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Just let you know my comparison of the two units after 5 days with the Xda Cosmo after having the Trion for the last 4 months. My Girlfriend brought me the Excalibur as a pre Christmas gift 8)
After 4 months my Trion main speaker stopped working and I have currently sent it back to get it replaced. All in all I was quite happy with the Trion except for a few quirks.
1. Media Player was buggy with the storage card
2. Never got WM5orage working properly (either had to stopo all my programs running on the storage card which included removing items from the Today screen).
3. Screen alignment problem.
I got the Hermes originally as it looked like a device which I didn't have to use the stylus much to access most of the functionality and in 90% of cases I got by with just using the jog wheel and a couple of presses with my thumb (I had the very first xda device and was turned off by the need to use the stylus to do simple things such as dialing and looking up contacts )
I had noticed due to the operating system PPC vs smartphone the PPC needed much more processing power and hence battery life was preety much limited due to the power from the CPU 400mhz vs 200mhz ( maybe of the extra functionality needed for the touchscreen ).
Differences in the devices
1. Xda Excalibur is more responsive even with the slower CPU. Contacts work instantly on typing on the keyboard. On the hermes there is always a delay in searching for contacts.
2. Excalibur supports multiple languages in its rom and therefore there no need to reflash the rom with the rom with your appropriate language.
3. A2DP works flawlessly on Excalibur being aku 3.2. No need to install cab files to get it working and no sound quality issues and no need to get somone to write a bt stack driver to get around the microsoft one.
4. Programs in general for smartphone seem to be running better than on Pocket PC. Tomtom 6 Navigator doesn't run on the Cosmo but Tomtom 5 work just fine and performance actually seems better on the smartphone even with the lower CPU. Same is notice with other PPC vs Smartphone progams I have eg Skype and Fizz Traveller
5. Cosmo has 128 MB flash ram which is really useful as I was always trying to install everything on the SD card with the Trion to get as much memory possible for standard stuff such as emails, ringtones etc. Yes I know you can tweak the Hermes to get ringtones from the SD card but it just a hassle changing the registry settings.
6. For some reason Windows Live Beta works on the Cosmo. It stopped working on the Hermes about a month ago and never worked since. The smartphone version looks really nice as well and functions much better as I have noticed with all smartphone vs ppc programs.
7. WLAN works much better on the Cosmo compared to the Hermes eg handling of connection settings when WLAN is turned on. On the Hermes I always had to go through the process of changing my connection settings every time I switched by WLAN on an off.
8. Battery life on cosmo is much better. 3.5-4 days use compared to 1.5-2 days use on Trion. Probably because of CPU (I also changed the Hermes to GPRS only to try and save battery life due to UMTS draining the battery)
9. Not to sing all praises for the Excalibur. The only drawback I have found so far for my purposes is the Microsoft Office editing functionality is not possible on the smartphone.
10. 2MP camera vs 1.3 MP camera but I really cannot see much advantage in the quality as the 2MP wasnt that great to start with. Yes the Hermes has a led light but I doesn't really help with indoor photos. The 1.3 MP camera seems to be better quality than other 1.3 MP cameras before and for emails, web photos and MMS quality seems fine for my purposes as I wont ever print out photos from a camera handy.
11. Lack to UMTS/HSDPA on Excalibur. Loose the speed but you'll gain heaps on battery life.
12. Microsoft Media Player works with the SD card. No disappearing songs 8)
13. Price. The excalibur is less than 1/6 the price of the Trion on contract. My Girlfriend brought the Cosmo on contact for 60 Euro. I got the Trion for 320 Euro on the same contact.
14. and I think this is the killer. The excalibur have looks to die for. The Hermes is thick and although many people would say it is solidly built after using the Excalibur it makes the Hermes look like a oversized flimsy machine. The Excalibur is thin and compact with a large screen. Fits in your shirt pocket or even slide it into your jeans!!! HTC have outdone themselves with the build quality I haven't seen any phone build as solid including the razr. I fells like the device is made out of titanium or magnesium with a soft feel rubber all along the back of the device and for the keys as well, ( I cat't stop touching the device it feels sooo.. good ). My Girlfriend who is really fashion concious absolutely loves the look of the device. Photos on the net do not do it justice you have to see it in real to appreciate it's looks for me one look and it was love at first sight. (I first got a look at it from a female collegue who got the phone)
It took me a day to get used to the smaller keyboard and maybe bigger thumbs might have some problems but with rubber keys feel beautiful and make each key feel distinct during typing. The excalibur really is a one hand device even with the d pad and keys only. The touch slider is just a added bonus with flexibility.
After writing this I have noticed that this is more of a sales pitch for the excalibur than a comparison of the two devices but I have found my perfect device which does everything I need without any problems ( performance, bugs and quirks ). If you dont need the UMTS speed I must say Excalibur is the way to go. If you really need UMTS and 2MP camera then wait for the Calivier ( the UMTS /2 MP / 300Mhz version of the excalibur, rumoured to release in Spring next year ).
For me the excalibur seems to have a quite launch compared to the expectations of the Hermes maybe because on paper the Hermes looks better in terms of specifications but for usability it's excalibur all the way.
Now what to do with my Trion when it gets back?
excalibur is a smartphone right ?
Yes it is a smartphone but I think that is why it is much more responsive. Microsoft has done something right with wm5 for smartphone. Theres not much a smartphone cant do now compared to the pocket pc now. except for the microsoft office editing capabilities. I tried skype today and for some reason it was much more clearer than the pocket pc version.
it depends what you use it for..
if youre like me who has to do Office work, watch movies and play tradewinds then the touch screen is VITAL.. personally i dont have any issues with my hermes as the ones youve mentioned above..
and ofcourse there is the touch screen
I just got myself a smartphone (samsung i607) after having the wizard for a year. I was thinkign the same thing you are about smartphone functionality. i was wrong though. There is an extreme lack of third party programs for smartphone. In particular, there aren't any good web browsers whatsoever for wm5smartphone. not a single one. You also cannot customize the homescreen without downloading predefined ones online. I never found one i liked. I like to use data instant messaging programs. and there is a flaw in all of them for smartphone. They don't have homescreen plugins and there is absolutely no onscreen display that you have received a message when the program is in the forgroud. In fact, i hated the lack of flexibility on the smartphone so much that 24 hours after buying the i607, i bought the hermes. I'm still waiting for it to come, and cant wait to start doing everything i used to do with the wizard only faster.
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I just got myself a smartphone (samsung i607) after having the wizard for a year. I was thinkign the same thing you are about smartphone functionality. i was wrong though. There is an extreme lack of third party programs for smartphone. In particular, there aren't any good web browsers whatsoever for wm5smartphone. not a single one. You also cannot customize the homescreen without downloading predefined ones online. I never found one i liked. I like to use data instant messaging programs. and there is a flaw in all of them for smartphone. They don't have homescreen plugins and there is absolutely no onscreen display that you have received a message when the program is in the forgroud. In fact, i hated the lack of flexibility on the smartphone so much that 24 hours after buying the i607, i bought the hermes. I'm still waiting for it to come, and cant wait to start doing everything i used to do with the wizard only faster.
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I Have both, S620 to work and TyTn for play, and I had Wizard.
Try opera mini... better than IE and I use it also on HERMES
I've found a LOT of home screens (motorola Q has many of it) but also I like to play with XML, using just notepad and I have now my PERFECT , tre pages (scrolling), Home screen!
Office problems? try the new DATAWIZ suite, much better than office embedded in TyTN
Great as navigator and fits in my jeans pocket (the BACK pocket) and in my shirt pocket!
I 've sold the wizard believing the HERMES was the empowered Wizard. It Is the STUPID WIZARD'S BIG BROTHER believe me!
I've tried opera mini, and i dont particularly like it. I consider it to be a step down from the standard PIE with the reg edit to make PIE identify itself as a desktop computer. I guess i just miss the adaptability of my wizard. My hermes will be here soon though. I'll never make the mistake of selling my old phone before getting a new one again. If i dont like the hermes, i'll still have my blackjack. After a week, i'll decide which one to keep.
Was wondering how most people use their Shift. I like to write and it is pretty good at recognizing my crappy left handed writing. My biqgest problem is keeping my hand off the screen and the other is keeping it from overheating. I use it often on my lap. or resting on my leg and if I don't put a book under it to keep it off my clothing IT OVERHEATS.
Diane
thats right you should keep on your lap for short periods only. I just have to say that I enjoy the multitude of possibilities with this baby. I use it in a nr of ways, but actually sit it on a table and type/surf most of the time.
i love the battery life in the WinMo side... and Opera Mini is superb in full screen... i'm using Vista a lot more than i thought i would as well. I guess this is mainly as the WinMo side is still so crippled without the SD access. Fingers crossed that access to it is feasible!
I use the TAB key as F11 key for full screen when browsing (remapped it, and of course the "Caps lock" into "Left Shift").
Use Both IE and Firefox. And both use the F11 luckily. Full screen swapping is quite important with such a small real estate.
Waiting eagerly for some updates, like those problems with SD card adn Shgctrl.
But I force myself to use it more frequently. Even ordered an extra battery at Expansys. (92 euro's with shipping!)
Pitty there is no hot swapping for batteries. So now it will take me an extra six minutes I think.
Do not use yet the Winmo options you guys found out. I need more spare time for that.
Huib
Must admit I don't use it now as it has too many restrictions and limitations and I tend to just use a laptop and smartphone.
This device could have been so good but has been badly let down in implementation by HTC
Shift is good for my mobile life.
For WM:
I check my stocks by Stock Manager and watch the TV news everyday by a TV Program
I get all the daily info from http://pda.xy.hk
For Vista:
I uses powerpoint for presentation weekly.
I access the ebanking for trading by IE
herpi said:
I use the TAB key as F11 key for full screen when browsing (remapped it, and of course the "Caps lock" into "Left Shift").
Use Both IE and Firefox. And both use the F11 luckily. Full screen swapping is quite important with such a small real estate.
Waiting eagerly for some updates, like those problems with SD card adn Shgctrl.
But I force myself to use it more frequently. Even ordered an extra battery at Expansys. (92 euro's with shipping!)
Pitty there is no hot swapping for batteries. So now it will take me an extra six minutes I think.
Do not use yet the Winmo options you guys found out. I need more spare time for that.
Huib
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Why don't you try reanpping F11 to a pen flick? I use it everyday, and it's better than losing a key for it.
how do you do that?
Click on pen flick icon, on tray, or in control pannel. choose pen and input settings, then flicks and customize. Choose the direction you want to assign, then bring the on-screen keyboard to register the F11 keypress.
I am using it now for most admin type functions in work. After some practice sessions I am now using the shift in meetings. A problem with tablets/PCs for notes is that if you dont get the info first time its gone.
I tried using One Note but found it a bit flakey for on the fly stuff. I am now committed to using Journal for all meetings. It seems to work flawlessly and the handwriting recog seems pretty accurate. I concur with the overheating concerns and have found that if you havent got a book or something similar then the screen needs to be extended and laid flat and the keyboard used with your thumbs to avoid heat issues.
I am using the Office progs and One Note for carrying all my reference docs that I need and I sync those with my desktop. I am now not bothering to take my laptop to work. This is good as sometimes I go to work on my push iron. I am using the Shift for general surfing. This can sometimes seem like hard work but Im persevering. I have given up on Origami and Im not that keen on using my fingers except for the odd OK button.
With regards to the snapvue I have instsalled the full wm6 and office in an attempt to get me turned on. Its more useful now its synced with my outlook - however despite having been virtually joined at the hip with an XDA Orbit for a few years I cant really get turned on by snapvue when I have a full Vista one click away. However it is useful for contacts and diary if you dont have time to boot up.
Im going to explore the possibility of watching movies on it but first impressions arent that great. I have been listening to music but have found that it doesnt stream that great across my wifi using The Orb. I am going to try and use Media Monkey instead to see if that improves things.
All in all a great tool but you have to adjust to it.
Use for share trading
Well,
The wait for a device that can be portable enough to take anywhere is over.
I use my Shift for primarily share trading. I use a share trading package and Next-G WLAN. Yes, it is expensive, but you get what you pay for, i.e. always relaible, unbeatable reception, etc, etc.
I take it with me on lunch breaks, meeteings, out and about and do trades, and never miss a good trade!!! I have probably made the money I spent back on it already. I am contemplating keeping my Dell M1330 at home!!!
I also use it for e-mail (secondary), that is, I set email to check mail but leave copy on server. My main laptop will be final home for the emails.
I also use it to make VoIP calls, I use Express Talk, costs about USD$20, but it is the best VoIP around (in my opinion of course). My service provider is Engin (also expensive, but 100% quality, of course my opinion again). 10c calls to anywhere in Aussie, 20c/min mobile is great. Works well with BT headset!
I also use it to connect to a couple of servers at home using TServ. It works great, both in Vista and WM6 (thanks to the Liberate!!!)
WM6 is disappointing, but it serves its purpose, i.e. it keeps the 3G connection always active no matter what the state of the HTC shift. I think the way the SHIFT works is that a NDIS connection is made b/ween the Vista and the WM6 device (same as if you used your 3G PDA connected to laptop for internet access). It is also a gap-filler (haha) when you are waiting for Vista to load up!!!
WM6 polling (pull) mail is great. Havent given much thought or care to the push mail, who cares? Unless you need real-time mail, set poll to 5 mins. Most 3G packages are in the 3-5GB range now, so dont stress about bandwidth usage.
The device does get warm, but once again, who cares. Be sure to keep the rear vent and the side vents clear enough, i.e. the device sucks air from the side vents. Hand-hold the device is fantastic, esp the mini-mouse pad, takes some getting used to. I find myself using my finger most of the time.
I have been a veteran hand-held device, as early as the good-old Casio organisers, Sharp Zairo, and owned ever XDA ever made. I have also owned a couple of "try-hard" UMPCs. And I have to say, this is the grand-daddy. Remember, technology is all about trade-offs. And HTC have traded of things for useable features.
The complaint about the heat, etc, where do you expect the heat to go? It must dissipate somewhere. Until they make 0.1mV 0.1nm processors we will have to live with this heat.
Oh, and not been too cheecky, this is not a laptop, i.e. dont put on your lap This is design to hand-hold and/or put on a desk.
Another mobilility point, the device has a G-Sensor that is supposed to detect drops. I carry this around with me while its on, and I have had two occassions where the G has supposedly detected a "drop". Havent given much thought as to whether the device has a "G-setting", and dont really care, I guess I just need to put it to sleep each time.
At home, I connect a 24" 1920x1200 monitor to this little badboy, run BT mouse, keyboard and Ethernet and the [poor] thing still works very well. Therefore, if you dont look down you will almost feel like you are using an actual desktop!!! I like to keep the rear slightly elevated to assist in cooling (the fan works at slightly lower RPM)
Happy to answer any questions you may have about this device, or if you want some comfort to buy one
I mainly use it (and any computer) for writing documents, web and mail. I do use it on my lap! I find that the leather case is rigid enough to provide a flat surface that keeps the vents clear. I'm using Opera and OpenOffice on the Vista side, which work very well. In WM, I use IE for browsing and for writing, I tend to just use unformatted text in an e-mail and mail it to myself.
Basically, if you are OK with the small screen and keyboard, it's the perfect travel machine. I was a Toshiba Libretto user in the late 1990s, but always felt I needed a Psion 5 or Revo for the ability to switch on and start typing.
In thes days of PDA/phone convergence, I am amazed that HP and others who used to make touch-typable folding devices have given up on that form-factor. Every journalist I know would buy one. One guy I know still uses his Psion 5, despite having to sync.
I have Mobile Office but have not really used it yet apart from viewing attachments (for which I also use XPDF). If another couple of months go by without needing it for composition, then I'll uninstall it and find some lightweight DOC/XLS/PPT viewers.
I have also been using Google Maps for WM, which tries and often succeeds to sniff out the cell location in the absence of GPS. It gets the maps pretty quickly with 3G, and adequately with GPRS, so you don't have to store them locally.
That's about it.
Thanks to everyone working on the project.
Matthew Karas
HTC sucks big time
I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money
greatestkelvin said:
This is a pure waste of money
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so bad reaction ... reading your post is a total waste of time
arvinf said:
At home, I connect a 24" 1920x1200 monitor to this little badboy, run BT mouse, keyboard and Ethernet and the [poor] thing still works very well.
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1920 x 1200... really ??? so nice !!!
are you still using vista? what do you think about it ?
can you tell me the time it takes for a COLD boot and for coming back from Hibernate ?
I really would like to buy it.. to replace desktop, laptop and.. maybe PDA/Phone.
My HTC stand at home.
Will not OS of him.
greatestkelvin - I will save your frustrations by buying your machine from you!...plenty of folk waiting for them here. Oh, wait, that is if you actually have one? If you do it sounds like you didn't do your homework first....
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1920 x 1200... really ??? so nice !!!
are you still using vista? what do you think about it ?
can you tell me the time it takes for a COLD boot and for coming back from Hibernate ?
I really would like to buy it.. to replace desktop, laptop and.. maybe PDA/Phone.
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to boot up vista to password screen it takes 1 min for me (I don't have SP1 btw)
after logging in you have to wait a few more seconds because of shagctrl etc starting up - and you *need* shagctrl (= shift control center).
to come back from hibernation, about 12 secs to reach "resuming windows" and the whole process is about half a min
and to resume from sleep, 4 secs now, but maybe if it is left in sleep for longer then it's a bit longer to come back, but still fast
Most time i use the WM/SnapVue side with softmaker Office 06 (without grammer dictionary to save memory). I can write over 10 hours on an longer text or work with Real-Exel without any noises- and headproblems. With WM the Shift ist really "ultramobile". Other programs i use are freeware like Tombo (TreeList Texteditor) - ResInfo (Systeminformation) - WKtask (Quick Launcher, Taskmanager, and more), Hotkeys (remap keyboard), Cleartemp and Total Comander. It´s a shame, that the WM Side is limited only 13MB free memory left to save and share files. For office documents okay, but other nice WM things like mobipockes e-books an disaster.
But i like the Shift and look hopefully in the Shiftproject Thread
Just started spending time on the WM6 time
I'm just starting to use WM6 on my shift. It's my first device using this OS, and I am amazed at how good Mobile Google Maps is. It's the perfect application for the WM side as it makes good use of the high bandwidth connectivity, whilst not using up much memory.
I'm on the lookout for any other cool WM apps that suit the resources of the Shift in this way. I'd be most grateful if those of you with superior knowlege in this are could share their recommendations for cool/useful apps for WM6 on the Shift.
I bought my Shift because I like the outdoors, and I like computers. I like having the knowledge of the world at hand where ever I am.
I've been looking at this phone alot latey as am thinking of upgrading from my beloved Kaiser. Is it worth the upgrade in general. Interested to here your views?
I consider it too.
I would not call it upgrade but CHANGE from "practical" to "eye candy".
However it's not that obvious as it seems:
* no buttons compared to Kaiser - I am so much used to quick shortcuts (internet, messaging, OK button, jog dial, camera, voice speed dial remapped to brightness toggle)
* GPS bug scares me - Kaiser has very good gps (even for walking around), Touch HD may be affected by the same terrible bug as touch pro - without good GPS device is useless for me
* lack of HW keyboard - I can probably live without but sure to miss accuracy of physical buttons
* TouchFlo sucks from practical point of view - I prefer Spb Mobile Shell (I am heavy device user, TouchFlo is nice but not very useful), I would install it on my new HD
* fingerprints - with Kaiser - almost non-existent, with touch HD - fingerprint magnet
* battery life - it's impossible Touch HD lasts longer with the same usage pattern (1350 mAh both devices)
What I do like is:
* device is beatiful (because of no buttons - Kaiser is more like vintage thick-brick "Pocket PC" compared to beatiful Touch HD
* 5 MP camera -- Kaiser camera quality SUCKS, Touch HD should be much better
* SCREEN SCREEN (I still own HP Hx4700 4" VGA - it's so cool display, I miss it)
* performance (no more 2D drivers issue)
I am getting one as soon as it is available.
I would recommend you to READ here first:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437730
I´m going for it!
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I consider it too.
I would not call it upgrade but CHANGE from "practical" to "eye candy".
However it's not that obvious as it seems:
* no buttons compared to Kaiser - I am so much used to quick shortcuts (internet, messaging, OK button, jog dial, camera, voice speed dial remapped to brightness toggle)
* GPS bug scares me - Kaiser has very good gps (even for walking around), Touch HD may be affected by the same terrible bug as touch pro - without good GPS device is useless for me
* lack of HW keyboard - I can probably live without but sure to miss accuracy of physical buttons
* TouchFlo sucks from practical point of view - I prefer Spb Mobile Shell (I am heavy device user, TouchFlo is nice but not very useful), I would install it on my new HD
* fingerprints - with Kaiser - almost non-existent, with touch HD - fingerprint magnet
* battery life - it's impossible Touch HD lasts longer with the same usage pattern (1350 mAh both devices)
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Obviously can't get a HD???
I have a kaiser and love it to bits. But to be honest
1) No buttons is a god send, it was the only fault with the kaiser the build quality around the buttons was suspect
2) GPS lag? The HDs not even released yet where did this info come from?
3) Keyboard. Thought this could be an issue also, but realised that i don't ever use my kaiser keyboard anyway and the new software versions are just as good.
4) TF3D. SPB mobile shell sucks! I used the programm for months and it basically made my device slow and how was it you put it 'a finger print magnet!) Touch flo 3d is without a doubt the best phone UI bar the iphones.
5) Fingerprints. Again with SPB ms my kaiser looked like a slug had spent the night on my screen, how do you know that the HD is a finger print magnet, and if it is wipe then of this can't be seen as a bad thing, this is the future!
6) Battery. Battery life on the HD is meant to be very good due to tweaks on the chipset + more advanced software.
To summerise the HD is a year more advanced than the Kaiser so you will be getting a smarter phone. The main thing it lacks compared to the Kaiser is a keyboard, as is well documented there are work arounds for that.
I will be getting the HD.
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Obviously can't get a HD???
I will be getting the HD.
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You have already decided then.
I was very fascinated with a new device but GPS lag issue (suspected as it is the same chipset as faulty Touch PRo) needs to be resolved or denied before I buy it.
90% I'm buing it when sure GPS won't be an issue.
TouchFlo vs. SpbMobileShell is not so important, because lovers of TF3D will use it, haters (like me) will use alternatives - no one gets hurt
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro
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Probably will be the same, as they use the same Qualcomm chip with integrated GPS.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro
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Yes sure i will be gettig 1 ASAP!!
I agree that if there is a gps lag problem that would be an issue. However the is no indication that that will be the case other than the chipset, and whether these are purely hardware, or part software, the latter of which can be rectified.
Time will tell but i shouldn't think HTC would let another device out without looking into the GPS issue first?
I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.
I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.
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I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.
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Good call, it has been a strange device in the way there has been very few thorough pre release reviews. Once mine has arrived i will be sure to inform you on the GPS and anything else you want to know.
Here's hoping!!!!
Oh my ...
This is the deal breaker for me.
Without a good GPS, it is hard to replace my Kaiser!
Although, I dont really like TomTom 7 running on my Kaiser. It is so slow when calculating route!
gogol said:
Oh my ...
This is the deal breaker for me.
Without a good GPS, it is hard to replace my Kaiser!
Although, I dont really like TomTom 7 running on my Kaiser. It is so slow when calculating route!
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Do all the HTC with GPS have this slow calculating process?
I personally use Destinator, but have been using it with O2, Mio and Eten's without any problems. Very quick connection mind you, they use SIRF III GPS chips. I am thinking of changing over to HTC because of the large screen.
I guess I will be watching the reviews about the GPS speeds.
Does anyone know if Destinator software have problems with HTC devices. Shouldn't, but I feel it is good to ask all you HTC users.
Cheers.
I think that slow calculating is TomTom 7 specific issue, at least with my Kaiser.
I dont have that problem with TomTom 6 before.
Probably, TomTom 7 is much more complicated ...
I would use TomTom 6 because its not much different.
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Do all the HTC with GPS have this slow calculating process?
I personally use Destinator, but have been using it with O2, Mio and Eten's without any problems. Very quick connection mind you, they use SIRF III GPS chips. I am thinking of changing over to HTC because of the large screen.
I guess I will be watching the reviews about the GPS speeds.
Does anyone know if Destinator software have problems with HTC devices. Shouldn't, but I feel it is good to ask all you HTC users.
Cheers.
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Your question is too general.
Kaiser doesn't have problems with GPS - Diamon and Touch Pro are reported to have annoying lag which renders them unusable for driving.
Touch HD uses the same chipset yet many potential buyers hope it's going to be OK this time
Well I've dived in and ordered one. Now the waiting on delevery.
Hi all,
I have a Nokia E90 and I am considering getting a Touch HD.
I really like my E90 screen, its fantastic for viewing ebooks and the internet but I am finding the email client quite awful and I fancy a change.
Things i like about the E90 - Screen, keyboard, camera (it meets my needs), internal screen is always protected, battery life,
Things i hate about the E90 - Awful email client, no spell checker, default browers is extremely slow (resolved by Opera Mini but no flashlite support).
So how much of an improvement will the Touch HD be from my E90? I have read about GPS lag issues and no support for flashlite with the default browser. The Camera is 5pm, but how will that compare to my E90 considering that the HD doesnt have a flash.
My current contract is up at the end of March so i have some time to decide.
Hey!
I had an e90 a while back when they were just out and i did love the keyboard!
I have a touch HD now and it just feels a better phone, the only problme i can see you having is giving up the keyboard. the HD's does have a decent keyboard and you can get quick quick with it with, but for really long emails 1000+ words it may be annoying, you could aloways buy a b/t keyboard if this will be an issue
The screen is very good for reading pdf's and does scale them quite well, the camera is ok, nothing spectacular, however there may be improvemnts with a new progrma so if camera isnt an issue you wont be wowed but you wont be dissapointed,
As for Flash, some roms have it installed already so that you can watch youtube vids direclty in opera and there is also flashlite avaliable to satisfy your needs
Thanks
can you view embedded videos from the BBC website with these roms?
ive just tried and it says that i dont have teh correct plugins, this may be an easy thing to solve though
Iplayer does work but you need to change a few things so thats always a plus
silly question time.....how do you lock the screen when your in touch flo? I have seen older windows mobile devices before the invention of touch flo and i could have the screen lock option on the today screen.
What about the LED notification, i believe its a very small light by the power screen, is that sufficent enough? Does the device wake up from standby when you receive a new email/sms?
Can outlook mobile read HTML emails?
Finally, what is the alarm function like? On my E90, i can set the alarm and power down the device. The phone then turns on automatically to sound the alarm.
you can pretty much lock the screen by pressing the power button on the top, then the devices doesnt do anyting till you tap the power button again,
there are popular programs like slide2unlock which gives this process a bit smoother iphoneesque look.
the LED is small but it doenst particulary bother me since i hear or feel it when a new message arrives anyway, i beleive tehre is a fix so that the device wakes up on email/message
Not sure if outlook mobile read HTML emails but i would assume so being a microsoft phone!
Yeah the alarm is teh same as the e90, you can even make it sound the alrm tone if the device is in silent mode, again there are 3rd partsy apps on here avaliabel for free which allow more customisation
excellent. Now my options are to stick with T-mobile and get the Touch Pro or move over to O2 and get the Touch HD.
Touch HD looks like the better of the two devices especially as i am going from the large E90 screen.
How does the pictures from the HD look? Im alittle worried as there is no flash.
in daylght there very nice,
sometimes in the dark the focus doenst work great, but is still ok
Its prob on par with the e90 if my memory serves me correct
sounds like the HD has all the ticks in the right place for me.
Oh, another question. The Touch HD supports HSDPA at 7.3 odd, im sure this is faster then the E90.
Is the internet on the Touch HD considerably faster then the E90?
yeah it supports HSPDA up to 7.2 mbit, so you get roughly 850k a sec actual download speeds, browisng is pretty nippy on the device, much faster than the e90 which used to take an age to start,
Opera mini is best for mobile surfing as i has quite a nice interface,
It depends weather 02 actually offer and allow you to use 7.2mbps though!
so opera mini on the HD is better then the supplied opera brower? I have mini on my E90 and it doesnt support flashlite.
Thats a good point, i will need to double check with O2 about the speeds!
I dont' know about the camera of the E90, but my wife has got an N95 and it takes WAAAY better pictures than the HD...
I've also owned the E90 before switching to the HD. The only thing I missed was:
- camera on E90 is better (better shuttertime settings)
One of the things that I didn't consider was battery life. I use push Exchange email, and my E90 (and E71) lasted me about 1.5 days. With the Touch HD I get around 18-20 hours (not even 1 day!). If I use browsing or calling a little more than what I normally do, the battery lasts me about 15 hours. Hence, please look at your usage pattern as well.
This is the only negative on an otherwise very good phone based on my utilization pattern. The other nice-to-have would be that the power button is currently too small and too flush with the phone. Either it could have been larger, or it could have been placed to come out of the phone like a button.
Those are very low numbers, my E90 lasted as one of the longest of all phones I've used, sometimes over 4 days.
For the HD, the battery life is far less. However, i've installed SPB PhoneSuite, which enables you to switch of connections at night and saving a lot of battery life.
I had an e90 before the hd and have to say atm its the better device,particularly out of the box.
take away the obvious selling point of the hd screen its a lot less work to enjoy the nokia.
im really enjoying the hd but the e90 was the superior device for me. battery, camera,operation and speed were all way ahead for a business phone. in fact the only drawbacks for me were the weight, no 'cool' touchscreen, and as you say, certain email restrictions.
if you're willing to put the time in I doubt you'll regret the hd but it could depend how well you can adjust without a great physical keyboard and currently a poor camera.
Guys i have some more questions regarding the Touch HD.
I really like my current alarm system on the Nokia E90. I set my alarm and then turn the phone off, the E90 then turns on by itself and sounds the alarm (which is pretty dam loud and vibration is VERY strong).
Question: What is the alarm like on the Touch HD? Will i be able to turn the device off and have it turn on by itself to sound the alarm?
Another question i have is in relation to the calendar nofication on touch flo. How many advanced calendar notifications are displayed on the first tab of touch flo? Can this be changed or altered? Also are tasks displayed?
Third and final question, my brother let me take a look at his HTC Kaiser and the camera application was just awful. It was extremely slow to refresh and it was jerking all over the place. Is this the case with the Touch HD?
Thanks,
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The camera on the touch HD is really lame. There's no hardware button, so when you push the button on screen there's up to a 3 - 5 second delay before the picture's actually taken!! By that time the subject of the picture has far gone lol.
I've got a Touch HD and i'm thinking of going to the E90. I know the nokia is 2 years old now and it does bother me to "downgrade" but i really like the look of the e90!
Are you in the UK? Maybe we could organise a week swap or somethin?
I would go for the E 71 if I were you ,it has a good keyboard,excellent battery and is much easier to use and smaller than the E 90.I have one as a replacement for an HTC Diamond ,the battery lasts 3 times more and the hard keys do everything ....maybe in a not so cool way but they are far more practical.
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The camera on the touch HD is really lame. There's no hardware button, so when you push the button on screen there's up to a 3 - 5 second delay before the picture's actually taken!! By that time the subject of the picture has far gone lol.
I've got a Touch HD and i'm thinking of going to the E90. I know the nokia is 2 years old now and it does bother me to "downgrade" but i really like the look of the e90!
Are you in the UK? Maybe we could organise a week swap or somethin?
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Wait for the N97! Very E90 like but much improved and new features.
I also own a E90 and Touch HD. Touch HD felt first pretty sluggish and not so business oriented. But now with cooked rom and manilla disabled (I use Spb Mobile Shell, imho much better for business use), its a much better device than before.
I hate the text input, i think its propably 3x slower and 5x more fustrating to write emails with it. Also camera sucks and its pretty much useless inside buildings, compared to E90.
Im eagarly waiting for the N97, will propably swap my E90 to that one.
Wow! It is fast....
I know others have said this but I must reinforce that. I have been running WM6.5 on my (old!) HD for a while and with the new manilla 2.5 (sense) UI it is clearly struggling a bit. I am sure that Dutty and co will improve on that but the HD2 is clearly much more able to handle this impressive UI.
Just got mine from T-Mobile UK so here is my initial feedback to those still drooling over the videos and pictures:
Appearance - Looks great, actually feels slimer than the HD - I know it is but you will see what I mean when you handle one. The curved back (like i-phone) makes it even slimmer at the edges than the 11mm measurement would make you think. The screen looks great - you can see the dots across the screen in certain light reflections (directly across the screen) but I have not noticed any at all in use - just with bright light at shallow angle across the screen. The screen is noticeably bigger than the HD, same brightness. The screen edges are also (as reported) closer to the edge which adds to the impact of screen real-estate on offer.
Only adverse comment on design is the sharpness of the edges to the camera lens surround - the lens edging is sharp enough to damage furniture so beware. HTC need to fix this one. It is minor on the scale of things but completely at odds with the rest of the device which oozes quality.
Branding. T-mobile have put their mark on the phone - nothing externally but the boot-up and shut down splash have T-mobile branding. There is a T-mobile (Web & Walk) spalsh screen that pops up when you start Opera (otherwise completely standard) and there is a T-Mobile IM tool that has failed to work so far.
Unboxing - my box (standard green HTC box just like the videos) had no pouch (leather case). I called T-Mobile and they will be sending one but according to their list they have no mention of either the pouch (that is what HTC call it) or the (miserly) 2Gb miro SD card. There is no (micro) CD like you see in some videos and apart from standard HTC stuff there is a T-Mobile folded sheet about something - was far too busy plying with my new toy to read the paperwork...
Software - all the usual stuff is there. Notes is in 'Outlook' and there is no Co-pilot software to test for 15 days (unless its on the micro SD card (not checked), just ordered and downloaded Co-pilot 8 because it looks great on the HD2.
Camera - the pictures are great and it takes photos immediately - it really has no lag at all on almost anything. The flash is actually quite bright.
Performance - did I say it was fast? Vista sync with PC was faultless, everything just happens immediately - this is also enhanced because apps are never actually closed. There is, as reported, no HTC 'X' task manager to close apps so they are just minimised. So when you start them up again in fact all you are doing is lttbbing back to the app that may already be open. The result is near instant response and when you select, for instnce, Google Map, it is not only already loaded but has maps present too (albeit the last maps). Opera is much faster than on the HD. IE is still very poor by comparison (BTW - Opera is called 'Web & Walk' in the start menu on this T-Mobile phone). The "My location" function just works - on GPRS, HSDPA, WiFi ann PC sync. Weather looks really neat!
Initial Software Loading and trials - just had to hard reset! I installed Monocube Safemode and could not then start-up the handset in other than safe mode!!! Not impressed - wonder if that is something to do with the capacitive screen.
Resco Explorer 2008 - great
Coreplayer - installed OK but noticed that 700Mb DivX film had audio sync problem. This film and this coreplayer version on HD seemd to have no problem.
more to come when I have re-loaded the software and re-synced - don't use Monocube Safe Mode.
I cannot rule out something else having cause the need to hard-reset but it only occured after my first power-up after installing the sotfware. I will report this to Monocude (who make it) and report back if I get anything.
Love the phone - very happy.
This is my first HTC and to be frank, I LOVE IT. Maybe because it replaced my SEX1?
Playing music is a delight, the speaker is amazing. Had to reduce the sound to 50% as it was too loud.
Picture taking, could be better, but as I'm used to SEX1, I can say its impressive.
Fast? Fast? It's lightning fast. This device changed my opinion towards WM. I was appalled, but now I'm extremely happy.
Only one annoying thing, when there is no data connection I get this pop up every time I turn on the phone, which is quite annoying.
Overall, I give it a 8/10. It could very easily be improved with ROM updates.
But why did they make sms notification so small?
I got mine yesterday. (Donated by a certain someone, you know who you are . )
Gotta say it truly is one of THE most amazing pieces of mobile tech I've seen in all my years as a technician. For the 1st time I can finally say winmo users finally have something that knocks the socks of the (in my opinion) now defunct iPhone and indeed any others available to date The speed of everything on this is just amazing, never did I think winmo could achieve this. Of course HTC did an amazing job covering over winmo you really never see it for anything.
I've been reading reviews online and in papers (ya I know, paper, im so old-fashioned sometimes lol ) and all the reviews say the HD2 still couldn't beat the iPhone etc so I was holding off buying it. But don't listen to the reviewers they're just too critical, this phone really is the biz, go get it.
Also, as this phone has no Hardware Keyboard it can be a bit tricky at first. I used to refuse to own a phone without a physical one but replacing the default HTC softKB with Fingerboard and everything is perfect Some minor tweaks and videos, battery etc are all working above and beyond any media smartphone I've used (and Ive even used the iphone for 5 weeks).
Anyways enough of my wild ravings about the phone. If anyone wants to know anything about the HD2 gimme a shout, happy to answer anyone
Just got mine today from.... Vodafone!!! Can you believe for once they've got it out with everyone else????
It's every bit as good as I'd hoped (not surprising as I'm stepping up from an early Tytn).
As tony wheeler found though, you can be too clever.... I originally had an XDA 2 with TomTom Nav 5, forced my Tytn to load it years ago and long before TomTom supported it (in fact I'm not sure they ever did). Tried to force it on the HD2 and all I got was a corrupt screen and it froze. Only needed a soft reset to get it going again, but a bottled out at that point.
I noticed that my favourite game (Bubblet) is missing (I'm a simple soul) and so far I cn't get .tsk skins to load properly, but hey - it's only day one.... plenty of time yet.
Update: sorted Bubble using hints and tips at the top of this forum, thanks TB!! Also, got my skin working by pasting it into the windows folder. It then appears in the advanced Today edit screen.
Lag in messaging
Guys,
people have been complaining about the messaging application being laggy especially for contacts which have long message trail...is this correct? Are you experiencing it?
anshkhanna said:
Guys,
people have been complaining about the messaging application being laggy especially for contacts which have long message trail...is this correct? Are you experiencing it?
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Eh, not really.
Ive already got 113 messages (+25 on my SIM) on mine and not noticed any slow down or lagg. Also have loads of emails and no slow down on the email tab either.
Mine arrives tomorrow via DHL, looking forward to it.
Moving back to WM from iPhone, been playing with iPhone for the last six months. I have always been a WM believer, but I always look and test the competition in the real world. Then I have a opinion based on first hand experience.
While the iPhone has many nice features, when it comes to business it isn't as flexible or useful as a WM device.
That's not to say WM doesn't have issues, it does. That's for another thread though.
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I will be interested to hear your honest opinion of the HD2 compared with iphone.
The IP screen and nav functions are very fluid, but I think the HD2 is equal or better.
The HTC Shell makes a huge difference.
Without it I would have bought an iphone myself, and that is saying something!
Nighthawk said:
Mine arrives tomorrow via DHL, looking forward to it.
Moving back to WM from iPhone, been playing with iPhone for the last six months. I have always been a WM believer, but I always look and test the competition in the real world. Then I have a opinion based on first hand experience.
While the iPhone has many nice features, when it comes to business it isn't as flexible or useful as a WM device.
That's not to say WM doesn't have issues, it does. That's for another thread though.
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