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16 Key OR 20 Key Version?

i am looking to buy the touch dual but wasn't sure if i should go for the 20 key version or the 16 key version,
anybody give any advice?

I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo

thanks for your opinion

this seems to be personal preference. i'm using a 20-key version and very happy with it, because having one button mapping to fewer letters makes it much faster to get to my desired word in t9 input and address book search. yet, surely need to pay some effort to get used to it. just for your reference.

I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.

Boris6 said:
I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.
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so did you manage to map any of the keyboard keys to other programs using AE Button or just the normal hardware buttons (camera, vol up, vol down)?

With the France SFR version, we have no choice 20 keys
My previous model was a Nokia NGage DQ, so jumping from phone keyboard like to computer keyboard like implies some time training.
But with the soft keyboard and the hard one we have the choice
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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versus
just a little brain gymnastics

cojones said:
I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo
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Im looking at upgrading my wifes Nokia E65 to the Touch Dual.
Interesting point about the 16 v 20 key versions.
She likes to SMS so i guess that the 16 key with 4 app/launcher/utility buttons should suit her.
How many of you, use the software keyboard over the hardware keys?

Is there an easy way to switch between running tasks?

I know Wisbar will list running applications on the top status bar, but I don't have wisbar. Is there a similar way to switch between running tasks without going back to Programs and re-launch the app?
Thanks.

There are some alt+tab applications out there that you can map to a key and switch between them (just like on a computer).

No need to install anything... From any application, press the [HOME] key (the house icon next to the 'pick up the phone' icon on the bottom of the phone) and that'll take you back to the TF3D home screen. Then, tap the upper right icon, which, assuming you haven't changed much, should be the task manager. A list of running apps will drop down. Just tap an application and it will come up and be active.
Hope this helps...
Jesse

Thanks all for replies.
I just found a freeware tool WkTask that does exactly what I am looking for. Also, it has the ability to exclude tasks that you don't want to show up on the task bar such as ActiveSync, Gyrator...

resque2 said:
Thanks all for replies.
I just found a freeware tool WkTask that does exactly what I am looking for. Also, it has the ability to exclude tasks that you don't want to show up on the task bar such as ActiveSync, Gyrator...
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This is also done by the default task manager of HD. Just press the icon that has three horizontal lines in the upper right corner of the screen and select the wrench icon.

Or you could use apps developed by the clever guys here at XDA-Developers...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420220
Works well on my TouchHD...
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

I use the AE Button Plus task manager/action menu, you can assign it to a button and cycle through the open apps. simple and effective.

Who need beautiful device: Task Facade
Who need simple and fast: AE Button Plus Task manager

how to start a single panel from desktop shortcut

i've searched in the programs directory the executable file of a single panel, for example 3d-fish panel, but in the directory i've founded only .dll without .exe...
what's the method to start a panel from a shortcut? what command i must launch?
tnx

nothing?
i must put an argumentto panelManager.exe?

I don't actually think that's possible, as panels are run from within an application (exe). They're not supposed to be used seperately. It's like trying to watch a movie in notepad, just not designed to work there.
Unless someone feels like making it, ofcourse.

for example, XperiaTweak can launch a panel from our choice automatically, then i suppose it use a command but what command?? i don't find it!!

sidvizioso said:
for example, XperiaTweak can launch a panel from our choice automatically, then i suppose it use a command but what command?? i don't find it!!
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I believe that XperiaTweak uses it own extra software to launch the panel of choice.

Yeah the Xperia Tweak probably sets a command to press the X-Panel button, and then it tells the X-Panel software which panel to chose.

poetryrocksalot said:
Yeah the Xperia Tweak probably sets a command to press the X-Panel button, and then it tells the X-Panel software which panel to chose.
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I think so too, as Xperiatweak also shows the LED lights that are associated with pressing the panel button.

However you simply want to run the application right ? Then ask Pubba ! He made EXEs which wrap media and radio panels. It should be easy with any other panel. Maybe even generic panel launcher could be made.
His EXEs are posted here (look for 'Pubba'):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441439

Hi,
at the moment I'm working on this because I like to have this to.
I will tell you when I have managed to do it.
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Got it working now
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Great you've got it running. Can you share your solution?

Ending apps in WM 6.5.1 (with X-button)

Until WM 6.5.1, it was possible to end/kill apps by touching the X-button. I'm talking about the "End programs by tapping X" option on this screenshot:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This option is available in the current 6.5.1 rom i'm using on my Diamond, but it doesn't work. When running the taskmanager, i can see apps running in the background which should be closed. I tried several 6.5.1 roms, but they all have this "problem", so it isn't related to the rom i'm using at the moment.
Is it possible to get this to work on a 6.5.1 rom (perhaps with a 3rd party tool)? I know there are tools that can kill all running apps, but i think it's easier when they automatically ends when tapping the X-button.

caponi said:
Until WM 6.5.1, it was possible to end/kill apps by touching the X-button. I'm talking about the "End programs by tapping X" option on this screenshot:
This option is available in the current 6.5.1 rom i'm using on my Diamond, but it doesn't work. When running the taskmanager, i can see apps running in the background which should be closed. I tried several 6.5.1 roms, but they all have this "problem", so it isn't related to the rom i'm using at the moment.
Is it possible to get this to work on a 6.5.1 rom (perhaps with a 3rd party tool)? I know there are tools that can kill all running apps, but i think it's easier when they automatically ends when tapping the X-button.
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It's a known issue with 6.5.1 - There is no way to fix it however Showcase will do what you want plus some more nifty things. You can find it over in development and hacking.

Luckily, holding down the X button will still fully close out the programs. It takes another second to close apps, but it does the job. Showcase is also helpful :]

Showcase does what you want, no need to tap and hold, just change the registry key to close on tap.

God_Lx said:
Showcase does what you want, no need to tap and hold, just change the registry key to close on tap.
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Well, which registry key??? You could be a little more informative, I guess.

emresumengen said:
Well, which registry key??? You could be a little more informative, I guess.
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when Showcase installed
HKCU\Software\e-Natives Technology\Showcase\SUITE_CloseOnTap
Change value from 1 to 0

[TIP] Move your keyboard to the bottom

Hello
I was making one application that would resemble more Android-like design: keyboard on the bottom, the main soft keys above it.
Well that is not possible to do both system-wide, but one half of that is. To move your keyboard to the total bottom of the screen, just edit registry:
Code:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip:
DefaultMenuBarHeight=dword:0
MenuBarHeight=dword:0
what happens after reboot is this:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Advantages? Extra 64px (on WM6.5.3 and similar) of screen, no useless soft keys in these occasions.
Now, how do you hide the keyboard? Just, as on Android, press BACK key (on HD2 tested, TP2 and TD2 should work the same I suppose, but make backup first ).
Regards, OndraSter
Update: it seems that it doesn't work on all ROMs. I was using CRACIN's HD2 ROM, where it worked. I now flashed GTX Energy ROM and it doesn't work. Weird.

There is no DefaultMenuBarHeight in Sip there is only MenuBarHeight.
I'm using htc touch2. How can i do this? Thanks

This is dependant on the ROM and SIP itself. Try changing the MenuBarHeight itself if it isn't enough.
Btw, this won't work with any newer position fix - like ultrashot's uTask, since it tries to fix the keyboard too.

Heyi tried to change the MenuBarHeight and it was okey then but pressing back button make me go to the homescreen so it isn't for me. Thanks anyway dude great job.

Appearantly Touch 2 works different than Leo

You're right !
Having disabled Utask's position fix feature, I was able to move the SIP vertical position to anywhere I wanted !
The DefaultMenuBarHeight value can be manually added (I did), provided it has any actual effect.
Unfortunately, the Back button generally applies to the current app rather than to the keyboard, that sometimes even stays open (it actually depends on the app ! ), so it can't be used straight on.
But there are a lot of alternatives, such as remapping a hardware key with AEButton plus (now freeware), for instance.
This nice trick should probably be best used with a SIP featuring it's own closing button, such as FingerKeyboard (though it already has an option to overlap the softkeybar in landscape mode, and since it's fully customizable, you should be able to setup the vertical offset in portrait too, regardless of the actual registry values).