Hi,
I have bought a G1 on ebay yesterday and it will be coming in 2-3 days. As G1 needs internet to attain the maximum capability, I opted for having Web N Walk with my current contract.
My question is, as I have included Web n Walk with my contract and when I insert the SIM in this externally purchased G1, is it as equivalent to being in the "always on" internet. Is it equivalent to me buying the handset in Flext 30 with comes along with WnW
Your help is greatly appreciated
Thanks
I just bought the phone on Ebay as well. I hope I'm not being bullshitted by the seller.
I don't really understand ur question. But do mean wether it's possible to stay always online with a web'n'walk contract on the G1 without extra costs? Or do you mean wether it's possible to use the phone with web'n'walk. Both cases should be a yes.
I have a sim only contract with T-mobile. Having the Touch Diamond for a month, I thought I needed the web'n'walk deal. But just the day after it got activated I sold the Diamond. The touch resistant touchscreen and choppy WM6.1 were just too much. I now temporarely have the Samsung E900. But my costs have skyrocketed since then. I use the web alot while traveling. For the first 3 month I paid like €12,- a month. With WnW normally €20,- a month (10 for sim only and 10 for web), now is €45,- for the past each 2 month. Maybe it's me I don't know, but watch out..
It is my understanding u r going to need the data plan for $24.99 per/month. That is what I have on the G1 I have. I cancelled the data plan on my wifes G1 due to the fact she only needed it to sign in or create her gmail account to activate the phone. After her activating I promptly called T-Mo and told then I did not need the data plan on her phone because she is has wifi 99% of the time. They ( the T-Mo CSR's) told me the web and walk/ web to go will not work due to the fact that web n walk/web 2 go is not compatible with the G1, it has it's own data plan. So it would be best for you to hear it directly from them , so give them a call and see what they tell you. It will probably be the same thing. Also the web n walk/ web 2 go can get pretty expensive if you use the web much due to the plans on it being pretty pricey and could end up being just as much as the data plans for the G1.
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djind said:
I just bought the phone on Ebay as well. I hope I'm not being bullshitted by the seller.
I don't really understand ur question. But do mean wether it's possible to stay always online with a web'n'walk contract on the G1 without extra costs? Or do you mean wether it's possible to use the phone with web'n'walk. Both cases should be a yes.
I have a sim only contract with T-mobile. Having the Touch Diamond for a month, I thought I needed the web'n'walk deal. But just the day after it got activated I sold the Diamond. The touch resistant touchscreen and choppy WM6.1 were just too much. I now temporarely have the Samsung E900. But my costs have skyrocketed since then. I use the web alot while traveling. For the first 3 month I paid like €12,- a month. With WnW normally €20,- a month (10 for sim only and 10 for web), now is €45,- for the past each 2 month. Maybe it's me I don't know, but watch out..
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HI djind....
My question was that:
Case 1:
1) I bought a new G1 on ebay and not on contract for a cheap deal of £210
2) Same day I added WnW to my existing Tmobile contract
3) When I get the G1 and insert my SIM, is it equivalent to me being "permanently always on" internet or should I do something else to be "always on"
Case 2:
1) I as a new customer buy the G1 with a new 18 month contract, say Flext 30, which includes WnW along with plan
2) when I set up the phone and start using it, I am "permanently always-on" internet wherein I can receive the updates over the air as well
Is Case 1 and Case 2 equivalent?
Thanks
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js_shashi said:
HI djind....
My question was that:
Case 1:
1) I bought a new G1 on ebay and not on contract for a cheap deal of £210
2) Same day I added WnW to my existing Tmobile contract
3) When I get the G1 and insert my SIM, is it equivalent to me being "permanently always on" internet or should I do something else to be "always on"
Case 2:
1) I as a new customer buy the G1 with a new 18 month contract, say Flext 30, which includes WnW along with plan
2) when I set up the phone and start using it, I am "permanently always-on" internet wherein I can receive the updates over the air as well
Is Case 1 and Case 2 equivalent?
Thanks
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Quick answer..............no, because the G1 wnw plan is equivilant to wnw plus, the one you will be on is standard wnw.The difference is the data allowance (Standard wnw is one gig and wnw plus is 3 gig) and also the speed, wnw plus can go upto "7.2mbps" (when the network is ready, probs a couple of years lol) standard wnw can only go up to 128kbps, now you can get the g1 version of wnw on the new versions of flext and combi, so if you are on one of those then call CS and change it (for the same price!!), if your on another priceplan then your screwed lol. The only problem is if you are on a Combi PP then if you get the G1 wnw plan then you need to have if on for 18mnths or if you want to remove it you would need to pay 18 minus however many months you've had it times £5. any Q's just ask, I work for T-Mobile UK Tech Support hope this helps
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Quick answer..............no, because the G1 wnw plan is equivilant to wnw plus, the one you will be on is standard wnw.The difference is the data allowance (Standard wnw is one gig and wnw plus is 3 gig) and also the speed, wnw plus can go upto "7.2mbps" (when the network is ready, probs a couple of years lol) standard wnw can only go up to 128kbps, now you can get the g1 version of wnw on the new versions of flext and combi, so if you are on one of those then call CS and change it (for the same price!!), if your on another priceplan then your screwed lol. The only problem is if you are on a Combi PP then if you get the G1 wnw plan then you need to have if on for 18mnths or if you want to remove it you would need to pay 18 minus however many months you've had it times £5. any Q's just ask, I work for T-Mobile UK Tech Support hope this helps
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Great Response. Satisfactory reply. What you say absolutely makes sense. But is it not a kind of "cheating" and making the customer a fool when the website says a "unlimited internet" and eventually you realise that the allowance is capped to 1 GB or 3 GB.
And correct me if I am wrong, Tmobile seems to have 3 WnW plans which the public doesnt know that much really.
WnW Standard - 1 GB allowance - £7.50 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
WnW Plus - 3 Gb allowance - £12 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
WnW Max - 10 GB allowance - £22 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
Basically with G1 price plans, its the Supermax, its inclusive of everything like "real unlimited" download and wifi hotspot included also? Right Chris
Shashi
i done it i got the g1 and added web and walk free trial to my contract it works everything works except android market place it asks for age identifaction becuase it has content lock only way to remove is to phone t-mobile and i did and they said it is already removed and it not allowing me to acces it becuase i aint on g1 special tarriff
With Web'n'Walk in the UK, it's not just the caps which differ. The standard WnW prohibits any use of the phone as a modem for a PC/laptop, so no tethering. The WnW Plus allows modem use, but disallows voice over IP. The WnW Max does allow this.
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Great Response. Satisfactory reply. What you say absolutely makes sense. But is it not a kind of "cheating" and making the customer a fool when the website says a "unlimited internet" and eventually you realise that the allowance is capped to 1 GB or 3 GB.
And correct me if I am wrong, Tmobile seems to have 3 WnW plans which the public doesnt know that much really.
WnW Standard - 1 GB allowance - £7.50 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
WnW Plus - 3 Gb allowance - £12 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
WnW Max - 10 GB allowance - £22 per month (wifi hotspot charged as extra)
Basically with G1 price plans, its the Supermax, its inclusive of everything like "real unlimited" download and wifi hotspot included also? Right Chris
Shashi
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Kind of but the internet is unlimited becoz you will never be charged just restricted if you continually go over the 1Gb or 3Gb whatever one your on. (The G1 version of wnw plus has a 3gb FUP)
With reg to hotspot access,
Std Wnw its not included
WnW Plus it is included
G1 WnW Plus its Not included
and WnW max it is included
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I'm thinking of getting either the T-Mobile MDA Pro or O2 Exec in the UK. Or if I was to get an unlocked one could I use my existing sim card (not O2 or T-Mobile) which is just a voice pay as you go?
Which one have people found to be the best?- probably more interms of contract rather than function as they should be the same??
Anything I should be looking out for?
Can I assume that if you don't take the "Data download" extra then you can't use GPRS???
Also is the O2 4mB "Browse and download" a better deal than the T-Mobile "Web & Walk"? While the web&walk is unlimited it's restricted to web browsing only (no internet radio steaming!). In your usage have you found 4Mb per month be enough or shouldn't I worry.
My main use would be for occasional remote access and sending emails on the move.
Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Billuk
I'd be very suprised if 4mb was enough for internet radio streaming anyway. There is a version of Web n Walk that is designed for higher users. It's about a tenner extra (Web n Walk Pro).
Thanks for the reply.
The W&W Pro version may be overkill but as it's only a 12 month contract I can always switch or move onto a different contact if my usage doesn't match my contract.
Anyone else any other thoughts?
Are you all enjoying your Universals?
Is the T-Mobile offering the best one in the UK?
Thanks
Bill
Re: I'm planning to buy universal in UK-contract advice want
I was charged hugely (recently refunded) for one days internet streaming on O2, 32Mb it was, and was charged close to a hundred quid. I reserve it for when I'm at home on Wifi now.
Nobody touches T-Mobile for data. I'm sure the odd bit of streaming won't arouse their suspicions.
Get the T-Mobile Relax plan (12 month) with WebnWalk. Flext is 18month, you'll probably want to keep on the cutting edge of hardware in 12 months.
T-Mobile Web n Walk 3G, GPRS bundle
I am with T-mobile currently have a 3G/GPRS web bundle that lets you surf unlimited for £6.80 per month, not bad for 384k speeds when in 3G coverage. When you dont have 3G, it slips back to gprs at no extra cost.
I am under a 12-month contract with O2, which offers 200MB data flow per month at 25.99 exc. (29.7 inc.). This offer is a pure data offer and I use Nokia 6680 from 3 for voice & text. I enjoy this offer very much for its nearly unlimited access to online content if you don't download software, music and video.
i386 said:
I am under a 12-month contract with O2, which offers 200MB data flow per month at 25.99 exc. (29.7 inc.). This offer is a pure data offer and I use Nokia 6680 from 3 for voice & text. I enjoy this offer very much for its nearly unlimited access to online content if you don't download software, music and video.
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As a consumer, that deal isn't open to me, it's business only.
Sad, dark ages stuff.
since one of your thoguhts was to buy an unlocked device -
for me by far the cheapest way to own the exec was to go thorugh the 02 website I paid £150 and now £20 per month over 12 months on contract
Mostly I use wifi for all my data - there are so many unsecured / free ones, andof course at home and work I'm coverd.
Occaisionaly I use 3G and haven't had any problems/excessive bills - bound to be cheaper than pay as you go and probably if you use it infrequently cheaper than a regalur data package.
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I would go for the xda exec as you can get this from o2 direct (0nline) for £149.99 on a £19 month tariff which = £377.99 over the minimum term of your contract and my xda is unlocked (as has every other o2 phone I have had been) which means you could get an Orange PAYg sim and get unlimited GPRS access for £1 per day and use this above the 1mb you get with your o2 contract
Full details can be found on Orange's web site here: http://www.orange.co.uk/service_plans/payasyougo/extra_costs.html
Basically as long as you have some credit on your PAYG sim, all you need to do is dial 450 and select 'buy an extra' Select 'orangeworld extra' and the
£1 wil be deducted from your existing credit on your phone.
AndyChecker said:
you could get an Orange PAYg sim and get unlimited GPRS access for £1 per day and use this above the 1mb you get with your o2 contract
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"Access Orange World and send multimedia messages for less."
Is Orange World unrestricted Internet Access? If so, Wow.
Why the hell are O2 so expensive for their data, if I can get unlimited data from ORange for £30/mth.
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Yeah Orange is - you pay your £1 and you have ulimited access for that day (starts and ends at midnight)
Loads of people have been using it but not many people know about it hence my post here and on my forum
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Yeah Orange is - you pay your £1 and you have ulimited access for that day (starts and ends at midnight)
Loads of people have been using it but not many people know about it hence my post here and on my forum
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UK orange world is full internet and UK Tmob WnW is just http? Wow, talk about reverse worlds.
In the Netherlands, Tmobile WnW at 10 euros a month (6-7 quid) is unrestricted traffic, unrestricted internet, proxyfree -- just that on the UMTS/HSDPA network your connection speed is (supposed to be? may not be atm) limited to 64 kbit/s maximum rather than full UMTS.
Whereas Orange World is http-only through a proxy, costs 6 euros a month unlimited traffic, with regular internet traffic being charged by the meg.
There has been an ongoing sporadic discussion regarding the best data plan in the UK, with the suggestions that T-Mobile (who have HSDPA but only 84% coverage) and Orange (who are expected to announce £8pcm unlimited internet) are the cheapest.
I have just spoken to O2 as my contract with them is coming to an end. Their retentions department says that they have realised that they are no longer competitive on data and will be making an announcement in the next month or so (it was suppiosed to be by the end of this month), with a view to offering more competitive data allowances - presumably to compete with T-Mobile.
they already do £10/month unlimited data but they don't shout about it.
"blackberry unlimited monthly roaming"
from 3g.co.uk/3gforum they say its £10 for 20mb on o2. Rip off.
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig) or
£10 (sign up for 12 months and u get a free slingbox!!) for slingbox and orb on the move as well as your gig data.
I got a crap phone (LG u300) so i got half price line rental for 18 months and put the sim in my xda exec.
I'm paying: £27.50 a month for 18 months which gets me:
£17.50 (hplr) 300 mins, 1000 texts a month
£10 x-series gold which gives me:
80 hours orb & slingbox use (more than 2.5 hours a day!)
5000 skype minutes (more than 2.6 hours a day!)
1gb data
Unbeatable tbh!! i'm just setting up my 3g settings (if i can find them) and I've just setup my slingbox, sky tv on the move!! plus my music/videos on my pc through orb!! how awesome!!
3 ftw!
You guys think thats a rip off, be glad your not in canada? $1 CDN = 0.454 GBP.
Canada Data Plans
10 GBP = $22... for $25 we get 3MB
O2 Unlimited Blackberry roaming
Be careful
O2's blackberry unlimited roaming doesnt include data , just email - the only one the unlimited is on is a RIM Blackberry device, blackberry connect devices which the xda exec is does not include it.
I took out a contract with CPW O2 (Car phone warehouse managed the aaccount but the same conditions apply) and was sold the unlimited blackberry bundle, I noticed that my online credit allowance was going down when I queried this I was advised that the charge was for data and I had run up £30 (the unlimited £10 pm brings down the mb charge to £1 per meg)
I fought this and was advised that I was mis sold the item , as I love my xda and also have paid for the insurance policy via the CPW which allows a cancellation of contract as 6 months on a 18 month policy I have stook with it.
I could have got a blackberry 8800 but I use tomtom and the blackberry doesnt support this and I dont like the blackberry maps.
Be careful when asking for the unlimited roaming as it is not what it seems - I have found out to my cost , I use wifi at home on the phone so im not bothered about the internet whilst out ....
The plus's outweigh the negatives !!
stualpha said:
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig)
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So if there is a 1GB cap, where does the unlimited part come in?
they advertise it as unlimited, as soon as you hit 1gig they don't just stop the service, you get a SMS alert to warn you of approaching the limit, then if you continue to "abuse" the service they restrict it.
So it's not a cap per se but more of a fair usage policy. But in all fairness the other mobile carriers do the same. 1 gig on a phone is a lot of data though! that doesn't count towards the slingbox or orb usage either!
T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.
I just got mine on an upgrade. But i only got a 2gb card. No biggy. IMO the phone is great.
Its got a 528mhz processor
192mb ram
256mb rom
3mp camera
Bluetooth
wifi
gps
compas
accelerometer
Comes with a wired headset (usb connection, u can get a usb to 3.5mm adapter if you want to use a better headphones)
Battery life is ok. If your a heavy user of internet its going to drain the battery quick. Ive been charging twice a day when i use it alot. You can get a higher capacity battery aswell. Though its possible theres still a few bugs thats causing battery loss.
Dont have everything on all the time.
Its permenantly connected to the internet. Browsing speed is respectable and the browser is nice.
The hardware is great. We just need software to go with it. At the moment it only supports bluetooth headset. But that will change with new updates.
No virtual keyboard, but again thats coming aswell.
Gmail is great on it.
Text messaging works, though mms doesnt support videos and i dont think you can save to SD yet.
Theres still alot of support to add yet. pdf word etc
If your willing to put up with some missing features then its a great phone.
When you get it, its probably be on rc7. Youll get a notification of a new update. If you want to keep root access dont install it. rc8 update fixes the root access and isnt reversible at the moment.
If you no what your doing with linux terminal commands, id install the modified rc8 update that keeps root access, its explained in the development thread.
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T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.
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Do you know what minutes and messages you get on that?
I'm on the £40 one which allows you to spend £250 a month but i'll probably never use that so going down a level might be good for me...
Audiofreq said:
Do you know what minutes and messages you get on that?
I'm on the £40 one which allows you to spend £250 a month but i'll probably never use that so going down a level might be good for me...
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from what I've been told, you can't go down the price plan till you come to upgrade so you're stuck on what you've got unfortunatly.
the £30/month is either ther combi 25 + web'n'walk plus(£25/month + £5 for the web'n'walk. 300mins, 600texts) or the flext 30 + free web'n'walk plus(£30/month, £140 to spend a month). I tempted to get the flext 30 but also got my eye on the touch hd so not fully decided yet.
Ive just picked up the £30 a month combi plan from carphone warehouse. Got a 2gb memory card with it, not fussed about that. Really pleased with the phone so far, shame I was so hasty about upgrading. No root access for now .
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T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.
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Hi there mate, on the wnw plus for the G1 you dont get unlimited hotspot
access because it's a promotional feature. You do get it usually but not with this Only know this because I work for T-Mobile
that sucks. do you think they coukd be persuaded to give in on that?
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saffyreuk said:
that sucks. do you think they coukd be persuaded to give in on that?
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No mate because of the way it would have to be set up on the account the features arent compatible
Its only a tenner for unlimited hotspot access which you can use on BTOZ's too.
10 a month? or a one off payment? i doubt i would use it very often and i have 3g. cant say it would be worth 10 a month but it would be nice on occasion.
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10 a month? or a one off payment? i doubt i would use it very often and i have 3g. cant say it would be worth 10 a month but it would be nice on occasion.
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Yeah 10 a month, would be good if you were in starbucks a lot
yeah exactly. with the speed of 3g now i guess the main benefit would be saving on usage allowence.
still shame its not included, kind of annoying as i had assumed it had (my fault obv).
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saffyreuk said:
yeah exactly. with the speed of 3g now i guess the main benefit would be saving on usage allowence.
still shame its not included, kind of annoying as i had assumed it had (my fault obv).
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Dont worry about your data becoz if your in the UK (which i assume u are) then you dont have a data allowance, you have whats called a Fair use policy (or FUP) basiclly this means that you will never be charged for data with the WnW Plus feature, the only thing that may happen is if you go over your 3Gig FUP for 3 months in a row you will get a letter sent to u asking to reduce your usage and if you still go over it your speeds will be reduced to 64kbps for 2-4 weeks.
If you then go over it once more (were now up to 6/7 months in a row!!) it will be permanently reduced to 64 kbps or you can upgrade to the max version (about 20 quid per month extra) which gives a 10Gig FUP.
All i'm really saying is dont worry about it !! Surf away. (Untill you recieve a letter )
It actually isn't £30pm. Its £35pm. that's because the WnW if £5pm extra and you NEED it as the phone is an internet phone. Mines on that deal for 700 mins and unlimited txts, unlimited browsing.
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It actually isn't £30pm. Its £35pm. that's because the WnW if £5pm extra and you NEED it as the phone is an internet phone. Mines on that deal for 700 mins and unlimited txts, unlimited browsing.
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the £30/month plans are the combi 25(£25/month + 5 for the w'n'p plus, 300mins, 600text(300texts if bought in store)) & the flext 30(£30/month + free w'n'w plus, £140 allowance to spend on mins, texts etc).
chris are you sure you can't use the t-mobile hotspots for free? the guy at my local store told me that you could(using the wifi on the g1, obv not on a laptop, ipod touch or other wifi capable device).
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the £30/month plans are the combi 25(£25/month + 5 for the w'n'p plus, 300mins, 600text(300texts if bought in store)) & the flext 30(£30/month + free w'n'w plus, £140 allowance to spend on mins, texts etc).
chris are you sure you can't use the t-mobile hotspots for free? the guy at my local store told me that you could(using the wifi on the g1, obv not on a laptop, ipod touch or other wifi capable device).
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Yeah am sure, even if you did get it there is no way they can tell if your using a g1 or a pc while using the hotspot. Go back to ur shop and tell the guy to check his facts !
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Yeah am sure, even if you did get it there is no way they can tell if your using a g1 or a pc while using the hotspot. Go back to ur shop and tell the guy to check his facts !
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I don't have a g1 yet(not fully decided yet, also looking at the touch hd), but wanted to check if the t-mobiles hotspots are included with the g1 plan.
looking on the forums on t-mobile.com(usa site)link if you download this hotspot app you can connect to the hotspot(tho reading that thread it seemed hit & miss, i.e. some people were able to others not able to), just wondered if there was a similar thing for the uk. I don't really travel much so its not really a big deal for me(don't think I'll be using up the 3gb fup anyway) but would have been nice to have.
if I was to put the sim into another non-g1 phone(be it t-mobile or sim-free), what is the fup on the internet in that case(1gb or still 3gb)? also will there be any problems making calls, texting etc? I currently don't have a job but if I was to start I might be putting the sim into another phone as I wouldn't want to loose the g1(places like sainsburys, toys r us don't like you to keep your phone on you during work and want you to leave it in the staff room).
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I don't have a g1 yet(not fully decided yet, also looking at the touch hd), but wanted to check if the t-mobiles hotspots are included with the g1 plan.
looking on the forums on t-mobile.com(usa site)link if you download this hotspot app you can connect to the hotspot(tho reading that thread it seemed hit & miss, i.e. some people were able to others not able to), just wondered if there was a similar thing for the uk. I don't really travel much so its not really a big deal for me(don't think I'll be using up the 3gb fup anyway) but would have been nice to have.
if I was to put the sim into another non-g1 phone(be it t-mobile or sim-free), what is the fup on the internet in that case(1gb or still 3gb)? also will there be any problems making calls, texting etc? I currently don't have a job but if I was to start I might be putting the sim into another phone as I wouldn't want to loose the g1(places like sainsburys, toys r us don't like you to keep your phone on you during work and want you to leave it in the staff room).
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No T-Mob UK doesnt have anything like that mate
But you can use the sim in another fone and use the web free of charge as its your sim that has the feature on it - not specific to the fone
Well they don't make it very easy to find out what the difference is between web'n'walk, web'n'walk Plus and web'n'walk MAX, but on the info about hotspots it says:
WiFi HotSpot included in Mobile Broadband Plans
New customers that sign up to web'n'walk Max, Plus, or Plus Daily* can now enjoy WiFi access in any of our HotSpots across the UK. So on top of 3G coverage across the country, unlimited WiFi Hotspots are included in the price - in places where you need WiFi the most, such as airports, hotels and Starbucks.
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-laptop/free-wifi/
This was what I'd always understood about the Plus option- that it sanctions tethering and let's you use hotspots.
My current contract ends next month, and since it doesn't look like the UK is getting the Vario IV, I might just go for one of these.
And the T-Mobile 3G coverage is tremendous where I live, on my Vario II whenever I connect for data I get a nice little H symbol and a fast download speed, strangely, the coverage in Newcastle (upon Tyne, the real Newcastle!) the connection can be a bit hit and miss
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patp said:
Well they don't make it very easy to find out what the difference is between web'n'walk, web'n'walk Plus and web'n'walk MAX, but on the info about hotspots it says:
WiFi HotSpot included in Mobile Broadband Plans
New customers that sign up to web'n'walk Max, Plus, or Plus Daily* can now enjoy WiFi access in any of our HotSpots across the UK. So on top of 3G coverage across the country, unlimited WiFi Hotspots are included in the price - in places where you need WiFi the most, such as airports, hotels and Starbucks.
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-laptop/free-wifi/
This was what I'd always understood about the Plus option- that it sanctions tethering and let's you use hotspots.
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The standard plus option doesn't but because your getting the g1 plus option for a fiver (or free on flext) it isn't included as it is a promo !
It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.
I use TMobile in the Midlands and have no problem with voice and data reception, still waiting for my HD2 to arrive so cant comment if the reception is any better or worse than my Kaiser
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It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.
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The 500Mb FUP is the reason I left Orange when I had an Omnia HD. Stupid limit.
T-Mobile are excellent - even though they didnt work out for me - heres why:
I went in to get a HTC Hero - did the Street Check online - had excellent coverage and good 3G coverage. Got a great contract and the staff were very good. Got home - which is in a little town called leek (just outside Stoke) and had no 3g coverage at all. Left it a few days just in case it sprung to life then rang customer services. The very nice lady told me they have two versions of the coverage checker - one for customers and one for their Techies - the Techie one showed zero 3G coverage even though the online street check showed good coverage.
The T-mobile guys were great and I returned the phone no fuss - but be wary of the street checker - ring them to double check. There network seemed excellent and they will soon be merged with Orange who have a significant 3G network. If I had coverage I would defo go with T-mobile...
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I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
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T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
I just went with Vodafone as the T-Mobile signal is poor where I live. Almost went with O2 as there have the same Fair Usage Policy as T-Mobile but the Vodafone have a pay as you go option which is a max of 50p per day with a limit of 25 Meg. As I would not use my Phone for internet all that much it is the best option for me. As I don’t need to pay an extra £7.50 a month but can us it when ever I want and not pay through the noise for it.
For myself, the benefits of Vodafone, outweigh the downside of having only 500MB of data. I've never gone over my data for the month, and find it quite hard usually, to go over 15MB a day (roughly what 500MB is over the month). I use SPB Wireless Monitor to keep track of it.
It is nice to hear that Vodafone might be increasing this limit tho.
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T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.
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T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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I have standard TMobile web and walk and can use MSN Messenger with no problems
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lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.
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All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.
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All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.
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Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.
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Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.
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My point is that if you pay the advertised price for a T-Mobile phone you will not get Web'n'Walk Plus (unless it's a G1 or a G2, which are special cases). You get the Plus version if you pay £5 more per month than the advertised price. If the purpose that you want to use the connection for requires one of the ports that is blocked on the standard service, you need to be aware of this.
The discussion started because someone suggested that a 3GB limit is standard on T-Mobile, and it isn't - it's only standard if you buy a G1 or a G2. Otherwise it costs extra. You could reasonably argue that T-Mobile's upgraded package is better than other carriers' upgraded packages, but we need to make sure that people who decide to buy (say) an HD2 from T-Mobile aren't expecting to get the "Plus" package without playing extra for it.
I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).
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I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).
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With O2 you can't tether to your laptop
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How does Mobile Broadband Plus work?
As well as basic browsing and emailing, you'll be able to take full advantage of what the web has to offer, which means you can:
Send instant messages - chat with your friends in real-time
Stream video - watch clips on YouTube
Update your blog - write when inspiration strikes
Download - save and view music, image and movie files
How does Mobile Broadband Max work?
It's exactly the same as web'n'walk Plus except you can use voice over the internet (VoIP) software, such as Skype and Jajah.com, which allows you to make phone calls and instant message with people all over the world.
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Also with T-mobile you build your own package, so not sure what is advertised The final cost of the total bill determines the handset price. Which is why I've always had W&W Plus and never paid more than a standard £35 pm contract.
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Then allow me to enlighten you. If you go, for example here:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p27241.aspx#tabsAnchor
you will see an HD2 for sale on contract with T-Mobile. It costs £35 a month, 18-month contract, phone is free, it gives you 700 minutes, "unlimited texts", and "unlimited mobile web". Do you imagine that this deal will give you Web'n'Walk Plus? Obviously, it won't. If you see a T-Mobile deal advertised as "unlimited internet" or "unlimited web", then what that means is that if you pay the amount of money mentioned in the advert, you will get the basic Web'n'Walk package. If you want the "Plus" package then you will have to pay another £5 per month over and above the cost of "unlimited web" to get it.
T-Mobile's own advertising is similar: if you want Web'n'Walk Plus you have to pay £5 a month more than you have to pay for the same phone with the standard Internet package.
Now seriously, this discussion is getting boring, so let's leave it at that.
Never had a problem with T-Mo, even the 2 months I went over 1GB (only by a hundred MB or so). Didn't even hear from them. On the other hand the only horror stories I've read with people getting enormous over-data charges (both local and roaming) have ALL been with Vodafone.
Data was slow at times a year ago but seems ok now. I also get far better reception at home & work on T-Mo with poor/no reception last time I was on Voda, but that's obviously a local issue and will vary, but it was a deciding factor for me..
Likewise despite the T&Cs saying messenger isn't allowed on the baic service, I've always been able to get on no problem.
recently tmobile had a promotional offer which ended in febuary pay and go £10 top up unlimited txt n web.i got the sim because i use it as modem on my shift i can access many sites the only problem i have is msn i dont know if w7 is causing the issue of signing in or tmobile.but when i use the sim on my hd2 msn works fine as long as i untick proxy.i discoverd if the proxy is ticked the auto update of email dosent work or msn so i unticked it.i have used the tmobile sim from streaming to large file downloads they havnt complained although they do have a slower connection then o2.i stopped using o2 they started complaining then they barded me.
i used tmobile sim as modem for few months i think i used more then 3gb
If you go over your plan limit then T-mobile will throttle your usage between 16.00 and 00.00 (midnight) by restricting your access to gprs speed for certain connections (streaming of video is barred etc).
Other than that it's business as usual.
looking at buying the desire HD before the new policy changes take effect in a few days... but i heard something saying that only android phones bought direct from Tmobile will be eligible for 3GB allowance and HSDPA connection speeds?
I have looked at Tmobile prices and frankly there rediculous...
Is there no way to buy cheaper through a 3rd party seller and still get the 3GB and fast connection speeds?
I did find 1 3rd party seller who states on the page itself ..
`*Fair use policy applies to Unlimited Internet: so you get up to 1GB with standard phones and and when you get the Internet flexible booster; up to 3GB with Andriod phones and 50MB with the BlackBerry email booster.`
so now im wondering if they just dont know about the 3rd party seller restrictions?
thanks for any help...... desperate to get it sorted before the 500mb comes into force,,
What prices have you seen? The t mobile prices seem very reasonable to me...
I forgot to mention, its always worth calling them and asking them to please you. It can help if you are an old customer, but not always! I have 900 mins, 500 texts, 3gb net, and two flexible boosters (ultd texts and ultd landline calls) for about 30 quid a month
As of today if you buy a T-Mobile contract which is non-Android (give away is that they sell the "unlimited broadband" via a free booster you will have a 1GB FUP but more importantly your data speed is capped to 360Kbps.
I had this "problem" when I bought my DHD from mobiles.co.uk. However a quick call to T-Mobile to log a "fault" with my mobile data saw me moved happily onto the standard Android setup - ie where a booster is not used for the unlimited broadband.
direct with T-mobile , they give you the 3GB on top for android phones, still got your booster to use.
3rd party, they use the booster for the basic unlimited 1gb internet.
Note, go via quidco, as new direct t-mobile contracts pays you £80 back.
i think direct works out the same if you take into account the extra booster and use / need it. For me the £5 euro talk and text saves me a few quid, as i pop into the eurozone a fair bit.
my contracts up for renewal on the 24th, so gotta get it sorted before 1st feb too, or ill have to go to 3
Giffgaff.com unlimited data unlimited texts 200min that's all for 10£
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Giffgaff.com unlimited data unlimited texts 200min that's all for 10£
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just had a look, ( 250mins now btw ) they are a sim only provider, so not that great a deal compared to contracts when looking at 24 months with a phone deals.
Looking for 500/600ish mins per month, and giffgaffs £20pm x24 £480 not much more with tmobile and ill get a DHD oh and some euro calls.
Nice if you allready have a decent phone tho
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After another phone call to Tmob.. retentions offerdf me there best price for the DHD,,, was a joke,,, basicly 40 quid a month... the same deal any normal new customer can buy it for from the website.... needless to say i declined..
Phoned back laster to ask about the 3rd party reseller thing and the 3gb/faster data speeds... and was told that yes... if i buy my phone from somewhere like CPW or MPD.. it would only have the standard 1gb and slower data connection speed..... if bought from tmob them i would have 3gb/faster data connection as standard.... but ,, 40 quid??
After a few more questions she also mentioned that `official` 3rd party Tmob resellers also would have the 3gb/fast data on there android contracts..
I didnt even know of such places.... but phoned 1 this morning... and got a great deal on an upgrade...
Basicly 600 mins... 500 texts.. 3gb allowance with extra booster of my choice...(unlimited land line calls).. for £25 a month (although had to pay 30 quid up front for the DHD)
well pleased with that
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kBasicly 600 mins... 500 texts.. 3gb allowance with extra booster of my choice...(unlimited land line calls).. for £25 a month (although had to pay 30 quid up front for the DHD)
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who did you get that from?????
Daz555 said:
As of today if you buy a T-Mobile contract which is non-Android (give away is that they sell the "unlimited broadband" via a free booster you will have a 1GB FUP but more importantly your data speed is capped to 360Kbps.
I had this "problem" when I bought my DHD from mobiles.co.uk. However a quick call to T-Mobile to log a "fault" with my mobile data saw me moved happily onto the standard Android setup - ie where a booster is not used for the unlimited broadband.
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I got my DHD from mobiles.co.uk just under 2 weeks ago but i haven't yet used the new sim card. Once i start using it next month am i likely to be restricted or should i be ok since i got it almost 2 weeks ago?
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I got my DHD from mobiles.co.uk just under 2 weeks ago but i haven't yet used the new sim card. Once i start using it next month am i likely to be restricted or should i be ok since i got it almost 2 weeks ago?
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Probably restricted, I was when I first received mine from mobiles.co.uk. As said above though, just give t-mob a call and explain your internet is slower than expected, as long as you get a decent enough/stupid enough operator they should upgrade you to the full 3gb and release an extra add-on. I did exactly this, she didn't query where I bought the phone from and simply said "oh yes, looks like someone messed up on your order, i'll change that to unlimited internet now which also free's up a booster for you, which would you like?" Sorted.
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who did you get that from?????
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Place online called Chitterchatter,,,, i had never heard of em untill the Tmobile rep told me they were a accepted reseller.... glad i tried em
Know the shops, they are T-Mobile only highstreet sellers
And walked passed one an hour ago, may pop back Monday
my deal was for an upgrade,,,,, but they still do a crackin deal on a new contract too,,
FREE Screen Protector and Car Holder with HTC Desire HD
* 900 minutes
* 500 texts
* £30 per month 24 month contract
* Handset Free
i woulda went with this if they hadnt sorted out the £25pm line rental...
couldn't do that deal for me wanted £125 on top for the phone,
went direct with T-mobile in the end.
£30.64 per month 24months = £735.36 !
900min
500 texts
3GB internet
And euro booster
phone cost £0
Similar deal here when I upgraded on T-Mobile a few weeks ago. After calling 150 and telling them all the upgrade deals on their website sucked, they tempted me to stay with £30 p/m, free Desire HD, 600 any time / any network minutes, unlimited texts (with booster) and I'm still on the 3GB data plan. The best bit is they had no phones in stock so let me pick one up from my local Car Phone Warehouse... so it was unlocked and unbranded
I've taken my from third party reseller few months a go. (It was normal desire but I've sold it and bought dhd)
Sent email to tmobile after purchase that my internet is slow and received txt that I've used 80% of my allowance (by 3g watchdog i've used only 800mb)
They fixed that gave me 3gb allowance and hsdpa speed but didn't leave me a extra booster. My miss is in Italy and I had to ring her so decided to call tmobile first and tell them I can't pick my free booster. Guy over the phone put a booster for me and what is better reset my together rewards (i've used it few days a go).
So now I have normal plan like I would buy it directly from tmobile and what's better for £25 I have:
900min
600txt
3gb internet
Booster
Desire HD
Wicked!!!
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