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First good news:
Today, i have been "trial testing" the touch HD with Tomtom 7.415 in parallel with a tomtom ONE box in a car around Paris.
The voices have been in perfect sync (slight echo but NEVER above 0.2 s!) for 20 minutes!
Now, we could speculate and follow rumours, but this is a hard fact - relieving our beloved blackstone and TOMTOM by the GPS LAG accusation...unless anybody would claim that the tomtom ONE box also has the GPS LAG virus...
Second good news:
apparently, TOMTOM has just released new maps and tomtom7 explicitely for the touch pro and diamond, there is a large probability it will also work on the touch HD (see some "opinions" in this forum).
Notice that tomtom7 appears on the tomtom website if you identify yourself from Switzerland, Germany, Nederlands but is apparently not available for France and Italy. Maybe this is just a temporary situation due to translations and/or distribution terms.
So it's time for decisions, and i decided to buy tomtom7 - stopping "opinion forming" and "trial testing" evaluations. For once, my friends, there is a good company that listens to us and provide us with a great product....i have to admit that i feel embarassed!
.....Anybody could confirm that the official tomtom7 commercial release does work on the touch HD?
I nearly chocked on my grilled dumpling there....took tomtom 7 out for a spin and is fine on the HD
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I completely agree, before your post I also posted the same stuff; there is no GPS-lag, strange rumour...
Great to hear that new TomTom maps are on the way
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I tested the GPS with TomTom 7.450, 4 times now, 4 different routes, all perfect, no lag at all, and a very fast fix. Even when I was looking for lag (because of this thread I was watching the screen/road carefully), I didn't see lag at all. The video performance, that's the real problem of this device.
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Guus_ said:
I completely agree, before your post I also posted the same stuff; there is no GPS-lag, strange rumour...
Great to hear that new TomTom maps are on the way
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The rumor started because people believed that because the HD uses the same chipset as the diamond and pro it would lag too...This is not the case. I used Live search gps maps all day today at work with no lag.
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The rumor started because people believed that because the HD uses the same chipset as the diamond and pro it would lag too...This is not the case. I used Live search gps maps all day today at work with no lag.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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I have no clue...the GPS reception strength is leaps and bounds above the Diamond and Touch Pros. Fix time is dramatically quicker. I can get a fix in buildings with my HD without being close to the window! I could never get a fix indoors with my Touch Pro..even flat up next to my window.
GPS signal strength is affected by the radio used by the device. Perhaps they use a different radio version? Same thing can be said about 3G signal. It is also affected by the radio. We know because we have tried many different ROM on other device and know for a fact that different radio gives slightly different results.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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the fact we don't get it - doesn't mean it is not true! If you disagree with the result because you have a gps lag IN YOUR TOUCH HD - please report it in details with some experimental evidence.
...maybe the diamond gps antenna has a low S/N, and it has to be filtered by averaging multiple fixes?
Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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I think the software itself is the problem, not the device. I have used Google Map for driving only three times. The second time I used it, the dot did not move at all! It stays at the point of departure throughout the trip! This was on my Athena. When I used a proper GPS software including iGO and TomTom, I had no problem at all. Even when I'm travelling inside a undersea tunnel, the current position moves alone. Obviously this is done by the software extrapolating the most likely position based on the last known speed.
And we cannot forget that the windshield of the car maybe can be a factor for the lag
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Second good news:
apparently, TOMTOM has just released new maps and tomtom7 explicitely for the touch pro and diamond, there is a large probability it will also work on the touch HD (see some "opinions" in this forum).
Notice that tomtom7 appears on the tomtom website if you identify yourself from Switzerland, Germany, Nederlands but is apparently not available for France and Italy. Maybe this is just a temporary situation due to translations and/or distribution terms.
So it's time for decisions, and i decided to buy tomtom7 - stopping "opinion forming" and "trial testing" evaluations. For once, my friends, there is a good company that listens to us and provide us with a great product....i have to admit that i feel embarassed!
.....Anybody could confirm that the official tomtom7 commercial release does work on the touch HD?
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Sorry, my English is not so good as yours. But does it mean now you can by the Software TTN7 and the maps too on the website from TomTom?
You can not purchase the tomtom application, but you can purchase the maps if you have the program installed and working correctly with tomtom home. Currently only tomtom home version 1.5 allows you to sync your device as the TTN7 application has NOT been officially released by tomtom for the HD to my knowledge.
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I have no clue...the GPS reception strength is leaps and bounds above the Diamond and Touch Pros. Fix time is dramatically quicker. I can get a fix in buildings with my HD without being close to the window! I could never get a fix indoors with my Touch Pro..even flat up next to my window.
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I am seeing the same thing on my HD, I could not get a fix in my house on my TYTNII or on my Omnia, but I can with my HD, and as I posted before I have yet to see the "lag" that has been talked about
My device works fine with Copilot 7, with no lag.
Lag however IS evident on Google Maps. I think is is simply Google Maps that causes the lap by slower page updating. Considering that this is an "online" programme, I think that it is reasonable to assume that such a programme will not be as instantaneous as a dedicated programme.
That's why you pay good money for a faster programme!
First of all...
I completely agree with the ZERO LAG thing and also while the parts of the HD are almost identical HTC has done a lot of optimization, mostly the way the software communicates with the hardware, which is where the GPS lag was resulting from in the first place.
Good to see how fast HTC picks up some things (while other things take years but that is beside the point) as the Diamond is only a couple of months old and they already fixed so many issues and improved so much..
Second thing though, I have not been able to get a lock indoors, but at home and at work I got a couple of stories above me so that probably causes too much signal interference.
3G reception is always perfect though no matter where I am...
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My device works fine with Copilot 7, with no lag.
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Same here with CoPilot Live 6 (with TTS!).
No lag, and good reception, even indoors away from a window!!!
Quick question:
For Tom Tom to work on the Touch HD you have to buy separate software? Or does buying a physical Tom Tom device mean you have the privilege of having it on an alternative device (the Touch HD)?
The HD is my first HTC phone so can't comment on previous lag issues, however side by side to my PDA running TomTom 7.4, my HD running 7.9 is about 100 to 150 meters behind. I know they are different versions, will go back to 7.4 to test further, but that is quite a lag.
On a seperate note, how do you get an external bluetooth GPS to work with the HD? The HD seems to have less bluetooth settings than my WM5 PDA.
The_Stranger said:
Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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Hi Stranger, at 50 km/hour you do about 15 m/s. every GPS of the class we use, e.g. not for professional use, has one position fix every second - which corresponds to about 15 meters. All navigation softwares do quite a lot of interpolation and data filtering, as we all know when we enter into a gallery and the position keeps moving or when we are slightly sideways on the road but the actual position is nicely on the road! So, it is not a surprise that your software could be within a second from the last measurement, since it has a full second before having the next one anyway and a full bunch of operations to make (screen redraw, route calculations, etc.etc.)
BTW, Igo does exactly the same.
Peoples,
I have a Diamond and I often use the GPS, BUT I am always suffering from extended periods to find satellites, sometimes lag, etc etc
I do know how to get "around" some of these issues (on Diamond) by using GPS Test, HTC GPS tools, lighting candles, sacrificing chickens....but its a right pain
The question is put to all Blackstone users....do you suffer from these issues?!?!?
Looking forward to your responses!!
I didn't noticed any problem with GPS
i also use an Athena and the Fixe with blackstone is quicker
The HD is quicker than the diamond with initial GPS fix.
are most folk using TT7?
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I didn't noticed any problem with GPS
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And I could take just between 2 to 11 seconds for fix in Athena. So HD even beats that?
On the Touch HD, the fix is quite fast, usually 10-15 seconds. Then in operation, there's sometimes a small lag, but no more than 1-2 seconds when driving above 100 Km/h -- which is perfectly understandable, since the GPS signal itself is refreshed every second.
GPS location
i am finding the initial GPS location, very quick, keep the quick gps updated.
however when using software like either tomtom 7 or igo 8, position actual and position GPS seem very different. And if at the wrong time, could be very costly re:speed camera's.
other than that, IGO8 blows the socks off tomtom7, just the voice comms alone, then we goto 3d maps and buildings too....
mindblowing, igo8 for the HD! works great
Hi All,
At the moment i own a TP (a.k.a HTC Raphael), but i'm thinking about buying a new phone and the HD2 is one of the candidates. Before buying i would like to know if the GPS performance of the HD2 is up to scratch?
For some unknown reason reviews never (...hardly) include GPS tests.....WHY!!!??
The GPS performance of the TP even with the official HTC patches is still worthless. Waiting for a fix could take an hour (i'm NOT exaggerating).
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Hi All,
At the moment i own a TP (a.k.a HTC Raphael), but i'm thinking about buying a new phone and the HD2 is one of the candidates. Before buying i would like to know if the GPS performance of the HD2 is up to scratch?
For some unknown reason reviews never (...hardly) include GPS tests.....WHY!!!??
The GPS performance of the TP even with the official HTC patches is still worthless. Waiting for a fix could take an hour (i'm NOT exaggerating).
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i know what you are talking about, i had an TP before my HD2 too, and i have to say there is world of difference between them. with my tp i had to wait about 15 mins. with hd2 about 10 seconds.. even inside buildings i get a fix! with my tp i wouldnt even hoped for that.
so yeah its a LOT better
The HD2 is in a different GPS league from the TP, Diamond, etc. They were a disaster.
IOW it's much better IMO.
Works pretty good. I just enable QuickGPS when I flash a ROM and I never have any issues (never tried using GPS without that!)
I've an everage GPS fix in ~15sec.... It's brilliant! even from cold start!
Sometimes you get GPS even in very light buildings
GPS is awesome, simply awesome... outside get a fix in a few seconds with full sat coverage (all the columns show a satellite) inside it takes a few seconds longer and again full columns... there is barely any lag on the journy (icon vs real travel)...
GPS fix in 30 secs in Street Navi, 15 secs in Aviation software ...... great!
Also, 10-15 seconds, outside even less...
What I find amazing: Even in my living room, sitting about 1,5m away from the window, I get fix to 7-10 satellites within 20 seconds...
(Always with fresh QuickGPS data)
when i had a diamond i had no issues at all, the hd2 is a lot faster
I have never used GPS on a PDA before but have a dedicated (new) TomTom GPS unit and when I decided to try my HD2 I mounted them both in the car and ran tests.
Within 5 minutes my mind was made up. The TomTom was outperformed in all areas. The route recalculation is much much MUCH faster than the TomTom and the same applies for the aquisition of the GPS signal. Combine this with an awesome screen and it is perfect. I play music throught the headphone socket to my car stereo and run GPS at the same time. When a call comes in the music mutes and resumes when I hang up. The GPS unit runs in the background without any issue. The TomTom GPS unit is now in the cupboard collecting dust.
I have never used quick GPS as I have never had a need.
I agree, HD2 GPS works like a charm.
QuickGPS - what for!?
After reading the feedback in this thread, I suddenly remembered the QuickGPS. Last time I used it was two months ago, because... it was there to be used! Without QuickGPS I get a fix in my HD2 in around 5 seconds! I am not joking! Never felt the need to go for QuickGPS. BTW, went just now to Options and ticked "Download QuickGPS automatically". Why not!? I have Copilot 8 and love it. Just missing the QWERTY keyboard. Otherwise, there's no better combination in the world when it comes to portable phone-music-GPS-video-Internet-camera-etc, etc.
Wow! Thnx u guys for the feedback!
I can live with getting a fix within 30 sec's on a cold start (coming from an avrg. 15 mins for a fix). The HD2 seems to be the PDA/Phone that i have been waiting for since the dawn of Pocket PC 2002 .
HD2 here i come!
I've found the HD2 to actually get a GPS signal even inside my dad's car. no other gps device can get a signal through the windscreen. It's weak on the HD2, but there!!!
A bluetooth GPS stick cannot even penetrate it.
HD2 GPS is a joke!
I do not mind much if the GPS locks indoor, though HD2 does it very easily indeed (and fast). I find really bad is the very poor precision of HD2 GPS - it constantly gives a 20-40 meters error in all directions (no matter in the city or in open field, no matter how many sats are found, even 10). My old Samsung i780 has an error within 2 meters. Just record your path (on feet) with e.g. RunGPS or NaviComputer and you will see the the ugly zigzag line instead of a smooth one which I used to have with i780. Of course if you are not lucky to have HD2 with much better GPS than my..
(It is almost OK with TomTom car navigation, though, with occasional map rotating and recalculating the route).
GPS is very fast and precise here, definitely the best GPS signal out of all the WM phones I've owned
My GPS with iGO conects in about 10sec and its very precision. Corect in area of 3-4 meters
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GPS is very fast and precise here, definitely the best GPS signal out of all the WM phones I've owned
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This is interesting, maybe your old Tmous radio (..50..) is doing a miracle. i have 2.09.51.03 radio, the previos 2.07.51 had the same bad GPS precision.
However, how do you know that it is precise? If I simply looking at a Google map standing still, I see pretty precise spot which my GPS gives, but once I begin to move, the position begis to jump 20-40 meters to all directions..
HD2's GPS really rocks! My old N95 took about 15 mins to fix.
yep fast here as well about 10 sec for a fix cold.
Few people are complaining now about the low quality of gps. Can you prove this?
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Few people are complaining now about the low quality of gps. Can you prove this?
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Hmm, I did try and track myself on the bus this morning and it did seem to have a problem finding me - it kept flipping between near where I was and about halfway back home. Used it walking down the street and again it didn't seem to be very good at nailing where I was (HD2 seemed much better). I've enabled location via cell location as well as GPS, so I'll see if that makes much difference.
This doesn't sound too promising :/
I've been using my iPhone 3G to track my runs when I head out, and I assumed the Galaxy would do just as good (or better!) at it. Hopefully it's something they can fix with a software patch and not a hardware problem...
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Hmm, I did try and track myself on the bus this morning and it did seem to have a problem finding me - it kept flipping between near where I was and about halfway back home. Used it walking down the street and again it didn't seem to be very good at nailing where I was (HD2 seemed much better). I've enabled location via cell location as well as GPS, so I'll see if that makes much difference.
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Did you get it from Expansys? I am trying to find out whether it is just a batch or it is a more generic issue.
I too am seeing poor performance with the GPS. Seems to be a hardware issue.
I did a test over the weekend comparing my Galaxy S with a friend's HTC Desire. Using one of the many GPS utilities the Desire was consistently seeing and locking more satellites when stood in an open area outside. When running Google maps and showing the current location I found that the "accuracy circle" (for want of a better description) was growing and shrinking several times a minute causing the map to zoom in and out.
I've also noticed that the compass is almost unusable and showing a much lower signal compared to the Desire. I did perform the figure of 8 calibration several times.
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Did you get it from Expansys? I am trying to find out whether it is just a batch or it is a more generic issue.
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Nope, got mine from Handtec. Really hope it's just a software issue that can be easily solved! Also noticed that google homepage in browser keeps saying I'm in China?!
Think I've read somewhere that samsung galaxy (the first one + the spica) have a broken gps driver causing such issues...don't remember if it was in sportypal forums or for a similar application. Very sorry to hear it's not fixed.
Nope I tried out google navigation at the weekend and was really impressed by the accuracy, it made my old tom tom look really bad.
So can we say that GS favours google navigation?
Can anyone confirm that?
This is very worrying, GPS is important for me, I don't want to have another N97 on my hands... fingers crossed it's a software issue....
Tyxerakias said:
This is very worrying, GPS is important for me, I don't want to have another N97 on my hands... fingers crossed it's a software issue....
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I'll have another play on the way home and let you know if there's any improvements.
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I'll have another play on the way home and let you know if there's any improvements.
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I've not noticed any problems in Google Navigation. It found me almost instantly, and was so accurate in terms of showing me where I was while driving that there was almost no perceivable lag.
Whatever people are seeing it very unlikely to be a hardware issue, most phones use GPS chips from only 1 or 2 suppliers, its much more likely something temporary like a driver issue.
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I've not noticed any problems in Google Navigation. It found me almost instantly, and was so accurate in terms of showing me where I was while driving that there was almost no perceivable lag.
Whatever people are seeing it very unlikely to be a hardware issue, most phones use GPS chips from only 1 or 2 suppliers, its much more likely something temporary like a driver issue.
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TravUK, have you tried google maps - did you have any problems with it? (although I assume navigation would be using the same data to find you)
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TravUK, have you tried google maps - did you have any problems with it? (although I assume navigation would be using the same data to find you)
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Yep, Maps works fine, including latitude. Also used Waze which took a little while to get a fix, but was also ok.
Well the journey home was much better! Probably helped that I was sitting by the window on the top deck of the bus, but I managed to get a much better fix, using both google maps and navigation. It wasn't like 100% accurate or anything, but certainly no worse than my hd2. Hardly got the large blue circle, but it did think I was in a field a few times, but that's to be expected. To note, didn't seem to make much difference whether I had both gps and cell data selected, or just gps.
My gps works perfect. Google maps finds it instantly and waze and speedometer apps work fine too. Localization is spot on. The gps even connects when I'm inside the house wich my Diamond never did.
I tested Navigon, which can be download from Market for a tryal period of 30 days now, and it working great on my Samsung i9000
it may be a firmware issue , everyone who is having problems should post the sw. version for comparision with others
Comparison of Galaxy GPS and iPhone 3G gps.
Hey everyone,
There's been some discussion regarding the "quality" of the GPS function in the Galaxy S, and after testing it out today, I sure hope it's a software bug or I'm going to be very disappointed.
This is my run as recorded by my iPhone 3G (with Fitnio): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/810054/samsung_fail/Picture%203.png
Now this is the same run as recorded by my Galaxy S (with RunKeeper): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/810054/samsung_fail/Picture%202.png
Take a wild guess which one actually reflects reality. Can anyone shed light on if the new "leaked" firmware fixes these problems?
They're all based on standard chipsets so its unlikely there's anything wrong with the GPS receiver itself. I hope it gets updated soon as it seems to be affecting a fair number of people.
I am wondering about how the GPS performs on the Tegra Note 7 in comparison to Nexus 7 (2013). I read on occasions that people were unhappy about how long it takes for the Tegra Note 7 to obtain a fix and that it more often loses position. Is this an issue that has been resolved in the meantime ? If so, do you have to update the ROM to get it to work well?
Reason why I'm asking is that I'm a pilot and I would like to use it to display maps. I hear the Nexus7 has excellent GPS performenace and does a great job in the cockpit because its brightest screen among all tablets but I'm really into that stylus function and so I was hoping the Tegra Note 7 could compete...
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I am wondering about how the GPS performs on the Tegra Note 7 in comparison to Nexus 7 (2013). I read on occasions that people were unhappy about how long it takes for the Tegra Note 7 to obtain a fix and that it more often loses position. Is this an issue that has been resolved in the meantime ? If so, do you have to update the ROM to get it to work well?
Reason why I'm asking is that I'm a pilot and I would like to use it to display maps. I hear the Nexus7 has excellent GPS performenace and does a great job in the cockpit because its brightest screen among all tablets but I'm really into that stylus function and so I was hoping the Tegra Note 7 could compete...
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While I have never used a Nexus, the GPS on the note is horrible. I literally have never gotten google maps to find me. I have had 3rd party apps like gpstest and similar to work, but I am not kidding when I say it takes 10 minutes out in the wide open to work. As of right now, there are no roms or updates to the tablet that improve the GPS. Some people's work ok, but I think the majority of the people are not happy with their gps.
Side by side with my old Evo3d, the phone takes literally about 3 seconds to find me, the tablet takes 10 minutes if at all.
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While I have never used a Nexus, the GPS on the note is horrible. I literally have never gotten google maps to find me. I have had 3rd party apps like gpstest and similar to work, but I am not kidding when I say it takes 10 minutes out in the wide open to work. As of right now, there are no roms or updates to the tablet that improve the GPS. Some people's work ok, but I think the majority of the people are not happy with their gps.
Side by side with my old Evo3d, the phone takes literally about 3 seconds to find me, the tablet takes 10 minutes if at all.
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Thanks a lot, that's a very convincing reason not to consider the Tegra Note an option for GPS related applications.
No problem. after I posted that I did spend about 3 hours playing around with it. I did get gps to work better, but still not anywhere near where it should be.
I have found it gets a signal very quickly even inside.
Did you go into settings>location and enable high accuracy?
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I have found it gets a signal very quickly even inside.
Did you go into settings>location and enable high accuracy?
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Yup, it is on high accuracy. I did just download a hacked, older version of maps that does actually work, but it still takes about 3 minutes to lock on. But at least it does find lock, unlike the newest version of maps.
It is more the principal of it then anything. I doubt I will ever pull the tablet out to use gps on it since my phone works well with the Igo app and my vehicle has built in gps too, so it isn't the end of the world, but it is still annoying.
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Gps problem on Tegra Note 7
I bought this tablet primarily to use for gps mapping and also have problem. If the tablet is turned on and a mapping app is opened before the screen display is allowed to shut down it finds the location quite quickly unless it is a long distance from its previous location when it can take a good few minutes, maybe 10 to find its location. I think the latter is not uncommon in gps devices. My Garmin is similar.
Once it has started tracking it will keep a gps fix for about an hour before losing it provided the screen display is kept on . If the screen display is shut down by timing out or by closing the dedicated case/ cover the ONLY way I have found to restore a gps fix is to shut down the tab, re-boot and start the app up again before the screen display shuts down, which is quite irritating.
My presumption is that GPS and screen display are linked somewhere in the system but whether this is hardware or software I have no idea.