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Anyone else notice that the edges of the screen on the cmda diamond, cdma pro, and the HD seem to be MUCH less responsive than the screens of previous devices?
I "miss" the exit and start menu buttons pretty often and its pretty annoying lol.
Also the notification/title bar area plus other buttons along the bottom and side.
The rest of the screen is more responsive certainly than say the vogue, mogul, diamond or tp. But its the edges of this and the last 2 mentioned devices that get me..
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
pozytywny said:
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
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You mean the edges or the whole thing? The main part I feel is more responsive...
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
kosta0955 said:
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
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Hey thanks a lot. Thought the same thing myself.
Re-calibrated as accurately as I possibly could.
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
Sort of fix: I found that if you hold your press just a little longer it registers (much better) though I'm not quite convinced that it's still normal nor complete.
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Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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Hmm...I wonder if I should try to get it replaced under warranty.
I would want to, but I have noticed the same problem in a sprint diamond in the store, a sprint touch pro in a store, and a friends sprint touch pro.
What do you (guys) think? Replacement? It could get really annoying...not being able to close out of things. Right now since its new and awesome and stuff I'm kind of trying to ignore it or whatever but...hmm idk.
The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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Hey thanks for your informative opinion.
This theory seems to fit, except it doesn't quite explain nor fit with these 2 things:
1. I can apply a pretty decent amount of pressure in the corner with no results whatsoever. But I can get full results if I apply less pressure for about .5-1 second rather than just tapping.
2. I have never seen any evidence of this on any other resistive touch devices (vogue, titan).
Why in the world do these resistive touch screens have to suck so bad anyway? The HD is the best I've seen lately, but does HTC just suck at it, or is it everyone (haven't owned a non-htc ts device for a yr or so, and that was a treo where I didn't really notice sensitivity).
My dad has a 3+ yr old Dell Axim X5 and that screen is AMAZINGLY sensitive. Responds to stylus and is too old to be capacitive. But it is literally 100% as responsive / sensitive as the screen of the iPhone. When I used it I couldn't believe it. You had to be VERY delicate and careful and trying hard to touch that screen and not have it know.
I have been trying to find a Leo to test the touch sensitivity. I currently own the touch HD (for a year now), and although I love it, I must say that the iphone is clearly a lot more responsive to the touch than my hd.
The iphone responds right away to the slightest touch and the movement is so fluid.
How fluid is - for example - cover flow flicking through albums in the Leo landscape player?
If we say the iphone touch-response is a 10 on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate the Leo just in that respect?
OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.
Way to bias the question from the start, enforcing top possible marks for the iPhone.
Also, try reading the forum. Do you really think that this hasn't already been discussed? Multiple times?
The touch response is amazing. End of.
Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.
erosennin said:
Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.
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What phone did you use previously?
as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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This.
Capacitive was always going to be weird to get used to for people who had never used an iPhone. Imagine how iPhone users felt the first time they used their phones.
Now you never hear people complaining that it is too sensitive. It will take some getting to, but damn, it's worth it!
Capacitive vs resistive
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as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.
Xaddict said:
You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.
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I couldn't agree more. Now I'm used to my HD2, I can quite literally type as fast as I do on a real keyboard......it's awesome. I went back to my omnia for a couple of mins for comparison....and oh my oh my, woefully inadequate.
Viva la winmo capacitive screen
i have owned both and the HD2 is more sensitive. Maybe even too sensitive
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What phone did you use previously?
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I owned the SEX1, but there's no way i'm going back.
HD2 is as sensitive as the 3GS. Though I am more accurate on the 3GS than I am on the HD2 (better key placement, size of device and proportionately wider keys helps on this one).
I think once we get used to the screen it will all calm down. Most of us are just used to resistive screens.
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OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.
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WOW - thank you for the detailed info. Yes, I understood everything you wrote.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to answering my question. Like I said, I have not been able to get my hands on the Leo here in Germany, so until now, I have only been able to compare the HD with the iPhone and, well the difference is obvious (and to be expected). I have been considering selling my HD and getting the HD2. And if its capacitive screen shows no difference to that of the iPhone, then I know I'll love it.
I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot
docchris1980 said:
I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot
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Great to hear the HD2 is a 12 (if the iphone is a 10). I would prefer "too sensitive" over "not sensitive enough". I'm seriously considering getting rid of my HD and getting a Leo. I'm just checking on prices and maybe I'll wait a bit for the price to drop (maybe after the holidays).
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!
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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
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Bingo. The OS does not support more than one cursor position, so the only way HTC can shoehorn such things into the device is with driver trickery sending zoom commands to supplied apps that support it, and however they've done the virtual screen "digital zoom" in other apps. Until WM7 this is as good as it gets.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!
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Exactly the same here! And my god isn't that screen small!
Touch sensitiivity on the HD2 is fine.
Hi there,
Can u use your fingertip to navigate on your Touch (like on the iPhone, HD2...)?
Or does your Touch only response to your fingernail like mine?
Yes, unfortunatly the HTC Elf as a low sensibility screen (i now have a HTC HD and even thou it doesn´t have a capacitative screen like iphone and HD2 it is much more sensitive than my previous HTC elf)
You can use some tweaks on advanced config tool to raise screen sensibility, but do not expect miracles
i have applied the de-sensitive cab but when i use my finger to press down and drag selections, i can never be precise .. the screen starts to "shiver" around like Jack from the Titanic ...
hmmm is there any tweak to reduce this?
BTW, do i need to align the screen regularly?
thanks!!!
appreciate any help on this
I too have the same problem. I have read the other exhaustive thread on screen problems but couldn't come to a conclusion. Is this a software issue or hardware fault?
Do you mean the built in tactile feedback vibration where the screen buzzes to let you know it's been touched?
Settings/Personalise/Vibration/and then uncheck the box
Try the screen sensitivity reducing tips, or better still use BSBtweaks, it has a toggle to reduce sensitivity that works.
also, i found being too gentle with my fingertip makes it juddery. a firm press with the pad of teh finger works better for me than the tip.
I align my screen after any hard reset / rom flash.
i had this issue too, it appeared suddenly a few days after i upgraded the radio on my previous rom. with the current combination everything is in place now.
I would say it is a hardware fault. My first HD2 was perfect with no screen sensitivity issues. Unfortunately, it was accidentally damagaed and I had to replace it. The replacement unit did suffer from the sensitivity issue and although the sensitivity fix improved things substancially, it it still wasn't anywhere near as good as my original unit. So it went back to the store and they game me a replacement which I am happy to say doesn't have the sensitivity issue and is a joy to use again.
The new unit does however have an uneven backlight but I'll probably live with that as it's the lesser of two evils!
omg why cant they built it right one time!
Are you guys using a screen protector?
I used to have perfect screen behaviour. Recently, I saw the multitude of cheap 3 for $x screen protectors, and tested about 8 different brands.
Some were pure crap, didn't prevent fingerprints or oil...
The mirror ones and some clear ones killed sensitivity!!! Made my touches jump all over, my presses inaccurate.
Some matt screen protectors were too thin and were absolutely useless (and easy to scratch).
Only a few were good enough not to cause a problem.
Can only suggest you try remove the screen protector if you encounter the same issue.
Cheers
Unfortunately this is a known problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
Getting the device changed has helped to reduce this in some cases.
leobox1 said:
i have applied the de-sensitive cab but when i use my finger to press down and drag selections, i can never be precise .. the screen starts to "shiver" around like Jack from the Titanic ...
hmmm is there any tweak to reduce this?
BTW, do i need to align the screen regularly?
thanks!!!
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i was trying out the iphone, i noticed
iphone screen is matte.. no stickiness if sweat and swipe is smooth..
hd2 glossy if you sweat, you get friction... swipe depends on friction
if i were to put a matte screen protector, maybe it helps? anyone knows about this?
IPhone 3gs and HTC Hero both have an oleophobic coated screen which greatly reduces fingerprints and smudges. HD2 does not. Don't know why HTC don't use this tech on all of their capacitve screens.
ok i used a matte screen protector... result = smoother flicks and less finger prints.. but shivers is MORE...
hmmm what is wrong with our screen? * i tried iphone... NO ERRORS in typing..
could it be our software compensation for errors is screwed? u know as in the software is predicting the center of the finger wrongly
leobox1 said:
ok i used a matte screen protector... result = smoother flicks and less finger prints.. but shivers is MORE...
hmmm what is wrong with our screen? * i tried iphone... NO ERRORS in typing..
could it be our software compensation for errors is screwed? u know as in the software is predicting the center of the finger wrongly
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all people i know has this issue i think it is software htc is not a fool company to release all devices defected
and i wonder why they take so long to fix it..
Recently I found that the Legend sometimes behaves a little strange... sometimes I need to to push the display quite hard, not only to touch it slightly. And I found that this happens when the phone is left on a table and I am touching only the display( not the aluminium body). If the phone is held in hand or placed in the charger has no problems ... Here is a video:
(I still can`t post any links so please search youtube for exactly "HTC Legend touch problem" video posted from ggrozdanov5 to see it)
Is your Legend behave like mine do?
First of all stop pressing you display hard,that wont help anything. The legend touch interface works based on electrical current differences between your body and the screen.
It is most likely a grounding issue and is not an uncommon problem among touch screen phones. Try touching part of the metal body at the same time you touch the screen.
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sometimes I need to to push the display quite hard, not only to touch it slightly.
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instead of pressing hard try to make just more contact to the screen
for ex. lay your hand palm on the screen (softly)
you screen is made from glass and will brake if you press to hard !
Guys, I appreciate the advices, but please don`t pay that much attention to the word "hard". If you had watched the video you would see what I`m talking about. I know exactly how to make my phone work correctly - just to hold it in hand, or touch it with a finger anywhere on the aluminium body. I wonder is this a problem for every HTC Legend, is it a problem just for a few devices, is this normal behaviour for an HTC Legend... and so on...
I don't get such behaviour
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The legend touch interface works based on electrical current differences between your body and the screen.
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Not entirely true...As most devices have PCT (Projective Capacitive Touchscreen), this issue would not happen on them.
But I think the legend designers wanted to make legend cheaper, so they gave legend the SCT (Surface CT). Given that Legend body is anodized aluminum which held in palm has a low impedance, it is sufficient...but in cases like this it might not work so good...
I have this issue in bed when the phone is on the sheet or so, but most materials transtalte capacity changes pretty well, so it's not so annoying...