I'm on Tmob USA's GPRS which works fine, except certain pages (like the html full version of google) or blogger.com just will not load over GPRS. I've tried some registry tweaks to make my browser look like another browser and some other tweaks that were recomended and I still have no luck.
I believe another JasJar user was able to set the preferences at Google to always load pages as HTML, but over GPRS I can't save my preferences on that page to do so. Over wifi I'm able to connect to any page just fine (and I've set my google preferences to HTML from the device on wifi), so I believe somewhere the device is changing the settings depending upon my connection method.
This is one of my last JasJar bugs that's driving me nuts. Please help if you can!
Really, no one else is having this problem? crap....
After my last hard reset google keeps diverting to www.google.co.uk/pda. I think that's because I haven't used Tweaks2k2 to change a few bits, as I normally do, but you can still view 'proper' google, by going into preferences (on the website) and changing the default to 'HTML'
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After my last hard reset google keeps diverting to www.google.co.uk/pda. I think that's because I haven't used Tweaks2k2 to change a few bits, as I normally do, but you can still view 'proper' google, by going into preferences (on the website) and changing the default to 'HTML'
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See, I tried that with no luck. When I navigate to the preferences page over GPRS it fails to save my preferences, literally every time it times out. When I use Wifi I can navigate to the preferences page and save the preference for full HTML, but it still doesn't load when using GPRS. It's pretty clear that it's using a different set of connection settings when the connection is made via GPRS. What settings do you use with Tweaks2k2? Maybe that will work for me...
As I see it, there are three possible reasons:
1) The connection is not a full internet GPRS connection and maybe instead going to a "walled garden", or using WAP
Go to settings, connections, connections, Manage existing connections and duplicate the settings from your Universal onto another device capable of taking your SIM card. Try that sim card in another device with the same connection settings. I expect you'll get the same results. If so, post the settings here
2) Tweaks has done something undesired. Can you list a few websites that are failing? Personally, I'm reluctant to install ANY software until I'm 100% convinced I need it. This applies also to my desktop and trippley so to my server
3) Blame the user :lol:
I reckon it's 1) :idea:
I just set it to recognise pIE as IE6.0
I'm not convinced that that's going to fix the problem you have though, because I'm sure that I've had that problem on other PPC phones which I never used Tweaks2k2 on, and there was some other way to fix it.
I'll have a play around and see what I can come up with...
xiasma said:
As I see it, there are three possible reasons:
1) The connection is not a full internet GPRS connection and maybe instead going to a "walled garden", or using WAP
Go to settings, connections, connections, Manage existing connections and duplicate the settings from your Universal onto another device capable of taking your SIM card. Try that sim card in another device with the same connection settings. I expect you'll get the same results. If so, post the settings here
2) Tweaks has done something undesired. Can you list a few websites that are failing? Personally, I'm reluctant to install ANY software until I'm 100% convinced I need it. This applies also to my desktop and trippley so to my server
3) Blame the user :lol:
I reckon it's 1) :idea:
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Some interesting ideas there. Some of the sites that are failing include:
www.google.com - I can't access the full version and the PDA version hangs constantly during loading and loads results very slow, no images shown when image search is done.
www.blogger.com - It tries to load www.blogger.com/start which again hangs terribly and loads a version of the page with no images.
Various internet shortcuts I imported over from my bookmarks I used on my Dell Axim X30 (PPC2003SE). I'll have to pull a list later if I'm still having this problem.
I don't have another PPC Phone device so I can't try the settings swap but it does sound very likely. I am currently using the cab file from imate for tmobile USA settings (which does create a connection called "tzones" which kinda worries me), it uses the internet2.voicestream.com access poin. I had also manually configured the settings previously using these settings and still had the same problem (pulled from a hofo post by Mashie):
Goto Start > Settings > Connections > Connections > Add new ISP...
Give it a name (T-Mobile)
Select Cellular Line (GPRS)
Next
APN = wap.voicestream.com or internet2.voicestream.com (whichever you like)
Next
Next
Finish
leave username, password, domain, etc... all blank
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But maybe I need to try some different settings... I'll try playing with the settings I have, creating new settings, and hounding some other Tmob USA GPRS user's settings (hopefully someone using another jasjar).
Re: #2, I haven't actually used Tweaks, I used Resco registry editor to try and make the browser appear to be a full PC browser. I tried a ton of registry settings suggested by some more Hofo super-users, but nothing worked. I eventually got really creative and desperate with some registry edits and finally hard reset the device, tried the suggested reg edits again without success, then hard reset again.
Re: #3 - lol. I seem to be the only one with this problem, so I'm not rulling it out... I was a bit worried someone was going to suggest that the PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair).
www.hotmail.com and www.handango.com are sites I have experienced cannot be accessed in their full PC version. The PIE on the JJ takes us to the mobile sites.
Likewise a strange thing happens when I try to log into the "PocketPCDubai Forums". PIE starts to download the site page. I can see the progress indicator gradually move up. When about 180 Kb has been downloaded the progress indicator disappears meaning that the page has fully been downloaded. Nevertheless the page is blank and with nothing on it.
I also have tried to modify the registry to make the PIE appear as a full browser but nothing seems to work.
Regards
www.hotmail.com and www.handango.com are sites I have experienced cannot be accessed in their full PC version. The PIE on the JJ takes us to the mobile sites.
Likewise a strange thing happens when I try to log into the "PocketPCDubai Forums". PIE starts to download the site page. I can see the progress indicator gradually move up. When about 180 Kb has been downloaded the progress indicator disappears meaning that the page has fully been downloaded. Nevertheless the page is blank and with nothing on it.
I also have tried to modify the registry to make the PIE appear as a full browser but nothing seems to work.
Regards
"www.hotmail.com" and "www.handango.com" are sites I have experienced cannot be accessed in their full PC version. The PIE on the JJ takes us to the mobile sites.
Likewise a strange thing happens when I try to log into the "PocketPCDubai Forums". PIE starts to download the site page. I can see the progress indicator gradually move up. When about 180 Kb has been downloaded the progress indicator disappears meaning that the page has fully been downloaded. Nevertheless the page is blank and with nothing on it.
I also have tried to modify the registry to make the PIE appear as a full browser but nothing seems to work.
Regards
Has anyone had this issue and resolved it via ROM upgrade? I'd be ready to upgrade the ROM right away if I knew it fixed this issue. If not, I'd rather not waste a few hours setting up, reinstalling, and configuring everything.
Does Mozilla Minimo work on the JasJar?
If it does - I believe that might offer a more feature full alternative to the bundled pocket PC InternetExplorer Galt.
Hope this helps
Finally remembered the address that I used to use for Google when I had this problem on my Jam...
http://www.google.com/webhp
That wont redirect you to the /pda page. There are probably similar pages for other websites, but this is the one I used most!
This registry hack will make Pocket Internet Explorer identify itself as IE 5.5 on Windows 2000. However it will prevent web sites that provide Pocket PC specific content to be able to know you're actually using a Pocket PC
Change Pocket IE to IE Version 5.5 (For Secured Sites)
1) Go to the HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\?CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\User Agent\ key. 2) Set the default value to "Mozilla/4.0" (Default is "Mozilla/2.0"). 3) Set the "Version" value to "MSIE 5.5" (Default is "MSIE 3.02"). 4) Set the "Platform" value to "Windows NT 5.0" (Default is "Windows CE").
This will only work on some secure sites that check version number rather than perform a check for support of secured transactions.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Registry
Carnivor said:
Change Pocket IE to IE Version 5.5 (For Secured Sites)
1) Go to the HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\?CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\User Agent\ key. 2) Set the default value to "Mozilla/4.0" (Default is "Mozilla/2.0"). 3) Set the "Version" value to "MSIE 5.5" (Default is "MSIE 3.02"). 4) Set the "Platform" value to "Windows NT 5.0" (Default is "Windows CE").
This will only work on some secure sites that check version number rather than perform a check for support of secured transactions.
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Tried that, didn't work for me.
sub69 said:
Finally remembered the address that I used to use for Google when I had this problem on my Jam...
http://www.google.com/webhp
That wont redirect you to the /pda page. There are probably similar pages for other websites, but this is the one I used most!
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Tried that, although it loaded the main page (I think I had it cached from wifi browsing) it didn't let me search from there.
I finally upgraded my ROM to the latest 1.13.53 version and still couldn't resolve this with alternate URLs or registry edits. Any ideas, anyone? I'm using the T-mob USA cab settings from imate...
I signed up for the T-Mobile USA internet (GPRS) few days ago.
I could establish the connection using my Universal.
I could browse most web sites, and could download emails from my company exchange server and Hotmail.
Only one strange thing, i could never download emails from Gmail. It will go to the login process, and when it reaches the Sending and Receiving... it will go forever.
I also noticed that I could not browse any google.com web sites including www.google.com, mail.google.com, news.google.com etc..
I tried to get T-Mboile technical support help but it has been useless and helpless. Somebody told me that it might be something to do with the MTU size that the T-Mobile network can pass along today.
If I swicth over the connection to Wifi or dial up via GSM, I can reach everything including Gmail and Google web sites just fine, from the same device (Universal).
Any one, that uses T-Mobile USA GPRS as well, can you please help?
Thanks.
hey I have t-mobile usa also but with the PDA2K (BlueAngel) when I was running WM5.0 and now back to 2003se I had no problems connecting to google.com/pda but I do know that their is a registry hack to make it go to the default google.com but I wouldn't advise it, becuase it interfeirs with other web sites.
Also T-Mobile has 2 data plans WAP and Total Internet the wap is limited to wap sites and such but the other is open to all sites, check your settings to make sure you are connecting to GPRS and not WAP.....
The difference is like 20 or 30 a month though
WAP 19.99 or 9.99
GPRS 29.99 and up for MyMail or VPN MyMail
I have the full GPRS (the new name: Total Internet for $30). Now its bundled with the hotspot and they are not longer offering the $20 for GPRS only.
Can you tell me what access point you set in your device? Mine is set to wap.voicestream.com and use no proxy. i noticed some ppl posted before that they proxy instead.
Thanks.
your connection is incorrect if you notice it is set to wap. even though you have the total internet that is only connecting you to the wap
your access point should be
internet2.voicestream.com or
internet3.voicestream.com
I used 3 on WM5 and it was fine I also use 3 on wm2003se
negative. I could connect to internet2.voicestream.com but not internet3.voicestream.com
internet2.voicestream.com gives me exactly same result.
I can connect to any websites but not google.com with both wap.voicestream.com as well as internet2.voicestream.com
very strange. anybody in Texas particularly has same issue?
I'm out of Massachusetts, but was in Dallas a few days ago and had no problem connecting to Google. I use internet2.voicestream.com
This issue has been driving me nuts for 6 months. I've been trying to nail down the problem, I'm wondering if it's a regional setting with T-mobile's servers or incorrect account set ups. Some people with other Universals and Wizards in other area's claim they do not have this problem.
Here's a general thread on Ho-fo that's been getting some hits, when I posted about it here on XDA forums there wasn't much response.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=605044
I actually have a couple friends how work for T-mob that thought the problem was with my JasJar until they got ahold of the MDA and discovered the exact same problem.
I've emailed google, just got a response saying they would forward the concern to their tech's. Please share any info or response you get so we can try to get this resolved!!
I've actually had the same problem and I'm on Cincinnati Bell (which is also Cingular & AT&T). I used to be able to connect with no problem on my PDA2k but with the Universal I can't connect. Actually, I've been able to hit the www.google.com/pda site and type in a search but then it just sits & spins forever.
I have the same problem with my MDA from T-mobile. It only happens sometimes. It always connect to google and m.gmail when using wi-fi, but is very hit or miss when connected over GPRS.
Thats the least of my problems however, as I am constantly getting dropped from the GPRS data network even with full coverage, and I'm in the NYC area. I have alerted T-mobile to both problems and am considering turning in my device since i still have a week to do so not because of the device but because of the connection issues with the network.
This has been a bit of a nightmare when it comes to email, because I came from using a blackberry where all my accounts were instantly pushed, to this now when sometime i get email, sometimes not, my Gmail doesnt work properly, and it can take a half an hour for the email to finally reach me.
No problems here
I have no problems connecting to Google.com from my Blue Angel, or from my friend's Wizard. I'm still waiting for my Universal.
I don't have Total Internet Plan, though. I just have the T-Zones hack: In Settings/Connections/Connections, go to "Edit my proxy server" and select "Advanced". HTTP server should be set to 216.155.165.50:8080. Any other HTTP settings should be cleared.
I've noticed in the past two days, however, that Google seems to have changed what it considers a "mobile device", based on the client's User-Agent string. It goes to www.google.com/xhtml if it detects a mobile device. Previously it went to www.google.com/pda , but for a smaller number of devices. Google's "mobile" page has fewer links on it, and is not as useful as the main page.
I use NetFront 3.2, which allows me to change the User-Agent string to make it look like a desktop browser. Today I changed it to:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51
I also changed the language/platform to en/x86.
This seems to make Google go back to the normal page.
But no connectivity problems are happening with GPRS. I can search Google, browse results, search newsgroups, search News, etc.
There was an T-mobile outage reported in California last week (search HowardForums). Perhaps this is related (routing issues?).
PS: It seems to depend on the User-Agent, whether www.google.com/pda or www.google.com/xhtml is used. If I run Pocket Internet Explorer, it still goes to /pda (searches work fine). If I run NetFront with factory settings, it goes to /xhtml. If I run Opera, or change Netfront as above, then it goes to the Google main page. In no cases does it have problems connecting. Response is a little faster on the main page, though, which would seem to indicate that Google Mobile does something which is slower.
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Google saying that they "don't support T-Mobile devices with Google Mobile" is like saying "best viewed with xxx browser". The phone provider should have no effect on the usability. Nor should Google have to go out of their way to provide a different experience for Mobile users, or to second-guess their needs based on a User-Agent string -- anyone with any browser should be able to use Google, and nothing special should be done for mobile.
I say disable Google Mobile, by changing the User-Agent.
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I have a T-Mobile MDA with the Total Internet plan and Google works fine for me.
Thanks for feedback folks. This isn't a new issue, I've had this problem for 6 months. I currently have my user agent set to IE 5.5/NT so that I can access my bank web page, I've tried several combinations of user-agent settings with no luck, can you explain the exact changes I'd need to make to try your current setting?
Also, I'm hoping that when Netfront releases a WM5 compatible version I can run through a proxy server (which I've also heard solves the problem).
This is with Blue Angel (SX66), WM2003, T-Mobile T-Zones proxy, NetFront 3.2, so your mileage may vary. I will be getting an O2 Exec any day now.
Tools/Browser Setting/Misc/User Agent/Edit
Title: (anything you want to call it)
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51
appName: (blank)
appVersion: (blank)
appCodeName: (blank)
language/platform: en / x86
Tools/Browser Setting/Network/Proxy (T-Zones only, not Total Internet)
Use Proxy: (checked)
Proxy (hostort) 216.155.165.50:8080
Note that NetFront 3.3 is coming out soon. I'm sure it will support WM5.0, but right now Access says "(* Its verification is not completed.)"
Have you tried Opera? It works with T-Zones proxy, at least in WM2003, if you set the proxy in the GPRS Connection Settings.
It might be worth trying the T-Zones hack. Go to My T-Mobile, log in, and then go to this T-Zones page (if that does not work, go to "Plan&Services, Learn About Services, Communication, T-Zones"). Add T-Zones (aka T-MobileWeb) to your plan. Then you should be able to use the proxy as described above. You can remove it later if you don't want to pay the $6/month extra. Some people have even reported being able to add it and remove it immediately, but keep the services.
I tested to connect to the internet via T-Mobile GPRS with my universal as a USB modem hooked up to my laptop.
And it gives a totally different behaviour compared when used directly from the Universal (with pocket IE and Mail application).
Besides a decent speed, I could browse to google, perform search etc, everything seems to work perfectly (from my laptop, Universal as a USB modem). When I browse the same thing again from the Universal, same problem occured again, never get any search result back from google, and GMail will stuck in the step "Sending and Receiving..." which will go forever until it times out.
I also tested with my Wallaby the same thing to make sure its not the device problem, and it turned out the same problem exists also.
I really could not pin point where the problem is. Please help to think, folks. Its not the device problem? Is it T-Mobile GPRS network problem? Or what?
Are there packet sniffers for PPC? Something like tcpdump, traceroute, ping? That would be my next step. See where it's hung up.
There are some PPC tools for that stuff, I played with an app called TCPTune (I think) but couldn't accomplish anything, I'm totally ignorant of the network stuff.
Re: No problems here
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In Settings/Connections/Connections, go to "Edit my proxy server" and select "Advanced". HTTP server should be set to 216.155.165.50:8080. Any other HTTP settings should be cleared.
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Holly crap I made this change (still with full Tmob internet plan) and a few registry edits based on your Netfront settings (probably butchered my registry) and manually forced a connection via my WAP settings and THEN LOADED GOOGLE OVER GPRS!! FULL HTML GOOGLE, NEWS GMAIL, IMAGES, ON MY JASJAR VIA GPRS OMG!! I'm really feeling very strong emotional feelings of like towards you right now Leek! :lol:
I'm having some trouble with google local not returning results (starts to load a page with a text box and then stops), not sure why but I suspect it's a problem with my hacked up user agent registry settings.
So, here's my question - I really don't mind paying the full $20 for regular GPRS (and wouldn't want to worry about full access via the $4.99 tzones going away), how do I either make this work using my regular GPRS settings (so I don't have to use an alternate connection) or how do I get the WAP settings to work as my primary settings for all programs? I was able to update my feeds and load images over this WAP settings just fine, but when I tried to check my email or load Agile messenger it tried to load my regular GPRS settings.
In order to figure out exactly which change made this work I went back and reset my PPC to a backup from last night. The only registry edits I have now are my old ones that made PIE show the version as "MSIE 5.5" & the platform as "Windows NT 5.0". Other than the changes below, I'm using the T-mobile CAB settings from i-mate.
I went into settings > connections > and below My Work Network I went to Manage existing settings and then clicked on the Proxy Settings Tab. The two check boxes were already checked but the proxy server was blank so I entered the 216.155.165.50 and then click on advanced. and it then showed that server under Type HTTP but the port was 80 not 8080, I then clicked on the HTTP server and edited the port to 8080 and then hit ok. I left all the other servers that were listed as is.
From the main Connections > Settings screen I then clicked on manage existing connections, it brought up the T-mobile WAP connection and then I click-held on that and selected connect. I then loaded PIE, navigated to Google and grinned as it loaded everything.
Under this connection type most other web pages I've been trying work fine, although some (like howard forums and search.yahoo.com) don't work. *edit hofo might be down right now*
The problem I was having initally with Google local (via web, haven't tried the local java app) is resolved and it now loads fine, as I suspected it must have been my hacked up user agent registry settings. I'm now also able to check and send POP email with this WAP connection, Agile Messenger connects to the servers.
Big thanks to leek for posting this fix here, now how can I make this my default connection and should I try to downsize my account to just the $5 tzones account?
found how to make it the default connection method (connections > settings > advanced > select networks > and then set the top drop down to "my work network".
Leek, buddy, I owe you a case of beer... This had been driving me nuts for 6 months, you solved it!!!
hi galt and leek,
I'm so excited to read that you guys succesfully solved this.
i could not try it out anymore, I changed my T-Mobile plan yesterday, I removed my total internet plan as I don't want to pay $30 per month without even able to access my primary email account: Gmail and google around.
SO, can you give summary again how to make this works?
I assume no extra application to install beside all standard application built in WM5.
Pls clarify:
1. Get T-MobileWeb /t-zones plan ($5.99)
2. set the proxy setting for HTTP with the port 8080 and left others empty (including the SOCKS, WAP)
3. Use the APN: wap.voicestream.com
Do I miss anything? Any reqistry setting I have to make?
That's it? And you can have full access to the internet? Can you clarify if Gmail is working via POP3?
I tried the proxy setting when I still had my total Internet plan but it did not work out. :`(
Until a recent nuke-n-pave, I had a persistent connection and everything worked. Now...
Every time I do *anything* involving an internet connection, it connects to MediaNet, then disconnects moments later. It even disconnects between web pages!
"My ISP" ([email protected]/CINGULAR1) won't work - always gives me an error message saying, "The answering modem has disconnected." I always have to use MediaNet.
Clicking on any link (e.g. in an email or SMS) starts up IE - but with a blank page. It doesn't even *try* to connect.
Push email (mail2web) won't work, even though email settings are set to "As items arrive" - I have to go to ActiveSync and click "Sync"
Please - any suggestions for fixing this would be very, very much appreciated!
OK, I flashed a new ROM and I seem to have my persistent connection back. Now the only problem I seem to have is that clicking a link in an email or SMS msg causes IE to open to blank page.
I think this might be due to installing a couple different things to try to get Oper Mini to function as my default browser. (None of them worked.) I think the uninstall didn't go smoothly and now I have a default browser issue.
Can someone tell me how to fully restore the settings for IE as default browser? I found the settings in HKCR for http and https and I restored them, but it's still not working.
Hi all, despite searching and trying lots of things out I have stuffed up my settings a bit, and now have a permanent 'sending mms' message - but anyway.
I am trying to set up my vodafone UK MMS settings. I believe I have the correct settings under MMS options (It did work briefly) but the bit I am struggling with is how to setup the parts under conenctions. When I got MMS working it broke Opera's net access over 3G. Truing to fox that with many cabs etc has left me very confused and now back to having everything workinge xcept MMS.
If I set the network conenction setup manager it creates Contract Internet and My Work Network (but the latetr seems to have no settings).
I have gone round in circles for a few days and so would be grateful for any advice or cab that sets this up properly - I had my own for O2 but am struggling here.
Cheers for any help.
Did you even try Vodafone's website?
this page:
http://help.vodafone.co.uk/system/s...&PARENT_TOPIC_TYPE=0&SOURCE_FORM=BROWSE_TOPIC
at top right has links to pdf's for tp2 detailing mail, internet, wap and MMS.
Go methodically through all 4 and you should be sorted.
Thank you - yes I did try that exact page on my travels before posting.
Part of the issue may be that I am using a 6.5.x Rom and the layout is not quite the same as that envisaged in the instructions I think.
I am trying again but as I said - I have tried this way already.
EDIT - still struggling - could someone with this working on a 6.5.x ROM walk me through their conenctions setup under settings (I have the MMS Options part I am sure).
aha... so it's normal connection settings you need
I have an Xperia on Vodafone on which i'm running a 6.5 Energy Rom . I manually tweak my settings as below... dunno if this will be of any help to you...
settings>connections>connections>advanced tab>select networks>select "contract internet" in top drop down>edit
> you should have a "contract internet" modem with number "internet" listed under modem; if not add it from your internet setting pdf.
>ADD wap settings as a new modem under the "CONTRACT INTERNET" settings (should be in your WAP setup pdf) (make sure no proxy set)(so you now have Auto Pick selected)> OK
on network management page for BOTH connections select "Contract Internet">ok>ok
go into std windows messaging client>on account selector screen select sms/mms>menu>mms options>servers>select whatever is there (Contract MMS in my case)>change "connect via" to "contract internet">OK
and I THINK that's all i do..
for anywhere you can select the connection use the "Contract Internet" option we've previously setup to auto switch between 3g and wap as needed.
hope that is of help...
Buff
Trying this now - but that looks like exactly what I was looking for (in terms of what to put in where) so if this does not work then I am stumped!
Cheers for the help.
EDIT: Still no joy - it just sits there telling me it is sending the message but never going past 0%
Will try this after a clean flash when TPC puts up his next rom - or might quickly flash the 17/3 energy rom.
Update:
I have sent a message - hurrah.
This seems to be related to the fact I enabled 3g. I usually turn off 3g to save battery, and live on Edge. Do you ned 3G for MMS to work on vodafone? Or was this a coincidence?
Just saw last post as i was typing more suggestions- woohoo!
I always leave 3g enabled BUT for me I travel an hour and a half to work on train and the reception is very variable, so leave all possible connections enabled, sometimes one drops when the other doesn't.
I'm not that bothered by battery life; energy roms get me easily a couple of days which means i never really consider power an issue.
but i don't think mms SHOULD be 3g related (unless it's something to do with the implementation of MMS on your sense 2.5 rom... hmmm)
I do believe that, thanks to your help, I now have this sorted!
It was all about which way to have things et up under the network management tab really - I was putting the wap conenction as a different heading rather than a modem under the normal one.
Anyway, following the latest EnergROM flash last night I have got it working again!
Thanks a lot for the help.
I am going to try and make a provisioning cab that will sort it all and will post it if I finish it. Its setting the default connections on the network management tab that might stump me but we will see - there are plenty of examples around - its just a question of time. the MMS settings are just a reg export as well.