I think it would be a great idea to have some sort of thumb print software that would lock our diamonds. But has to have your thumb print to unlock the phone. Let me know ideas on development.
Well.. i guess this isn't possible because there is no finger print scan thingy in the diamond, so it cant scan if its really ur thumb
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Well.. i guess this isn't possible because there is no finger print scan thingy in the diamond, so it cant scan if its really ur thumb
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Agree and the only way i can see this ever happening is if the camera was utilized and even then, the idea is skeptical.
is there no way we could program it to measure the points on you finger? but i guess there has to be some sort of biometrics involved.
i guess it may be coming check this out
http://www.scientificblogging.com/n...ryption_using_only_pictures_your_mobile_phone
its a pressure sensitive screen... it might be possible with a capacitive screen like the iPhone's and G1's heat sensing screen, but even then i find it HIGHLY unlikely
Even if its fake and gimmicky Symbian and Apple already have this app and I want it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXyt-Ui5AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYgFYTjEFQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgtLzarNJ3Y
Nope. Highly highly highly unlikely this can be done. Our screens are just not sensitive enough to scan our thumb prints.
You can always have a fake, whereby it just looks like it's scanning your thumb print and unlock the phone. But it really defeats the purpose, because no added security at all.
It will be rally good to make some fake such as on the 5800, most of wm users will love it ;-) But with biometric scanner, ehm, we have to wait
you've got more chance of getting a working iris scanner for that.
i've seen a laptop do that using a webcam, so a phone with front-cam should be able to do it too(but at what battery and patience cost?)
itsallsubliminal
its a pressure sensitive screen... it might be possible with a capacitive screen like the iPhone's and G1's heat sensing screen, but even then i find it HIGHLY unlikely
Exactly if we could make a app that would measure how hard we would press the screen and we be able to go back re configure how hard the screen need to be pressed to unlock the phone
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itsallsubliminal
its a pressure sensitive screen... it might be possible with a capacitive screen like the iPhone's and G1's heat sensing screen, but even then i find it HIGHLY unlikely
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Exactly if we could make a app that would measure how hard we would press the screen and we be able to go back re configure how hard the screen need to be pressed to unlock the phone
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The main need for the lock screen is in the following situation:
Phone is in your pocket (or bag), a hard key is accidentally pressed, the device wakes up. This by itself is not a problem, since without anything else happening the device will go back to sleep, but, if another hard key is pressed while the device is active (screen press can not happen while in pocket, since it's capacitive), the device can start do annoying things.
Now, if the proximity sensor can be designed to switch on when device wakes up, and put it back to sleep (immediately) if device is in pocket/bag, this will kill the need for a lock screen. This is totally possible and just awaits the programmer who wants to make our lives easier...
hm. try pocketShield?
it locks and unlocks your device by use of the light sensor.
Interesting. I will use it for now.
The problem with using a light sensor is that if you use the phone in the dark it won't unlock. Proximity sensor won't have this problem hence it's a better sensor for the task.
Apparently this will happen even without the help of the XDA community...
I've just sent the following email to PocketShield:
Hi,
I would like to know if you are working to utilize the HD2's proximity sensor for unlock (like you did for Omnia). If so, when should we expect a version with this feature ?
Thank you very much.
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This is their answer:
That’s the idea, but can’t confirm that yet because we are not sure if hooking into the proximity sensor will be possible. Hope yes, as in Omnia2. Just received our new HD2 today and will start to dive into it next week.
Best Regards,
Jim
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so has anyone tested this for the hd2?
http://www.pocketshield.net/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxY9t34TTI
Noam23 said:
The problem with using a light sensor is that if you use the phone in the dark it won't unlock. Proximity sensor won't have this problem hence it's a better sensor for the task.
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Use TouchLockPro. It has both light and proximity sensor and it is free.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxY9t34TTI
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Looks like the guy from the answering machine has found a new job
won't this increase battery drain dramaticly? i think it will becouse it will be constantly looking for light and using that proximity sensor..
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The main need for the lock screen is in the following situation:
Phone is in your pocket (or bag), a hard key is accidentally pressed, the device wakes up. This by itself is not a problem, since without anything else happening the device will go back to sleep, but, if another hard key is pressed while the device is active (screen press can not happen while in pocket, since it's capacitive), the device can start do annoying things.
Now, if the proximity sensor can be designed to switch on when device wakes up, and put it back to sleep (immediately) if device is in pocket/bag, this will kill the need for a lock screen. This is totally possible and just awaits the programmer who wants to make our lives easier...
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You are wrong about one important detail though. The screen is very sensitive and can easily be pressed through the lining of your pocket, and even through fairly thick fabric like jeans.
it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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hi, the pants didnt have to be that thin. i think the hd2 screens also vary a lot, in being more or less sensitive. another thing is that people are deifferent when it cames to electric fields. also sweating can affect the display. i startet programs and other touchscreen things already, when the device was in my pocket.
regards mad
jamieeeee said:
won't this increase battery drain dramaticly? i think it will becouse it will be constantly looking for light and using that proximity sensor..
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In the case of Pocketshield, it won't. Because all sensors only turn on during a short period of time (seconds). Once you unlock or turn off, sensors go to sleep. This is one of the reasons why "auto lock" is not possible, because that will indeed involve a permanent monitoring on the sensors.
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it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say it was sensitive to pressure, but rather that direct contact between skin and the screen is not necessary. Holding my finger on one side of the fabric, and the other side of the fabric touching the screen, this is registered by the screen as a touch EVERY TIME. There are maybe materials that completely isolates the screen, for other materials it probably depends on how thick they are. For me it is certainly possible to influence the screen even through pretty thick cotton fabric (maybe other types of fabric too, I wear mostly cotton), leather, and even paper. Just to test it, I just did a slide to unlock my HD2 through a pile of papers (granted it wasn't a very thick pile, only six sheets of paper thick), and through my leather shoes (this was a little trickier, I had to to make sure that my foot made good contact with the leather at the point where I was sliding my phone across the shoe). i can interact with the screen through normal denim jeans fabric without any problem, and the pocket lining of trousers are usually quite thin, so accidental interaction with the screen seems almost unavoidable if the screen is unlocked in the pocket.
I have actually had some problems a couple of times when the slide to unlock had been deactivated on my HD2. I once took my phone out of my pocket and it was at the confirmation screen for factory reset, and I have actually had the phone hard reset on me once which I suspect may have been caused by the slide to unlock being deactivated. I would never knowingly put an unlocked phone in my pocket, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but you're welcome to do as you please.
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You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say it was sensitive to pressure, but rather that direct contact between skin and the screen is not necessary. Holding my finger on one side of the fabric, and the other side of the fabric touching the screen, this is registered by the screen as a touch EVERY TIME. There are maybe materials that completely isolates the screen, for other materials it probably depends on how thick they are. For me it is certainly possible to influence the screen even through pretty thick cotton fabric (maybe other types of fabric too, I wear mostly cotton), leather, and even paper. Just to test it, I just did a slide to unlock my HD2 through a pile of papers (granted it wasn't a very thick pile, only six sheets of paper thick), and through my leather shoes (this was a little trickier, I had to to make sure that my foot made good contact with the leather at the point where I was sliding my phone across the shoe). i can interact with the screen through normal denim jeans fabric without any problem, and the pocket lining of trousers are usually quite thin, so accidental interaction with the screen seems almost unavoidable if the screen is unlocked in the pocket.
I have actually had some problems a couple of times when the slide to unlock had been deactivated on my HD2. I once took my phone out of my pocket and it was at the confirmation screen for factory reset, and I have actually had the phone hard reset on me once which I suspect may have been caused by the slide to unlock being deactivated. I would never knowingly put an unlocked phone in my pocket, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but you're welcome to do as you please.
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oh, i didn't know it was that sensitive, then, i can really see a need for an apps like this.
but, what about just a normal case? slip it in and out? i mean, i think that COULD solve your problem in a 'no thrills' sorta way... but it wouldnt be as exciting now would it?
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hi, the pants didnt have to be that thin. i think the hd2 screens also vary a lot, in being more or less sensitive. another thing is that people are deifferent when it cames to electric fields. also sweating can affect the display. i startet programs and other touchscreen things already, when the device was in my pocket.
regards mad
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this of course is also true.
taking this into account, i would suggest everybody ground themselves. lol, no... just kidding. i don't even think that would help.
Hi all! Im in love with this community from day 1
its my 1st thread though seeking for help/advice/your superior knowledge
Thing is that i want to mount my phone in my car using a small magnet attached somewhere at the dashboard and stick my HD2s back cover which is metallic...
my question is: is it possible because of the nature of the magnet to cause problems in the phones operation?? like radio interference or something like this?
looking forward to your answers
i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
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Yes, obviously it will but thats the least of my worries as it wont be permanently attached to the magnet and the times it will, i wont be needing the compass app.
so if thats the only problem i think im gonna give a try to this project...
A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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Does this mean that a magnet at the back could interfere with the circuit of the screen? and if yes i guess is temporary right?
waiting for more thoughts/input on the subject
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A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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WOW!!!! your talents are wasted on here my friend!! lol
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WOW!!!! your talents are wasted on here my friend!! lol
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this is school knowledge...
after some trial and error i found out that the back cover of HD2 although it looks metallic apparently its not coz it can't be attached to a magnet...
That would only mean that it is not made of an iron compound
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this is school knowledge...
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not in my school my friend lol must say it wasnt the nicest, the teachers had a torrid time! lol i DO know how to use a bunsun burner, is that any help? lmao. Happy Christmas bud.
magnet
I think it is made from stailess steel.magnets do not work on S/S.
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magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
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Is that true? I know old compasses relied on a magnetised needle to work, but I thought the compass in the HD2 got it's direction from the GPS and the accelerator software??? How would a magnet affect these?
Armes said:
Is that true? I know old compasses relied on a magnetised needle to work, but I thought the compass in the HD2 got it's direction from the GPS and the accelerator software??? How would a magnet affect these?
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no it's a dedicated compass hardware
Actually, even my notebook apparently hurts it! Looses calibration
yes several times when i opened the compass application arround various interferences it asked me to move it in the usual 8-like movement to calibrate itself..
what about the rest of the phone and memory and SD card wouldnt it affect the storage ? i clecned out my speakerphone with a very small magnet yesterday to get all the lil pieces stuck on it.
and after that my phone(touch pro2) completely froze up and kept freezing up after first input untill i did a hard reset.
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i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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i did another little test with a small round magnet around 2cm diameter. i moved it around the back of the phone while looking at the screen and i didnt notice any interference to the screen, at least to my eyes it looked like the magnet did not interfere with the phone at all.
However i moved the magnet to the screen and tried to touch the screen gently with the edge of the magnet and the screen responded immediately and it looked very precise too! i did several presses to the screen with the magnet and in all of them the screen responded exactly as it should, just like it should with the press of a finger, i even wrote some letters as text and it worked great. so i guess thats how they make capacitive stylus..
next time im gonna try to draw on notes application and see how precise it is on that.. (as long as i find a smaller magnet that i can handle better than this one)
i might try to make my own capacitive stylus....
why not....
I have attatched a magnet to the back of my HD2 so i can use my vent mount, i havent noticed any adverse effects.
i have applied the de-sensitive cab but when i use my finger to press down and drag selections, i can never be precise .. the screen starts to "shiver" around like Jack from the Titanic ...
hmmm is there any tweak to reduce this?
BTW, do i need to align the screen regularly?
thanks!!!
appreciate any help on this
I too have the same problem. I have read the other exhaustive thread on screen problems but couldn't come to a conclusion. Is this a software issue or hardware fault?
Do you mean the built in tactile feedback vibration where the screen buzzes to let you know it's been touched?
Settings/Personalise/Vibration/and then uncheck the box
Try the screen sensitivity reducing tips, or better still use BSBtweaks, it has a toggle to reduce sensitivity that works.
also, i found being too gentle with my fingertip makes it juddery. a firm press with the pad of teh finger works better for me than the tip.
I align my screen after any hard reset / rom flash.
i had this issue too, it appeared suddenly a few days after i upgraded the radio on my previous rom. with the current combination everything is in place now.
I would say it is a hardware fault. My first HD2 was perfect with no screen sensitivity issues. Unfortunately, it was accidentally damagaed and I had to replace it. The replacement unit did suffer from the sensitivity issue and although the sensitivity fix improved things substancially, it it still wasn't anywhere near as good as my original unit. So it went back to the store and they game me a replacement which I am happy to say doesn't have the sensitivity issue and is a joy to use again.
The new unit does however have an uneven backlight but I'll probably live with that as it's the lesser of two evils!
omg why cant they built it right one time!
Are you guys using a screen protector?
I used to have perfect screen behaviour. Recently, I saw the multitude of cheap 3 for $x screen protectors, and tested about 8 different brands.
Some were pure crap, didn't prevent fingerprints or oil...
The mirror ones and some clear ones killed sensitivity!!! Made my touches jump all over, my presses inaccurate.
Some matt screen protectors were too thin and were absolutely useless (and easy to scratch).
Only a few were good enough not to cause a problem.
Can only suggest you try remove the screen protector if you encounter the same issue.
Cheers
Unfortunately this is a known problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
Getting the device changed has helped to reduce this in some cases.
leobox1 said:
i have applied the de-sensitive cab but when i use my finger to press down and drag selections, i can never be precise .. the screen starts to "shiver" around like Jack from the Titanic ...
hmmm is there any tweak to reduce this?
BTW, do i need to align the screen regularly?
thanks!!!
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i was trying out the iphone, i noticed
iphone screen is matte.. no stickiness if sweat and swipe is smooth..
hd2 glossy if you sweat, you get friction... swipe depends on friction
if i were to put a matte screen protector, maybe it helps? anyone knows about this?
IPhone 3gs and HTC Hero both have an oleophobic coated screen which greatly reduces fingerprints and smudges. HD2 does not. Don't know why HTC don't use this tech on all of their capacitve screens.
ok i used a matte screen protector... result = smoother flicks and less finger prints.. but shivers is MORE...
hmmm what is wrong with our screen? * i tried iphone... NO ERRORS in typing..
could it be our software compensation for errors is screwed? u know as in the software is predicting the center of the finger wrongly
leobox1 said:
ok i used a matte screen protector... result = smoother flicks and less finger prints.. but shivers is MORE...
hmmm what is wrong with our screen? * i tried iphone... NO ERRORS in typing..
could it be our software compensation for errors is screwed? u know as in the software is predicting the center of the finger wrongly
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all people i know has this issue i think it is software htc is not a fool company to release all devices defected
and i wonder why they take so long to fix it..
sometimes my phones touchscreen becomes unresponsive when its flat on its back on a table for example. I unlock the screen with the trackpad or power button so that the screen comes on. Then when i try to slide the lockscreen it doesnt do anything. When i begin sliding the bar from the total edge of the screen it sometimes works.
Usually i just have to pick up the phone to get the touchscreen working again. actually, when i even lift up the phone the slightest bit, it works again.
Weird right?
anyone else experiences this issue ?
I assumed it was designed to work like this. Makes me move my phone rather than just slide to snooze the alarm then go back to sleep.
Same here. I think it has to do with the capacative toucscreen.
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wileykat said:
I assumed it was designed to work like this. Makes me move my phone rather than just slide to snooze the alarm then go back to sleep.
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you're saying you move your phone to snooze the alarm? didnt know it could do that, gonna try that out tomorrow morning
forgot to mention the issue is not ROM specific. I have witnessed it on virtuous, CM, MIUI, stock
Ive had this problem as well. Slightly annoying!
I don't think its a design issue..
you don't have to lift your phone to get the screen to respond.
notice that it is enough just to touch the body of the phone to make the screen responsive again..
for me its very annoying, especially not being able to snooze the alarm in the morning
Let me point out that this happens with my G1 also so its not just the G2.
Yeah, there are a few discussions about this on the forums already. It's most likely a capacitance issue. When your phone is just sitting on a table and you touch the display, you may not create enough capacitance with the touchscreen for it to register as a touch (as opposed to resistive touchscreens which needed only physical contact but were less accurate as a result). Touching the body of the phone basically creates a common ground or voltage reference point for the phone, allowing your finger to create the needed amount of capacitance (in technical terms, no longer a floating ground). Whenever I touch the screen while the phone is lying on a table, I just always make sure to rest either my thumb or ring finger on one of the edges.
A lot of factors will also come into play---whether or not your phone is in a case, type of material the phone is resting on, the level of humidity in the air, even potentially the type of shoes you are wearing. This is why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
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(...) Touching the body of the phone basically creates a common ground or voltage reference point for the phone, allowing your finger to create the needed amount of capacitance (in technical terms, no longer a floating ground). (...)
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yes! I just figured this out myself. merely touching the body of the phone makes the screen respond to my fingers.
well in that case its not really a big problem. from now on i just touch teh body with my middle finger while sliding with my index finger =D
liory said:
notice that it is enough just to touch the body of the phone to make the screen responsive again..
for me its very annoying, especially not being able to snooze the alarm in the morning
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Will give this a go tomorrow, I hope it doesn't work!!!.... I'm gonna be forever snoozing with 2 fingers now!!!
This seems to be temperature related (and it doesn't happen on a mytouch 3g)
I live in Minnesota and I deliver pizza. When I would need to call a customer to get into an apartment building, I would set the phone on top of the pizza bag and dial with one hand.
When I first got my G2 (early november) I had no problems doing this, then one day it wouldn't respond at all to touch. I still had my old mytouch 3g with me because the old number wasn't ported yet, and I was able to use that to make the call. It wasn't until later that I realized that the problem was caused by the cold and that I needed to touch the metal part to make it work, so I thought that the touchscreen on my 2 week old G2 had just died.
At room temperature the touch screen always works (I can silence the alarm while it's sitting on the table), but temperatures below 50F cause problems
I started noticing this as well. Sometimes I'll hit the power button to turn my phone on from idle-state and then I'll drag the unlock button with to no avail! But then again, I do use my thumb to do it so maybe the capacitance by using the thumb isn't good enough to unlock it.
I use my phone at work a lot so in order to text while being discreet, I usually have the phone in my right hand and text / unlock the phone using my thumb. I doubt it is a defect but it had me worried too. Guess I'm not the only one experiencing this. (Although I must say, dragging my thumb to swype and using the side of my thumb probably is the reason why it sometimes doesn't work)
Back when I had my g1 it did the same thing and experience this on my g2....if its laying down its like it thinks its just on in your pocket so the touch seems limited
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Elegy said:
sometimes my phones touchscreen becomes unresponsive when its flat on its back on a table for example. I unlock the screen with the trackpad or power button so that the screen comes on. Then when i try to slide the lockscreen it doesnt do anything. When i begin sliding the bar from the total edge of the screen it sometimes works.
Usually i just have to pick up the phone to get the touchscreen working again. actually, when i even lift up the phone the slightest bit, it works again.
Weird right?
anyone else experiences this issue ?
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Not weird. TOTALLY normal and expected.
It is because it has a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN.
This means that when you touch the screen, your finger is actually COMPLETING AN ELECTRIC CIRCUIT.
When the phone is lying on a table and you touch it, you are NOT completing the circuit since you are NOT touching the phone's body.
When the sensor is on, there is an electrical difference between the surface of the screen and the body of the phone. When you touch BOTH, you alter the electric field in that localized area of the screen. The sensor detects the change in voltage and determines the location of the contact.
dhkr123 said:
Not weird. TOTALLY normal and expected.
It is because it has a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN.
This means that when you touch the screen, your finger is actually COMPLETING AN ELECTRIC CIRCUIT.
When the phone is lying on a table and you touch it, you are NOT completing the circuit since you are NOT touching the phone's body.
When the sensor is on, there is an electrical difference between the surface of the screen and the body of the phone. When you touch BOTH, you alter the electric field in that localized area of the screen. The sensor detects the change in voltage and determines the location of the contact.
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So how do I adjust the sensitivity? As I understand it I could increase the voltage to the screen making it easier to complete the circuit...such as through thin gloves.....
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dhkr123 said:
Not weird. TOTALLY normal and expected.
It is because it has a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN.
This means that when you touch the screen, your finger is actually COMPLETING AN ELECTRIC CIRCUIT.
When the phone is lying on a table and you touch it, you are NOT completing the circuit since you are NOT touching the phone's body.
When the sensor is on, there is an electrical difference between the surface of the screen and the body of the phone. When you touch BOTH, you alter the electric field in that localized area of the screen. The sensor detects the change in voltage and determines the location of the contact.
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This is mostly true.
Put the phone on the table and dont touch it and try to swipe to unlock.
No touch a finger on the phone body and do it again, itll work.
Doesn't seem to always fit that behavior, but more often than not.
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So how do I adjust the sensitivity? As I understand it I could increase the voltage to the screen making it easier to complete the circuit...such as through thin gloves.....
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You don't. You should NOT even if you could. It would not work as you expect since it is NOT a matter of sensitivity, but of CONDUCTIVITY.
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This is mostly true.
Put the phone on the table and dont touch it and try to swipe to unlock.
No touch a finger on the phone body and do it again, itll work.
Doesn't seem to always fit that behavior, but more often than not.
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It is not "mostly" true, it is PRECISELY true.
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It is not "mostly" true, it is PRECISELY true.
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No reason for the condescending tone in every post (or if it's not your intention to be condescending, you may want to restrain your constant use of caps). You had stated:
dhkr123 said:
This means that when you touch the screen, your finger is actually COMPLETING AN ELECTRIC CIRCUIT.
When the phone is lying on a table and you touch it, you are NOT completing the circuit since you are NOT touching the phone's body.
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Someone was just pointing out that if this was "precisely" true as you put it, then the screen should never be responsive if you aren't touching the phone's body (since the circuit is, based on your reasoning, still broken). This isn't the case though since it does work sometimes. How could your statement be precisely true if it's known to be false sometimes (hence the "mostly true" comment)?
And it's actually not true. You are not completing an electric circuit. No current flows from your finger into the screen and no components within the phone are electrically coupled because of your touch. As you stated, you are altering the electric field when you touch the screen. This results in a change in capacitance in that area. Note, this change occurs even when you are not touching the phone's body, just to a different degree. Touching the phone will typically increase the amount of capacitance as opposed to when you are not though (since you are basically "grounding" yourself to the phone). The more capacitance there is, the easier it is to measure. If there is too little capacitance, the touchscreen's microcontroller will not register the change at all. Even if it does register the change, there will be additional filtering that occurs to that raw data either in the microcontroller itself or in software (or both).
This is why the screen works sometimes when you touch it without touching the rest of the phone. You are still causing a change in capacitance. The amount of change depends on numerous factors (this is what I stated in an earlier post). These factors effect how grounded both you and the phone are relative to earth ground (in the electrical sense, not geographical). Typically speaking though, if you are relatively close to earth ground, then you will be able to use the screen without touching the body of the phone. For example, someone stated earlier that the screen doesn't work when it's cold. Cold weather results in lower humidity/drier air and you being less grounded (basically why people see an increase in static electricity as well). Chances are that the touchscreen would work again without the touching the phone's body if you had physically been touching a large piece of metal with your other hand (to help ground you).
So in response to the other question posed, yes, technically by raising the voltage level to the touchscreen, it may result in a more sensitive screen since there will be a larger increase in capacitance when you touch it. It may also reduce the life of the touchscreen though, if not damage it completely, so not a good idea. It would be better to figure out the filtering mechanism if possible and adjust that in software. Not sure if any devs have looked into it (though my guess is that if it was simple, it would have been done already).
I am so happy I found this thread..
Lately I thought my touchscreen was broken because I was unable to snooze my alarm in the morning (just as some of you seem to have been trying to do).
I think it's temperature related as suggested by the person who mentioned pizza delivery.. and I think this because it only happens on mornings where I've left the bedroom window open and it's very cool. My phone is often on a cold wooden surface. however even picking up the phone doesn't seem to help (I'll have to pay more attention next time) but after a few moments of struggling it eventually works (probably warms up in my hand and gets a better circuit).
I can also vouch that the screen works great with just a single finger on a flat surface, provided it's room temperature. I don't need to touch the body at all, and I do this a lot without issues (aside from cold mornings waking up to my alarm).
I know that mechanically, the S5 fingerprint scanner works DIFFERENTLY than the iPhone. But I'm curious how it compares in terms of reliability. For many people, the iPhone fingerprint scanner works virtually 100% of the time, so it is very quick and easy to unlock phone.
How is it on the Samsung Galaxy S5? Are you constantly having to reswipe your finger and readjust your grip to get it to work? Or, once you get the hang of it, does it reliably work the first time, every time?
Especially interested in hearing from people who have used both the S5 and an iPhone touch ID.
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In order for it to ever be as good as the iPhone finger print scanner would they have to make some hardware upgrades or would it just be work with the software?
It's awful. Hardly ever gets mine right and I've scanned multiple fingers multiple times.
TheMathMan said:
It's awful. Hardly ever gets mine right and I've scanned multiple fingers multiple times.
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The trick is to scan just one finger multiple times. For example, you need to scan your thumb 3 ways - swiping down with the phone laying on a table, swiping down the way you would normally swipe with one hand and swiping down at an angle. This way the scanner will work much better, because it will have registered your finger in all possible situations you might swipe
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Yeah I know that and have done. It's just a crap fingerprint sensor. OP is comparing to the iPhone. TouchID works flawlessly.
I second the previous posters comment on Touch ID, it is unbelievably impressive. It's worth the extra configuration time when you choose finger print scanning. My worry is that this may be patented to Apple? If so, is there an alternative for Android?
TouchID is easier to use and more accurate.. Its like put your hand in your pocket and your thump on the button and it just works.. While on S5, you have to swipe and sometimes it doesn't work, won't use it for my lock screen, still would use it for private mode