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(25 November 2008) Haptic Feedback 0.3.1 - LG KS20 support (hopefully)!

There are probably similar apps around, but I got bored and made my own!
Currently, there are no options. It's on, or it's off!
Download the cab from here, install it, and then run "Haptic Feedback" from the programs menu.
By default, it installs a shortcut to launch at startup, but if you don't like that, delete "\Windows\Startup\HapticFeedback.Startup.lnk".
If Haptic Feedback is already running, starting the link again will cause it to exit.
Notes:
No external frameworks are required - pure C++
Supports MoDaCo AppToDate
Coming whenever I have enough time to implement it:
Settings - lots!
A settings application
Some features I haven't yet thought about... Suggestions anyone?
Support for keyboard response
I can't be held responsible for any damage or loss caused directly or indirectly via use of this program, etc etc...
Change Log:
0.3.1 LG KS20 Support!
The "CustomLED" option allows for different LEDs to be set as the vibrate (default is 1. KS20 users should set it to 3)
0.3 Sound playback!
VibrateEnabled - enable vibration (1 is yes, 0 is no)
SoundEnabled - enable sound (1 is yes, 0 is no)
Sound - the full path to the sound file (only used if SoundEnabled = 1)
0.2 Settings! Stored under HKCU\Software\l3v5y\Haptic Feedback
HoldVibrate - keep vibration on until the screen is no longer down
HighTime - the time (in milliseconds) the vibration should be sustained
LowTime - the time (in milliseconds) the vibration should be held low
PollingInterval - the time (in milliseconds) between polls of the mouse state
0.1 Initial release
No point in a screenshot, as there is no form!
DISTRIBUTION OF THIS IN ANY FORM MAY RESULT IN VIOLENT DEATH CAUSED BY nir36, OR MYSELF - DON'T DO IT!

Feature Request
I know Heptic feedback is primarily designed to be vibrate response function but my suggestion is, Allow user setting to select both when Heptic feedback or audible feedback on or off for example only if SIP keyboard is enabled or in a specific program.
I really don't like the screen tap sound when used in general for all screen taps under winmo general settings but I would like the ability to have screen taps sound or vibrate feedback or both when I use my keyboard. So the ability to assign sounds or vibration independently of each other would be nice.
Curious G

lol i love this. it's pointless and battery consuming. but i love it

nir36 said:
lol i love this. it's pointless and battery consuming. but i love it
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Why do you think I made it?
It only consumes as much power as getting called constantly, and it's great for annoying people trying to use my phone...

thanks for sharing its cool.

curious george said:
I know Heptic feedback is primarily designed to be vibrate response function but my suggestion is, Allow user setting to select both when Heptic feedback or audible feedback on or off for example only if SIP keyboard is enabled or in a specific program.
I really don't like the screen tap sound when used in general for all screen taps under winmo general settings but I would like the ability to have screen taps sound or vibrate feedback or both when I use my keyboard. So the ability to assign sounds or vibration independently of each other would be nice.
Curious G
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I'll see if I can work out how to do that! It seems a nice idea.
Thanks!

l3v5y said:
Why do you think I made it?
It only consumes as much power as getting called constantly, and it's great for annoying people trying to use my phone...
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dude. i suggest you stop giving your phone to people/losing it.

nir36 said:
dude. i suggest you stop giving your phone to people/losing it.
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Meh...
I wrote it mainly because I find it useful, and partly to test if I can get input from the device - I'm planning on creating a keyboard hook to launch my Dialer when the "call" button is pressed.

ooo! you should also share this with supbro for his iDialer..
that would be magnificant!
i'm off to sleep, 2000 hours of studying tomorrow.
cheers

nir36 said:
ooo! you should also share this with supbro for his iDialer..
that would be magnificant!
i'm off to sleep, 2000 hours of studying tomorrow.
cheers
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If I can get it to work, I will send it to supbro.

any way to lower the intesity of the vibration? its hurting my hand
This app works with ftouchsl, which other apps ive tried dont.
Mike

Mike1002 said:
any way to lower the intesity of the vibration? its hurting my hand
This app works with ftouchsl, which other apps ive tried dont.
Mike
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As of yet, no. Currently, the vibration motor is being controlled in the same way as LEDs, so it's either on or off... I'll look into an alternate method though.

It won't work on my LG-KS20 too. Just like the other pgm - Vibration Feedback.

this is nice little app
thanks for sharing

if u can find some way to make this just work when the on screen keyboard is up that would be awesome

lbhocky19 said:
if u can find some way to make this just work when the on screen keyboard is up that would be awesome
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it doesnt work with the onscreen keyboard.... dam.. that whose the whole reason i wanted this application ...
what device u running
i have a htc touch pro

works with PCM Keyboard
but i just wish it was a less of a vibration. too loud for me.
imagine in class just hearing loud ass vibrations while im texting?

that teaches you to stop texting while you're in class

l3v5y said:
As of yet, no. Currently, the vibration motor is being controlled in the same way as LEDs, so it's either on or off... I'll look into an alternate method though.
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I think there is a way. Vibrations in Tweeter are very light, compared to the ones when there is a call or an alarm.

Excellent App, i will watch this development closely as its something id love. For the moment it feels like my Polaris is going to explode when i scroll Sometimes it also misses its "que"
But great work, very impressed.

Idea: Clicking sound when typing on the keyboard or other apps?

I don't know if you guys saw how the Blackberry Storm when you click the keyboard it makes clicking sounds to enable the fact that you clicked each button. I was wondering if something like this is available for our diamond. Never really considered this as a option but after I saw it in use its actually pretty cool.
Thanks

Settings -> Sounds & Notifications -> Enable Screen Taps!

mathiaspe said:
Settings -> Sounds & Notifications -> Enable Screen Taps!
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Hehe thanks should have kown better been using win mobile for like 3 years. Oooh well thanks.

Except that enabling the screen tap sound is universal for anytime the screen is touched, which is horribly annoying when panning and scrolling. I would love to see an option where the SIPs (including the dialpad) are modified to click (and preferably vibrate) whenever a soft key is pressed, but not for anything else.

RedJ said:
Except that enabling the screen tap sound is universal for anytime the screen is touched, which is horribly annoying when panning and scrolling. I would love to see an option where the SIPs (including the dialpad) are modified to click (and preferably vibrate) whenever a soft key is pressed, but not for anything else.
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Exactly.
Universal clicking is so annoying and useless.

I second this request!
Hi Keyboard always had typing sounds, and I've gotten used to it.
That's the only thing missing from the great HTC keyboards...

Haptic feedback...
Someone here at XDA is already working on something like this. It's in its very early stages, but sounds like it may be what you're looking for.
Take a look here.
Hope this helps.

grahamkdt said:
Someone here at XDA is already working on something like this. It's in its very early stages, but sounds like it may be what you're looking for.
Take a look here.
Hope this helps.
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Looking for audible clicking, not vibration. The same result as "enable screen taps" but with the application control of this guy's vibrate program. That would be ideal.

Some 3rd party keyboards have an option to turn on clicking sounds.
TouchPal definitely does and it's also the best keyboard I've used.

Davey101 said:
Some 3rd party keyboards have an option to turn on clicking sounds.
TouchPal definitely does and it's also the best keyboard I've used.
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Thanks for the tip, but I'm in love with the tiny, stylus-necessary "keyboard" layout on my Diamond.
Surely there is a simple reg hack for this?

ajd6c8 said:
Thanks for the tip, but I'm in love with the tiny, stylus-necessary "keyboard" layout on my Diamond.
Surely there is a simple reg hack for this?
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TouchPal has 3 layouts including full qwerty and it works better than the HTC one, smarter T9, etc.
Otherwise, I'm sure it would be very easy to modify the vibrate software mentioned above so that it makes noise. Worth asking for help from the author.

hd or td2?

hi all,
i would like to ask hd users if it has a haptic feedback or if it vibrates whenever i touch the screen. is it built in? i am thinking of getting either the td2 or hd.
thanks everyone!

It does, but not for every touch you make, only for certain buttons etc.
I've only had a quick go on a Touch Diamond 2, but it felt pretty similar to the HD with a Topaz based ROM installed to me. From what I've seen though the TD2 has been faster than the HD in many benchmarks so if you don't mind the slightly smaller screen then the TD2 might be a better option in the long run, especially with official WM6.5 updates.

true. so if i text using hd it does not vibrate when i press the keys when i text? problem is it is still not available in our country. and i am really eager in getting a new device this weekend! plus the 3.5mm jack cant be ignored. the thing i hate the most with td2 is its back cover which gets scratched easily.

The HD vibrates when you type on the keyboard. Or not. It's up to you since it's a setting of the HTC keyboard.

orouborus said:
true. so if i text using hd it does not vibrate when i press the keys when i text? problem is it is still not available in our country. and i am really eager in getting a new device this weekend! plus the 3.5mm jack cant be ignored. the thing i hate the most with td2 is its back cover which gets scratched easily.
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You can install a free app called TouchResponse which I've attached for your convienience which makes every touch you make vibrate on the HD. Once installed go into its settings and activate it for vibrate response

tkolev said:
The HD vibrates when you type on the keyboard. Or not. It's up to you since it's a setting of the HTC keyboard.
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Unable to find this in the HTC Keyboard. Can you please guide us to it.

umesh said:
Unable to find this in the HTC Keyboard. Can you please guide us to it.
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Go to Settings, Personal, Input and click the Options button (not the options tab).
You've got an option there to 'Vibrate when keys are pressed'.

Typing a nightmare?

If you find that it's really difficult to type using the hd2 - I advise you Align the screen.
The device doesn't make you do this when you first boot it but I found it solved my problem.
go to....
settings >> menu >> all settings >> system >> screen
I advise you not to use a stylus to do this but your finger - may be a bit tricky but if you can touch the crosses accurately enough with your finger you will find this benefits you when using everything.
I also turned on ClearType as I always had that on and default is off.
hope it's not been mentioned already.

spvc500 said:
If you find that it's really difficult to type using the hd2 - I advise you Align the screen.
The device doesn't make you do this when you first boot it but I found it solved my problem.
go to....
settings >> menu >> all settings >> system >> screen
I advise you not to use a stylus to do this but your finger - may be a bit tricky but if you can touch the crosses accurately enough with your finger you will find this benefits you when using everything.
I also turned on ClearType as I always had that on and default is off.
hope it's not been mentioned already.
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Thats really good to know. A lot of people said that with capacitive screens you don't align them but with my Hero I had to.
Very very good news, thanks for this

I think it has a lot to do with the keyboard manager.
I've tried HTC's, Resco's and SPB's keyboard, and SPB is by far the best for fingers, since it does not change letters after you type them, and it even allows full-screen keyboard when you need to type a lot of complicated symbols.
Resco's is too small and makes it hard to type symbols besides letters; HTC's is overly predictive and corrective to the detriment of productivity. SPB just works.

Wow!!! What a diference. You barely even need the predictive keyboard after aligning the screen.

good to know for when it arrives, thanks!
im pretty sure I posted this, but im dead tired, so since im here...
anyone tried this keyboard, http://www.mobiletextinput.com/about.php

yeah someone who had a HD2 before me told me they had to hard reset after trying align..
so I tested it earlier (just to see) and of course it works fine.. typing is now a joy rather than a bear to use !

fards said:
yeah someone who had a HD2 before me told me they had to hard reset after trying align..
so I tested it earlier (just to see) and of course it works fine.. typing is now a joy rather than a bear to use !
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hard reset would just clear away the setting causing you to do a new alignment, back and fort
think you mean soft reset?

br3nt said:
hard reset would just clear away the setting causing you to do a new alignment, back and fort
think you mean soft reset?
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I know EXACTLY what I meant, thank you very much!
the guy who tried the screen align could no longer use the screen, so resorted to a hard reset to get rid of it.
I'm wondering what they did wrong to cause it not to work...

fards said:
I know EXACTLY what I meant, thank you very much!
the guy who tried the screen align could no longer use the screen, so resorted to a hard reset to get rid of it.
I'm wondering what they did wrong to cause it not to work...
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After posting above I did run into some trouble in landscape mode. However, a soft reset got everything working perfectly.

After using resistive screen we need to remember to raise fingers that little bit further when typing. I'm beginning to type pretty fast now without mistakes.

So are people definately finding improvements in accuracy of typing when using aligning feature or is it best to leave it alone?

spvc500 said:
If you find that it's really difficult to type using the hd2 - I advise you Align the screen.
The device doesn't make you do this when you first boot it but I found it solved my problem.
go to....
settings >> menu >> all settings >> system >> screen
I advise you not to use a stylus to do this but your finger - may be a bit tricky but if you can touch the crosses accurately enough with your finger you will find this benefits you when using everything.
I also turned on ClearType as I always had that on and default is off.
hope it's not been mentioned already.
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Wow that sure helped a lot.
Thanks!
Should be added to the sticky tips and tricks post!

problems with typing
I did align the screen and turned on the cleartype.
After doing that it was just a tad better than it was before.
And it was a nightmare !!
But i tried to turn cleartype OFF.
And it is alot better now !!

Does anyone find it annoying how sentences don't actually automatically capitalise after using a full stop?
I have 'auto capitalise new sentence' option ticked under input settings too. Oddly, it auto capitalises after the use of '!' and '?' but just not a full stop...

I too am finding this keyboard hard to use. Sometimes impossible. I have aligned the screen and am trying to be as gentle as possible. In fact I find u don’t even have to touch it to set it off. Just hover your finger above the screen. And even hovering your finger above it can cause it to go mad and press every button in sight.
Sometimes if I press backspace repeatedly, it will press m, n, b, and v buttons too for me. I mean that’s about a finger and a half away from where I’m touching.
I have tried using the keypad as the buttons are bigger and again here I find if I press 7 (pqrs) it can press the one button too, and u can see it twitching all of the place when u hold. I held the power button to get the shutdown/lock options screen up, and without even touching the screen it selected silent. I’m finding it very very frustrating. I have been used to using the iPhone 3GS for few months, which I hate, but so far the screen is miles better.
I even opened notepad and drew some lines and on some swipes u can see instead of producing a smooth line it jaggers all over the place. To me it seems over sensitive/broken, but from what others say is this correct? The touch HD input was better than this. But I have no problems using the phone elsewhere than the keyboard.
The phone is great but currently I’m hugely disappointed with the screen. And so its letting the whole unit down.
Am i being useless or does my unit sounds bust?

simplymee said:
Does anyone find it annoying how sentences don't actually automatically capitalise after using a full stop?
I have 'auto capitalise new sentence' option ticked under input settings too. Oddly, it auto capitalises after the use of '!' and '?' but just not a full stop...
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My HTC Hero does this also, which is quite annoying!

Ok, when the Touch HD was out there was a program which allowed you to increase the sensitivity of the screen, think it was HD Tweak. This improved the sensitivity of the screen quite well.
Maybe there is a registry tweak we can do to turn down the sensitivity of the screen to help out?
Has anyone informed HTC about this yet?

I found typing accuracy slightly worse after running the alignment process which is weird.
The problem is, we're blazing a trail with the HD2 as there are currently no other winmo devices with a capacitive screen. The HTC full qwerty doesn't seem to be ideally suited to capacitive - the keys register presses far too readily and sometimes, as your finger is lifted from the screen, it's very easy to register a press in an adjacent button.
After a couple of days using it, it seems accuracy and a light touch are the order of the day - until HTC (or another enterprising software house) release a keyboard that's actually tailored to the Leo

Is this setting is what need to be changed for changing the sensitivity?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GWE\Touch\Filter]

skr_xd said:
Is this setting is what need to be changed for changing the sensitivity?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GWE\Touch\Filter]
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Tried set it to 1,10,100 and did not notice anything. But would love to find something like that.

Keyboard Configuration

I'm trying to understand why during sms or email typing I do a lot of typing errors. I saw that so many times I touch the keys on the on screen keyboard in the right place but I release it in the wrong one. So I can see there is a little movement of my hand and thinger that causes keyboard misunderstanding.
I tried a lot of tweaks but what I wantto try now is the possibility to configure the oem htc on screen keyboard to accept keys on press and not on release.
Can anyone help me finding registry tweaks about?
thank you!

Bisis said:
I'm trying to understand why during sms or email typing I do a lot of typing errors. I saw that so many times I touch the keys on the on screen keyboard in the right place but I release it in the wrong one. So I can see there is a little movement of my hand and thinger that causes keyboard misunderstanding.
I tried a lot of tweaks but what I wantto try now is the possibility to configure the oem htc on screen keyboard to accept keys on press and not on release.
Can anyone help me finding registry tweaks about?
thank you!
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It needs to accept on release because a long press has a different effect to a short one.
I know what you're saying, and I sympathize. I had problems at first, but I simply changed my typing style to suit the screen and now I'm very fast, and only make as many mistakes as I would on a real keyboard. Just get used to hitting the keyboard and lifting your finger, without moving it on the screen. It works - you just have to get used to it. It doesn't take long

johncmolyneux said:
It needs to accept on release because a long press has a different effect to a short one.
I know what you're saying, and I sympathize. I had problems at first, but I simply changed my typing style to suit the screen and now I'm very fast, and only make as many mistakes as I would on a real keyboard. Just get used to hitting the keyboard and lifting your finger, without moving it on the screen. It works - you just have to get used to it. It doesn't take long
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Yes I know this. But testing can be a good starting point.
I can also imagine that a "new keyboard" can accept keyboard on press and change pressed keys if I don't move my finger for a long time. If I don't remember bad I already saw a keyboard that works in this way... if I press a key it writes the key, then if I don't remove the finger from that key it changes the pressed key with the additional one.
So, there is not any way to change working way?

I think the thing is that if you can't get used to the HTC keyboard, just use another SIP if a good one is available, or wait until someone makes a new one...
The one in opera mini beta 5 seems good, would be great ig they could make a similar one system-wide...

kilrah said:
I think the thing is that if you can't get used to the HTC keyboard, just use another SIP if a good one is available, or wait until someone makes a new one...
The one in opera mini beta 5 seems good, would be great ig they could make a similar one system-wide...
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Yeah, there's plenty of alternative ones out there. Fingerkeyboard, for example, seems very popular.

johncmolyneux said:
Yeah, there's plenty of alternative ones out there. Fingerkeyboard, for example, seems very popular.
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I used FingerKeyboard a lot with Blackstone but with Leo I don't like it so much... I prefer to have bigger keys and HTC sense integration with the original keyboard.
The problem to change keyboard is also this one.. you can loose some integrations.
So all of you can confirm me that original keyboard is not modificable? So there are not registry configurations?

is there any help for my request?

Hit instead of release !
I do agree with you. I have tried the keyboard on the iPhone a lot, and I don't think anyone would disagree that it is much better. And the only difference is like you say that the iPhone registers where you hit the screen, instead of where you release the screen. Fast typing means you have to move your finger sideways all the time. Can it be so hard to make a keyboard that registers hit instead of release ?
Have tried several keyboards to the LEO, including Fingerkeyoard, but they all seem to have the same problem when used on the LEO.
It's a shame since the rest of the phone is genious. Let us hope someone who is capable of modifying or rewrite a complete keyboard take the challenge.

I'm asking this just from when I was using Blackstone but it seems that developers don't like to make keyboard sensible to press and not release.
Please help us!