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is there such a thing as a software that can play background music while
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Hi
is there such a thing as a software that can play background music while
calling or receiving a phone call?
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Been discussed a ton of times already. Please use search and don't post new threads until you have searched completely.
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Been discussed a ton of times already. Please use search and don't post new threads until you have searched completely.
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How bout instead of just telling everyone to use the search you hint them on what to look for as far as the name of software that you seem to be aware of....
im curious too. is there any software like that
I also would like such a software...
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How bout instead of just telling everyone to use the search you hint them on what to look for as far as the name of software that you seem to be aware of....
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Because this is a development thread. Where people develope programs and provide assistance on them. Its not the yellow pages. No one here works for you. We are not your secrateries. New threads like this clog up the forum and make it difficult for those of us who use search. Take some time to read the forum rules.
Here is the hint. Top of this page to the right is a "Search" button. Its just below your name. Use it to search the contents of your original subject line of this thread. If you can copy/paste the http address of your search result to prove to me you did your due dilegents, but still cant find your answer, I will help you learn how to use search properly so you don't continue to post new threads. But at this point I don't think you have used more than 2 minutes of your time searching on your own.
CG
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326590
I guess do unto to others as they do unto you. This might be a development forum not thread.
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Because this is a development thread. Where people develope programs and provide assistance on them. Its not the yellow pages. No one here works for you. We are not your secrateries. New threads like this clog up the forum and make it difficult for those of us who use search. Take some time to read the forum rules.
Here is the hint. Top of this page to the right is a "Search" button. Its just below your name. Use it to search the contents of your original subject line of this thread. If you can copy/paste the http address of your search result to prove to me you did your due dilegents, but still cant find your answer, I will help you learn how to use search properly so you don't continue to post new threads. But at this point I don't think you have used more than 2 minutes of your time searching on your own.
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Wow, never before have I seen such "jerk" behavior at xda deverlopers. I know the person should have searched and I'm not discounting that fact, but there is NO reason to jump down someone's throat with that tone. Sorry, I'm a Japanese and I ever saw how much loathing and hatred went into your post. Next time, please do more courteous behavior... if not, I hate to think of how people will treat you.
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How bout instead of just telling everyone to use the search you hint them on what to look for as far as the name of software that you seem to be aware of....
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The reason people tell you to search is because this site, like any other activity has rules. One of them is to READ and SEARCH to find the answers yourself before you post a question that has been answered in numerous other locations. While some people may be overly aggressive in their suggestion that you use the search function, it does not make their point any less valid. There are a lot of people on this site, and all of them are volunteers. Nobody gets paid to be here. When you decide that you're gonna clutter the forum with threads and posts that have already been answered very thoroughly in easily searchable locations then it just makes it more difficult for people who actually do know how to use the site properly to find anything. So in the future, if you have an interesting idea (which you did) then do some looking to see if maybe somebody else had that same idea and post your thoughts there. That way everyone who is interested in that idea can go to one place to follow any development that happens there. Otherwise you are basically saying to all the people who put a lot of time in here, that you think your time is more valuable than their's. Which puts us in this perpetual cycle of people who don't know anything complaining because the people who do know the answers want them to learn how to find the answers rather than just giving them the answer.
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Wow, never before have I seen such "jerk" behavior at xda deverlopers. I know the person should have searched and I'm not discounting that fact, but there is NO reason to jump down someone's throat with that tone. Sorry, I'm a Japanese and I ever saw how much loathing and hatred went into your post. Next time, please do more courteous behavior... if not, I hate to think of how people will treat you.
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see my post above, the tone was no nearly as hostile as you took it, and as you spend more time on this site you will understand why some people sometimes go overboard in their frustration. I appreciate your effort to encourage civility toward each other when we are posting.
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the tone was no nearly as hostile as you took it,
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Yes it was.
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Yes it was.
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Then you don't read enough threads around here, as flaming goes (especially for people who don't search before starting new threads) it is pretty mild.
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Then you don't read enough threads around here, as flaming goes (especially for people who don't search before starting new threads) it is pretty mild.
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Still rude. But he was really helpful to the guy.
by helping people who don't follow the rules, you only encourage such behavor.
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by helping people who don't follow the rules, you only encourage such behavor.
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Agreed!! Way to put it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326590
I guess do unto to others as they do unto you. This might be a development forum not thread.
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Search the entire forum. In fact google the interenet for the question I posted in that thread. It is no where to be found. And it was a development idea posted in a development thread after all that searching had been done. Your not comparing apples to apples. In fact there is no comparable comparison.
Anybody got an answer to that thread let me know b/c it still hasn't been solved!!!! LMFAO!!
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Search the entire forum. In fact google the interenet for the question I posted in that thread. It is no where to be found. And it was a development idea posted in a development thread after all that searching had been done. Your not comparing apples to apples. In fact there is no comparable comparison.
Anybody got an answer to that thread let me know b/c it still hasn't been solved!!!! LMFAO!!
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I guess by bumping the thread three months later you didn't get the hint that no one was going to answer. Might be your attitude.
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I guess by bumping the thread three months later you didn't get the hint that no one was going to answer. Might be your attitude.
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No jackwad I researched at a time that S2U, Picture Flow Software, Contact Programs, and Music Players being reworked was in its prime. So, I knew that it was being overlooked. Really dude, you don't want to continue to go tit for tat with me!! You weren't even a member at that time!!!
Just agree that new threads are reserved for new ideas and program that have not been done before. And that we should discourage all the lame threading.
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Just agree that new threads are reserved for new ideas and program that have not been done before. And that we should discourage all the lame threading.
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I can do that. If you can be less of a dip**** towords those that might.
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I can do that. If you can be less of a dip**** towords those that might.
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I was less of a dip**** and it continued to happen. At least this is getting some attention that may make a noticable difference of noob's continuing down the same old path of ask questions first, search as a last result.
It would be great if the Moderators would put a sticky at the bottom of the sticky posts for this forum titled "How to Use Search before you post a New Thread" since noob's aren't even taking the time to read the forum rules. While their at it make the title of the sticky thread alway stay BOLD even if no new posts are made in it.
Hey Mods!!!! What do you think of that idea???
Curious G
hello,
how would I go about setting up HTC Home to shortcut to PocketCM for SMS instead of the default wm6.1 SMS app?
I have dcd 2.3.2 installed. I still like the HTC Home plugin and it works very well for my needs, however it is a pain in the arse that the shortcut "notification" points to my old app. Not sure if I am explaining this correctly. On the HTC Home plugin, there is the Email notification, the SMS notification and the Missed Calls notification right under the clock. The middle "number" points to the SMS app, I want to change this to point to PocketCM. And yes I have the option unchecked in pocketcm to "use old application for sms".
Thanks.
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hello,
how would I go about setting up HTC Home to shortcut to PocketCM for SMS instead of the default wm6.1 SMS app?
I have dcd 2.3.2 installed. I still like the HTC Home plugin and it works very well for my needs, however it is a pain in the arse that the shortcut "notification" points to my old app. Not sure if I am explaining this correctly. On the HTC Home plugin, there is the Email notification, the SMS notification and the Missed Calls notification right under the clock. The middle "number" points to the SMS app, I want to change this to point to PocketCM. And yes I have the option unchecked in pocketcm to "use old application for sms".
Thanks.
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This has been discussed countless times on this forum. Please use search at the top of this page. Try keywords "HTC SMS", "HTC HOME SMS" or any others you can think of. When you find the thread that best fits, and there are a few, post your question there please.
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This has been discussed countless times on this forum. Please use search at the top of this page. Try keywords "HTC SMS", "HTC HOME SMS" or any others you can think of. When you find the thread that best fits, and there are a few, post your question there please.
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Thanks for the reply. Yea I did that, this isn't my first forum. I did searches and nothing was apparent. Since you know the forums so well I think it would have been more helpful to perhaps supply a link.
Anyone else?
goon55 said:
Thanks for the reply. Yea I did that, this isn't my first forum. I did searches and nothing was apparent. Since you know the forums so well I think it would have been more helpful to perhaps supply a link.
Anyone else?
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If I did that, then every time you need something you didn't want to spend more than a few moments looking for you would just simply start a new thread and ask a question. It would be your trained response. Thats not acceptable here. The answer is on this site. It may or may not be the one you want but I am not willing to give it to you. You must search for it. I know it exists because I searched for it.
Thanks
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If I did that, then every time you need something you didn't want to spend more than a few moments looking for you would just simply start a new thread and ask a question. It would be your trained response. Thats not acceptable here. The answer is on this site. It may or may not be the one you want but I am not willing to give it to you. You must search for it. I know it exists because I searched for it.
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Father?!? Is that you...?!?
Try checking the links next time; even though the results don't specifically say "PocketCM SMS" or whatever in them, they are related. I searched "HTC HOME SMS" and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th results are all the same request that you have, except with different programs.
No harm done, though, now you know.
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Try checking the links next time; even though the results don't specifically say "PocketCM SMS" or whatever in them, they are related. I searched "HTC HOME SMS" and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th results are all the same request that you have, except with different programs.
No harm done, though, now you know.
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Don't you see that is what I suggested him to do in the 2nd post. He was too lazy to frickin do it himself. Yes there was certainly harm done. You helped him and now him being Pavlovs dog his trained response is to be a lazy**** and ask everytime instead of searching. You harmed him and the community. I gues he does need a Daddy.
Who's your daddy goon55???
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Don't you see that is what I suggested him to do in the 2nd post. He was too lazy to frickin do it himself. Yes there was certainly harm done. You helped him and now him being Pavlovs dog his trained response is to be a lazy**** and ask everytime instead of searching. You harmed him and the community. I gues he does need a Daddy.
Who's your daddy goon55???
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OK Curious G... now that you've gone against your own statements by perpetuating an extraneous thread. Yes I did just perouse some of your previous posts and I may add that early on you did have a few less than stellar posts of your own. Dont forget that we were all once noobs and needed a little guidance. If everyone that achieved Sr.Member status stopped answering arsenine questions then there would be no new development and we'd all still be using locked phones with only the junk the carriers put on them.
In any case getting back on toppic.
I do believe that the question was asked, if the SMS button on HTC Home could be redirected to use another application.
The short answer is NO it can not. It is hard coded into the signed DLL file. There is a thread where someone was attemting to HEX edit the DLL file to redirect the functions. They had minor success but nothing that would enable what you and many other are looking for. The other problem was that since the app is signed, altering it would break the signing and result in the app not functioning.
This concludes our special report.
We now return you to the previously scheduled flaming.
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OK Curious G... now that you've gone against your own statements by perpetuating an extraneous thread. Yes I did just perouse some of your previous posts and I may add that early on you did have a few less than stellar posts of your own. Dont forget that we were all once noobs and needed a little guidance. If everyone that achieved Sr.Member status stopped answering arsenine questions then there would be no new development and we'd all still be using locked phones with only the junk the carriers put on them.
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If you peroused my posts as you said you would find that I knew I had some early posts that where less than forum delightful but that I had found what many had told me to do was search alot first.
And dude, your still a new nooby here. And I don't give a rats crap about jr member, member, sr member etc.... it is about the expectation of people to be their personal answering service in a hacking and development forum.
In any case getting back on toppic.
I do believe that the question was asked, if the SMS button on HTC Home could be redirected to use another application.
The short answer is NO it can not. It is hard coded into the signed DLL file. There is a thread where someone was attemting to HEX edit the DLL file to redirect the functions. They had minor success but nothing that would enable what you and many other are looking for. The other problem was that since the app is signed, altering it would break the signing and result in the app not functioning.
This concludes our special report.
We now return you to the previously scheduled flaming.
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I told him in the second post that the answer may or may not be to his liking. I already new the answer was no. I didn't want him to have that answer here becuase he would and will just continue to post questions as he sees fit instead of being conditioned into deep searching first.
Ah.. I see. It was learned behavior. As a noob you were repeatedly instructed to search for your own answers and as such you propogate the cycle by disceminating the same attitudes toward other noobs.
I also see you contradict yourself within the same sentence by stating that you care nothing of the status indicators yet call out that I am still just a noob. While yes my post count is extreemly low and my join date is October of last year. I have in fact been coming to these forums for quite a long time and on average spend hours a day reading the posts. On average I rarely post and typically find my own answers. So while in title I am still classified as a noob I would in fact be nothing close to noobish.
With respect to "it is about the expectation of people to be their personal answering service in a hacking and development forum."
Definitions of forum:
a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
a public facility to meet for open discussion
I do believe that by expecting people to come here and answer their own questions that would completely undermine the definition of forum. As such this would mean that the devs should not share the information that they have gained and tell everyone to go find the answers themselves.
Some forum that would be. Post after post of go search for the answer.. Oh wait. No one ever shared the answer therfore there is nothing to search for.
Finally. If you already knew the answer, then would it have just not been simpler to post NO IT CAN NOT and have been done with this?
As for
"I didn't want him to have that answer here becuase he would and will just continue to post questions as he sees fit instead of being conditioned into deep searching first. "
I guess I missed the part in the forum agreement, when I signed up, that stated any question can be asked yet Curious Gerorge reserves the right to determine if you deserve the answer.
Although I do percieve that you either personally know goon55 or you are clairvoyant as you know that he will continue to ask for answers to questions instead of searching for them on his own. If the clairvoyancy is accurate then please do share what the lottery numbers will be this week.
In closing knowldege is for sharing so goon55 now that I've shared my knowledge with you pay it forward, learn what you can, and help out some other noob in the future.
almost every thread i've clicked on in the past few weeks has a response from Curious George saying "try the search button". did you get all 350 posts by repeating this same response to every thread you've chimed in on? its really annoying. almost annoying as it is for you to see these "reposts". so just calm down dude. its not that big of a deal
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Ah.. I see. It was learned behavior. As a noob you were repeatedly instructed to search for your own answers and as such you propogate the cycle by disceminating the same attitudes toward other noobs.
I also see you contradict yourself within the same sentence by stating that you care nothing of the status indicators yet call out that I am still just a noob. While yes my post count is extreemly low and my join date is October of last year. I have in fact been coming to these forums for quite a long time and on average spend hours a day reading the posts. On average I rarely post and typically find my own answers. So while in title I am still classified as a noob I would in fact be nothing close to noobish.
With respect to "it is about the expectation of people to be their personal answering service in a hacking and development forum."
Definitions of forum:
a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
a public facility to meet for open discussion
I do believe that by expecting people to come here and answer their own questions that would completely undermine the definition of forum. As such this would mean that the devs should not share the information that they have gained and tell everyone to go find the answers themselves.
Some forum that would be. Post after post of go search for the answer.. Oh wait. No one ever shared the answer therfore there is nothing to search for.
Finally. If you already knew the answer, then would it have just not been simpler to post NO IT CAN NOT and have been done with this?
As for
"I didn't want him to have that answer here becuase he would and will just continue to post questions as he sees fit instead of being conditioned into deep searching first. "
I guess I missed the part in the forum agreement, when I signed up, that stated any question can be asked yet Curious Gerorge reserves the right to determine if you deserve the answer.
Although I do percieve that you either personally know goon55 or you are clairvoyant as you know that he will continue to ask for answers to questions instead of searching for them on his own. If the clairvoyancy is accurate then please do share what the lottery numbers will be this week.
In closing knowldege is for sharing so goon55 now that I've shared my knowledge with you pay it forward, learn what you can, and help out some other noob in the future.
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Well said, agreed, and thank you for answering my question.
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Ah.. I see. It was learned behavior. As a noob you were repeatedly instructed to search for your own answers and as such you propogate the cycle by disceminating the same attitudes toward other noobs..
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You bet ya!
I also see you contradict yourself within the same sentence by stating that you care nothing of the status indicators yet call out that I am still just a noob. While yes my post count is extreemly low and my join date is October of last year. I have in fact been coming to these forums for quite a long time and on average spend hours a day reading the posts. On average I rarely post and typically find my own answers. So while in title I am still classified as a noob I would in fact be nothing close to noobish..
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Your 5 minutes old here. Thats a noob
With respect to "it is about the expectation of people to be their personal answering service in a hacking and development forum."
Definitions of forum:
a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
a public facility to meet for open discussion
I do believe that by expecting people to come here and answer their own questions that would completely undermine the definition of forum. As such this would mean that the devs should not share the information that they have gained and tell everyone to go find the answers themselves.
Some forum that would be. Post after post of go search for the answer.. Oh wait. No one ever shared the answer therfore there is nothing to search for.
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Actually, they are are to make an honest attempt at answering their own questions. That is done by searching. In this Forum the developers post programs and support is provided by both they and other members who may be able to lend a helping hand on that topic in that thread. Others may lend a suggestion towards a development idea but only after it has been researched to confirm they are not double posting. As for the dictionary definition you have quoted; well, for here, your just plain wrong. Probably has to do with that fact that you are noob and haven't read the forum rules yourself. This forum has a clear policy stating a member of any calibur should detail search before they post.
Finally. If you already knew the answer, then would it have just not been simpler to post NO IT CAN NOT and have been done with this? .
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Already stated. It just encourages the behaviour.
As for
"I didn't want him to have that answer here becuase he would and will just continue to post questions as he sees fit instead of being conditioned into deep searching first. "
I guess I missed the part in the forum agreement, when I signed up, that stated any question can be asked yet Curious Gerorge reserves the right to determine if you deserve the answer..
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Yes, you did!
Although I do percieve that you either personally know goon55 or you are clairvoyant as you know that he will continue to ask for answers to questions instead of searching for them on his own. If the clairvoyancy is accurate then please do share what the lottery numbers will be this week..
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It's a gift. I would share it with you but I believe you spend too much time trying to come up with big words to impress yourself. And your lucky numbers are 35, 4, 17, 12, 61. But play them at your own risk!!
In closing knowldege is for sharing so goon55 now that I've shared my knowledge with you pay it forward, learn what you can, and help out some other noob in the future.
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Yes, pay it forward by directing people to post were they should and answer their question there. As to eliminate the excessive amount of repeat threading that occurs in this forum of this site.
Here is an attempt at my ability to impress myself with big words, HeyCrop, Your feable attempt to participate in any intelligent coversation only goes to exagerate your already pathetic lack of mental ability.
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almost every thread i've clicked on in the past few weeks has a response from Curious George saying "try the search button". did you get all 350 posts by repeating this same response to every thread you've chimed in on? its really annoying. almost annoying as it is for you to see these "reposts". so just calm down dude. its not that big of a deal
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Yeah it is that big of deal. The site is becoming muddy.
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Well said, agreed, and thank you for answering my question.
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As put by a noob.
Am I a noob, if I don't like curious george comments?
Oh lord! I am so glad to be a noob!!!!
@Heykrop:
Thank you! I like a forum where people help each other!
@goon55:
Try to search first but if you don't find the answer feel free to ask. I will help if I can!
BANNED!!!
Mua-ha-ha! LOL!!!
The guy just wanted some help, not the theory of Moderating...
Heykrop, I truly enjoy your skilled use of the English language I marvel as to what you do as your gainful occupation? Author? Poet? Litigation? Do say!
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Heykrop, I truly enjoy your skilled use of the English language I marvel as to what you do as your gainful occupation? Author? Poet? Litigation? Do say!
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None of the above. I'm an Integration Engineer for one of the leading global companies in component and systems manufacturing and distribution. My primary task is to write assembly/configuration documentation for hardware, software and various OS's for our production lines.
I basically get handed a pile of components with details on how a particular customer needs the system to function etc. I then build, configure and document it so that it can be reproduced hundreds or thousands of times without error.
We've got a lot of new users appear on here lately, it looks like in search of updated roms for the x1.
PLEASE IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS THEN DO NOT FLASH A ROM
without
A) reading
B) reading some more
C) reading even more!
All the roms should come through the SE Update Service, please use that as it is a simpler method and if something goes wrong, then you can go to SE to complain..
Please use the search if you have a problem, if you don't find what you want the first time, then search again, maybe try searching around the subject.
There's a very very good chance that the question has already been answered several times!
If you can't find the answer then flick through the older pages on the thread, if it's something to do with the operation of the X1 then there's a good chance it's in the oldest pages of the forum.
Experienced members get upset by people starting new threads with the same moans or questions because it really clogs up the great search system with all manner of wasted threads. If there's an existing thread than use that please! If the questions already been asked don't ask it again!
This forum is not a SE support forum, no-one (that will admit to it anyway) is from SE so if you have issues with them why not raise it with them?
If you want to know how you X1 does various stuff try one of the operators online guides.
If you flash a custom rom or another rom obtained from here, despite being warned not too. DO NOT go running off to MS or SE complaining that it's all gone wrong, they
A) won't likely listen
B)won't like us very much
Ta.
You should keep this on the very first ROMS subforum page fards
I know It's already written everywhere... old problem... but many people falls in parachute here, landing directly inside the ROMs post from external links. XDA DEVS is da bomb
And no newbies seem to read anything but exclusively what they are looking for
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And no newbies seem to read anything but exclusively what they are looking for
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Hmmm...a rather sweeping generalisation methinks...
I'm a noob here, I'll admit that. However, I'm a board Admin elsewhere in cyberspace so I know exactly where you're coming from. I've done my time reading, understanding, occasionally asking relevant questions in the relevant places, and trying to help out where I might have some answers.
Your advice is spot on, and anyone who is inexperienced should tread slowly and carefully. There is all the time in the world to learn how to get it right, but it takes very little time to totally stuff things up.
"Use the search, Luke"
Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
This thread has no meaning whatsoever. New guys will probably just read first lines skip it and ask a question.
And remember we have all been there, not knowing how to flash etc.
Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.
this thread doesnt make sense without any links to where to read...
This forum is where you read. it is a development forum, not a help forum!
you read the first thread that the moderators try to get EVERY NEW USER to read, this was a gentle reminder to get people to do just that.
People are not here to act as customer service for people who are too lazy to use the search facility on this site.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=681487&postcount=1
try that and the one below for starters.
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A perfect example of not reading. The purpose of this thread is not to reference, it's to inform.
FrezoreR said:
Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
This thread has no meaning whatsoever. New guys will probably just read first lines skip it and ask a question.
And remember we have all been there, not knowing how to flash etc.
Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.
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Searching is quite time consuming but you have no idea what kind of information is in this treasure chest. U accidentally stumble on to some great stuff.
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Searching is quite time consuming but you have no idea what kind of information is in this treasure chest. U accidentally stumble on to some great stuff.
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and unfortunately it gets harder the more threads we get asking exactly the same thing over and over again.. ;P
Yea that is true. I was searching PIE6 and i ran across about 13-14 threads of the same question. i was on like page 3 or 4 of the search before i got the right hit.
maybe xda-newbies.com should be registered as a none development and referance site? lol
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Yea that is true. I was searching PIE6 and i ran across about 13-14 threads of the same question. i was on like page 3 or 4 of the search before i got the right hit.
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which reminds me the pie8 files that sun_dream posted in his BA 6.5 thread work, when copied over on itjes 6.5 (it's still pie6 core I think. but a bit snappier).
How about a period of not being able to post when registering ?, a day or three would give new members with their questions a little time to cool down and search/read for the answers which will usually be found here somewhere.
Just an idea.
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How about a period of not being able to post when registering ?, a day or three would give new members with their questions a little time to cool down and search/read for the answers which will usually be found here somewhere.
Just an idea.
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I actually think that's not a bad idea, was just suggesting it to a couple of other members. Only drawback I think is that it couldn't be restricted to one sub forum such as the x1 from my experiences with vbulletin..
So it would restrict some of the truly amazing first posts that have come from some of the great genii?? on this site..
Alternatively we could have another Sub-forum, in the X1, with for newbies to ask the same questions of each other (like a creche) and anyone found straying outside of that forum until they've learnt to search and read would get electrocuted.. or something..
you mean, something like asking a question about an advanced feature, if you have it right then you're allowed to the real forums?
Well to be honest, the only thing a noob should read are the stickies. I learned to flash, edit, modify, type, behave, proof read, error correction, ask nicely, say please thank you cookie i love you, by reading those stickies.
Actually I think it's a good idea to have a sub-forum for the newbies, and then bomb them with the 'READ THE F-WORD STICKIES OR DIE' *going too far here...
Search ?? No thanks
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Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
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I LOVE this one.
Seems like he hasn't even seen the ROM-DEV subforum front page with all those sticky posts full of DIY tutorials, clear explanations, links, "how to"s... never mind...
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Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.
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Maybe he's right: xda-devs should delete the "search" box and google is a freaking waste of time
And yes: I received two or three "search and read!!" replies to my very first posts too... Human nature...
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I LOVE this one.
Seems like he hasn't even seen the ROM-DEV subforum front page with all those sticky posts full of DIY tutorials, clear explanations, links, "how to"s... never mind...
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Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
Maybe he's right: xda-devs should delete the "search" box and google is a freaking waste of time
And yes: I received two or three "search and read!!" replies to my very first posts too... Human nature...
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But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.
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would get electrocuted.. or something..
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Haha. Make sure everyone has an 'xda' branded keyboard with strategically placed electrodes on it..
Ok ok, I guess that would be a bit overboard!
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Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.
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Lets face it. Most people that come here with questions like "how can I flash my ROM?" just didn't bother to look. And trust me, there's plenty.
The bothersome thing is not that people ask questions, that's normal in a developer environment. What does bother me, and most - if not all - others is that they ask questions they can answer themselves by putting just a wee bit of time into it. Instead, they had rather have other people spend time doing everything for them. I can see where this attitude comes from - it's easier, but you get my point.
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Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.
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If people manage to use a search engine to find this site then they can manage to use a search engine to find the answers to their questions.
Not knowing or being too lazy to be independent enough to search is the real immaturity.
Sorry if this is a stupid question guys, but I've just bought a HD2 with the energy rom already on it, what is this and why is it better than the standard rom?
Hi,
You have 100% right - it is stupid question.
ROM - It's another name for operating system with drivers and settings, its a compilation.
Why You use Win XP on Your desktop instead of Windows 3.11 ?
! Because it's better, it's faster, more intuitive, more stable, it's.....
Each ROM is developed for some reason - somebody fix something or change few things.
In my case HTC gives a sh_ _ on me with ROM updates for my region / country - Only thing to do was to flash unofficial ROM.
Read, then ask question.
wow, thats the way to make a neebie welcome. I know you guys want people to read and search more before posting but come on... Im glad not everone is like that.
I also have a couple of newbie questions but ill post in about 6 months after ive read every single post on the site to make sure no one hs asked the question before.
RReckless
Don't make a evil daemon from me , I start with joke , then gently tell what is what and why with ROM, and on the end give a good advice to search and read before asking.
know it all geeks
dont worry bout him mate u always get some gimp know it all like him on here theres lots of helpful people on here 2
perhaps I should've worded it better, I've haven't had a standard hd2 as it was like this when I bought it, but I meant what is different on the energy rom to standard? also is there asetting to lock the keypad when I press the bottom left phone button? mine just turns the screen off but all you have to do is repress it and your back on, I've already called someone in my pocket
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perhaps I should've worded it better, I've haven't had a standard hd2 as it was like this when I bought it, but I meant what is different on the energy rom to standard? also is there asetting to lock the keypad when I press the bottom left phone button? mine just turns the screen off but all you have to do is repress it and your back on, I've already called someone in my pocket
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In regards to your Energy ROM question, I've been to the HD2 ROM forum (couple of clicks back from this one) and the top posting is the Energy ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784
There is a brief outline of the advantages, straight from the developer themselves.
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I also have a couple of newbie questions but ill post in about 6 months after ive read every single post on the site to make sure no one hs asked the question before.
RReckless
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make sure you DO
its extremely annoying for the regulars on this site to keep seeing the same noob questions asked over and over again.
That is what SEARCH is for.
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also is there asetting to lock the keypad when I press the bottom left phone button? mine just turns the screen off but all you have to do is repress it and your back on, I've already called someone in my pocket
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Lock the phone manually by pressing the start button then tap LOCK (at the bottom of the screen), then next time the screen goes off it will lock automatically.
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make sure you DO
its extremely annoying for the regulars on this site to keep seeing the same noob questions asked over and over again.
That is what SEARCH is for.
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what exactly do you mean by "regulars?" Is this how "regulars" welcome a new user on this forum?
i don't see why "regulars" like you, act like you are getting paid that a noob redundant question annoys you. You are not even obligated to answer any questions that you do not feel like answering.
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what exactly do you mean by "regulars?" Is this how "regulars" welcome a new user on this forum?
i don't see why "regulars" like you, act like you are getting paid that a noob redundant question annoys you. You are not even obligated to answer any questions that you do not feel like answering.
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well put.... I say, as an xda noob
Bandare said:
well put.... I say, as an xda noob
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The reason regulars are like that is it wastes everyone's time when you ask the same questions over and over.
It wastes the noob's time typing the message when a simple search up the top can answer it in a few clicks.
It wastes the noob's and the regular's time by making them sift through pages of redundant threads rather than having new original issues - if a noob has an original issue, it may take ages for someone to find it to answer, thats if they manage to find it at all.
A lot of noobs tend to ask the redundant question without searching, then when the thread moves through several pages, they bump it with a "no one going to help!?!" reply. This would move it above an issue that may well have a higher importance, yet it would have been quicker for them to search than to trawl through and find their thread to reply to.
If noobs did more searching, we wouldn't have to keep explaining the reasons why we ask noobs to search every time they don't.
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The reason regulars are like that is it wastes everyone's time when you ask the same questions over and over.
It wastes the noob's time typing the message when a simple search up the top can answer it in a few clicks.
It wastes the noob's and the regular's time by making them sift through pages of redundant threads rather than having new original issues - if a noob has an original issue, it may take ages for someone to find it to answer, thats if they manage to find it at all.
A lot of noobs tend to ask the redundant question without searching, then when the thread moves through several pages, they bump it with a "no one going to help!?!" reply. This would move it above an issue that may well have a higher importance, yet it would have been quicker for them to search than to trawl through and find their thread to reply to.
If noobs did more searching, we wouldn't have to keep explaining the reasons why we ask noobs to search every time they don't.
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Having said the above, let's pretend a newbie have joined the forum today and have asked a question that may have been asked and solved already or better yet asked something that a no brainer can do.
Does that make it annoying for "regulars" already? Your explanation sounds more like you are saying that "regulars" are obligated to answer questions from a noob, yet it is not.
and you said ---> "then when the thread moves through several pages, they bump it with a "no one going to help!?!" reply." <---- and these kind of things affect the so called "regulars"? Does it hurt??? that you need to harass a newbie?
My reaction would be, so what if it moved several times??? I've seen a lot of a very old post that is being answered to this date.
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Having said the above, let's pretend a newbie have joined the forum today and have asked a question that may have been asked and solved already or better yet asked something that a no brainer can do.
Does that make it annoying for "regulars" already? Your explanation sounds more like you are saying that "regulars" are obligated to answer questions from a noob, yet it is not.
and you said ---> "then when the thread moves through several pages, they bump it with a "no one going to help!?!" reply." <---- and these kind of things affect the so called "regulars"? Does it hurt??? that you need to harass a newbie?
My reaction would be, so what if it moved several times??? I've seen a lot of a very old post that is being answered to this date.
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Theres no need for your reaction here.
Just ask yourself this... why is there a sticky thread right at the top of this forum that tells people how to use search?
Audio Oblivion said:
Theres no need for your reaction here.
Just ask yourself this... why is there a sticky thread right at the top of this forum that tells people how to use search?
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That sticky serves as guide to a do a search, because not all users know how to use search.
My point is, you and the rest of the so called "regulars" act like they have the right to harass or treat newbies like they did have no education at all.
It doesn't mean you see "newbie or junior member" then they should be treated this way.
There's another way of saying things like "Hey man, try searching the forum by using this" instead of "make sure you DO its extremely annoying for the regulars on this site to keep seeing the same noob questions asked over and over again."
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That sticky serves as guide to a do a search, because not all users know how to use search.
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Have you even read that sticky?
It says... and i quote "Remember, please search first before posting on XDA. It is highly likely that your issue/problem has been mentioned before and a solution is at hand."
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My point is, you and the rest of the so called "regulars" act like they have the right to harass or treat newbies like they did have no education at all.
It doesn't mean you see "newbie or junior member" then they should be treated this way.
There's another way of saying things like "Hey man, try searching the forum by using this" instead of "make sure you DO its extremely annoying for the regulars on this site to keep seeing the same noob questions asked over and over again."
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The way people come across on internet forums is not necessarily how they would come across in a real life conversation. For example... my reading of your posts in this thread gives me the image of you jumping up and down ranting like a madman. Kind of like Animal out of the muppets...
Thats not really you is it?
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Have you even read that sticky?
It says... and i quote "Remember, please search first before posting on XDA. It is highly likely that your issue/problem has been mentioned before and a solution is at hand."
The way people come across on internet forums is not necessarily how they would come across in a real life conversation. For example... my reading of your posts in this thread gives me the image of you jumping up and down ranting like a madman. Kind of like Animal out of the muppets...
Thats not really you is it?
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you are missing the point. =) you just made me laugh by calling me and referring me to "names like that". I don't remember saying something absurd about you personally.
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you are missing the point. =) you just made me laugh by calling me and referring me to "names like that". I don't remember saying something absurd about you personally.
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you see... that is my point
im not insulting you intentionally... just telling you how you come across to me... but you have taken it as an insult :-(
Just to re-iterate... my original post here (ie/ telling the noobs to use search) was not intended as any kind of harassment... just a solid nudge in the direction of the search function.
I mean theres a moderater sticky saying the exact same thing i am saying!
Granted his words might seem friendlier then mine but look at the post i was replying to. Theres an example of someone using sarcasm to try and make the point that it takes too much time to search.
The reason it takes a long time to search is because noobs DONT search and post the same questions over and over. Its an endless circle of death.
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you see... that is my point
im not insulting you intentionally... just telling you how you come across to me... but you have taken it as an insult :-(
Just to re-iterate... my original post here (ie/ telling the noobs to use search) was not intended as any kind of harassment... just a solid nudge in the direction of the search function.
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"Great to see that there is another side of yourself".. after all.
and oh yeah, there is a nicer way to put it instead of the "a solid nudge in the direction of the search function". In case you do not know, feel free to ask me.
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and oh yeah, there is a nicer way to put it instead of the "a solid nudge in the direction of the search function". In case you do not know, feel free to ask me.
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no... i know there is... but again... read what i was replying to. I thought my post appropriate and i stand by it. :thumbup:
"hey guys,
Sorry to be a pita(pain-in-the-a**), I just wanted to make a positive contribution to the forum, and help keep the forums clean and tidy.
For the new guys joining this forum, it can be a lonely, confusing place. So I thought you might appreciate some guidelines/pointers before you make your first post:
This section that you are in now, is the General Section, it's for posting information and making observations.
We have a separate section for questions, appropriately named the Q&A Section, which is the place to post questions/queries if you need help, and time is of the essence.
There's an Accessories Section, where you can post about screen protectors/docks/cables, etc for your Tab
Its important to remember, that the Development section is for developers only. You can make a comment on the threads that are posted by Devs, but unless you are a developer, you should NOT be posting threads in the development section, EVER.
Finally, there is a Themes and Apps Section, where you can find/post information about different applications or wallpapers/themes for your phone.
The reason I'm posting this is because I know what it's like to be a 'noob'.
Don't be insulted by that term.
Everyone was a noob once.
But by reading the threads(especially the stickies) and using the Search function effectively (Did you know you can narrow the search down to a single section in the forum?) you can help educate yourself, and avoid duplicate threads where the same info/question is posted more than once. Which increases the chances of the relevant information being more easily accessible to the people looking for it.
So guys, please use the search function, chances are, the question you have, or the information you seek has already been asked or posted before. Else people are likely going to post this in your thread.
http://youtu.be/JmvCpR45LKA
Anyway, if you reached this part of the post, thanks for reading, and I hope it has been helpful.
If you hit the Thanks button Karma will shine kindly on your a**"
Big Thanks Goes For Who Support This Idea
Big Big Thanks Goes For "stoney73" for providing The Correct sentences and correcting\changing my whole POST
In Case you wanna Learn Something About your Tab check this link ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1133590 )
1st time i see this thread without a QUESTION .. Magical
..Sounds like good advice......
Cheers.
conantroutman said:
..Sounds like good advice......
Cheers.
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thanks for the support
I cant believe someone wasted the time to write this. Google Common Sense.
Timanator said:
I cant believe someone wasted the time to write this. Google Common Sense.
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so if you think that i wasted my time to wrote this all sentences ,, at least you should appreciated a little .. cuz i did it for their own good ,
thanks
k0sh said:
so if you think that i wasted my time to wrote this all sentences ,, at least you should appreciated a little .. cuz i did it for their own good ,
thanks
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Why would he appreciate you wasting your time?
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GANJDROID said:
Why would he appreciate you wasting your time?
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careful that was a question!
You guys are hilarious.....
The fact is that despite a sticky and forum announcement, I'm still moving 10+ threads a day from the general section.
So if someone wants to remind people where to post things then thats fair enough.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Why would he appreciate you wasting your time?
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careful that was a question!
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Code:
You guys are hilarious.....The fact is that despite a sticky and forum announcement, I'm still moving 10+ threads a day from the general section.
So if someone wants to remind people where to post things then thats fair enough.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
conantroutman said:
You guys are hilarious.....
The fact is that despite a sticky and forum announcement, I'm still moving 10+ threads a day from the general section.
So if someone wants to remind people where to post things then thats fair enough.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Don't get me wrong, I know this thread is a good idea, but I genuinely have trouble reading/understanding what k0sh says. Or why someone that thinks he's wasting his time should still appreciate it.
I don't think this will get through to people though. Especially with that title.
Hello,
Would you just cut him some slack? Pretty please?
His english isn't so good because that's not his first language. Malaysian english is horrid, but it's not their fault, visit the place and you will understand.
He is trying to raise awareness of posting correctly in the right section, so I guess at least he has good intention. Although this has been done in the sticky and almost everywhere else.
If you don't like his post, isn't sometimes silence is gold?
Sometimes the harsh response for a post in the wrong section is just crazy in this forum. The harsh response seemed like venting out frustration on an ignorant noob.
In the interest of keeping the peace, I took the liberty to rewrite kosh's post. (kosh, feel free to use it if you want). I tried to keep it close to your own words. I also just added in info about the accessories and themes/apps sections.Hope you don't mind.
"hey guys,
Sorry to be an pita(pain-in-the-ass), I just wanted make a positive contribution to the forum, and help keep the forums clean and tidy.
For the new guys joining this forum, it can be a lonely, confusing place. So I thought you might appreciate some guidelines/pointers before you make your first post:
This section that you are in now, is the General Section, it's for posting information and making observations.
We have a separate section for questions, appropriately named the Q&A Section, which is the place to post questions/queries if you need help, and time is of the essence.
There's an Accessories Section, where you can post about screen protectors/docks/cables, etc for your Tab
Its important to remember, that the Development section is for developers only. You can make a comment on the threads that are posted by Devs, but unless you are a developer, you should NOT be posting threads in the development section, EVER.
Finally, there is a Themes and Apps Section, where you can find/post information about different applications or wallpapers/themes for your phone.
The reason I'm posting this is because I know what it's like to be a 'noob'.
Don't be insulted by that term.
Everyone was a noob once.
But by reading the threads(especially the stickies) and using the Search function effectively (Did you know you can narrow the search down to a single section in the forum?) you can help educate yourself, and avoid duplicate threads where the same info/question is posted more than once. Which increases the chances of the relevant information being more easily accessible to the people looking for it.
So guys, please use the seach function, chances are, the question you have, or the information you seek has already been asked or posted before. Else people are likely going to post this in your thread.
http://youtu.be/JmvCpR45LKA
Anyway, if you reached this part of the post, thanks for reading, and I hope it has been helpful.
If you hit the Thanks button Karma will shine kindly on your ass"
stoney73 said:
In the interest of keeping the peace, I took the liberty to rewrite kosh's post. (kosh, feel free to use it if you want). I tried to keep it close to your own words. I also just added in info about the accessories and themes/apps sections.Hope you don't mind.
"hey guys,
Sorry to be an pita(pain-in-the-ass), I just wanted make a positive contribution to the forum, and help keep the forums clean and tidy.
For the new guys joining this forum, it can be a lonely, confusing place. So I thought you might appreciate some guidelines/pointers before you make your first post:
This section that you are in now, is the General Section, it's for posting information and making observations.
We have a separate section for questions, appropriately named the Q&A Section, which is the place to post questions/queries if you need help, and time is of the essence.
There's an Accessories Section, where you can post about screen protectors/docks/cables, etc for your Tab
Its important to remember, that the Development section is for developers only. You can make a comment on the threads that are posted by Devs, but unless you are a developer, you should NOT be posting threads in the development section, EVER.
Finally, there is a Themes and Apps Section, where you can find/post information about different applications or wallpapers/themes for your phone.
The reason I'm posting this is because I know what it's like to be a 'noob'.
Don't be insulted by that term.
Everyone was a noob once.
But by reading the threads(especially the stickies) and using the Search function effectively (Did you know you can narrow the search down to a single section in the forum?) you can help educate yourself, and avoid duplicate threads where the same info/question is posted more than once. Which increases the chances of the relevant information being more easily accessible to the people looking for it.
So guys, please use the seach function, chances are, the question you have, or the information you seek has already been asked or posted before. Else people are likely going to post this in your thread.
http://youtu.be/JmvCpR45LKA
Anyway, if you reached this part of the post, thanks for reading, and I hope it has been helpful.
If you hit the Thanks button Karma will shine kindly on your ass"
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Awesome !!!! going to use it
jpanggy said:
Hello,
Would you just cut him some slack? Pretty please?
His english isn't so good because that's not his first language. Malaysian english is horrid, but it's not their fault, visit the place and you will understand.
He is trying to raise awareness of posting correctly in the right section, so I guess at least he has good intention. Although this has been done in the sticky and almost everywhere else.
If you don't like his post, isn't sometimes silence is gold?
Sometimes the harsh response for a post in the wrong section is just crazy in this forum. The harsh response seemed like venting out frustration on an ignorant noob.
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i'm not malaysian i'm just a student here . so far malaysia is very good . ya the language here is kinda pain in tha A** but they are good ppl
k0sh said:
i'm not malaysian i'm just a student here . so far malaysia is very good . ya the language here is kinda pain in tha A** but they are good ppl
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So, what is your native language? Surely it cant be English.
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So, what is your native language? Surely it cant be English.
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dude if you look to my signature you'll know what is my native language and also where exactly i'm from
Hah! I take offense at the Malaysian English being horrid, come to Malaysia and you'd be pleasantly surprised
Now, unfortunately, Libyan English is another matter altogether! Even I didn't understand what he was trying to say. LOL! I only got interested in the thread due to the Malaysia flag being displayed! LOL!
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dude
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Check the photo - that is no dude! In even that tiny picture I see a gorgeous dudette!
mikhail said:
Hah! I take offense at the Malaysian English being horrid, come to Malaysia and you'd be pleasantly surprised
Now, unfortunately, Libyan English is another matter altogether! Even I didn't understand what he was trying to say. LOL! I only got interested in the thread due to the Malaysia flag being displayed! LOL!
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Lol... I'd take offence too, if anyone would measure the standards of Malaysian English by k0sh's postings.... what with me being a true-blue Malaysian, born-and-bred. ;-)
True, thanks to the wonderful efforts of our government (I won't go into the corny joke of how oxymoronic our government intelligence is...) the standards may be declining, but it's nowhere near what would be termed "horrid", and sure, we'll have our versions of hillbillies and rednecks (referred affectionately, though politically incorrectly as "jakuns"...) who'd mangle the language to no end... but it'll be quite rare for an English-speaking person to not be able to hold a decent conversation with any Malaysian in the Queen's language here, except of course, you run into the people I've just alluded to... ;-)
Anyway, the idea and intent behind this thread is noble, and to be honest k0sh was just trying to help. Yes, the execution may be a tad flawed, so instead of just harping on him or his standards of English (true, his penchant for "txt-spk" doesn't help matters either)... let's just do what stoney has done, and help each other...
@k0sh... you might wanna change your topic title though, as it's incredibly misleading. Maybe you're trying to have an eye-catching title, but it didn't work, so a change in the title might be warranted. Say, something more straightforward like: "Read this before you post...." or something to that effect, perhaps?
Have fun and be nice...
tpb
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Lol... I'd take offence too, if anyone would measure the standards of Malaysian English by k0sh's postings.... what with me being a true-blue Malaysian, born-and-bred. ;-)
True, thanks to the wonderful efforts of our government (I won't go into the corny joke of how oxymoronic our government intelligence is...) the standards may be declining, but it's nowhere near what would be termed "horrid", and sure, we'll have our versions of hillbillies and rednecks (referred affectionately, though politically incorrectly as "jakuns"...) who'd mangle the language to no end... but it'll be quite rare for an English-speaking person to not be able to hold a decent conversation with any Malaysian in the Queen's language here, except of course, you run into the people I've just alluded to... ;-)
Anyway, the idea and intent behind this thread is noble, and to be honest k0sh was just trying to help. Yes, the execution may be a tad flawed, so instead of just harping on him or his standards of English (true, his penchant for "txt-spk" doesn't help matters either)... let's just do what stoney has done, and help each other...
@k0sh... you might wanna change your topic title though, as it's incredibly misleading. Maybe you're trying to have an eye-catching title, but it didn't work, so a change in the title might be warranted. Say, something more straightforward like: "Read this before you post...." or something to that effect, perhaps?
Have fun and be nice...
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Satu Malaysia
probably i'll change it , but with another sticky name .. cuz they don't give a damn about rules , announcements . so i better think of silly name ) ..
Out of topic : they will not know the malaysian ppl until they eat a damn nasi lemak ( fried rice ) ... or come and try and see how the malaysian ppl are kind , easy , normal , they make you love them ..
Satu Malaysia >)