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What does the windows 7 update mean for us?

I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol

hammers4life said:
I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol
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I don't know about unbeatable but WM7 has gone through several delays as I'm sure Microsoft is aware that they are standing on there last leg to keep there (9%) of there mobile market shares, so......
...if Microsoft is smart, and it looks like they seem to be (delays signify that WM7 is not quite ready and thus, not rushing it), it should be a much improved Operating System as it has to compete against Symbian and Apple's and blackberry.
Market Shares:
Symbian....50.3%
Blackberry..20.9%
Iphone........13.7%
Windows.......9.0%
Andriod.......2.8%
WM 6.5 was was not even supposed to have existed but due to the delays, 6.5 was nothing more than a stand in, holding it's place for what some have anticipated to be revolutionary OS. Not sure if they will push through with that term when it actually comes out of the gates. Time will tell...

There isn't too much wrong with this one. Windows Mobile 6.5 is by far the most powerful mobile OS and it's getting bashed just because it lacks a nice and simple user interface.
Windows Mobile 7 will bring a new, hopefully exciting, user interface, probably based on Silverlight, new APIs for developers to create great applications that look and work much better than what we have now and better integration with Microsoft's services (Zune, XBox, Windows Live, Bing...).
On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.

freyberry said:
On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.
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And I think it should. The past should be scrapped to create a new future. Like OS9 to OSX and PalmOS to WebOS. Bring emulation if really needed.

Don't forget the new core of the CE which will fully support the new fast processors. That means we get an even faster phone.

windows 7 base on ce 6.0 core so ther wont be any backward compatibility.
Probably new core will be much stable and faster (support for FPU) and some othre stuff.

will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2? some sites are saying yes and others are saying no. it is my understanding that wm 6.5 and wm7 will co-exist, with wm7 aimed at high end devices (i assume because of the higher system requirements). would be good if HTC gave the hd2 wm7, as it would really open up the device in terms of performance and features.

matthewharmon102 said:
will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2?
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Nobody knows yet.
My guess is that there will not be an official HTC release of it, for the same reason as there hasn't been any official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD - WM7 is due to launch at about the same time as the successor to the HD2 (Q4 this year), and allowing HD2 users to upgrade easily to WM7 would cannibalise sales of the HD3 (or whatever it's called); HTC would obviously prefer people who want to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new HTC phone to do it.
I've no doubt that attempts will be made by the ROM "chefs" on this site to produce "cooked" ROMs for the HD2 based on WM7. However, this may be a much tricker proposition than, say, producing a WM6.5 ROM for a Touch HD, as WM7 is based on an entirely different Operating System kernel and uses a new driver model. That means that unless there is some reference device which uses exactly the same hardware as the HD2 and runs WM7 and whose drivers the ROM chefs can pirate, it's not going to work.

[Q] Porting other OSs to the Galaxy Tab

I wondered if any techies thought it would be likely that Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.5, Samsung Bada, Nokia MeeGo or other mobile OS's would be ported to the Tab. I think Ubuntu Netbook Edition is certainly likely.
Oh, asking "why would you want to replace Android?!" is a different topic.
Thanks

I'm grown to like Android so much as to do things the other way around (try to fit android to any number of other devices), but I think the two most interesting (and perhaps obvious) choices would be MeeGo and ChromeOS.

Yeah, I would definitely be interested in ChromeOS or a netbook linux distro rather than another mobile OS. I bet that there will be plenty of people trying to get linux on it, because people always wanna run linux on everything
What would be PERFECT to my mind, would be being able to dual boot.
Android for when its a phone, and a micro-desktop OS for when I wanna work on it. Stick it on the keyboard dock and add a bluetooth mouse and that'd be sexy. Hell, as long as you saved any documents to SD card you'd still be able to pull them up in droid.
Now all we need is some seriously smart people to make it happen

I don't know why Bada is on that list as it is not really a smartphone os(it more akin to a higher end/smarter feature phone os), and I doubt it would translate well to the Galaxy Tab.
I kind of want to see it running the latest version of Windows CE or Embedded in a dual boot setup with Android. Or some version of Ubuntu(maybe in a newer Mint variant).

Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.

sentiere said:
Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
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Is that just personal preference, or is there a specific feature you think would work well on the Tab ?

Windows 7 on Galaxy Tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4UOK-pyRg

But this is only a remote desktop.you can do it now with remote RDP or LotMeIn Ignition
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.

mirrinigma said:
I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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It's seriously unlikely that we'll see a windows desktop OS on the tab. Its the problem with closed-source code. It'd take very significant patching to get it to run on the Tab, and then you couldn't legally distribute the full OS. You could make a patcher/installer, but it would require anyone who wanted to use it to use full version of windows as an installer.
In all honesty, I wouldn't get your hopes up over installing any (significant) programs that don't come with a desktop OS anyway. Sure, theres no problems with bundled stuff, so you can expect office, email, browser, IM, minesweeper etc. But running anything more complex will start to bring up problems, first due to the lack of available resources (1ghz and 512 of ram is rather anemic) and secondly because its tricky to get things to run on unfamiliar architectures.
In theory, you have the chance to do some really cool stuff (some retro command and conquer on the tab... Or Baldurs Gate) but I wouldn't hold out hope.
But you never know.
Those Linux guys are CRAZY smart. A little win95/DOS emulation later, and maybe you could do whatever you want. *shrug*.
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Wasn't there someone who installed win95 on a nexus one ? You had to install it via dosbox and even then you could only get to it via remote desktop, but it did run. So maybe I'm being too negative. However, don't expect it to be an easy ride lol. Then again, it all depends on how many of these Samsung actually sell.
If they do (somehow) manage to get up to 10mil of these in circulation then there will be a massive dev community to try and make cool stuff for them.

Yeah, that's why I called it a pipe dream - unfortunately most of the visual novels I'd love to play are windows 98+ even if 95 got up. Everything else I'd want to do could be covered by WinMo (coreplayer is love) and Android (Galaxy native divx decoding <3)
IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S series has sold 5 million worldwide last time we heard - since it's essentially the same thing sans resolution I would expect some serious development stuff going on within a few months... I hope.
If I must, I will shell out for remote desktop software, but I'd really rather not if there's other options. Music on top of other stuff doesn't stream well enough through 3G
Windows Mobile 6.5.X is what I voted though.

Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook remix looks good for touch screen.

[Q] Windows 8 beta Port

has anyone tried porting windows mobile in our deviced

why is the topic windows 8 port ? and you ask for windows mobile ? and why do you want to have THAT ported to an Android device ?

DRDRoald said:
has anyone tried porting windows mobile in our deviced
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WM sucks, nobody wants it

Supposedly, I don't expect Windows Mobile 8.
The Windows 8 will carry x86, x64 and ARM support. The Windows 8 dev build released is for x86 and x64 only. Windows is proprietary and closed source. No one is likely to start working on a port unless it's Microsoft themself.
And, most people try to get Android on their Windows Mobile phones. There's no demand for Windows on Android phones.
The case might be totally different for tablets though.

nibras_reeza said:
Supposedly, I don't expect Windows Mobile 8.
The Windows 8 will carry x86, x64 and ARM support. The Windows 8 dev build released is for x86 and x64 only. Windows is proprietary and closed source. No one is likely to start working on a port unless it's Microsoft themself.
And, most people try to get Android on their Windows Mobile phones. There's no demand for Windows on Android phones.
The case might be totally different for tablets though.
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I have the windows 8 32bit beta on one of my old laptops apart from running a few programs linux or android cant its beyond useless!!!!!
Linux was multiuser from the start and because of microsofts monopoly cross platform from the start also open source
Android linux based with a cute face thrown on
Microsoft single user interface a DOS operating enviroment remember 3.0?? it didnt even start as an o/s then over the years tried to morph into 2 things it wasnt multi user and cross platform
Windows 8 is windows seven with a start menu that looks like a flash back to a 1980's resturant menu and blocky as hell
Personally i think they should stick to what there good at desktops and nothing else and even then linux and apple are gonna kill em off sooner or later
Think about it seriously 3 yes 3 big fat flops 3 crap releases 3 failures IN A ROW!!!!! now if apple or linux had done that microsoft would have criticised the **** out of the devs for not having foresight etc etc when will people give them crap they have more money then my whole country and they push out this FML
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well android to wm7 not likely but wm7 to android hell yeah!!! talk about htc hd2

SDK 8.0 sucks

WTF? if you want to side load apps you have to download SDK 8.0 which isn't a problem, the problem is that you have to have Windows 8 64-bit version... WTF? what if I don't want to upgrade to that crappy OS? There are so many developers and WP8 fans that would rather not user Windows 8. Way to go MS...someone over at MS needs to get fired.

Why not upgrade to W8? You can always dual boot W7 at no charge, so you will have the best of both worlds. Yeah?
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Upgrade to W8 is 30€ at the moment and running W8 on desktop mode is basically the same os as 7, only faster on boot etc... Why wouldnt you upgrade?
I was able to get the upgrade for 15€, but I think MS made it more difficult to get the discount now.

people just hate w8 because they are either not able to understand how the metro start menue replacement works or they just heard its crap.

Guys, guys... don't get me wrong; I do undestand Windows 8, I used it for quite a good while as my primary os on my desktop and my laptop but since neither is a touch device, the experience basically sucks. I will however consider the dual boot thing or virtual machine but still MS should not leave out those that continue to use Windows 7.

sinister1 said:
Guys, guys... don't get me wrong; I do undestand Windows 8, I used it for quite a good while as my primary os on my desktop and my laptop but since neither is a touch device, the experience basically sucks. I will however consider the dual boot thing or virtual machine but still MS should not leave out those that continue to use Windows 7.
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why cant you use it with mouse and keyboard? are the icons to big? using it for 8 month now and somehow cant complain but it might be just me and maybe because i have dualscreen and dont use metro apps that much

sinister1 said:
Guys, guys... don't get me wrong; I do undestand Windows 8, I used it for quite a good while as my primary os on my desktop and my laptop but since neither is a touch device, the experience basically sucks. I will however consider the dual boot thing or virtual machine but still MS should not leave out those that continue to use Windows 7.
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There is no need for touch in Windows 8. Just use your keyboard and mouse.
I find the new interface so much better for mouse than it was before.

mcosmin222 said:
There is no need for touch in Windows 8. Just use your keyboard and mouse.
I find the new interface so much better for mouse than it was before.
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i dont care about the layout.. the applications i am using are all the same since xp so i just be happy about the better performance and new features

The fact is tha Win 8 was developed for tablet devices and lather they realized they could force it into a desktop enviroment.
No big deal here.
The real problem is the new Start Menu. If M$ was to remove that from Win8 for dektop and make a distinction between the 2 os's (Win8 RT vs Win8 for Desktop) there would be a faster adoption and ppl would have been satisfied (Especcially Enterprises).
But looking at Microsoft, the situation is so grim...they're 3 years late on mobile, search and social, and so they attempted to this resolution: one OS for all ecosystem. Nice move? Who knows...
I personally use Win8 for wp8 development and the new polished windows and speed of the OS is magic...
BUT ( it's a big but )
Metro is still there. ****. I don't fking need Apps, those are for f'king tablet/toys.
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And that's only a part of the problem. Why push WIN 8 PRO + 64 BIT + SLAT (i3/i5/i7) for WinPhone Development??? After waiting for months, devs would have been pissed, and they are indeed. So...Here we are..

Well I pulled out one of my old crappy computers and I am loading that crappy OS on it now, lets see how it turns out. :silly:

There's a technical reason why the WP8.0 SDK requires Windows 8. The new Emulator is using Hyper-V as a basis which is not available in Windows 7. The old Emulator still used code from VirtualPC which has been discontinued for several years. Implementing a completely new Emulator and drivers might not have been viable based on discontinued technology. Using Hyper-V they already had all the needed driver support in the new NT Kernel used by WP8.
So while I agree that it would have been preferable to be able to develop on Windows Vista / Windows 7 (XP was never supported for WP SDK) there are good reasons for requiring Windows 8. The SDK itself is great, perhaps that could have been made clearer in the thread title but the need for W8 is problematic to say the least.

StevieBallz said:
There's a technical reason why the WP8.0 SDK requires Windows 8. The new Emulator is using Hyper-V as a basis which is not available in Windows 7. The old Emulator still used code from VirtualPC which has been discontinued for several years. Implementing a completely new Emulator and drivers might not have been viable based on discontinued technology. Using Hyper-V they already had all the needed driver support in the new NT Kernel used by WP8.
So while I agree that it would have been preferable to be able to develop on Windows Vista / Windows 7 (XP was never supported for WP SDK) there are good reasons for requiring Windows 8. The SDK itself is great, perhaps that could have been made clearer in the thread title but the need for W8 is problematic to say the least.
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Exactly, the Hyper V is a much better way to do an emulator than the previous one. I installed the wp8 SDK on my office laptop so that I can get hyper V manager installed. I still have a VHD of my old windows 7 OS, which I plan to run in hyper v
I am looking forward to wp8 programming with the new async methodology, should life easier with those in place.

I loaded Win8 on one of my old computers but it didn't go as planed and there is no way I'm buying Win8 for $40 (It's not worth $1). Oh well.

well then you are just not going to develop in sdk 8.
but put the win8 flame somewhere else.

-adrian- said:
well then you are just not going to develop in sdk 8.
but put the win8 flame somewhere else.
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Do you think Microsoft is going to top the big 2 market with this kind of attitude?
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Windows 8 is a better optimized Windows 7 with a touch UI added to it for touchscreens, which you don't have to use if you don't have one. That's all there is to it. I think its better than 7 in every way...

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Do you think Microsoft is going to top the big 2 market with this kind of attitude?
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To be honest.. yes think this. its not like apple would be much of a difference.
but hey .. people who think they cant use windows 8 because they dont have a touchscreen simply are old and dont want to adapt to new GUIs.
Wonder what they are doing with there windows phones

I dont get the fact that people complain about not needing apps on desktop computer, and that metro is for tablets... Yes, I dont need that either, but I dont use the metro side to nothing else except launching programs. Its only a start menu for me. I have XE.com and weather apps there, but I barely look at them ever. If someone uses XP I get it, but (Vista)Win7->Win8 any day for me. 8 is so much faster and the only difference is the "start menu".

StevieBallz said:
There's a technical reason why the WP8.0 SDK requires Windows 8. The new Emulator is using Hyper-V as a basis which is not available in Windows 7. The old Emulator still used code from VirtualPC which has been discontinued for several years. Implementing a completely new Emulator and drivers might not have been viable based on discontinued technology. Using Hyper-V they already had all the needed driver support in the new NT Kernel used by WP8.
So while I agree that it would have been preferable to be able to develop on Windows Vista / Windows 7 (XP was never supported for WP SDK) there are good reasons for requiring Windows 8. The SDK itself is great, perhaps that could have been made clearer in the thread title but the need for W8 is problematic to say the least.
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Huh, I figured it was just forcing people to upgrade to prevent vista 2.0.

Guys it's just my personal opinion, if you like Win8 that's a good thing. Maybe if I dish out the $$ for a touch screen tablet or computer I would be more comfortable with it but for a desktop (as far as form me) is a no go. Honestly I've tried to adapt to using in it with a mouse and keyboard but it just feels unnatural. I even installed classic shell on it but I still didn't like it, maybe you guys are right, maybe it's just me but like most of the companies I do contract work for; I'm not in a hurry to switch from Windows 7 and would rather wait for the next installment of the OS.

HELP NEEDED

Recently I came across a person who was looking for a way to roll back from windows 10 mobile to windows 8 mobile
I said I would help so that is why this is here.
I need to build a version of Windows 8.1 mobile that allows installation on a Win 10 device
XDA:DevDB Information
W10 TO W8.1, ROM for the Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL
Contributors
NUCLEARSHEEPD0G
ROM OS Version: Windows 8 Mobile
ROM Kernel: Windows Kernel 1
Based On: stock
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Status: Testing
Created 2016-05-30
Last Updated 2016-05-30

Just buy 8.1 deivce and use it . and you will see the person is mad.

U simply cannot install Win8 on a win10 device. Thats it.

sathara said:
Just buy 8.1 deivce and use it . and you will see the person is mad.
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No way, 8.1 was WAY better than 10 mobile. Yes, the underlying technology of 10 is superior in some ways, but the user experience is AWFUL.

jasongw said:
No way, 8.1 was WAY better than 10 mobile. Yes, the underlying technology of 10 is superior in some ways, but the user experience is AWFUL.
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8.1 is not better than W10..
is two possibility: bad operator software on L950XL (try change it to retail CV) or some hardware problems...

No, the problem is 100% with Windows 10 mobile. It is a piece of **** OS with the worst of Android's UI stuffed into the worst of the Windows Phone UI with virtually all the great features stripped out. It's slower, its UI is inconsistent, its autocorrect is complete and total ass, its browser constantly refreshes rather than actually working properly. Windows 10 mobile is ****. Complete and total ****. Satya Nadella should die in a fire for what he did to WP.
dxdy said:
8.1 is not better than W10..
is two possibility: bad operator software on L950XL (try change it to retail CV) or some hardware problems...
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jasongw said:
No, the problem is 100% with Windows 10 mobile. It is a piece of **** OS with the worst of Android's UI stuffed into the worst of the Windows Phone UI with virtually all the great features stripped out. It's slower, its UI is inconsistent, its autocorrect is complete and total ass, its browser constantly refreshes rather than actually working properly. Windows 10 mobile is ****. Complete and total ****. Satya Nadella should die in a fire for what he did to WP.
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Your opinion. For some you're right. But I worked with many Lumia devices and for example 2 identical device, one work perfectly, second works terribly. Nokia manufacturers makes 50% or more bad hardware and that is most problems caused for users. Second one is stupid operators settings not optimized for Lumias. For example: one Lumia 950, one SIM, traveling through few countries, phone automatically change roaming networks. In one country phone works like crap, app crashing. When pass border after network change all is fine. Simple network change fixed all problems.
I worked with new android 7.1.1 and is terrible slow compared to my 950xl in typing and many other things. Dam, is slower than 735 with W10M CU!