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**Please develop this clever people**

I'm sure many people here agree that it's very annoying when you're speaking on the phone and your ear accidentally opens up windows and programs or even worse - ends the call!
Surely one of you very clever chaps can make an app that uses the light sensor so that the Diamond knows you are speaking and therefore locks the screen.
It would help so much,
S.

The clever people already did it but because we, normal people, are too lazy to search through, can´t see it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425650
...and this is just one example

I'm aware of this software but how does it work within phonecalls? I'm not talking about when the phone rings, I mean post-unlock during the phonecall...

read the post man, it`s not very large and you will find it like I did

The program doesn't do what I describe above, although the idea is brought up a few times in the thread. It can switch off the screen but i'm talking about the light sensor doing this automatically...

The Diamond already turns off the screen when you hold it to your ear (by using the light sensor)...

I thought the diamond shut off the screen on speaking/connecting the call? Plus, it doesn't turn back on without pressing the power button...

the light sensor is not sensitive enough for this use.

:-( Damn! That's a shame.

Blazeitup123 said:
the light sensor is not sensitive enough for this use.
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Interesting, the light sensor of my phone can do this. Initially, the screen turned off whenever I picked up a call. I found it annoying because many a times, I need to use the screen to key in some numbers (pin, a/c numbers, whatever). Then, I used Adv. Conf. to turn this feature off. And I found it even more annoying as I actually hanged up twice by my ear accidentally touching "end call" button. Now, I turned this back on again.... still annoying but less....
I think your light sensor should be able to do this. Maybe you can check this feature on Adv. Conf. to see if it's turned off by accident.

The only things that were turned off in adv.config were 'sleep during call' and 'fast sleep'. I have switched these on and the screen does switch off but is this due to the light sensor? I now use S2U2's feature to switch the screen off as it's faster (screen switches off on connection)...
But, with all these options, I also find it annoying when I have to key in my pin etc. That's why utilising the light sensor so when you take the phone away from your face it switches back on, would be great.

this is really funny! some ppl want this thing off and some ppl want this thing on.
for the record:
the diamond is by default switching off the screen after a few seconds. when i said the diamond i meant the light sensor.
now, from the history:
long, long time ago (about 3-4 months ) the devs here were trying to switch off this feature because if you have to dial one more number or want to switch yr speaker you'll face a black screen (just touch the middle/enter button and you are back in business). some said it is the light sensor, some said it is a timer.....mostly they tried by registry tweaks, don't even remember who was the first to succeed but it was a great victory ...hahahaha
today we have a few options. one of them (the most popular one i think) is schap's advanced configuration. another was is the famous twaek 3.2 (today is 5?).
on the last month we have a few ROMs that already had this tweak built in. i think our friend here has one of those ROMs of them (because he ha sit tweaked already).
m8 i think you can switch this option back to default (switch off the screen) with the advanced config tool.
this one is an example (i think this one was the first):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2278799&postcount=1-tweak no 8.
you can also look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406151&highlight=screen+call
or this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406094&highlight=screen+call
one more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415356&highlight=screen+call
and so on ....everything a search away (i used "screen+call")

Thanks for the post, my issue wasn't how to get the screen off during a call. It was what causes it to go off and if it is the light sensor, could an app be made so that when the phone is taken away from your face, the screen switches on again.

I agree. I would love it to switch off as default, but also TURN ON when I pull the phone away from my face... I can't understand why this is not the default behaviour. I have some time later on this month I will look at this more carefully and possibly program the solution.

Sprint Diamond
I agree that would be great. My screen on my Sprint Diamond has never turned off during a phone call. I didn't even know that was a feature on some diamonds until this thread. I have tried making a call and then covering the light sensor but nothing happens. So, here is my vote for the ability to get a screen that turns on and off as you put it to your ear and take it away.

just work exactly the same as iphone and the problem will be solved.......

[REQ]Answering calls using the Light sensor or Gsensor or proximity sensor?

I was thinking if is possible to make a program that uses the light sensor to answer calls! (when u receive a call just put the phone to your ear and auto answers). I think that would be cool!

The author of Answerkeys Disabler looked at the the usability of the light sensor - his conclusion was that it was not sensitive enough for most applications - and I would expect that to include answering calls. Have a read through that thread for more info.
I think it's a daft idea anyway - lots of situations could cause a call to be accidentally answered.

Well, i think it would be a bad idea (sorry ).
What if you had it in your pocket or jacket? And when your asleep, and you get a call, then what? Your friend can hear you snoore or having a good time, with your gf

H3IN3K3N said:
Well, i think it would be a bad idea (sorry ).
What if you had it in your pocket or jacket? And when your asleep, and you get a call, then what? Your friend can hear you snoore or having a good time, with your gf
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you are right

It could check the default state. If it's dark (probably in the pocket) then wait to be light(out of pocket) and than dark again to answer(ear).
But the problem is this will not work if it's night and you are somewhere outside and there's no light for the sensor to notice... Than again the application could have a setting to be active only during daylight and after sunset it would automatically disable itself.
How's that?

IIRC, the light sensor is updated at a fixed interval. So it may not be so accurate to answer a call (eg: you put the phone to your ear but the call is answered after a bit).
Maybe it would be better to use the GSensors to capture the phone movement you made to answer a call.
Marshall

Nom nom nom.. Interesting thread. Please do post your good ideas, then all of a sudden someone might invent the killer app
About the light sensor. The thing wont measure anything above 0 if lighting is poor. I mean not only in the middle of the desert at 4 AM when its darker then my coffee, but also in my fluorescently lit hallway, in which I can perfectly read a book. So the thing will always measure 0, you cannot detect changes in that, unfortunately.

Ideea
is it possible to connect the LIGHT sensor with GSensors? (ex: based on the G force produced when you look at the phone to see who's calling an then the light sensor is kicking in, if you want to answer put it at your ear, if not turn the phone face down and it shuts the ringing off!)
Just thinking......

drvdijk said:
Nom nom nom.. Interesting thread. Please do post your good ideas, then all of a sudden someone might invent the killer app
About the light sensor. The thing wont measure anything above 0 if lighting is poor. I mean not only in the middle of the desert at 4 AM when its darker then my coffee, but also in my fluorescently lit hallway, in which I can perfectly read a book. So the thing will always measure 0, you cannot detect changes in that, unfortunately.
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something poped out in my head. When the phone rings the light comes on, is the sensor able to pickit up?

Nope. Tried this in the toilet in which the light was broken. It wouldn't get above 0. Taking a dump without lights is pretty hard by the way..

No other ideas?

Well...I keep my phone in it's luxurious pvc htc slide out pouch, it's pretty dark in there, if the light sensor is able to detect when the phone is in the shade of your ear it must be quite sensitive or else that just would not be possible. So imagine the phone locks automatically when it rings and then unlocks and auto answers when the light sensor detects an increased light level, You would need a few options I can't think of right now, but the normal answer button should still work in case no change is detected. So if your phone was in your pocket or pouch there would be no accidental button presses/call rejections and you would not have to press a button to answer it. = killer app.
Leave your phone face down on your desk, just pick it up to answer a call.

uniqueboy said:
Well...I keep my phone in it's luxurious pvc htc slide out pouch, it's pretty dark in there, if the light sensor is able to detect when the phone is in the shade of your ear it must be quite sensitive or else that just would not be possible. So imagine the phone locks automatically when it rings and then unlocks and auto answers when the light sensor detects an increased light level, You would need a few options I can't think of right now, but the normal answer button should still work in case no change is detected. So if your phone was in your pocket or pouch there would be no accidental button presses/call rejections and you would not have to press a button to answer it. = killer app.
Leave your phone face down on your desk, just pick it up to answer a call.
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Is that possible right now then? I'd be very interested in the software that disables the screen as soon as it hits your ear.

Can anybody help to make this app?

Give me $50 and I'll make it for you, with the limitations as noted in this thread

drvdijk said:
Give me $50 and I'll make it for you, with the limitations as noted in this thread
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I don't mind donating but being so upfront asking for money is a little inappropriate in my mind but if that's what it takes let's see how many people wants it, and donate for your cup of coffee!

Sorry, my point wasn't to ask for money (allthough my post clearly indicates that, I now notice). My point was that I need a very good reason to develop a program of which I know in advance will not work as we both would like to see it work.

So there is no way to make an app that auto answers when you put your phone at your ear (using GSensor or Light sensor)?
P.S. No more ideas? Or close this thread Forever!!!!

How about an application that implements a "proximity sensor" that other phones seem to have? It's kind of annoying to have the touchscreen turned off randomly when you need to punch in some numbers for automated hotlines.

Lawliet said:
How about an application that implements a "proximity sensor" that other phones seem to have? It's kind of annoying to have the touchscreen turned off randomly when you need to punch in some numbers for automated hotlines.
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i think is a good idea!

Face Down Mute and Light Sensor

I am having problems with the face down mute and light sensor thing. I would love to be able to get these working.
I have tried Schaps Advanced Config, Diamond Tweak and Registry Edits.
I would like the device to go into mute (do not ring calls) when it is put face down
Also, I would like to disable the automatic screen going off on call and let the light sensor detect when it is close to my ear and turn the screen off...
Appreciate your help

I think there is no light or proximity sensor on the HD.

I do nothing and my HD goes silent if I turn it face down.

How.. How How How? ...

taimoorhusain said:
How.. How How How? ...
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I dont know, sorry. It´s simply working. As my HD arrives I do a Hardreset install my software and this works.

Atze001 said:
I dont know, sorry. It´s simply working. As my HD arrives I do a Hardreset install my software and this works.
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Couldnt one then infer that it is obviously a feature of some software you have installed?

Isn't there any setting on:
setting - system - motion sensor or some kind?

Could we have a list of install software on your HD?

Don't sweat it guys!
It just works out of the box!
And fyi the HD has a Light Sensor, G Sensor and Stylus Sensor.

Yes - the light sensor is in the earpiece area (if you have ambient light sensor option checked [default], have it open in a bright room on a mainly white windows screen then cover the earpice area you see the screen dim)

I don't know about it working straight out of the box but you can certainly do it with Gyrator 2.

Black Antitoon said:
I think there is no light or proximity sensor on the HD.
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There certainly is...

Actually, I wanted to start this thread myself..
Face-down-mute does NOT work on my HD. Neither with Gyrator ON, nor whent it is OFF.
I have checked the registry (HKLM/Software/HTC/Phone/MuteFaceDown or smth like this..), the key setting is "1" so technically it should work....... But it Doesn't!!

Face down mute works if you have it face up and somebody calls you. Just turn it face down and ring is muted.
This is only thing I found on this topic.

Turning the phone down mutes incoming calls for me too. no problems there..

Ciciban said:
Face down mute works if you have it face up and somebody calls you. Just turn it face down and ring is muted.
This is only thing I found on this topic.
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This is very useful and it absolutely works. Cool! I thought when we place the phone face down, it would jsut be muted period. I was also assuming that there was a way to do this with Gyrator, but didnt know which event to select on orientation face down. I can turn off the screen, but there is no option in gyrator to mute the phone.
Thanks for the help though.

taimoorhusain said:
This is very useful and it absolutely works. Cool! I thought when we place the phone face down, it would jsut be muted period. I was also assuming that there was a way to do this with Gyrator, but didnt know which event to select on orientation face down. I can turn off the screen, but there is no option in gyrator to mute the phone.
Thanks for the help though.
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This is what I also assumed, when I am in the meeting and get a call I put it face down and it mutes, but then when someone else calls I need to face it up then down again which ideally doesn't work for me.
Isn't there a key like FaceDownMuteAll = 1?

Unfortunately i have the same problem. Flipping the phone is not muting the ring. Maybe its something to do with what we install. Also another strange issue no matter what i do i have the active sync always running in the background.

I have changeScreen installed and if I disable it it works. I think gsenor apps are the cause

Ciciban said:
Face down mute works if you have it face up and somebody calls you. Just turn it face down and ring is muted.
This is only thing I found on this topic.
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It works straight out of the box, I installed all sort of Gsense apps and it removed and face down mute still works fine.
Even in the case it is faced down and someone ring, I just have to face up, see whos is calling and face down again, it muted.

light sensor app like Iphone (incall screen off)

I was wondering if there's a app that allows the screen to turn off when you put the phone to you head? Then when you bring it out and in front of you, it turns back on. My Iphone did that and I loved that feature.

upping cause i'm intersted too

im believe this feature on the iphone is provided by a proximity sensor, you can probable do this with the light sensor but it would only work in the day time bc at night the screen would always be off...

not unless you use the gsensor too? i think if you work with the light sensor and the gsensor..you can get it to work. maybe have it only work when theres a active call.

This is an extremely good idea!

now if I was only a programmer

i'd love to see this feature on my diamond/blackstone too, i always have problems with the cursor jumping somewhere else when taking a note while in call...
theres already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451456

sweet. thanks

I really love that fuction on iPhone as well. I found some program that can adjust the Light Sensor to dim the back light as you want. I never try it but surely not work in the dark. If any news on this issue, pls advise!!

I think the g-sensor is the answer, off course in combination with light sensor. If someone could make an app that would turn off the backlight during an active call AND when phone is in vertical position; this could resolve difficulties with light sensor.

aonavy said:
I was wondering if there's a app that allows the screen to turn off when you put the phone to you head? Then when you bring it out and in front of you, it turns back on. My Iphone did that and I loved that feature.
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There are a couple out there that attempt to solve the same problem the iPhone does.
One I know of is Touchlock Pro - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
It is free but it still has a little way to go before it is a polished solution
The other is PocketShield -- http://www.pocketshield.net/
It's not free but I found it so effective for the in-call problem as well as general locking/unlocking that it was worth paying for
I've also, as a developer by trade, played with the light sensor, g-sensor, and stylus sensor APIs and tried to create a basic proof of concept that solved just the in-call problem very well and found that without the approach taken by Pocketshield it just was not reliable enough for me.

fireweed said:
There are a couple out there that attempt to solve the same problem the iPhone does.
One I know of is Touchlock Pro - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
It is free but it still has a little way to go before it is a polished solution
The other is PocketShield -- http://www.pocketshield.net/
It's not free but I found it so effective for the in-call problem as well as general locking/unlocking that it was worth paying for
I've also, as a developer by trade, played with the light sensor, g-sensor, and stylus sensor APIs and tried to create a basic proof of concept that solved just the in-call problem very well and found that without the approach taken by Pocketshield it just was not reliable enough for me.
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All these programms are great software but are nowhere near the iphone solution... like i already said, the problem is e.g. that if you are on the phone and the person on the other end tells you a phonenumber you need to write down - the cursor always jumps to somewhere else as soon as you put your phone back to your ear (and then take it away again ofcourse to continue to notice the number).

ive messed with those apps before with no luch for what i was looking for. Simple app...JUST for incall and end call. light goesout..then comes back in. those other apps are pretty detaild

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All these programms are great software but are nowhere near the iphone solution...
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Very true, but unfortunately this hardware does not have the same sensor as the iPhone so you can only fake it so much.

I'd love to see this developed as well. But just wondering as some have mentioned using the gsensor; what if your laying down using the phone?

any developers out there. this would be awsome. make it simple. only works when the phone is in call. the gsensor sensing the phone from 0-45 degrees and only 0-5% light. seems sorta simple when u look at it like that.

hey everyone. My HTC Touch Pro came with this functionality out of the box. And i really don't like it at all. I think the difference to the iphone is that the screen does not turn back on until the power button is pressed.

millab said:
hey everyone. My HTC Touch Pro came with this functionality out of the box. And i really don't like it at all. I think the difference to the iphone is that the screen does not turn back on until the power button is pressed.
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My diamond does this already?

mine didnt. very weird.

For what it's worth, S2U2 v.1.42 has an option called "blank screen on call" which essentially disables the touch screen and makes it turn off when a call is connected (both sent and received). To get the screen to turn back on, simply press any hardware button. (Note though that pressing the END button while on a call will end the call as well as turning on the screen.)
I've found this feature to be VERY useful and figured it's as close as we're going to get for the time being .

Screen not going off in a call!!!

Hy all
I have a strange problem with my X10! The will not go off in a call! (or at least most of the times it won't) The sensors should turn the screen off while the phone is to to my ear but most of the time it will not!
There is a hidden menu that have tests for almost every hardware component but the test for the proximity sensor only shows that the sensor is OFF and won't do the test!
Ideas?

The sensor is the little black circle (sort of) above and to the left of the "n"
e.g. Sony Ericsso'n'
Have you tried putting your finger over it during the test?

same problem here i tried the finger-trick doesnt work

I tried it and the test shows ON while my finger is there! So the sensor works properly but why the dialer is not using it to control the screen?

As stated before, if you cover the 'hole', the screen would not react to any of your finger touches. The screen would still be on but would turn off according to your settings (like 30 seconds or 1 minute or whichever). Try it. Call someone, cover the hole and try to hit 'end call' or slide up the keypad and then cover the hole and try to hit numbers.

The purpose of the proximity sensor is to turn the screen off in a call while the phone is to your ear! if i cover the sensor it must turn the screen off! but it doesn't! There is some kind of timeout set to this! The screen will turn off but after some time! this makes the proximity sensor almost useless!

No, it is to disable touchscreen buttons. It will turn off when time you've selected is over and turn on again and enable touch buttons when you take the phone out from your face.
Though i think you're right, it should turn the screen off to save battery, it is silly to have the screen on when you are using it.
Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk

Zenghelis said:
No, it is to disable touchscreen buttons. It will turn off when time you've selected is over and turn on again and enable touch buttons when you take the phone out from your face.
Though i think you're right, it should turn the screen off to save battery, it is silly to have the screen on when you are using it.
Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk
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Quite right!
I guess the expectations are again set by Apple's standards. Their proximity sensor functions as one would expect.
However the sensor on the X10 does what it was designed to do, and that's to deactivate the touchpad whilst the device is held up to your ear.
The screen timeout is a different setting all together (unfortunately).

Baggyb said:
Quite right!
I guess the expectations are again set by Apple's standards. Their proximity sensor functions as one would expect.
However the sensor on the X10 does what it was designed to do, and that's to deactivate the touchpad whilst the device is held up to your ear.
The screen timeout is a different setting all together (unfortunately).
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Not the expectation set by Apple. It's expectation for any right minded individual.
SE software is just well known as one of the worst top players in the industry.
FFS, they spent all the time on DRM, lock the phone, developing battery hungry useless software on 1.6 rather than push out 2.1 asap, that tells you something.

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Not the expectation set by Apple. It's expectation for any right minded individual.
SE software is just well known as one of the worst top players in the industry.
FFS, they spent all the time on DRM, lock the phone, developing battery hungry useless software on 1.6 rather than push out 2.1 asap, that tells you something.
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Why not go through the Manual once before abusing Company left - right.....
Let me copy and paste it for you guys........
Sensors
Your phone has two built-in sensors – a light sensor and a proximity sensor. The light sensor is used for automatic LCD backlight control. The proximity sensor turns the touch screen off when your face touches the screen. This prevents you from unintentionally activating phone functions when you are engaged in a call.

TechGuru_x10 said:
Why not go through the Manual once before abusing Company left - right.....
Let me copy and paste it for you guys........
Sensors
Your phone has two built-in sensors – a light sensor and a proximity sensor. The light sensor is used for automatic LCD backlight control. The proximity sensor turns the touch screen off when your face touches the screen. This prevents you from unintentionally activating phone functions when you are engaged in a call.
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Yes and this is plain stupid use of the sensor! Take the HD2 for instance! Its proximity sensor turns the screen off the second you take the phone to your ear! This is done with every HTC device having the sensor! It is just misused on the X10! I hope that somebody here would correct this with a little program some day!

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Yes and this is plain stupid use of the sensor! Take the HD2 for instance! Its proximity sensor turns the screen off the second you take the phone to your ear! This is done with every HTC device having the sensor! It is just misused on the X10! I hope that somebody here would correct this with a little program some day!
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This is the main problem with us ,,, we start to compare and complain rather than think why did SE will give two sensors instead of one.
Answer is not known to me but this much I know they know better than us.
If you think you know better, be my guest and throw some knowledge here. I am new to Android but not to SE.

So im new to the forums, but I was having a problem with the proximity sensor...
As stated in a lot of threads, the proximity sensor does work and will "lock" the screen so that once your face is near the screen it will not allow any clicking of the buttons.
Also the screen is supposed to turn off about 15sec into the call. Mine turned off, but then all of a sudden turned on again...this would happen repeatedly.
I found out the solution...it seems advance task killer was not allowing the screen to turn off.
I had auto kill enabled and set it to when the phone was locked to kill apps.
I turned off auto kill, and everything seems to be working fine with the screen and proximity sensor now..
hope this helps anyone having this issue!

thx, same problem here !!

so its pretty clear none of us know the answer to this, but yet we're still bashing each other. LOL! ppl let's get constructive, we dont have the answers so lets accept the fact and seek help some where else.

o2 Germany told me, that Sony Ericsson will bring us an update within the next 4 weeks to all devices.
It will be an update with alot of bug fixes (e.g. proximity sensor ) and speed improvements.
So, be cool. Sony Ericsson is working on that and with Eclair in autumn, our battery will perform very well.