a Kaiser owner, and I planned to buy a Touch HD but I'm a bit disapointed (as always with HTC !!!) about its graphical performances.
Touch HD owners still need to convert video files for the Touch HD to read them at a good speed ... A shame !!!! I had an Axim x50v 4 years ago which was able to read any VGA DivX without any convertion and it was really fast, no lags.
So I can deal with the bad video performances (I already do with my Kaiser ...) but I need a major change in the general usage of the device compared to my Kaiser.
That's why I would be glad to see Windows Mobile 7 announced for the Touch HD, it may be the thing which would decide me to buy a Touch HD.
Does anyone know if HTC plan to upgrade the Touch HD with Windows Mobile 7 when it will be available ?
Thanks !

Windows 7?
Where? I thought was delayed for 2010 and that they will release soon windows 6.5... Did I miss something

In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
EDIT : New news -> you're right, wm 6.5 announced to come before 7 ... 7 delayed for 2010 ...

dizzy33 said:
In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
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what you read is incorrect. WM7 is for 2010, Q4 of 2009 at the EARLIEST. and to your original question. WM7 may require a different set of hardware to be completely finger friendly, ie no more resistive touch screen. but that's not to say people here can't hack it and port it to a legacy product (ie. touch HD) by the time WM7 comes out

About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...

Hm, i think the 6.5 will be published in Spring/Summer 09, so it could be possible.
Greets
John

i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile

kerni said:
i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile
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Where did u see this.

And sorry to take the air out your balloon
Turb0wned said:
Where did u see this.
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Fact:
He totaly made that up, there have been some renderings of what the G2 MAY look like and many people took it upon themselves to photoshop The Beast running the Android OS. Don't get your hopes up.
(My) Sepculation:
You'll probably see the G1 come out with 5 more colors, and 10 more OTAs before you ever find out what a G2 looks like.
Sources:
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282
Not to mention that HTC specifically said that they did not manufacture the Black Stone with a radio module supporting the US 3G frequencies. So I doubt T-Mobile would Market any device going foward as running on G2/Edge
I hope you find this helpful (And sorry to take the air out your balloon)

dizzy33 said:
I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor
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Hmm. Camera tracking applications kill the battery _very_ quickly and obviously don't work in bad light conditions or against blank surfaces with no pattern.
The HD has a g-sensor anyway, so that shouldn't be an issue.

i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months

dizzy33 said:
About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...
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the time stamp sais your last edit was after my post. but regarding the hardware difference: microsoft never specifies the HW requirement to end customers because we don't get to purchase the OS. they do specify to the manufactures of the phones. it's the same reason why your PC hardware requirement changes for Windows 2000 and Windows Vista. I'm sure you can some what run Vista on a machine built for Win 2K, but your experience will be limited. So I was just saying that some hackers here can port the WM7 to Touch HD, even though Touch HD is not designated to run WM7.
Requirement wise, I am _speculating_ that it will need a better CPU/graphics chip, amongst other things. the current Qualcomm chip 's graphic capability just plain sucks, the CPU power also isn't the best. Horse power by horsepower, a Qualcomm 500 MHz is much slower than a Marvel/Intel PXA 500 Mhz. I believe WM7 will have more graphics requirement: here's my logic:
- Up till WM6.1 (possibly 6.5), the max resolution supported is 800x480 (which is ok), but he color depth is only 65000, which is low. Iphone supports 262000, i'm sure MS will be going after at least that.
- ever since phones/PDA moved form QVGA to VGA and WVGA, the graphics suffered, and understandbly so. though not microsoft's fault directly. people started saying "my WM phone/PDA is slow" and put the blame on MS. So MS will be clearing their name and restricting manufactures from putting their OS on a non-suitable device
so the above two points just to show you in the graphics department there may be a HW requirement. can you run it on a phone that doesn't fit the requirement? suuuuure, just that the experience won't be as good.
and finally, the news yesterday confirmed my suspicious is that HTC just dumped Qualcomm (not 100% dump though) as the sole CPU/chip provider due to their performance. Given that a product stays in incubation (for prototyping QA, testing, beta, etc etc) for 6 to 8 month before it hits the market. I believe HTC is prototyping the new devices with WM6.5 and perhaps even WM7, and found the performance with Qualcomm chip lacking. hence hardware requirement.

Site your sources.
adsno_1 said:
i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
If you read my previous post you'll see an official announcement from HTC themselves supporting my comment.
The HTC will not see the light of day in the United States, In the US there are 2 GSM Carriers ATT and T-Mobile
ATT won't relesase because it directly competes (and probably breeches) their contract with Apple
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
Site your sources before you make such claims sir.

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also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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That comment is a joke, where are you sources.

I guess there are a lot of Wishful thinkers on this thread.

fnordelus said:
I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/

Schooleydoo said:
What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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You're absolutely right, that's my bad!
I actually did forget that T-Mobile is outside of the US, please excuse my stroke of ignorance.
I feel extra stupid because I actually have a German-T-Mobile Branded MDA Pro that I had to replace the keyboard for (to a qwerty keybord)
Me <---- Fail!

Schooleydoo said:
What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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Aditionally, you're double right!
Becuase T-Mobile UK does have a history of releasing beefy smarthphones, I just got my ass handed to me.
When it comes to mobile devices (my passion) it SUCKS to be an American.
Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?" or even worse "Is that an iPhone imitation?"
So, again, excuse my stroke of ignorance.

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Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?"
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HAHA oh man I get the same thing all the time!
The annoying thing is it's surprisingly hard to say "HTC Touch HD" properly coherantly without sounding weird due to the cacophony of hard syllables!
Something interesting to note about WiMo 6.5 and the Touch HD is in reference to Pocket Internet Explorer 6. Microsoft have stated that their new mobile browser won't be released for use on any device due to hardware limitations of current devices - but there HAS been a ROM released by a microsoft developer for the Touch HD ONLY that DOES include the new Pocket IE...
My theory is that 6.5 will be held by microsoft for use on higher spec future handsets only, but the Touch HD will be allowed a possibly semi-official update. (maybe in the guise of a ROM by a microsoft developer like PIE6)
Something else to bear in mind, the Hermes was in mid life cycle when WiMo6 was released and HTC duly released a free upgrade from the pre-existing version 5 so there's a possibility they might do something similar for the HD.
All speculation and hope of course...

Here are some images of what WM7 might look like. Check out the Word 2007 picture. It looks like it has a lot of menu options.
http://cybernetnews.com/2008/01/07/windows-mobile-7-images-leaked/

Xperia got the better of my eyes - for sale!

Ok, I am not sure if we are allowed to advertise here, but the X1 is a fantastic device but the fonts are simply to small for me.
I have decided to sell my device, 2 weeks old and a Vodafone Upgrade, all in immaculate condition. Offers invited before it goes on flea bay.
Many Thanks

Hey dude....u can change the size of the fonts....maybe that helps u^^
start/settings/system/screen/textsize
try that and tell me if it is still to small for u
Greets
Dunnam

jackson_112 said:
Ok, I am not sure if we are allowed to advertise here, but the X1 is a fantastic device but the fonts are simply to small for me.
I have decided to sell my device, 2 weeks old and a Vodafone Upgrade, all in immaculate condition. Offers invited before it goes on flea bay.
Many Thanks
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what color and what price are you looking for. I'm thinking about buying a test device so i get more creative with my ROM cooking. Debating on whether to get a Touch HD just to play with it or another xperia. It would be nice to post some pics of the device as well.

what you're looking for is finger-friendliness, and currently windows mobile is designed for stylus use, though there are applications/tweaks that make menus and buttons bigger.
i do admit the screen on the XPERIA is small and if it was the size of the Touch HD it would have been more feasible for finger-friendliness, but being small makes it look more compact anyway.... like a traditional sony ericsson product.
windows mobile 6.5 is supposed to completely finger-friendly though, if it truly will look like the Zune based on "leaked" screenshots.....

jackson_112 said:
Ok, I am not sure if we are allowed to advertise here, but the X1 is a fantastic device but the fonts are simply to small for me.
I have decided to sell my device, 2 weeks old and a Vodafone Upgrade, all in immaculate condition. Offers invited before it goes on flea bay.
Many Thanks
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what are u asking for your device?

Buy this phone

I am very sure i am going to buy this phone, when it come out. Here you can post if you are doing the same, to view, if there is going to be a large community for this phone.
I appreaciate too, if we are able to do a dualboot on this phone with wm 6.5 and android 2.1.
Hope see you here soon with your brandnew HTC HD mini

I am on the waiting list for one.....it is said to land in Holland April 2nd......
Will report back......

I dont understand why you want it !
1) It has not got a 16:9 widescreen, just an old fashioned 4:3
2) It is a useless 320X240 half VGA resolution
Im sorry but the currently available Diamond 2, is a far far far better phone !

ice_coffee said:
I dont understand why you want it !
1) It has not got a 16:9 widescreen, just an old fashioned 4:3
2) It is a useless 320X240 half VGA resolution
Im sorry but the currently available Diamond 2, is a far far far better phone !
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Half VGA is 480x320! and mini will be faster and maybe cheaper tham the Diamond 2.

Biggest issue might be that no new programs will come available for WM 6.5 with WM7 around the corner......WM7 is not backward compatible....so all developers will jump on WM7.
And means you quickly have an "old" device.....

It wont be available in Denmark until April 12

Frank Caarls said:
Biggest issue might be that no new programs will come available for WM 6.5 with WM7 around the corner......WM7 is not backward compatible....so all developers will jump on WM7.
And means you quickly have an "old" device.....
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Which means that a lot of users will jump on the android platform a lot sooner than expected
I've been using WinMobile the last 10 years and i OWN A LOT of 3d Party applications. I simply will not spent a bunch of money for a *new* Windows OS which i believe will not be as promising and competitive as Android
I will buy my last WinMobile 6.x at a bargain price as to have a device to last me a year or two until i chose my new platform

Myster said:
Which means that a lot of users will jump on the android platform a lot sooner than expected
I've been using WinMobile the last 10 years and i OWN A LOT of 3d Party applications. I simply will not spent a bunch of money for a *new* Windows OS which i believe will not be as promising and competitive as Android
I will buy my last WinMobile 6.x at a bargain price as to have a device to last me a year or to until i chose my new platoform
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I buy all my phones 2nd hand...... this week an almost brand new iolite for 120 euro..... .....A 2nd hand HD mini wil not be around for a couple of months hmmmm too much options.....
A next purchase needs to be a strategic choice as to which platform to go for.....

Not suggested. HVGA resolution is not supported for ALL applications at this moment. But if you only use internal applications and the HTC Sense, that doesn't matter. But you will soon find that Windows Phone cannot live without any external applications.

Does anyone know what the price of this phone will be? Been looking around with no confirmed price.

Don't know if it much help for you but in Holand the going price is 379 euro.....not bad would say....and if you wait a few weeks prices tend to drop.....

the last emperor? motorola ES400, the best wm6.5 device

purchased motorola es400. truly happy with this device, do think it's the greatest wm6 device with fantastic usability.
pros:
1. qwerty keyboard is easy to press, even better than any blackberry keyboard
2. 3.0 VGA tft screen: high brightness, clear display
3. perfect size to fit your hands, rugged phone, rubber frame give you best feeling
4. 1500mah standard battery + 3000 mah extended battery, a gigantic power house. so no worry about battery
cons:
1. wm6.5(hope it'd be a android one)
2. system needs to be more optimized, it took 5 to 6 seconds to shoot a picture after you press camara button!!

came more pictures.
1 more cons: 2.5mm headset jack

more pictures....................

Looks like that came from the Symbol line of devices. Lots of retailers use the MC-70 and related devices for inventory work and more. Very good devices for that type of work, but way to big and bulky for average use.
When Motorola bought out Symbol they started make a line that was more slim and trim in the hopes of getting executives/manager to adopt them. They'd not only be able to perform the inventory type jobs but also work as the default cellphone for the individual.
They are very rugged and well built devices. They can take a LOT of abuse and still function. If I recall the OS has also been "ruggedized." What I mean is that they sort of strip out some of the more advance, high end stuff that is more likely to cause incompatibility and/or crashes. I know this is true of some of Symbol's earlier devices. I don't know if it's true with the Motorola stuff... especially if they wanted execs to use these I doubt they would have done too much to 'em.
Great devices for Field Work, but I don't know they're usually not cutting edge tech or the most feature packed machines.

You've got Windows EH 6.5 on this right ? What build number do you see on it ? Just curious

Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me

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Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
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Add me to this. Leo is already Legendary.

Can anybody with this device upload dumped ROM?

Hello
i need a german Rom for this device!
Can anybody help

Hi,
Try following link, it should offer you a download link with when you provide your device's SN
http://support.symbol.com/support/s...eId=&dialogID=216462608&stateId=1 0 216464033

As mentioned above, these devices are really designed for data capture work in the business arena. Just the job, for barcode reading, warehouse pick list instructions, utility company meter reading, in the field survey response capture, customer order capture, etc. etc, but for personal phone use, it is a bit of a heavyweight.
Having said that, if you make a habit of dropping your phone down the WC, quite a common method of trashing it by all accounts, such a purchase could be a very good investment. It will survive that sort of thing time after time. You will have to give it some really serious abuse in order to break it.
This is where Microsoft is taking the CE/Mobile/Embedded platform.
Windows Phone 7 is now purely a consumer product.

..if it had DPAD and wm6.1...
sigh.
what's the cost of this, btw?
any kitchens available?

Regarding the cost, they're not cheap, but then again you get what you pay for.
Here in the UK they start at just over £400.

thank you buddy, nice work

mrteii, have you tried to shoot a photo at night using the flashlight? the light is distributed also into lens, making an ugly white arc at the bottom of the picture. anyway, the PenTile display is very nice. i'm currently using this device alongside with mc75a, which i like much more

On Sprint in the USA, the Touch Pro 2 is the best Windows Mobile device. I would get a Leo/HD2 if I was on T-Mobile.

Anyone one could get this ES400 rom ?

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Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Also think that! Proud leo owner here!

Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
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go away..
sheesh.

I just received this device off ebay several days ago, brand new, unbranded and it came with the extended battery. I've added a PNY 32GB class 10 microsd card and activated it with an at&t gophone plan. I'm getting the H data symbol up top so it looks like I'm connecting at 3.5G speeds and so far so good! It's quite beastly in size but I love the display and the keyboard! I hope they release an updated model in Android/WP7 form, but I kinda like how it feels like a computer on a phone. It's my first WM phone, my previous phone was a Palm Pre.