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iGuidance 3 issues

Well, first off let me say I have just upgraded from iGuidance 2 to iGuidance 3. iG 3 is about 8 MB bigger than iG2 and therefore I had to install it on my mini SD card. It works perfectly fine, loads seems to be just as fast (since maps are stored on the mini SD with either program. Anyway, my problem is basically that the program works great, but when the lady comes on telling me when to turn, lets say in 2 miles...it is REEEEAAAALLLY slow and exhagerated. She goes like, Turn.........left..........in........two........miles...... I recently started overclocking my 8125 to 260 MHz to see if it was a speed issue, but no change as far as the sound goes. Any ideas?

turn off your internet connection and you should be OK
DNO

IGuidance 3
Runs fine for me, at stock speed, program and maps on the mini-SD. Maybe it is the overclocking?
- Tim

I have Iguidance 3.0. Now I need the GPS module.
Which GPS module do you all use? What is the best now? Holux, Globalsat? or some other.
Thanks
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i use the Rikaline GPS-6033 Bluetooth from buygpsnow.com its $89
picks up 32 sats works indoors and its fast at cold startup locks on to sats
in under 30 seconds i use tomtom and iguidance 3

Re: IGuidance 3
Tim Fountain said:
Runs fine for me, at stock speed, program and maps on the mini-SD. Maybe it is the overclocking?
- Tim
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I tried it at stock speeds and overclocked speeds, it still did the same thing. I'll try turning off my ActiveSync with my Exchange later today when I'm going on a small road trip and see if that solves the problem.

jschaff said:
I have Iguidance 3.0. Now I need the GPS module.
Which GPS module do you all use? What is the best now? Holux, Globalsat? or some other.
Thanks
[email protected]
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I use the Holux GPSlim 360 I think it is. The number may be off though. It's uber small and I just throw it in the center console in my car and use it when necessary. Cold start is about 30-45 seconds.

The Rikaline GPS-6033 does not show to be SirfIII. I thought this is the latest technology to get. Is this a more recent technology or is the SirfIII over blown?

I brought this to the attention of iNavcorp, makers of iGuidance, a few weeks ago. This was their reply:
"Our programmers are currently looking into this issue. In the mean time, while turning off the phone will resolve the issue, based on our knowledge, you should be able to simply disable the gprs (wireless data connection) function on your PPC phone which will also resolve the slow voice issue, but this way you will still have phone access."
I had told them that turning off the phone solves the problem. Anyway, they are aware, and I am hopeful that they will fix this in an upcoming patch.
p.s. DNO's answer was right on...

jschaff said:
The Rikaline GPS-6033 does not show to be SirfIII. I thought this is the latest technology to get. Is this a more recent technology or is the SirfIII over blown?
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SiRFstarIII is amazing. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I use the Holux GPSlim 360 I think it is. The number may be off though. It's uber small and I just throw it in the center console in my car and use it when necessary. Cold start is about 30-45 seconds.
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It is the GPSlim 236 and it is a great unit! I love mine.

The voice on mine works great, I could not get it to instal to the SD, I had to install the CAB there, and then run that to install the actual program to the phone. My problem is that the maps haven't been updated with streets that have been made in the last few years, and the shopping POIs arn't that great.
I have a Houlix 268 slim (I Think thats the model), and it randomly loses connection, so I have to power-cycle it and restart IG3, for it to regain connection.
Also every once and a while it does a wierd click sound when I'm slowing down.

mm_thor said:
I brought this to the attention of iNavcorp, makers of iGuidance, a few weeks ago. This was their reply:
"Our programmers are currently looking into this issue. In the mean time, while turning off the phone will resolve the issue, based on our knowledge, you should be able to simply disable the gprs (wireless data connection) function on your PPC phone which will also resolve the slow voice issue, but this way you will still have phone access."
I had told them that turning off the phone solves the problem. Anyway, they are aware, and I am hopeful that they will fix this in an upcoming patch.
p.s. DNO's answer was right on...
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I did notice this was the issue this weekend. Is there a "quick" way to disable GPRS? I guess i'll keep an eye on iNavcorps website.

Turn it off from the comm manager. Mine works fine while I am using BT for my headset and on the phone talking.

Do iGuidance do maps for Europe? THey seem to have discontinued their european product; if I can get the europe map from v.2.12 will it work with v.3.0?
Cheers.

GPS - any suggestions?

Loving my new O2 XDA Mini S, and am gonna get GPS SatNav thingy for it - I can get a 2GB Mini SD card for £25, but can someone recommend a good GPS Bluetooth receiver that works well with it (I'm in the UK). Is sirfIII better than sirfII chips? Do I need 32 channel or is 16 fine?
Also what software do you guys recommend? TomTom? iGuidance? iGo? All I'm really interested in something with spoken directions and something that lets me type in 2 post codes and Go!
What version of TomTom is applicable to the XDA Mini? TomTom Mobile? TomTom Navigator?
Is 6 worthwhile or is 5.21 ok?
Is it easy to install?
Sorry for all the questions, just excited about the prospect of SatNav

Hi there, welcome to the world of the Wizard, :lol:
As far as GPS chipsets go, I think the SirfstarIII is better but I can't be sure.
I always got on very well with a 16 channel BT GPS before it broke so dont be fooled by loads of hype about how many channels it has.
More channels does mean it can lock on to more at once but it isn't absolutely necessary.
Tomtom 5.21 is good enough but I feel personally that 6 is better. Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Other than that, there are ways around it, it's up to you.
Hope that helps a bit

Jerry-S said:
Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Hope that helps a bit
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Sorry i disagree with that, it may not have it i the programm but i have my mic button set to switch between Land and Port. I just press that button and it works good in land!!!
To set a button Start, Setting, buttons, select you button at 1. and then select <Rotate screen> at 2.
and now you have landscape for Tomtom 6.0

The holux GPSlim 236 is a very good device, Sirf III so great reception and its tiny.
as has already been said, more channels isnt better, while there are loads of satellites up there due to the curv of the earth you will NEVER get more than 10 sats at once, Ive had 9 and thats the most my device sees.
You also only need 3 to get a lock. 4 gives your position in 3d (so altitude as well) and more doesnt really do much. So any 12 channel reciever is good. But yeah, aim for SIRF III, the quicker lock on and better reception in built up areas is a must.
Im currently using Tomtom 6 and its the latest and greatest. If your getting tomtom then obviously get 6, its actually cheaper than 5 (even cheaper if you know where to look )
I tried route 66 but its too much, Im a techie myself but this program is just stupid, giving you all sorts of useless info on screen and very little map.

funman said:
Jerry-S said:
Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Hope that helps a bit
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Sorry i disagree with that, it may not have it i the programm but i have my mic button set to switch between Land and Port. I just press that button and it works good in land!!!
To set a button Start, Setting, buttons, select you button at 1. and then select <Rotate screen> at 2.
and now you have landscape for Tomtom 6.0
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Other than that, there are ways around it, it's up to you.
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Disagree with what???
And on that score, if you want to sacrifice your recording button, the next option, "Button 4 (Hold)", assign that to the Tomtom Navigator program and hey presto.

Yes, I have "purchased" TomTom 6 already at an, erm, "good" price, with GB maps.
I'm gonna get a 2GB mini SD when I get paid, and a GPS receiver.
So am I right in thinking ANY Bluetooth sirfIII receiver will do?
Also is it easy to set up? I've read some scary (to me anyway!) stories about registry hacking etc on the XDA Mini S to get it to recognise GPS receivers.

Paiting a BT GPS is easy - just ensure that the name you give it ends in "GPS"..... then TomTom will connect to it .
That was valid for 5.32 - haven't tried 6 yet..
Charlie Grillo

cgrillo said:
Paiting a BT GPS is easy - just ensure that the name you give it ends in "GPS"..... then TomTom will connect to it .
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I wasn't aware that you could rename the connection! Hows that done then?

markmcrobie said:
What version of TomTom is applicable to the XDA Mini? TomTom Mobile? TomTom Navigator?
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To answer the question, the pda version is Tomtom Navigator.
Mobile runs on 'phones'. By that I mean units that do not have a touchscreen.
Well thats my interpretation anyway. I have Tomtom 5 Mobile on a Nokia 7610. i.e. It doesn't have a touchscreen.

I decided to purposefully disregard price for the GPS and got a USGlobalsatBT359. It cost £75.
The reception is fantastic. I can get 8 or 10 sats at high strength if I stick the unit on the underside of the car roof. My TomTom Go barely picks anything up.
The start up time and battery life are great. Just needed to tweak the WM5 registry of the Vario2.
The only thing I don`t understand is the GPS control panel!!!! It does not seem to do much!!!!

And on that score, if you want to sacrifice your recording button, the next option, "Button 4 (Hold)", assign that to the Tomtom Navigator program and hey presto.
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What i've done on mine is assign that button to the voice commander thing so I can run multiple actions by voice by holding in the button.
Not perfect but I found that assigning TT to just one button then left me wanting other things at other times.
David.

I have a Holux (not HOLOX - cheap copy) 20 channel BT GPSlim 236 receiver which is great. A 32 channel receiver may well mean you stand a slightly better chance of picking up satelites but there isn't 32 satelites up there anyway.
The system works by triangulation meaning you only need three to get a lock on your position. The more you see the better though as the lock will be stronger. Many will tell you that due to the curvature of the earth you can only ever pick up 6 satelites maximum, but I happen to disagree.
Tomtom 5.21 is great, got it the other day and I found my way home first time... lol.!
Matt.
p.s Don't forget that GPS works using US military satelites, so if the US feels a bit twitchy i.e. either someone is about to pick on them or vice versa then they can change the coordinates of the satelites meaning over a distance you won't have a clue where you are!!

justinmg said:
The only thing I don`t understand is the GPS control panel!!!! It does not seem to do much!!!!
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Yeah it does but you might not need it.
Say you've got TT talking to the GPS on COM7, that's fine until you now need another app also talking to the GPS at the same time. It can't because the GPS is already talking to TT like a pair of housewives that haven't seen each other for, oh about a day! (ok, nothing like a bit of evil stereotyping eh?).
What the GPS control panel lets you do is share the GPS between multiple apps. You configure the GPS CP to talk to the real GPS via the hardware port number and then create a software GPS port.
You now configure your apps to talk to the software GPS port and the GPS port driver abstracts the real GPS port and sends the data to all the interested apps.
Like I said, you might not need it unless you want multiple apps to talk to the GPS at once. Why might you want to have multiple apps? One example could be a track data logger running at the same time as the satnav.
Or another might be Wififofum doing a wifi wardrive at the same time as running Tom Tom for satnav.
David.

Get the Holux GPSlim 236 and iGuidance 3. Bundled together it's $169 from buygpsnow.com and includes a free Arkon vent mount. I couldn't be happier!
Here's the bundle: Link to bundle on buygpsnow.com

andy3000 said:
Get the Holux GPSlim 236 and iGuidance 3. Bundled together it's $169 from buygpsnow.com and includes a free Arkon vent mount. I couldn't be happier!
Here's the bundle: Link to bundle on buygpsnow.com
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I got the same bundle and I love it.

looks like some people have had problems with teh Houlk 236 over at gpspassion.com
I just got a Globalsat 338 and its awesome!! Huge improvement over the SIRFII based CF card GPS I had for my old ipaq.
I also 2nd iguidance. Its cheaper than tomtom5. I don't know which I like more, they both different things well (but Iguidance sure loads faster than tomtom for me). I'm looking forward to trying tomtom6 to see if its a huge improvement

looks like some people have had problems with the Holux 236 over at gpspassion.com. Might have been a bad batch but I steered clear. Hopefully no one here is affected by them.
I just got a Globalsat 338 and its awesome!! Huge improvement over the SIRFII based CF card GPS I had for my old ipaq.
I also 2nd iguidance. Its cheaper than tomtom5. I don't know which I like more, they both different things well (but Iguidance sure loads faster than tomtom for me). I'm looking forward to trying tomtom6 to see if its a huge improvement.
-edited because I type like a 1st grader

I would never buy Holux ever there technical support is arrogant and rubish they turned round and said sorry we dont support the item unless it was purchased from the uk
And would not send me the firmware to flash my gps230 so its now sat in a drawer doing nothing and i have a cheap £40 one thats brilliant BT-GPS
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8590.htm

GPS settings

What GPS settings do I have to use to get TomTom 6 or Route66 working?
Thanks in advance,
Peter
(T-Mobile Ameo)

pgerr said:
What GPS settings do I have to use to get TomTom 6 or Route66 working?
Thanks in advance,
Peter
(T-Mobile Ameo)
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set it to COM 5, and set to other bluetooth device.

gps is fast?
whichever minutes in having the first signal?
thank you.

hx4700spain said:
gps is fast?
whichever minutes in having the first signal?
thank you.
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i am going out to test the GPS now, will post later

please
gps is fast?
whichever minutes in having the first signal?
thank you.

hx4700spain said:
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gps is fast?
whichever minutes in having the first signal?
thank you.
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3 mins on the first signal setup

ok thank you.
this is with tomtom or igo ?

hx4700spain said:
ok thank you.
this is with tomtom or igo ?
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this is with TomTom

in cold it takes three minutes?
but in hot?

hx4700spain said:
in cold it takes three minutes?
but in hot?
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That was in hot by the way, didn't try cold, should be quicker than 3 mins

in hot it is less time not than in cold that gps needs but time to find satellite for the first time not?

hx4700spain said:
in hot it is less time not than in cold that gps needs but time to find satellite for the first time not?
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sorry, when you say cold and hot, what do you mean?

in cold it means that it is the first time that takes satellite after a soft reset and in hot second or third time that takes satellite. how long in cold and hot?
thank you.

hx4700spain said:
in cold it means that it is the first time that takes satellite after a soft reset and in hot second or third time that takes satellite. how long in cold and hot?
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oh, ok, so first time is about 3 mins, after is about 2 mins, but i must say i only tested once. And i can't test anymore now because my mini-sd is broken!!!! Can not format it in anyway, so until my new-mini sd comes, i won't be able to use TomTom, will let you guys know when i have more info.
Anyway, i also need to say, from the test i did, the signal doesn't seems very stable, it keep dropping out and reconnect it again....

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i use totom 6.030 and I-go 2006 with update from jan 2007
in max 1-2 min location is fixed...
i install ALL cards on microdrive NOT in sd card
i have internal with this microsoft gps programm port 4 routed to port5 ..
regards

I have iGo 2006 without 2007 updates. In cold start it takes a lot of time, abt 2 min on Ameo. In my opinion, more then with HTC Tytn or Asus P525. I didn't measure it with a watch. And also because the GPS antenna is internal in Ameo it looks like the signal is less stable then when you have a GPS device connected to a phone via bluetooth.

Buch070 said:
I have iGo 2006 without 2007 updates. In cold start it takes a lot of time, abt 2 min on Ameo. In my opinion, more then with HTC Tytn or Asus P525. I didn't measure it with a watch. And also because the GPS antenna is internal in Ameo it looks like the signal is less stable then when you have a GPS device connected to a phone via bluetooth.
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I tend to agree with you...I'm using Advantage with iGo2007 and have the same feeling...the internal GPS is not quite stable and it's dramatically worse than used with Trinity. When I'm in desperate need for current location I prefer to use an external BT GPS than Athena's internal one.
It seems that it does not react properly, since the connetion seems to be OK.

Just a side note: the GPS receiver seems to be placed on the side bearing the HTC logo, not on the side with the Opera hardware button... I tried to use Tomtom in my car with the PDA upright (joystick at the bottom) and it didn't manage to get a fix... When I turn the PDA in landscape mode, with the HTC logo on the top, it works a lot better (cold fix in the car after 1 or two minutes).

zoharbl said:
I tend to agree with you...I'm using Advantage with iGo2007 and have the same feeling...the internal GPS is not quite stable and it's dramatically worse than used with Trinity. When I'm in desperate need for current location I prefer to use an external BT GPS than Athena's internal one.
It seems that it does not react properly, since the connetion seems to be OK.
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I don't find this. I have a TomTom mkII bluetooth as well as the Ameo. I find that the Ameo is often quicker to get a fix. TomTOm navigator 6 I find the slowest. friends tell me that Igo (with the 2007 maps) is much quicker at getting a fix.

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I don't find this. I have a TomTom mkII bluetooth as well as the Ameo. I find that the Ameo is often quicker to get a fix. TomTOm navigator 6 I find the slowest. friends tell me that Igo (with the 2007 maps) is much quicker at getting a fix.
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I find this hard to believe: I think the fix is made (or not) by the GPS chip itself, which gives the current position to the nav software every second. The time to fix should not depend on the software.

which gps generation chip of your athena you think is?

I am so curious!
suppose a device this new shall have the 3rd generation(SiRF Star III it written in the dopod website)!
i had a trinity together with athena place on same place(in the air about 35000') but athena just won't get the enough signal for gps while the trinity did a good job....
why would this happen?
any idea?

parkertseng said:
I am so curious!
suppose a device this new shall have the 3rd generation(SiRF Star III it written in the dopod website)!
i had a trinity together with athena place on same place(in the air about 35000') but athena just won't get the enough signal for gps while the trinity did a good job....
why would this happen?
any idea?
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The Ameo and Trinity both use the Qualcomm MSM6275 gpsOne chipset.

if its a reception issue, i would b questioning the aerial used, and location of it in the device

Qualcomm chipset? HTC claims it's a SirfStar III

Whatever it is, in the day I've had my Athena it hasn't been able to get a fix indoors, whereas my BT SirfStar III gets a fix almost instantly. Furthermore it seems to be taking a hell of a long time (>5 mins) to get a fix when it is in the car with a clear view of the sky. What experience have other people had? What connection settings are you using if you are getting better reception than me? Was thinking about hard resetting and trying again if anyone has any suggestions.
Cheers,
Fin

My chip can take a while to get a fix +3mins sometimes. Other times, it will come alive within seconds. I'm thinking that maybe it occasionally looses the ephemeris data and goes into cold-start mode (Even with QuickGPS). Hasn't been too bad recently though. I just make sure my QGPS data is upto date.
I've just checked on that chip and it does indeed support GPS, but doesn't say anything about SirfstarIII compatibility. However the MSM seems to focus on a 'total' mobile solution - including video card e.t.c. Does this mean that maybe the Ameo is only using some of the chipset, or has it been mis-advertised.

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Whatever it is, in the day I've had my Athena it hasn't been able to get a fix indoors, whereas my BT SirfStar III gets a fix almost instantly. Furthermore it seems to be taking a hell of a long time (>5 mins) to get a fix when it is in the car with a clear view of the sky. What experience have other people had? What connection settings are you using if you are getting better reception than me? Was thinking about hard resetting and trying again if anyone has any suggestions.
Cheers,
Fin
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i have set my device to auto update the quick GPS, and now to fet a fix is about 2 mins, sometime less

wu5262 said:
i have set my device to auto update the quick GPS, and now to fet a fix is about 2 mins, sometime less
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Does it work indoors? Seems weird that it is the same chipset as the Artemis and yet the GPS is so much better on the Artemis.

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Yeah, was hoping it wasn't! However, have hard reset, cleared my MicroDrive and reinstalled TomTom, and it does seem a lot better (even the voices work now as well )

Sometimes gps needs 1 minute and sometimes only a seconds. But, in my case, no more that 1 minute is needed...

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Any chance of adding an external?

I'm not convinced the Artemis is actually any better now having spoken to my mate who has had it for the last few months, he reckons he can't get a fix indoors either (unless it's right by a window).

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I'm not convinced the Artemis is actually any better now having spoken to my mate who has had it for the last few months, he reckons he can't get a fix indoors either (unless it's right by a window).
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why would you want to get a fix for indoor? i can tell you this for sure, if you compare Athena and Trinity GPS, Trinity one is useless.

Which GPS software to use

Which version of which GPS software works on the Touch HD ? i used to use the Miomap and IGo8 on the Touch Cruise but cannot get them to work.
Perhaps with a tweak ?
thanks, yves

Just search the forum.
There are threads for iGO8, TomTom and Navigon. All of them work on the HTC Touch HD (with some tweaks).

http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723 works without tweaks.

iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/

I believe you can get them all working with the right tweaks.
I've used TomTom for years, without any problem. Currently using v7.910 on my Touch HD and it looks nice.
For fun I also downloaded Navigon (there's a two week free trial with full functionality) and with the help of a couple of xml files have it running. Different look and feel to Tom Tom but I like it. Probably worth a look for the two week free trial if nothing else.
Have seen iGo8 and I must say I like the look of it. Have seen a thread with details of a tweak, though that may have been for an earlier release.
Currently waiting for my TomTom services to run out (speed cameras and traffic) and then I may switch. The UI looks fantastic, but have to justify the cost to the missus .....

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iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
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I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.

johnpatcher said:
I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.
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You are correct, it works fine. However, occasional GPS drop does happen, and, from what I understand, it happens with all softwares, not just IGO. I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
Thanks

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I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
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For me it was the wrong baud rate. It must be set to 9600. As I was using GPSGate I had to change the baud rate within GPSGate and not in iGO8.

loadme said:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/
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Kinda strange that you are incapable of setting up a navigation software like igo on the Touch HD.
I myself only had to set the resolution and voila, all worked perfectly.
All the so called 'failures' are entirely untrue from my point of view.
Cause they work perfectly ! (yes also shutdown in expert mode), maybe your failure is using the correct settings in the sys.txt file...
Therfore I have to disagree with you completely on the IGO satisfaction scale.
I give it a 9,7 out of 10 (cause it can always be improved).
Tomtom is great and also is IGo in my opinion (havn't tried the rest om my HD).
with regards,
Ikkezelf

I am using Garmin Mobile XT, and it looks and works a treat.......
IGO8, does look good but there seems to be a lot of screen size problems for the HD. I too have tried IGO8 and all the stuffing around to get the correct screen resolution files sent me nuts.

I am using co-pilot 7, working well so far, especially when I remember to switch it from walking mode to car

A quick summary of my experiences with iGo 8, TomTom 7 and Garmin Mobile XT on the HD, in the UK.
iGo 8
Pros:
Has the nicest looking graphics, with terrain elevation and 3D models of major landmarks (and many more buildings too, in major cities) and a good variety of views.
Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
Routing between multiple maps installed.
Cons:
Long startup time.
Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
The voice directions have been misleading when crossing a roundabout over a motorway, telling me to incorrectly take the first exit from a roundabout, when the direction arrow clearly shows the second. I verified by plotting a route on to the motorway that it also said "first exit" for that exit too. Very strange - I haven't seen problems with other roundabouts, yet.
Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
TomTom 7
Pros:
Reasonable across the board.
Cons:
Average default POIs, finding cash machines but not most shops.
Garmin Mobile XT
Pros:
Great default POIs, being able to track down most shops, etc.
Great free online services, such as Google local search, cheapest petrol
prices nearby, weather, traffic reports, flight status and Panoramio.
Being able to install subsets of maps, to reduce space on the device.
Cons:
Very slow graphics engine.

arghness said:
[*]Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
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I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
arghness said:
Long startup time.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
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Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
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That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
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Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
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Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).

johnpatcher said:
I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
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I'll take a look, thanks. The normal voices are fine, just not the tts. It could be due to the high quality tts rather than the 11KHz pack.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
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It's not unusable, it just takes longer than the others. Sometimes I want to quickly look something up. My usage scenario and my opinion of course
johnpatcher said:
That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).
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I did say it was my experience in the UK. Also, I think that they do count as negative points against iGo as they make it less useful to me compared to the competition. Giving incorrect voice directions is bad, especially when the visual direction is correct. I'm glad you're happy with it - the graphics engine, buildings and terrain really are good. I'd love to see some online integration like Garmin, especially Google local search, which would make the POIs less of an issue.

Gps sofware in uae
Just for anybody here in UAE ... Sygic Drive 2008 from ORION MIDDLE EAST.. works great on my HD.. and its maps are more updated for the GCC regions.. atleast here in UAE..

My comparison between Garmin mobile XT Vs Mapking R12
hello
yesterday i have chance to fully try out my GPS function on my new HD
This is my findings...
I have expirient using Mapking R12 with my Tytn2 and it is much faster in the term of rerouting if u miss any turn,the accuracy is much better but the graphic is quite "cartoon"... anyway it is quite simple to use and straight forward....
With garmin mobile XT i found that, graphic is cool, many additional information such as speed limit, traffic light and ETA....time...
but it is not that easy to handle in term of finding your destination, etc...
it is slow responding and this can cause u miss some turn since u been passing that turn about 5-10 meters then only in the graphic u will reach there... the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
anyway i'm not really sure this is due to the sofware or the GPS chip... since i'm comparing my expirient with 2 different device that running with 2 different sofware
anyway i will try to run my HD with mapking and look the different....

Comparison TomTom 7, IGO 8 and INAVI
TOMTOM 7:
It has the most user-friendly interface and most stright-forward menu. You get whatever you want in just several pushes of buttons. Maps are very precise in west Europa and I think in the USA. In other countries maps aren't that good if they exist. It computes almost the best way. Better than all other programs.
IGO 8
It is the most complete navigation program. It has plenity of options. The drawback of this is that you will need more time to do the same thing. The most useful function not available in TomTom is easy moving and zoming map during navigation. It has maps for much more countries for Israel, Eastern Europa and they are more precise (there are even 3D buildings) and they take less space. If you travel outside Europa and USA or like exploring options then it will be the best choice.
INAVI
It is good. It's the only choice for eastern Europe and some other countries. It has many options (more than TomTom and less than IGO) but navigation is less easy and less precise than others. You can choose it if there is no maps for the country where you go.
Personally I choose TomTom 7 because of it's stright-forward interface. In the car you don't have a lot of time to play with options. 3D buildings don't interest me (I can see them through the window) and I live in west Europe.

Just installed Garmin Mobile XT
Updated to version 5.00.20wp
I'm impressed, works full screen and very smooth, Garmin Online is very well integrated, the interface is clean and easy to navigate, you can really just install and drive/walk off (I did not have to do anything to activate the GPS just plug in the MicroSD card and it automatically installed the soft and I could start navigating)
This does not mean that things cannot be customized, from my first look at the settings it looks like just about anything can be customized.
The integration with WM seems very complete too, from the large "Where to" button I can select a contact and it will have a large "Go" button to start navigating to it.
This morning I tested it in my car and I even got a phonecall during navigating which went flawless, the phone screen came on but I went back to Garmin Mobile via the Start menu and it continued navigating (the data connection was stopped so no more Garmin Online service but it did not stop the navigation)
Voice prompts and warning signals were quite clear through the HD speaker.
The only thing is that the location of my car holder might not be ideal on the open road it was ok but the GPS connection became quite erratic when I entered the city, the GPS info screen showed only 3 satellites that flickered on and off, when I took it out of the holder and held it to the windscreen things got better.

hijamir said:
the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
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this is normal, the speedo in your car is set slower than the actual speed by design (so you don't think you're driving the speed limit but you're actually speeding). If GPS connection is good GPS speed can be accurate to about 0.1km.
On road GPSes there is always a 1 second lag (1Hz, professional and aviation GPSes can have multiple Hz updates) so accelerating/decelerating will not be correct but for constant speeds the GPS indication is superior to most cars speedos.

I've never had a gps device before, and am pretty new to the whole Winmo scene in general. I saw someone mention that Route 66 worked without tweaking so I bought a discounted version of their Route 66 Navigate 7. I wasn't able to install it directly from the CD, but their customer support responded within an hour or two telling me to copy the memory card directory from the CD directly to my HD's card and run the .cab from the phone.
Works great. Now I just have to fool around with it so I know how to actually use it effectively.. lol.
From their website they list the HD as compatible for their latest "8" version too. I just decided to get the old one for cheap since I don't really have a need for gps. Maybe I'll upgrade at some point if it's worth it.