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Emulation of iPhone Browser? Why not?

This question always crossed my mind, how come nobody has emulated the iPhone web browser? I've tried IE, Opera, and the mobile Firefox but they're all junk compared to the mobile Safari - mainly because of the finger movements that make it super easy to navigate. This is really the only advantage other than GUI "swiftness" the iPhone has.
Please discuss, and if your response is "why dunt u buy an itele lolz", you totally missed the point.

you have to try picsel browser, some ppl say its better than safari,
and about opera, if you tried opera mobile you have the wrong version because opera mini is the one you want to have. It is not very finger friendly but it is very fast and also very good to use with d-pad
cheers

well i only use opera mobile mini is not really my cop of tea

Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv

Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?

johnnyv5 said:
Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv
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Yes it does, nice demo.

Thanks, SkyFire looks very nice! I'm using Opera atm because it's the only half-decent browser I've found - however the zoom features suck because it can't render text correctly and you can't browse as swiftly compared to Safari. However SkyFire is very interesting, I'll be looking into this further.
Cheers

Saw in the Hermes thread that the WM6.1 PIE has an option that allows you to view the entire webpage then tap to zoom in on a certain portion of it. Sound familiar?

Wonder whatever happened to M$ deepfish browser? I wasn't one of the lucky ones who got on the beta test list. And I don't see anything new posted on the project website.

Is there any way to fool PIE into telling a site that it is an iPhone??
I know it's possible to get PIE to broadcast that it is a desktop, so why not an iPhone??

gregoryx said:
Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop.

gregoryx said:
Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop. Full sound & everything! Ive just been waiting for them to send my invitation since I signed up 2wks ago.

Well... Opera Mobile 9.5 will be released in a week or so. It's much better than Safari

Pisel would be just as good as safari - correction, better - if it supported flash. My only two gripes with picsel is the inability to view flash, and not being able to set it as my default browser. Its fast, the nearly-limitless zooming beats the pants off of anything available now or in near future. If I'm not planning to edit them, i open my text files with it too. :thumbsup:

Before we get Opera 9.5, the top two browsers in terms of speed are Netfront 3.5 followed by Opera Mini 4.
Netfront is way better than Picsel browser. Picsel is slooooww. It also have memory full problem, on top of other bugs.
I hve done some bencemark between all these browser in the Athena forum, if you're interested.

i been playing around with netfront... and im very impressed... its prob the fastest browser per load time... and its browsing is very nice allowing finger movements... also double tap on screen to zoom out of the page
which in turn opens up a window and allows u to use a nav box to scroll along the bigger portions of the page... i highly recommend for people to try it out ....
Edit: Netfront also has full ajax2.0 support

Best Browser?

Hi,
what you guys this is the best web browser for HTC Touch?
I think the Picsel Browser is very good.
Pls. tell us your best browser.
Thanks!

I've been using Opera.

I think opera mini right now but I think skynet or opera mobile 9 soon will be in the coming months. Both promising full browsing and skynet will be free

I think you mean skyfire browser.

Can some one tell me the difference between:
Picsel and Opera?

alpha_omega said:
I think opera mini right now but I think skynet or opera mobile 9 soon will be in the coming months. Both promising full browsing and skynet will be free
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Yeah, no Skynet browser please. We turn over control of our web browsing to them and before you know it they'll be self aware and launching our nukes against us. Judgment day. Then they'll activate Arnold to come back in time and kill you, because you are the future leader of mankind.

Ahhh, which browser
I actually like all of them IE, Opera, NetFront...
I have found that depending on the particular website, one will work better than the other. IE works just fine for a lot of websites and has the best compatibility. Opera is great for certain websites that IE just can't display properly. NetFront works best on (poorly written) websites that have too many damn frames and cutsie html features that only impress the person who made the website. The beauty is you can install and use more than one browser to make sure you get into the websites you need. (iPhone can't do that...) I, btw, need to link into my work with Citrix and the Touch is the only phone I know that can do it. I am the envy of my colleagues at work!
I will look for this Skyfire...?
DJ

Skyfire looks amazing if it ever gets released.
You can also check out the video here

deegimus said:
I actually like all of them IE, Opera, NetFront...
I have found that depending on the particular website, one will work better than the other. IE works just fine for a lot of websites and has the best compatibility. Opera is great for certain websites that IE just can't display properly. NetFront works best on (poorly written) websites that have too many damn frames and cutsie html features that only impress the person who made the website. The beauty is you can install and use more than one browser to make sure you get into the websites you need. (iPhone can't do that...) I, btw, need to link into my work with Citrix and the Touch is the only phone I know that can do it. I am the envy of my colleagues at work!
I will look for this Skyfire...?
DJ
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How can you place opera in your cube since its launched through java?

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How can you place opera in your cube since its launched through java?
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Creating shortcuts to Java apps

How do I get Opera to view full pages on my HTC Touch? I want to see pages like I see them on my computer.

ozab said:
How do I get Opera to view full pages on my HTC Touch? I want to see pages like I see them on my computer.
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I don't understand exactly what you mean. Opera Mini shows pages in standard view by default.

I dont see the FULL page when I type any URL. Pls. help.

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I didn't say I launched it through the Cube, but as you see, there is a way to do it. Does anyone have a copy of the Skyfire Beta?
DJ

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I didn't say I launched it through the Cube, but as you see, there is a way to do it. Does anyone have a copy of the Skyfire Beta?
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I signed up for the beta but nothing yet.
Have you checked out the video preview of Opera Mobile 9.5. It looks great and the notes says it supports flash, unfortunately they didn't demo that in the video.

EliteXen said:
I signed up for the beta but nothing yet.
Have you checked out the video preview of Opera Mobile 9.5. It looks great and the notes says it supports flash, unfortunately they didn't demo that in the video.
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Yes! Awesome! It's a great new world we live in! Every week something pops up that raises the bar. The hard part is waiting! HA!
Incidentally, I just loaded No2Chem's WM6.1clean ROM and IE seems to do everything better and faster.
DJ

SKYFIRE??

Does anyone know the grit on Skyfire?? its supposed to be a browser w/flash compatibility. The curiosity is killing me.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/

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Does anyone know the grit on Skyfire?? its supposed to be a browser w/flash compatibility. The curiosity is killing me.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/
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I know that I signed up for Beta!

in skyfire privacy it says: "we will save all your internet usage and all data like time, websites, etc...:"
it is discussed in many other subforums and all say the same: keep a way...

Keep away?? its a ploy? what gives

but is any good??

taz357 said:
but is any good??
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Its great as said by Brigthand, but, I hate the part where it says that 'it uses web server to capture the image of the whole web page and then sends it back to the device'. This is a great threat to our privacy who use devices to input credit card numbers; online banking etc.
My netfront still rules

Yes, understanding that I fully agree. Like someone looking over your shoulder. Definately not good!

Opera Mini does the same thing, so who cares? Just don't surf illegaly on your phone and you're good. Illegal stuff is usually too demanding for phones anyway...

I don't know why... but I guess I would trust Opera more then the creator of Skyfire. The data goes through a proxy in both which makes it much faster, same thing happens on the sidekicks.

did I get banned
hey I just got my skyfire invitation last night installed and started playing with it even checked some adult websites figured out that it does open all kinds of video but today avery time I try opening it it says lost network conection try again later just doesnt work wondering hat happened

wasn't there a transformer autobot named skyfire?

There was an announcement that it will go Public Beta Morrow!

The public beta is out now. I can't get it to work w/ the T-Zones proxy hack which is a bummer, it works over wifi tho. Pretty good so far, it plays youtube videos straight from the site.

skyfire
Hey skyfire runs good on my wing I have windows 6.1 OTPV6 and I just loaded version 0.85.0.7927 from the first forums page under development & hacking. Youtube looks good and runs smooth thats running wifi , but I did notice it takes lots of battery power

papamopps said:
in skyfire privacy it says: "we will save all your internet usage and all data like time, websites, etc...:"
it is discussed in many other subforums and all say the same: keep a way...
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Now don't most US carriers do the same thing anyway?? But like another users stated, If you’re not doing anything illegal on it, you’re good to use it. I've been using it on the old ATT Wireless (mMode) network and by that network being mainly WSP with limited Http support. Skyfire is wonderful. I have been using Opera mini and Mobile to get things done completely through http but still hitting brick walls with some sites.
With skyfire, the only wall I've come to thus far is openview... site with its certificate needing to be installed/accepted. Looking for a solution on that now. Other than that is GREAT for me and my $25 true unlimited data plan.
Here is the skyfire 0.85 public cab file.

Skyfire is a great program.

Try skyfire now!!!!!!
I like skyfire. iv been using it for a while now. it is alittle buggy but i think its worth it. It loads web pages pretty fast without wifi and with wifi enabled its really fast for a mobile browser. i just think the scrolling and the zooming function could be way better.I know that skyfire reqires your phone number to work but if your interested in trying then try this download i have below. its an older beta version, (my first 1 actuallyfrom about a year ago lol) this version may only work with wi fi enabled. Just extract, then drag the folder anywhere on your pocket pc. let me know how this works for u guys.

skyfire and opera are completely different to me skyfire has flash settings for ANY WEBSITe includin for the lonely people xD and i dont think opera has flash settings like skyfire but i hate skyfire load up screen but you need a connection i use wi fi so that a con on opera

Skyfire is Awesome!!
i have been using skyfire for three days now and it works flawless. as to the privacy issue, just dont go to places you would put vital info and just browse other sites for fun and distraction. i have been able to go to all my favorite sites. all worked wonderfull.

Skyfire too slow or too buggy?
Hi,
I asked this in another thread last week, but noone answered.
I'm using my mobile phone HTC HD2 since 2 weeks.
I'm searching a webbrowser which is able to play flash streams.
I used Opera 10... it didn't work
I tried Opera 9.5 with this fix of another thread... it didn't work
And for a few days I tried Skyfire 1.5x and the stream beginns to load, but all sites are loading very, very slowly. The other browser are loading faster.
By the way... the stream loads, but just 47% and then it's over... :'-(
Now my question:
Is there a webbrowser which is able to play flash streams?
What is the problem of Skyfire??
Regards
GameCrasher

Internet Explorer Mobile 6 - Something worth looking forward to...

Hi,
IE 6 for mobile devices has been anncounced. When will it be available? Can't say for sure, but for more info including screenshots, go here: http://www.theunwired.net/?item=bro...obile-6-aka-6-on-6-is-real-and-shows-its-face
I really like the compatibility option in IE6! Not to mention, it'll include flash.
Looks like with this or skyfire, we won't have any problem with flash sites on Xperia or any other mobile device for that matter...
Best regards.

Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.

htcplussony said:
Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.
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This was what was said by Microsoft when it first announced IE Mobile 6: "The new version of Internet Explorer Mobile adds the ability to easily view full-screen Web pages and multimedia on the Web with a smartphone. By taking advantage of Internet Explorer 6 technologies and supporting established and upcoming industry standards such as H.264, Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight, the updated Internet Explorer Mobile gives people a rich mobile Internet experience."

hard to get excited imho
most people who are into computer
are moving away from all browsers
made by ms as they are less secure and
behind with nicking features from the rest
and a lot slower
i'll take a chome, opera, firefox or even safari on my wm
device before i turn back to PIE

i tried chrome, i moved back to explorer!
chrome is like a lite version of explorer.

I used to think I felt that way, but I find myself more and more turning to PIE when I just want to check Facebook or Engadget. I can browse one handed, and over GPRS it's much faster (not the browser itself, but as the mobile versions of these pages bring down much less data...) and loads up faster as well. I still like Opera for the full web experience but PIE does come in handy...much better on my battery life as well.

Talking of browsers from Microsoft... (not on mobile device) you should definitely check out IE 8 Beta preview... it has improved a lot!
I have Firefox and Chrome installed on my laptop, but mostly use IE.

i perfer PIE too, it loads instantly!
Opera Mobile 9.5 takes 2-3 seconds to load.
i love Opera mobile 9.5 too, i use it for those sites that PIE cant handle.

After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out

pf said:
After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out
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I kind of went through that same phase... IE had become completely unreliable. But disabling pop-ups pretty much took care of any such problems, not to mention adding a spyware to the machine doesn't hurt either.

support for low-bandith friendly transcoding proxy in Opera 9.7[Opera Turbo]

edit Feb13: Opera Turbo http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2009/02/12/ does exactly what i want to do. so does toonel (it refuses to run on my device though)
anybody willing to work on this? i looked it up but got nothing as there are no full-fledged bandwidth friendly web browser.
adding the ability for opera mobile to use these proxies (like opera mini) would make opera far more usable to many people that use their phones on hsdpa/3g/edge/gprs
UCweb and opera mini both use a transcoding proxy for all their http traffic. for example loading www.engadget.comm on opera mobile is about 1MB vs only 80KB for the same page on UCweb or 90kb on opera mini. the smaller version have no flash and lower quality pictures (not that important on a phone tiny screens and resolutions)
for me a good compromise is to use two browsers one for wifi (opera mobile with all it cool features) and another for 3g/edge(UCweb). but i rather simplify my life + it would be really good to make use of all the extra featurs of opera mobile when browsing in low badwidth mode

btw
for thoes that dont know it, the advantages of using a browser like opera mini and UCweb:
-significantly cheaper (should be about %80 cheaper)for thoes that dont have flat rate.
-much faster experiance especially for thoes who are on edge.
-better battery life since you can turn off 3G and still maintain a reasonable speed browsing the low badwidth version of the same page on edge/gprs.
-telco blocked sites work

I dunno about a proxy you can configure your browser onto. But I do know:
http://www.skweezer.com/ and the (IMHO) better http://www.mlvb.net/ since its a lot more configurable.

thanks schaggo
your two sites are very usuful to what i want to do indeed. i will play with them some more to see if i can get them to run better on my wvga Xperia
it would however be very useful to to somehow get opera mobile make to use them or a similar site as proxy with a flick of a button.
i wonder if such a simple and useful feature is on the to do list of a future opera mobile version

I havent thought that one through, but couldnt you just set a prefix in the options (opera:config) which goes like http://www.mlvb.net/ which then would preceed all the adresses you enter. No...?

You should check Toonel
http://www.toonel.net/
It is free and it has a windows mobile version (check the downloads page).
I used it a couple of times with opera mobile and it works.

This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?

never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.

schaggo said:
This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?
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i would like a coffe machine

white paper for opera turbo. hope it works better than toonel
worth a read very short paper
http://www.opera.com/business/file/Opera_Turbo_white_paper.pdf

stupid question:
anyone got a proxy i can use with toonel?

You might also be interested in Google Wireless Transcoder. Though not as many options as in mlvb or skweezer, it's definately faster than them.

Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse horny teens might end up using it to watch low quality pixelated heavely compressed dirty pictures. the only reason why skweezer and mlvb still work is because our proxy people did not notice them yet
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported

fatso485 said:
never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.
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doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!

Opera mini
I've tried the various site (ie the google's one). They work, quite well, but you loose completely the original format of the web pages. You win the zoom capability of Opera mobile.
But I still think the last version of OperaMini/Jbed is faster and easier.
Really irnterested though in this new Opera Turbo. We will see.

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doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!
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you are talking about opera mini(UCWEB is better if you ask me btw) and that ties you to a simple browser
wish i could test the google proxy. whats the ip address of that server mabe they forgot to block the ip address in our proxy?

ather90 said:
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Too many expenses this month and I just got a Touch Pro while still holding on to my XPERIA. I guess you'd have to wait another month or so
fatso485 said:
Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse ...
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported
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<- first par of msg
but yeah, youre right, speeding up mobile browsing is a good thing to do, especially if - on top of it - compresses the datastream and you save some bandwith. Theres only one major flaw until now: there is the word b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s in the URL to the whitepaper, seems like its something you have to license and pay bigtime to use it. Hmmm...
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Guess not. Enter opera:config in Opera Mobile and in the searchfield which will appear on the page which loads enter turbo and do a search. Tick the checkbox and restart Opera...

i enabled the turbo mode like schaggo said but there is no difference in speed or anything if it does nothing why do they include it

I think the Turbo-option in Opera Mobile has nothing (not yet, at least) to do with the announced Opera Turbo-technology. Because the option is there since like ever, long before Opera announced Turbo. It has to be something different, this option triggers, I have no idea what, though.

This is the Turbo Mode currently available in Opera:
Disable Turbo mode
While this might sound a little bit strange at first to disable turbo mode and present it as a tip to speed up Opera it becomes clear soon. Turbo mode means that Opera pre-draws any image which means that you see part of it although it is not fully loaded. This uses CPU and memory and could increase overall performance especially on slower computers. It should not be noticeable on fast computers though.
Type about:config and enter Turbo into the search field. Disable Turbo Mode and click on save.
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Taken from: several blogs in my.opera.com, including Tamil's one.