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Time to leave???

I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more

But the BB Storm has no wifi, no flash support, no tabbed browsing. Those are deal breakers right there....and also only 192MB of RAM, nuff said.

dearls said:
I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new storm has so much to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.

maskedlion said:
Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.
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Applesauce. Nice!
Feel free to try it out.

and you cannot sync email. Like with an exchange server. They only go via blackberry. I would also recomend against it. Go with the HTC Touch Pro/Diamond. Or something else like that. Or iPhone with AT&T. Blackberry is only if your work requires it.

I do tell all of my frinds that are less technically skilled that they are probably better of with a BB.
That way I can continue to dazzle them.

dearls said:
I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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you have a bad phone obviously, or having user-specific issue, and going to giv eup on windows mobile? lol....my 6800 works flawlessly everyday, with data and calls. I have everything I could possibly want on a 4gb card, I run my multi-messenger client (agile) all day pretty much, constatly IMing people, even while I am driving (probably not safe, but still cool), am able to browse the net, play games, I get a GPS fix with TomTom 7 in 30 seconds or less, etc...I mean the only thing my 6800 doesn't do, is wash my clothes for me, lol. Plus, it runs fast, and no memory problems.
Plus, all your email has to go through a blackberry email, so everything is relayed, and not truly using your email server...Blackberry server basically have a copy of every single email communication u make now...not only is that unsecure, but totally worthless...my 6800 on Windows Mobile connected DIRECTLY to my mail server, no intermediary email account neccesary.

Technically ignorant
I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.

Sweeny Russ said:
I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.
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Yeah, I was shaking my head for weeks when the iPhone was first announced. People were like "Wow, look at all the new features Apple invented." the first few times I showed them my WM phone, and they were like...That's old, the iPhone is all new! I said "Yeah the case is now and interface, but not the technology" They would say "Yeah, but you can make calls, browse the net, text and use GPS all from the same device" - to which I responded "I can do all those things, plus I don't have to pay for GPS, and I have Word, Excel, unlimited email, IR beam, internet sharing, ettc etc...."
Yeah, u just can't convince them. They have blinders on thinking Apple saved the world, when all it did was put old technology into a shinny wrapper.
People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.

crobs808 said:
People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.
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I was thinking flies and a cow field.
But seriously, I found that I can do a huge amount of work on my WinMo phone. But some of it falls outside the built in functions, and there are few people that I know that I would even think about trying to get to do the non-standard setup. But on the other hand, I like the large amoutn of customization.
I mean, on my desktop today screen, I have the temperature AT MY HOUSE from my personal weather station and a constantly updated webcam picture of my driveway. I know how to do that on WinMo, but anything else? And more then once I have shared my connection using WMWiFiRouter. A lot of people couldn't set that up.

The HD is a piece of garbage?

so we have to buy coreplayer, and gsen. I plugged my HD into my dutch language computer that runs Vista. No response. I don't know what else to say it doesn't even play nice with windows. I am not an advanced user and if anybody wants to buy oneI then a sale can be made $500 is what I am asking. This phone for all purposes is a hunk of junk.

Then get an iPhone and have fun with a phone that can't connect to any computer, has lots of expensive applications and little freeware, doesn't even have any software like gsen....
Sorry but WHY THE *BEEP* DON'T YOU INFORM YOURSELF BEFORE MAKING A POST LIKE THIS?
1. The phone connects nicely to any Vista PC, you probably did something wrong. Get an Update of Windows Mobile Device Center.
2. GSen is freeware, and so is Gyrator 2.
3. No one forces you to buy Coreplayer. Windows Media Player and lots of other freeware players also play videos.

Troubleshoot sync connection problem (Taken from page 109 of user manual)
In some cases, when the computer connects to the Internet or a local network, it may disconnect the connection with your device in favor of the Internet or network connection.
If this happens, tap Start > Settings > Connections tab > USB to PC, then clear the Enable advanced network functionality check box. This makes your computer utilize a serial USB connection with your device.
... never mind. Does this solve your problem?
Note that if your intention is to be able to copy big files quickly, then you shoud tick the diskdrive option instead of activesync option.

ryaninuk said:
so we have to buy coreplayer, and gsen. I plugged my HD into my dutch language computer that runs Vista. No response. I don't know what else to say it doesn't even play nice with windows. I am not an advanced user and if anybody wants to buy oneI then a sale can be made $500 is what I am asking. This phone for all purposes is a hunk of junk.
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since it is so bad I will give ya $375 today!!! deal? PM me if youre interested

Probably just needs to do the Windows update thing you have to do the first time you plug a WinMo phone into a Vista computer, usually it pops up when you plug the phone in but sometimes it doesn't.

I'll give you $380 for it if it's in perfect condition

Hey, can I buy it for $400? Since then I can sell it to some of my iPhone toting friends who have been waiting patiently to buy it, after having been especially impressed to see how well and easy my HD instantly connected with my vista PC(s) to synch contacts, upload any file I want like a video that plays perfectly on my HD without even having to touch iSuckingTunes...
But back on topic, $400 is enough for ya?
Sorry to be a bit sarcastic (the above IS NOT EXAGGERATED btw), but your thread title could be a little more constructive than damning the whole phone to hell over a synching issue...

but yeah PM me if you want to sell this HORRIBLE piece of **** phone to me for $400... I would not want to see anyone be so dissapointed with their phone so I will sacrifice myself and give you money for it

@maati - sorry but you are not right - the iphone is a great device
Hello
I think your opinion about the iPhone is very unfair and not very true.
I own a iPhone as my PRIMARY Device (mobile)
It works in all situation smoother and better than alle the HTC devices.
Sorry !
Iown also own a SE XPERIA X1 and the new Touch HD and these are fine hardware devices but WinMo is not as clean as the iPhone OS.
Also WinMo is very long on the markes the iPhone software is better and more stable.
You should not write such Things without Knowledge or Examples.
Both systems have their good parts.
WinMo runs best and syncs best with Windows
iPhone certainly runs smoother with Mac OS, but iTunes is great on Win, too
WinMo is better in Exchange Systems
WinMo is slow because of the wrong Multitasking - the systems MUST run always stable and therefore application MUST be regeind by the OS.
WinMo runs not as smooth and the GUI is terrible.
HTC and SE made a great job on putting software over the OS,
BUT they do not improve their systems and offer legal updates.
You always must buy new Devices to get the latest version.
Apple offers complete improved OS Version nearly every 3 Month and those improvement are very noticle.

Personally I'm fed up reading people whinging about the HD. If you don't like it, sell it and go away.
I love the HD. Its not perfect, I agree. The iphone isn't either.
But I think its the best windows mobile phone so far.
If you want to wait til the perfect phone comes out, good luck waiting!
I come to this forum for helpful, constructive info and discussion...STOP THE WHINGING!!

69reichertm said:
Hello
I think your opinion about the iPhone is very unfair and not very true.
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How is it untrue?
You CANT connect the iPhone to any or multple computers to either transfer files/folder management or tether to a laptop as a modem.
In fact you cant do a damn thing with the iphone unless itunes is installed.

Hey guys,
If this is to become another iPhone versus HD discussion, please proceed to this thread, but please read everything before you start.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443900
Thank you.

I make you an offer you cannot refuse.
I am ready to swap my HTC P3300 with a 2GB microSD for your HD.
My P3300 is fully working with Vista.
Come on, this is a once-in-a-lifetime bargain .

my rant
It’s so funny to me how people defend it like it’s a person! If you like something buy it, if not don’t.
I have owned three iphone 3G’s Three! In two months. I feel that the iphone is still in beta!
It freezes up and seems slow. The biggest problem I had is its touted as the best media device on the market. However it has no stereo Bluetooth no VGA screen substandard battery life and very poor call quality! I purchased four iphones for my family.
My wife used hers for a week and didn’t like it and my daughter used her for two weeks and went back to her blackberry.
My son still has his however I have to take him back to apple to get another, after his last update it has been having nothing but problems. I think as an iPod its fantastic. I will look at the next gen iphone when it comes out. Maybe they will fix the camera on the next one. I think the fisher price kiddy camera shoots a better picture! Oh I was going to include a link to a cool iphone web site for iphone owners to look at, but its pretty long and the iphone has no copy and paste! Oh I almost forgot, the new iphone also comes with a packet of grape Kool-Aid! When I get a chance, ill MMS you a quick video clip showing the proper way to make Kool-Aid! Oh **** I forgot, iphone cant record video or send an MMS. I pick my HD at 11am today should be a nice change. Got mine on eBay!

This thread is heading nowhere!
...and please, not another iPhone related thread!

Are you jumping ship...iphone 3.0 comes out

3.0 looks to be fantastic! And with hopefully a new iphone also released i think the HD will be history. what do you guys think, are will you be tempted? Will you jump ship?

The iPhone will always be bought by fashion retards, no matter how you look at it. People who see something on TV, and go buy.
It is under powered and under featured.
The features of 3.0 might be the same as some of the lower end WinMo devices, but WinMo still has the edge with the freedom it offers.
If you want to jump ship, go ahead.

I think iphone is not the same as WM.
As a physician, I prefer using WM as it suits my daily usage most.
Programs for medical usage UPTODATE, Skyscape, Adobe reader, isilo reader, Powerpoint and word. They are essential for me in daily usage.
Besides I can use it for daily entertainment e.g. coreplayer, browser.
The only good thing of iphone may be multi free downloads for iphone.
If you like Iphone, you can jump to it.
It is just like Microsoft window and Mac apple.

I think the original poster is trying to wind us up
Pretty **** wind-up too if you ask me
The iPhone is, and always will be, locked to do exactly what Apple LET you do
The Touch HD is virtually limitless in its functionality

I jumped from an iPhone to the HD. Had the iPhone for 3 weeks and couldn't stand it. OS 3.0 may have answered some of the things that should have been there in the first place but as a business tool MW is still league ahead. Also don't believe when someone told you they used iPhone because iPhone don't crash. Mine crashed 3 times in 3 weeks...

veej said:
I jumped from an iPhone to the HD. Had the iPhone for 3 weeks and couldn't stand it. OS 3.0 may have answered some of the things that should have been there in the first place but as a business tool MW is still league ahead. Also don't believe when someone told you they used iPhone because iPhone don't crash. Mine crashed 3 times in 3 weeks...
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Must have had a faulty device. My younger brother has one and it works like clockwork.
Credit where it's due, it's interface is second to none. Then again that's the way Apple operate; pretty on the outside, limited on the inside, and overpriced in general

The ONLY 2 things that Iphone wins over HD:
1. Touchscreen sensitivity (Glides effortlessly).
2. Multi-touch screen (sadly HD cannot multi-touch).
Other than that, HD is a true GIANT...

Why would I want to jump ship to an inferior device where I cannot change the OS to my preferences?
Yes I can glide effortlessly handsfree and be able to download countless apps......but wait a min, I can do this with the HD with a bit of tweaking!
........and its the countless tweaking, flashing, downloading etc that I enjoy.....its like an addiction!!
Plus this community is second to none. If I have a problem, all I need to do is search this form (always search 1st! ) or ask a question and I instantly have my solution!
Why would I swap this???????

sophian84 said:
The ONLY 2 things that Iphone wins over HD:
1. Touchscreen sensitivity (Glides effortlessly).
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Yeah but iPhone cannot do accurate stuff that would normally be used with the stylus.
The HD screen can do both finger and stylus whereas the iPhone can only do the latter, which means more opportunities for developers for WinMO.

genesicgaogaiga said:
I think iphone is not the same as WM.
As a physician, I prefer using WM as it suits my daily usage most.
Programs for medical usage UPTODATE, Skyscape, Adobe reader, isilo reader, Powerpoint and word. They are essential for me in daily usage.
Besides I can use it for daily entertainment e.g. coreplayer, browser.
The only good thing of iphone may be multi free downloads for iphone.
If you like Iphone, you can jump to it.
It is just like Microsoft window and Mac apple.
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Not trying to convince you of anything, but just like you to know that skyscape is available on iPhone offering up-to-date drug information, journal summaries, clinical trial results and other clinically relevant information relesed on a continual basis. The information is tailored based on your specialty, whether it is Pediatrics, Cardiology, Infectious Disease, etc. It is also a medical calculator and decision making resource invluding over 200 interactive tools orgnanised by specialty. It contains evidence-based information on hundreds of disease and symptoms topics in outline format. Also,has drug information for thousands of brands and generic drugs, including over 400 intergrated drug dosing calculators.
AND IT IS FREE.
You can have iSilo reader, Adobe reader, and reader for powerpoint and word documents on iPhone.
Entertainment you said? Not sure if iPhone has any. May be you can find out for me

The smart guys will keep an open mind and yes, when OS 3.0 fills in those niggling feature gaps, and developers working with the new SDK deliver those last remaining killer apps (TomTom, Docs2go etc), I think plenty of them will jump ship.
The rest will carry on kidding themselves that the older, slower, bloatier WM is more "powerful" and that the ability to endlessly swap one unsatisfactory ROM for another gives them "freedom".

for me the answer is a no.
However having used both devices i can see the benefits of OS 3.0 but still prefer WM to the iphone OS. (mostly because i am a windows whore but hey...)
I find it easier to use WM now we have touchFLO but even before i was using this i still liked how i could use WM more in everyday life compared to the iphone which came out years after my first WM device.
The release of OS 3.0 will deff see a few WM people moving away from it but me i am MS stamped for life

well i have HD , and i have friends with iPhone .
for me the answer is no , because of the money , which i will probably have problems to sell my HD and no power to buy iPhone .
other then that , since i like the way iPhone works , and i dont see benefit in burning ROMs of WM , since i dont like it .
but i think if we will have android in the HD , i will not move . hehe
i like the speed , and i like games , so thats why i like the iPhone .
and in WM , i cant see the same things , and i dont see games running as good as it should , which cause me to thinks ....

JasjarMan said:
3.0 looks to be fantastic! And with hopefully a new iphone also released i think the HD will be history. what do you guys think, are will you be tempted? Will you jump ship?
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OMG ITS TR00 ITS PHUNTASTIC, APPLE INVENTED THAT NEW GADGET, FIRST YOU COPY THEN YOU PASTEZOR
srsly dude, iphone, fantastic? dont use those two words on the same sentence, oh and btw, they are using some new tech, MMS or something, so phunny

Boinng said:
The smart guys will keep an open mind and yes, when OS 3.0 fills in those niggling feature gaps, and developers working with the new SDK deliver those last remaining killer apps (TomTom, Docs2go etc), I think plenty of them will jump ship.
The rest will carry on kidding themselves that the older, slower, bloatier WM is more "powerful" and that the ability to endlessly swap one unsatisfactory ROM for another gives them "freedom".
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I think you should stop kidding yourself, all you do is boast how your under performing and under features phone is.
So stay in that delusion, your like those Mormons that knock on your door and try to spread fallacy and bull****.

So you are comparing the HD to the iphone.. wait a minute .. ARE You serious?!? You gotta be kidding me! There is not way iphone would stand a chance

genesicgaogaiga said:
I think iphone is not the same as WM.
As a physician, I prefer using WM as it suits my daily usage most.
Programs for medical usage UPTODATE, Skyscape, Adobe reader, isilo reader, Powerpoint and word. They are essential for me in daily usage.
Besides I can use it for daily entertainment e.g. coreplayer, browser.
The only good thing of iphone may be multi free downloads for iphone.
If you like Iphone, you can jump to it.
It is just like Microsoft window and Mac apple.
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I certainly agree with you. I can't stand the iPhone. I used it before but compare to WM the iPhone is not user friendly to me. no matter what apple put on their next iPhone I don't care. I will stick with my WM

Psygnosis84 said:
I think you should stop kidding yourself, all you do is boast how your under performing and under features phone is.
So stay in that delusion, your like those Mormons that knock on your door and try to spread fallacy and bull****.
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Yeah. I did say "smart guys".

This thread is fast becoming pointless!
There is already a thread comparing the HTC Touch HD or Iphone
Why do we need another thread on this? Why even talk about the iphone?

Fallen Spartan said:
Why even talk about the iphone?
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Because it's the elephant in this particular room. The biggest threat to WM generally, the phone that the HD was clearly designed to emulate and compete with in form and function, and the very phone that a surprising number of members here admit to having switched to or from or at least tried during their time with the HD.
Surely the real question is why not talk about it, at least in relation to the HD? What's the problem there?

Best Alternative to iPhone? Suggestions welcome..

Hi All,
I gave up my Dopod 818 Pro to get an iPhone. But was not happy about the voice dialing, restrictive software etc...etc.. anyways, got rid of the iPhone and looking to buy another HTC product with more friendly Windows product - should I go for Touch HD? How is the call quality? I have been reading in the reviews that the call quality is poor - any cooked ROM or app to increase the call quality? Any other alternatives?
I kind of like the bigger screen face (3.8"), I like to have good call quality and easy to access features? I like the Microsoft Calendar etc, Voice Tagging and voice dialing, file explorer and be able to see what exactly is stored in the phone and not just a black box. I like to press my bluetooth headset and tell it "Call Home" and let it dial rather than fumbling around with the phone when driving. Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
Brenda

Have you tried a JAILBROKEN iPhone? I have not researched much into Bluetooth voice dialing yet myself. Have you tried to find out if firmware 3.0 offers what you need?
Anyway, if I'm you I would try to be more thorough in listing my requirements before looking for the new phone. There are a lot of other considerations I'm sure beyond Bluetooth voice dialing.

Hi Steve
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda
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If bluetooth voice dialing is high up on your list, and you do not seem to have lots of functional requirements here, I think most of the HTC phones will meet your needs, including HD. But, you know the usual window mobile problems I guess. I would also take a look at HTC Magic and Nokia if your requirements are only those. Current iPhone is weak in bluetooth. Not sure about in firmware 3.0 despite all the speculation.
HTC Magic actually caught my attention and I really want to play with it. I got the impression that it also has multitouch screen like iPhone's. I hope it is as fast, stable, and smooth as iPhone. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to find a Telco shop in Sydney that has a demo unit (most just have a dummy). If anyone knows how I explore this alternative phone in Sydney please let me know.

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi All,
Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
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What is Iphone?
You are in the right thread already...so get yourself a Blackstone

HTC lova said:
...get yourself a Blackstone
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Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least? If nothing else, you get newer ROM that can zoom properly, and not like cooked ROMs ported to HD that can't do proper zooming due to hardware differences.
Or even TG01, with the much more powerful processor?
Or HTC Magic, with it's iPhone like touch screen?

eaglesteve said:
Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least?
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Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone

HTC lova said:
Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone
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I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.

eaglesteve said:
I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.
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I totally agree mate. Brenda asked for suggestions and I stated mine (which is the Blackstone)

I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2

Does Touch Diamond2 come with voice dialing?
Hi Steve and HTC Lova,
I seriously looked in to Diamond2 especially the call quality was rated high - but I then I read some review that it does not support voice dialing. If that's the case then I have to rule it out unless there is a voice cab that can be easily loaded and activated.
Is the Touch Pro2 kind of heavy - 178 gm compared to Diamond2's 117 gm or Touch HD's 146 gm?
I am not sure about the HTC Magic - android - especially if I have to pay for firmware..
Will wait to hear from you guys on the Diamond2 voice dial cab.
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda,
You can always install microsoft voice command by yourself.

Good to know....
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda
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I have tried both cyberon voice commander and microsoft voice command. None works for me because I can't speak with American or British accent I guess. It is so inaccurate and frustrating that I gave up quickly years ago. I always prefer speed dial button style of calling. When I flash cooked ROMs, I always choose the version that does not do voice dial.

just got $100 ticket for having iPhone in the hand...
Steve,
I just got a $100 ticket for picking up the iPhone, that made my decision to get rid of that... I had pretty good connection between the dopod 818 and the headset, but gave away the dopod to a friend...regret that...
I am going to look in to Diamond2 more and make the decision soon - seems light enough, as long as i can read occasional yahoo mail and send my son sms, it will be good.. I liked the iPhone's big screen and quick response but the non-windows application drove me nuts...
I did take a look at TG01...not sure where to get it and more importantly the price..looks like it may be exorbidant.
Thanks for the inputs..
Brenda

Brenda,
Another iPhone alternative that caught my eye is Palm Pre. The user interface is also fantastic, very similar to iPhone in some ways. Here are some video demo
http://gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours
This is Palm's version of WM7, so is definitely worth taking a close look.
Has an incredible browser that should be a good match for Safari. See here:
http://palmgoon.com/meet-the-web-browser-on-the-pre/
Apparently, the palm pre browser handles flash!
I have not gone deep enough into it and researched enough to say if if it good or not. Just as a potential candidate for evaluation I think it qualifies. In case I'm starting to sound like a Palm fanboy, I assure everyone that I'm still a winmo and iPhone fanboy in and out
Hack, when you got a chance to buy a new phone, with so many new candidates on the market, why not keep our mind completely open once again? The bar has been lifted higher and higher each year. Why choose a device based on very low expectation and standard?
The most important area to research IMO is what sorts of third party software could be found and their quality. If it has an apple store equivalent, then I think it would be extremely attractive. If anyone here can speed up our learning process in this area I'd greatly appreciate it. I like to know if I can run the like of TomTom, iGO, etc on Palm Pre, or if it has a credible GPS software of its own. I also have lots of other questions like if an MS Offfice compatible spreadsheet exist, any good Golf Score/Handicapping software, quality of video capture and playing software, quality of camera, ease of downloading movies/MP3 etc, likes of eWallet type software, likes of Cash Organiser Premium type software, etc etc. I'm also interesting in seeing the "file structure"/file coying/file moving/file renaming features. I want to make sure that it is not just a phone, but a computer. Can someone help?
I could'nt find definite anwer to your question on whether it can do voice dialing over bluetooth, but here is a thread that you can follow:
http://forum.treonauts.com/palm-sma...l-pre-allow-voice-dialing-over-bluetooth.html
Cheers.

galaxys said:
I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2
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If you don't need a bigger screen, the Touch Diamond2 is a great phone. If you need a bigger screen like the HD, then the upcoming Firestone might be worth waiting for http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_2009_roadmap_gets_updated_now_weve_got_the_specs-news-821.php
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.

Matterhorn said:
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.
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Definately the Firestone is on my list for an upgrade when it shows up in Oct. or Nov.! But, I'll be playing with the TP2 w/ 3G on t-mobile USA!!

I'm curious to see what the battery life is going to be like on the Toshiba Tg01, i'm a little disenfranchised with HTC's incremental (if that much) upgrades.
The Tg01 seems much snappier and seems to have really good graphics performance, which is more than we can say for the last couple HTC iterations.
The only thing remaining for me to find out, is the battery life, and if there is any hope for a US operator to take it up...OR...another market that uses US 3g bands.

hmm. i dont know about rushing for firestone. i think hd will be great phone for long time. it has got nice hardware and maybe it will run android or wm7.

So long Leo

If you are the kind of person who gets emotionally attached to the gadgets you buy, please stop reading this post.
I'm not trying to start an inflamed discussion about which is the best device or manufacturer.
I’m not an Apple fan, in fact, I hate being “Apple locked” and that’s one of the main reasons I’ve bought the Leo after owning an Eten x500, a Kaiser, a Blackstone and finally, an iPhone 3GS.
I could go over and over describing the differences and the pros and cons of each device but I won’t. I’ll just try to tell you guys a few things we don’t have to accept.
We don’t have to accept …
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
a Gigahert processor which can’t smoothly scroll a web page. I know it’s probably due to bad Opera coding but… have you ever scrolled an iPhone Safari?
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
I could go on but there is something I realized that made me feel really hopeless (yes, I would really like to like a Windows phone). While HTC (and other manufacturers) keeps on launching device after device in a short time frame and thus creating new bugs and issues to deal with, Apple keeps on improving its one and only iPhone OS, for its one iPhone device (ok, different versions but very similar) which keeps getting better and better.
While iPhone developers have to deal with interface and compatibility issues for 3 very similar devices, a Windows Mobile developer has to deal with hundreds of them, some very poorly designed and a few very good (like Leo) but in the end, there is no way to develop a very good app for so many devices without a huge effort (and cost). Also, developing an App exclusively for one Windows phone wouldn’t be cost effective as a single model doesn’t represent a large enough consumer market.
Apple, with the iPhone, didn’t create a device as we are used to. Instead, they created a product with a long roadmap, mature SDK, sufficient market share, providing the necessary ecosystem for developers all around the world to make it even better.
It won’t be possible for any manufacturer, using any OS, to compete with such a mature product if they don’t realize it’s not a device we need. It’s a product.
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)

fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.

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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...

fmcastro said:
Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
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Some bugs are bearable.. I had too many with all my previous XDA/HTC phones. But for such basic bugs to be found, the device primary tasks ( phone calls / SMS ) should never be affected because it makes the device useless...

fmcastro said:
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
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Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?

aussiebum said:
Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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Humm... not exactly. Most people here at XDA were trying to switch from an oficial ROM to another. That said, we're talking about official languages. I was trying to flash a WWE ROM on a french device for example. The HTC excuse for this terrible language mess is, of course, microsoft: "Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions put in place by Microsoft, it is not legally possible for us the change the language of a device once it has been loaded" - Quoted from an HTC support email I received.
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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Do you realise it shouldn't matter whose fault it is? It's a faulty device sold by HTC, period. I don't feel any better knowing it's an OS fault.
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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I know but I think it's a bit more complicated as I said on the original post. Besides the laziness, WM developers face a too heterogeneous ecossystem that makes things really harder. "Ok, I've finished my app, now I just have to port it to 640x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 320x200, and who knows what else, despite the fact that standard WM UIs are really crap so every developer has to start from scratch if they want to make something look good. In short, only a few very brave souls will be capable of that.
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
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Because Android is not that good also. It seems like a better OS than WM but when it comes to user experience and, most important, a consistent user experience across all apps, it fails for the same reason WM fails. Lack of a product design and roadmap. It's just trying desperately to be installed on as most devices as it can.
Regards

And yet, the reasons people still use Winmo/Android is because the Iphone OS has serious deficiencies in some areas.
There is no perfect phone....all we can do is make the best of each OS.

Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.

Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.

I owned iphone 3gs...
I read all you've been writing and i, as former iphone 3gs user, must say that everything you say is corect but... why don't you say to all of us why you gave up your iphone... or why you really hating go back to itunes... and of course why in the close future you'll give up again, and sell the iphone???
The answer, real answer is that with iPhone you have everything right in place as you say but there is no fun... no joy... like trying to have the best sex but not in the mood... if know what i mean...
I had moments when i pulled out my iphone, from my pocket, and i wanted to play arround with it and...come on, really boring!!!
Iphone is the best in terms of everyday use, but if wm 7 will get better in terms of use it's going to be a strong iphone killer!!!
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
By the way...
No OS can have better handle of e-mail attachments than wm... for sure!!!
I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR SELLING IPHONE OVER HTC HD2!!!
Cheers!

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I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
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Thanks for perfectly expressing my thoughts

Toss3 said:
Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
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I must say i have had an iphone 3g and i'm more happy with my HTC HD2. One of the reasons is because i simply think you pay way to much for the piece of hardware itself still no 5mpx camera while 8 is almost normal and 12 is high end. The new gs is worth more the money tough but the camera keeps me off and i kept hearing a annoying resonance while calling and the software isn't perfect as well and not that stable after a few days plus the battery life of the HTC HD2 is better as my iphone 3g and way better as the 3gs.
I like the default windows mobile software HTC Sense is annoying, camera flip, weather animations can't be turned off. Emails why show the email in the way it is shown now? i just rather had opened the whole email app so i can view the emails like your supposed to and not like a letter.
While calling you have to slide to get the extra options, why? there is a hang up button on screen wich you can press so why not the other buttons?
HTC tried to make a nice looking skin but not a functional one.
I use the default titanium skin with some modifications like a task manager added to the options and msn and the camera. But the apps for calling and the communications manager work great.
About windows mobile 7:
Windows mobile can be great. But i still have the idea they haven't learned from their mistakes. Look at the buttons a phone is supposed to have according to microsoft for windows mobile 7. a Pickup, a home, a start, a back and a hang up button. Why so many? Home and start could be one, 1 press to go home another to go to start and press again to go home again, simple and effective. Why a back button? when would you use that? Press the home button and your back in the home screen and applications usually have their own back button when needed. So pick-up home and hang-up would have been enough. Since Microsoft asks for these buttons they still think to complicated and i bet windows 7 will to complicated as well all though it will be more complete compared to 6.x.
But i love how i can change things to the user interface and multitasking is great, the iphone can't do that by default and that really sucks. And backgrounder that does make it possible, makes the phone more unstable as a windows mobile one. It is stupid windows mobile doesn't use it's greatest advantage for marketing and battling the iphone with it, this is where windows mobile could stand out with.
I'm writing this from my macbook on os x snow leopard and even i still prefer my windows mobile HTC HD2.

Windows Mobile 7 will simply use CE7 Kernel, compiled for new ARM CPUs and will use the new ARM instructions.
Now we're running Windows Mobile 6.5 that runs on CE5.2 kernel.
It's like running Windows98 on a Phenom X4 quadcore CPU
Even on other MSM chipsets that has got an ARM11 CPU, that potential isn't seen because of that.
When WM7 will be released, we'll see our device performance unleashed

I've had my HD2 for a week now and I must say I'm more than pleased with it. I did consider the iPhone as an option, but as I want to connect my phone to my Exchange Server then it was a no brainer to opt for a Windows Phone and the hardware specs of the HD2 are way above the iPhone. A big thing that put me off the iPhone was it's reliance upon iTunes to synchronise my calendar & contacts - it's dreadfully buggy toy software and I don't want a music application on my work PC.
If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as "the users' fault".
The emergence of open source Android phones whill hopefully spur the mainstream smartphone OS writers to concentrate their efforts on developing their own platforms. It's true to say that Microsoft haven't trerated their Windows OS as a mainstream product and there's still too much legacy code in 6.5, but it's still a decent OS for its intended purpose Hopefully that will be addressed in Version 7 which looks likely to be available to HD2 users as an (free?) upgrade. There's masses of quality third-party apps avaiable to maximise its smartphone potential for just about all users,.
There isn't a perfect smartphone out there and as we demand ever more features of them I doubt if there is likely to be in the forseable future, but the nice thing about the Windows Phone OS is that it is eminently hackable.

HD2 Simply Put...
Depth & Customization!

iphone got it right???
I remember hearing complaints about iphone for at least the first year, and as omneity says:
"If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as 'the users' fault' ".
fmcastro said:
We don’t have to accept …
5. a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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p.s. I am a former Apple user. Iphone is more of Jobs' controlled user experience.
I couldn't stand it.
I find it ironic that Apple started out supporting open source while Gates worked hard at controlling users choice.
Now it is the reverse.

New things r always trapped in some trouble, and that's why i have paid close attention to leo, but i didn't buy it! im just waiting for a staid one.

To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.

Teneka_Khan said:
To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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I FULLY agree with you ; I also have a iphone 3G 16 GB but is now in the drawer collecting dust. As saying goes, One man's meat is another man poison . No point debating about how good/bad the HD2 and iPhone and any other PDA. It will never end
As far as I am concerned , the HD2 is my choice now vs iPhone

gavinfabl said:
Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.
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Yep, I totally agree...and that's just what i've now done