As many of the recent windows mobile devices, the Xperia supports the network feature "Alternate Line Service" ("ALS") (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_line_service) which allows to have two phonelines on one simcard.
One can easily switch between the lines with a dedicated menu, as shown here:
http://www.se-community.com/div/X1/line_change.jpg
The appearance of the second-line menus relies on an entry in the Customer Service Profile (CSP) of the subscriber simcard.
For instance, the menus appear when using simcards of Orange(UK) or One(AT), but not with T-Mobile or Vodafone simcards.
As some people find these menus annoying, especially when they are not subscribed to the ALS-service, they can easily remove them by setting the registry key "ShowALSPage" in HKLM/Software/OEM/PhoneSetting to "0".
Now, I have a particular problem:
I want the menus to appear even though my simcard does not have the necessary entry in the CSP. I am subscribed to the service with eplus(DE). However, this operators simcards only support a preliminary ALS-standard which was introduced in collaboration with Siemens almost ten years ago. Since Siemens mobilephones have vanished from the market, it would be nice if eplus would eventually update their simcards - what they still reject, unfortunately.
The eplus simcards hold the value 0x55 in the CSP, while, according to the final standard, 0x80 is expected for ALS capable sims. Till now, the only mobile phones interpreting eplus(DE) sims correctly are Siemens and the most recent Sonyericsson UIQ phones.
Some other mobilephones would still work with eplus(DE)-ALS service. For instance, on Nokia phones one can easily unlock the menus using CSP-override. Some Motorola phones simply always display the menus.
Is there any way to make the ALS-menus appear on Windows Mobile 6.0 devices, like the Xperia X1?
some info can be found here : http://www.expansys.com/ft.aspx?k=112991
I'm also interested in this feature..
Steven
Steven, does Orange(NL) support ALS at all?
As far as I know (and learned from their webside), they don't...
Usually, Orange-Sims are preactivated for ALS, if the service is applicable on the particular Orange network. For instance (and my own experience), the menus are displayed with simcards from Orange(UK) and Orange(CH), but not with simcards from Orange(FR) and Orange(CI). If you do not see the menus with your Orange(NL) simcard, it's pretty clear that Orange(NL) does not support the service. Since T-Mobile(NL) recently overtook Orange(NL), it is highly unlikely that the service will be introduced, as T-Mobile does not support ALS anywhere in the world.
BTW: The page you quoted discusses the general support of ALS by the Xperia handset. Yes, sure, it does support ALS, as long as the simcards are activated properly. However, this is not the case for eplus(DE) simcards - and this is why I'm posting here. You won't be able to use ALS on Orange(NL) even if you would be able to activate the menus, as ALS relies on a certain network configuration as well.
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Hi, I have been very happily using my XDA with a '3' SIM after unlocking it but as of this weekend, it stopped working. It will work with other network SIMs so I know the phone is fine. I called '3' but obviously they are not interested. Is it because of the IMEI? If so, I would like to find out how I can change it ... My radio was 4.21 so I downgraded to 3.23.00 and then tried XDA Manipulator but it does not show that option (flashes and dissappears) . I cannot seem to find Radio Stacks V4.06 or 4.10 anywhere ... any help much appreciated.
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How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
Reference your usage of the sim from 3, I cannot see it being an imei problem, as you know the xda is not 3 compatable so it will be logging you on through a 3rd party network as far as I know. If the imei was blocked it would not work with any operator here in uk. Does the 3 sim work in another phone.?
I found GERMAN Radio Stack from this forum. (REF:http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2185). The '3' network also uses O2 network. Have not tried '3' sim in another phone - will test tomorrow.[/b]
cruisin-thru said:
How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
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i have downgraded a few times, but i dont know if this method will work 4 u.
if i currently have a TMO stack, ill go to a ATT stack, then i can bak to an earlier TMO, or visa versa
i only tried this with ATTs and TMOs, never had the need to try other stacks...(or should i :twisted: )
It is possible that the phone has been blocked, I have had this problem with 2 phones that I bought as faulty, I repaired them only to find that the sellers had claimed on insurance then sold the knackered phone which had been blocked by the provider.
JUICEe - I am not brave enuff to go down that route given the dire warnings from this forum in moving from UK/Europe stacks to US ones.
crusing-thru - Given that XDA works perfectly ok with 02 SIM, and '3' SIM works fine in 3' phone, I believe its something about the '3' SIM/Network and not the phone that is preventing me using it in my XDA at this time.
Tx for the interest, hope you were able to downgrade using the German stack. It works fine with O2 SIM.
It is strange though that the sim was working fine then doesnt work in xda but still works in another phone. Have you tried an orange or t mobile sim in the phone? If you are positive that 3 uses O2 as a patch network then ignore this. Have you been to bootloader and inadvertently changed gsm to 900 only, if 3 uses an 1800 network this would explain it, if you havent been to bootloader then I have no idea and if as you said the people at 3 are not interested I would consider dumping them as a service provider.
"Hutchison 3G has agreed to share network facilities owned by UK operator mmO2 to ensure rapid time to market even before its own network is complete, with customers roaming between Hutchison's limited 3G network and mmO2's existing second generation network. Hutchison's right to let customers roam with at least one existing competitor's 2G network is part of the 3G license and enforceable by law."
3 have locked the SIM, must be in one of their phones or will not work, even though it uses O2 as a voice network. Seen this problem many times, and there is nothing you can do about it. Anyone who has made it work is just lucky, and 3 will get to you in the end.
Don't ask me why they do it as to me they are restricting their own business, cos if you use your own handset, you are likely to use it more. Just ask my girlfriend who just hates her nec 606 and hardly uses it!!
Hi,
Basically what happened was that O2 complained to '3'. People were getting the cheap tarriffs from '3' and using them in 2g handsets.
O2's opinion was those people 'should' be using O2 as their provider if they are just using the 2g voice part.
'3' realised that if this becomes wide spread, although they will still make a % off the voice call in profit (after paying O2 for using their 2g network), they wont be acustoming people to using any of the 3g functions.
Really they would be hindering the progression of users from 2g to 3g, which may end up costing them alot more ultimately.
In my opinion it was most likely O2 threatening to take action too.
Really their marketing stratedgy is to give out cheap voice calls, to get the 3 phone in your hand... then they bombard u with offers to try video calls etc etc eventually 'in theory' u get used to these services.. same old story.
I havnt monitored the message, but from what i can tell they are using one of two things to stop the phones working:
1) capability messages from the phone restricting the phone from completing authentification because it isnt '3g' capable. That could be done as part of the auth process, raising the required capability to 3g.
2) Using the SAT (sim application toolkit) capability to talk to the USIM and dissable it.
Although SAT and USIM are not actually compatible, you can talk to a USIM through a SAT phone with limited functions.
If they're using (1) your **** outta luck really. But if that were the case you would expect everyone to be knocked out within the space of a month max (when they update the hlr records). Did you just get your 3 card?
If its 2.. you may be able to try an OLD handset that isnt SAT capable, just to prove the point.
I'm leaning towards (2) because i do know that on many nokia's if u type a number as soon as you boot up the phone it will work.
Also if u leave a digit on the screen.. say 0 as soon as u end that call it will still work when u dial the next number.
Clear the digit and not type one quick enough and you gotta reboot before it'll work again.
Sounds like the nokia firmware blocks access to the sim for other processes, in anticipation of reading the KC and doing an auth when u make the call.
Toxic.
Hi,
Can anyone comment on the XDA family of handests and compatability with the "3" network? Im considering a 2i, especially with the support thats obvious from this forum.
All help appreciated.
To my knowledge, 2i's are not 3G compatible and I'm unfamiliar with whether you can use a non-3G phone on the 3 network.
I don't know if you can have a sim card that's on 3 but not 3G enabled...even if you can then I'd probably wait until the Universal (XDA Exec) comes out in a "few" months time as that definitely IS 3G enabled.
Cheers
Ant
ok, great. thanks, thought it might be 3G related, but not a mobiel technology techie.
The HTC Universal will be launched (in theory) in August, and this is a 3g PocketPC device running Windows Mobile 2005.
I know it will be launched by O2, Orange, T-Mobile, and Vodafone (as soon as Qtek release it under their brand) but I am unsure about "3" themselves. Probably not as they don't allow open internet access yet, so all you would be able to view is their own content, which would be kinda crappy on such a powerful device.
To be honest you are better off getting O2 to pricematch to 3 - that's what I did.
The 3 network is terrible when O2 are busy - it piggybacks O2 so if there is a lot of traffic 3 get the lower priority.
ALSO, all your internet capabilities and things that make the XDAIIs great will be wasted on 3 as they do not allow actual internet access - despite what they may say.
Hi, is there any chance to use PushToTalk service on Universal, as like as it is on Nokia phones, and if yes how to do it
thanx
ZeD
Does PTT work over GSM?! I didn't think it did, but it is the subject area of my current job so I'll ask about it tomorrow!
I would imagine that if you wanted to use PTT on Windows Mobile you would probably have difficulties with responsiveness. All the Universal's keys & buttons are processed with software, which then instructs the hardware to connect the microphone/earpiece and make the call (or open the channel.) That can be slow - certainly my Universal seems very sluggish to do anything now, I think it's probably got a very fragmented filesystem!
my mum has a gsm nokia with a ptt button but her provider doesn't support it so no settings.
does it just work on US networks? i seem to remember an article in a british brochure about 1.5 years ago saying it would be the next big thing.
I think someone tried offering a contract with unlimited PTT talk usage between a call group and calls at a standard rate, so everyone just used the PTT functionality.
Had a chat with our technical sales chap, he tells me that Orange tried a PTT over Cellular (PoC) solution but it never really took off. Apparently Nextel do a PTT solution but they use PMR. So I'd be interested to know which country you're in to have a current PoC solution?
A better place to start might be with a Google Search for "Push To Talk" "Windows Mobile 5" - though that really just brought me a lot of pages with empty-looking promises from Microsoft that Windows Mobile 5 would support PoC.
i don't know if it works in my GSM provider / Orange Slovakia, but i saw this option in menu on my father's Nokia so i just wanted to know if it is really possible, and if yes, if it is also possible for Uni
ZeD
To be supported, it must be part of your contract with Orange, and the person you want to talk to must also have it enabled and be part of your "call group". The feature is principally for enterprise customers, so I expect they would charge a high premium for a single user!!
I thinking of purchasing this handset. but would like to know if the 3 network sim would work in this 3g handset.
Has anyone tried or could try it, if have you have access to a 3 network sim.
You will have to have mske sure your handset is sim unlocked. ??lokiwiz worked for my m600
sorry cant send you a sim to try!
thanks
abu yahya
SIM's from the 3 network still don't work in 'non 3' devices despite them now being the same physical size as other networks SIMs
One of our members on my other forum had the same query, and tested it to no avail earlier this year
thanks for the info
abuyahya
usim -3 network
will a 3 network sim work in any 3 branded phone are are they EMEI locked to that specific phone?
We might have to start unlocking sim cards too?!
Abu Yahya
I think you are on safer ground there!
Older 3 phones won't accept current 3 SIMs because the original 3 phones used a different sized SIM card, but later ones should be OK.
I can't imagine they would lock a SIM to a handset- they had so many device failures in the early years that it would have been a nightmare to manage all the IMEI locking!
Only the recent X-Series of 3 phones are capable of some of the more advanced connectivity services.
Three UK SIMs have an application running on the SIM that looks for a partner application on the handset. If you put it in a non three handset (Which doesn't have the partner application) then the SIM won't work.
HOWEVER!!!, Three UK use two types of SIMs. One type is an Axalto model, and you will see something similar to AX7021 in small letters on one side of the SIM.
The other is a Gemplus Model, which usually has GP7017 on it instead. (The AX and the GP being the critical part, although the above number seem to be the latest incarnations of them)
The Axalto SIM's have the application on it, and the Gemplus ones do not.
Therefore....the Gemplus SIMs will work in a non Three handset.
Persuading Three to send you a Gemplus SIM is the difficult part however, cos the idiots they employ in their Indian call centres wouldn't know what you are talking about, and in general the Gemplus SIMs are only for datacards, which by their nature cannot carry the application. They will usually refuse to send a Gemplus SIM to anyone without a datacard, and they also usually refuse to provision a Gemplus SIM for anything other than Data only tarriffs, even if you can get them to send you one.
Hope that explains things a bit better.
Excellent information- thanks. Explains a lot!
the phone partner application, any ideas if we could extract it and thus install it on phones such as the trinity and thereby getting the Ax7020 sim to work.
no idea i'm afraid. If someone could get hold of a 3UK Qtek 9000 we might stand a chance...
Does anyone know if this works on the wizard - and if so how to set it up?
I tried mucking about with the phone for ages without even seeing anything hopeful - and searches here bore no (recent) fruit.
For the benefit of those unaware - "line 2" is two numbers on the one sim - like two sims in the one phone with the disadvantage both numbers are from the same company - but the advantage of while selecting the outgoing number - both incoming are mutually live (my sagem and siemens have a different ring for each).
I find it hard to believe a facility I have used since the last century does not appear to be supported by a phone in the league of the wizard.