I currently am stuck with at&t. would consider just switching to t-mobile, but their 3g doesn't exist in my area yet. at&t's does but the nexus's radio doesn't use the same 3g bands as you all know. Is this fixable. if at&t picks up this phone will I have to buy a new one for it to work. will this be able to be worked around some way. if it can I think I'm selling my fuze, as much as I love it, for this phone. I'm taking a big step, because I've learned to really like windows on this phone. everyone seems to really love their androids, but I'll see.
found the other thread discussing this. I see that it appears that the hardware is there, so I'm sure that the great members of xda will have this fixed in no time, unless it's just not end user flashable or fixable. it appears this could be the case. if it is though, and you bye this phone unlocked, and later it becomes available to at&t users. will they be able to unlock this feature? only time will tell I guess. I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and get it anyway, and just suck it up until t-mobile upgrades there service in my area. their plans and customer service are way better anyway
Currently, people with a G1/Dream, Magic, Hero etc. on AT&T are able to get the $10 Family Data or $15 Unlimited Data option on their phone, because AT&T does not recognize it as a smartphone since they do not sell it (I know this is true because we have one in the house).
Can anyone tell me how AT&T recognizes the Nexus One? Does it show up as a smarphone on your online account, forcing you to use the $30 PDA Data plan? Or does it show up as "unidentified," meaning you are free to choose one of the cheaper plans?
Before I switched to T-Mobile it showed up as unidentified in the account on the web page. They must got have gotten the maker IMEI codes to the phones to figure out who's using a N1 on their network. I had the option to change it back, but I don't know if it would have reverted it or not.
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Currently, people with a G1/Dream, Magic, Hero etc. on AT&T are able to get the $10 Family Data or $15 Unlimited Data option on their phone, because AT&T does not recognize it as a smartphone since they do not sell it (I know this is true because we have one in the house).
Can anyone tell me how AT&T recognizes the Nexus One? Does it show up as a smarphone on your online account, forcing you to use the $30 PDA Data plan? Or does it show up as "unidentified," meaning you are free to choose one of the cheaper plans?
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the tmo g1 will show 'unknown' or whatever, and you'll be stuck with edge. afaik the tmo nexus will be the same way.
now, the ATT nexus, i'll bet they hit you with the "OMGZ YOU HAZ SMARTZPHONE ON OUR NETWORKZ !!! PAY ME PWEEZ !" rediculousness. $30 sounds about right for them.
please, do update the thread if you find concrete. i'm only going on the bs they spouted about a 5 year old palm treo. yes, a treo supposedly burned $30 worth of data. please.
Good point, although if they don't identify one version of the Nexus, I don't see why they would the other. Hopefully someone who has the new one right now on AT&T can answer.
And while the G1 does get restricted to EDGE, if it was a Rogers Dream, it would get 3G and as far as I know AT&T would still see it as "unidentified."
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Good point, although if they don't identify one version of the Nexus, I don't see why they would the other. Hopefully someone who has the new one right now on AT&T can answer.
And while the G1 does get restricted to EDGE, if it was a Rogers Dream, it would get 3G and as far as I know AT&T would still see it as "unidentified."
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That's correct. I had a Rogers HTC Magic before getting the N1 and I was on AT&T, the device was not identified but I still got 3G @ the $15 price point for data. It wasn't until I put in my SIM in the N1 to check it for defects that I got the texts and emails saying my phone was on the wrong data plan.
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Good point, although if they don't identify one version of the Nexus, I don't see why they would the other. Hopefully someone who has the new one right now on AT&T can answer.
And while the G1 does get restricted to EDGE, if it was a Rogers Dream, it would get 3G and as far as I know AT&T would still see it as "unidentified."
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the IMEI includes data that identifies the phone make/model and at&t must have access to that info, lol. pop in that N1 SIM and it's just a matter of time before you're conveniently upgraded to the Smartphone data plan. there are a couple of threads on the N1 forum that provide more detail about the data plan changes.
Well that should answer my question then...if the Rogers Magic was unidentified but the Nexus One triggered it right away, then AT&T is obviously recognizing it as a smarphone and triggering the Smartphone data plan.
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the tmo g1 will show 'unknown' or whatever, and you'll be stuck with edge. afaik the tmo nexus will be the same way.
now, the ATT nexus, i'll bet they hit you with the "OMGZ YOU HAZ SMARTZPHONE ON OUR NETWORKZ !!! PAY ME PWEEZ !" rediculousness. $30 sounds about right for them.
please, do update the thread if you find concrete. i'm only going on the bs they spouted about a 5 year old palm treo. yes, a treo supposedly burned $30 worth of data. please.
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My experience was that AT&T knew when even the T-Mobile Nexus One was being used as my account triggered the $30 data with it as well. Currently seeking a kind AT&T rep who can add a smartphone exclusion to my account on both lines for the AT&T Nexus One's I picked up yesterday.
Logged into my ATT account and all I see for my Nexus One that operates on the ATT fequency is a gray outline of a flip phone.
So in my case it has not been recognized as Google N1.
I got my T-mobile n1 for use on AT&T on 2-18. 8 hours into ownership I got the text saying I need to upgrade my data plan, which at that point had been unlimited text/[email protected]$30 for use with my Nokia N85. That threw me into a rage, as I'd be GD'd if I was going to pay 30+ a month for edge.
On 2-22 I switched to T-Mobile.
18 hours later, came back to AT&T. Grass isn't greener on the other side.
From 2-23 until 3-18, no nasty text from AFee&Fee asking to upgrade. 3-18 and ongoing, no upgrade text sent for the 850mhz N1 (I hate calling it the "AT&T Nexus One").
I'm back on the $30 unlimted text and data plan, and i've been with it steady for one month now. YMMV, as may mine, good luck
I ordered the At&t N1 the day it was released and have been using it ever since I got it the next day. So far they haven't changed my data plan.
possibly its region based
ive had tmo band n1 and att band n1, tmo band one for about 3 weeks and now att band n1 for a week or two, no texts to update plan, yet...ive been streaming music on last fm all day long in high quality so we'll see
The grass is totally greener on the T-Mobile side in Seattle. That's all I can say.
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The grass is totally greener on the T-Mobile side in Seattle. That's all I can say.
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Probably. I only had 3g in a few parts of metro Tulsa, Edge everywhere else. My mindset was if i'm gonna be stuck with edge, I might as well keep my 6k rollover minutes and m2m, since everyone I know is on AT&T. I did run a speed test after getting the 8fiddy, and here's what I got:
Please stop asking about AT&T forcing you into data plan or not. Here's why:
1. Their definition of smartphones are smartphones that they sell. If you buy unlocked phone, that shoild be fine.
2. If you've been forced to upgrade, most likely, you've used A LOT of data. When I say A LOT, I mean like a few GB worth. They will most likely flag yout account.
If you keep asking, either BGR or Engadget will write an article about this and inquire AT&T. And they will have to respond. What if DeLaga just goes: Gee, maybe we should force N1 user to upgrade, let's go hunt them all.
Just FYI, I have the AT&T N1 on AT&T family data plan for 10 and it's fine. So hush hush and keep this btw ourselves.
Question for you guys who got texts from AT&T. Did you ever tlel them you were switching to an N1? Many threads I read people going from $30 => $15 and saying they had an N1. Sometimes the rep would let them and then a few days later they get a nasty text... What should I expect with the ATT N1?
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Please stop asking about AT&T forcing you into data plan or not. Here's why:
1. Their definition of smartphones are smartphones that they sell. If you buy unlocked phone, that shoild be fine.
2. If you've been forced to upgrade, most likely, you've used A LOT of data. When I say A LOT, I mean like a few GB worth. They will most likely flag yout account.
If you keep asking, either BGR or Engadget will write an article about this and inquire AT&T. And they will have to respond. What if DeLaga just goes: Gee, maybe we should force N1 user to upgrade, let's go hunt them all.
Just FYI, I have the AT&T N1 on AT&T family data plan for 10 and it's fine. So hush hush and keep this btw ourselves.
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Let me clear up some of the misconceptions you seem to have from what I've experienced thus far.
1. Even with an unlocked Nexus One, AT&T can still change your plan as this is exactly what they did to me. I bought an unlocked AWS Nexus One and less than a month after popping my SIM into it, I got the message and my data plan was changed, even though I was only using EDGE.
2. AT&T knows which phone you're using. It may not seem as such with your online account showing an unknown device, but the device still registers on their network and there are ways for them to see which device it is. The CSR's and Customer "Solutions" rep didn't know what phone I was using when I called to complain about the data plan change, but the woman from AT&T's corporate response team had no problem finding out that I was using a Nexus One when she was responding to my BBB complaint.
3. The amount of data may play into all this, but I will tell you that I used over 4gb of data with my i8910 months before I had the Nexus One and didn't hear a word from AT&T.
4. You are most likely to receive the text message to change your data plan on the day your billing cycle ends, so if you haven't gotten the text yet, wait til your next bill comes before you start celebrating.
I hope that helps.
in response to both your statements i believe its both. because all the friends i know working at ATT swear up and down that its incredibly rare to get flagged. Might be almost random if anything. Doesnt meant it wont happen for either reason.
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That's correct. I had a Rogers HTC Magic before getting the N1 and I was on AT&T, the device was not identified but I still got 3G @ the $15 price point for data. It wasn't until I put in my SIM in the N1 to check it for defects that I got the texts and emails saying my phone was on the wrong data plan.
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how long between putting in the SIM and getting the "convenience" texts?
I've had my N1 since the day after it was released and haven't gotten anything yet. In fact, all the phones in my sig have been on this account in the past year at some point - including the Fuze which I've had on there since the day it came out. Still on the MediaMax200.
Notes: My billing cycle starts on the 27th and I rarely go over 100MB a month.
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Question for you guys who got texts from AT&T. Did you ever tlel them you were switching to an N1? Many threads I read people going from $30 => $15 and saying they had an N1. Sometimes the rep would let them and then a few days later they get a nasty text... What should I expect with the ATT N1?
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I didnt tell them. I went from a phone they didn't sell/support (nokia n85 unlocked) to a phone they don't sell/support (N1). Didn't tell anyone, just swapped my sim out. 8 hours into ownership, at 3AM no less, the nastygram showed up via text and Gmail. Granted, the N85 is a 3g phone, but I doubt my data use was over a gig last month. I'm always under 2 gigs even on my heavy flow months. I doubt seriously that it had anything to do with data consumption.
All of their smartphones being sold must now be on an unlimited data plan, i know that much, but they didn't sell me my N1, and i'm still in contract for my iphone 3g.. breaking their terms of the contract by forcing me into an unnecessary data plan upgrade can emancipate me from it. I know they force the upgrade to try to recoup some of their subsidy for the other phones, but that doesnt apply here!
And to the poster telling us to stop asking about it-its happening to people, it's happening irregularly and without reason, and that is cause for discussion. BGR and the other tech sites can ask AT&T all they want, but a material change to the service, such as cramming (i miss that term) an unwanted/unwarranted plan upgrade, is still a contract violation and is cause for emancipation. Not that I'd jump ship now, because I just got the 850mhz N1, but it's certainly a bargaining chip to get your plan switched back relatively hassle free.
Does anyone want the regular T-mobile version? I have ATT as a provider and would like to swap my T-mobile N1 for an ATT N1. Any takers?
You should try selling or trading on Craigslist.com
I am in the Chicago area and there are a ton of people with listings regardng trades, although I haven't seen anyone wanting to trade an Att version with a T-mobile version. Usually its the other way around like in your situation.
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You should try selling or trading on Craigslist.com
I am in the Chicago area and there are a ton of people with listings regardng trades, although I haven't seen anyone wanting to trade an Att version with a T-mobile version. Usually its the other way around like in your situation.
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Yeah, I got this one from work free as a long-term "test" unit. Now, the lack of 3G is starting to bug me. Unfortunately, my area is not known for its....technical capabilities. I'll see what I can find.
read some of this before you ditch your old tmo http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=01a47ff5b0a92d52&hl=en
I have a new att version and a launch tmo. MY tmo wifi works and my att doesn't.
Yours is broke.
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My AT&T version WiFi works great...
Make sure you don't have the "holiday" N1 before you give it up. You don't work for Google, do you?
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I have a Nexus One AT&T version and everything works fine, I also previously had a T-Mo Nexus One and it worked fine as well. Wi-fi, apps and everything else were fine.
I'm kind of in a similar position. I have the T-Mo N1 and I'm on ATT, but was looking to either trade or switch providers. Lately, I've been hearing that T-Mo might go out of business, though..
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I'm kind of in a similar position. I have the T-Mo N1 and I'm on ATT, but was looking to either trade or switch providers. Lately, I've been hearing that T-Mo might go out of business, though..
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I think T-Mobile has to file a lawsuit against WSJ for that article "10 brand names will disappear in 2011" because it's ****ing up T-Mobile business.
ericc191 said:
I'm kind of in a similar position. I have the T-Mo N1 and I'm on ATT, but was looking to either trade or switch providers. Lately, I've been hearing that T-Mo might go out of business, though..
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Wait, aren't you exactly what the OP is looking for?
I'll be arriving the USA in 15 days. I intend to stay there for at least 2 years. I was looking for someone to trade with, when I noticed your post.
I have a N1 bought from Singapore (so European, with Tmo frequencies). The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. Would you be interested in a switch?
I will be residing at Troy, New York (zip 12180).
EDIT: The phone also has a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
EDIT2: LOL, just noticed you're in the same position as me.. Ignore the above please!
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Wait, aren't you exactly what the OP is looking for?
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No, he wants an ATT N1.
Good luck, I think if someone had an AT&T N1 and went to TMo, they would probably just sell the AT&T and buy a subsidized one from TMo, pocketing the difference. Just my thought on it... Good luck though...
Okay I was on engadget and saw it http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/30/fcc-opens-floor-for-public-comment-on-atandt-t-mobile-deal/ go to it if you want but please fill this out so we don't get bought out please
kind of old news man, that first got announced quite some time ago.
But I am totally in favor of that not happening, I hate AT&T and dont want their customers hogging our bandwidth.
Plus they monopolize in the GSM network....not good.
Go fill out the FCC form to tell the FCC this shouldn't happen.
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Okay I was on engadget and saw it http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/30/fcc-opens-floor-for-public-comment-on-atandt-t-mobile-deal/ go to it if you want but please fill this out so we don't get bought out please
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If it doesn't go through I'll prolly go back to AT&T anyways. AT&T is building their network out. T-Mobile is standing still and thinks GPRS roaming is all their customers need in a ton of places. Not gonna deal with that much longer now that AT&T has a new active HSPA+ tower < 1 mile away...
A lot of people around her who had T-Mobile (they were the only thing that worked) are now switching to AT&T for better coverage.
Impossible to travel with a phone that's dropping coverage left and right, and it kills your battery life to boot...
hmmm..I was gonna do it but I got lazy...too much work :/...hopefully sprint can make a good case for us
No merging. Monopoly will kill us
Welcome to corporate america!! This can and will happen. You can fill out all the petitions in the world to request for AT&T to not be able to buy out T-Mobile but believe me; it WILL happen.
Just want to share something with you guys. I never understood why a phone a device branded to let's say for ATT having quad band that include bands for T-Mobile will only work on EDGE on T-Mobile and wise verse why T-Mobile phones that also have all bands needed for ATT will only work on EDGE on it. That's why for past several years Galaxy S 2 from T-Mobile (T989) was THE BEST phone because no matter what I put in it ATT or T-mobile or anything else it always gave me 3G service and never EDGE. Now to the point. Today I unlocked my i337 SGS4 branded to ATT and decided to check my other Simple Mobile sim with it. I was happily surprised when my 40$ Simple Mobile account gave me H+ ( HSPA: +15 in about menu) and on speed test I am getting steady 6 Mbit down and about 1.5Mbit up. I mean Skype, Youtube videos, and all other things are good to go now on budget carrier with nice unit. Amazing ! Now I heard people went to service menu and change things ,,,,, DON'T. Just get unlock code for like 3$ on eBay (I just did it) and that's it, works out of the box. So //that's all I really wanna say. I am happy to have T-Mobile / Simple Mobile capable unit cause I think I'll be going there soon. my 150$ monthly bills are killing me. I wonder overseas places will this unit pick up fast internet too or only EDGE....I really love my phone now.
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I was thinking about this for a second here. I have 40$ plan with simple mobile and for 40 they give out Unlimited Internet with first 250 MB of data on 4G speeds, then 3G. So I am thinking "H+" for them is 4G and once 250MB are gone I'll have 3G service "H" (HSPA: 10) but it apsolutely beats "E" (EDGE) anytime.
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Like totally out of the blue question. I have Sony SP15i unit and I tried ATT and I tried T-Mobile and Simple Mobile in it and I only get "E" in it yet phone can accept high speed network, anyone know wtf is going on when both major carriers in US are no good for this phone ? Cause I got it hooked up real nice I put CM10 in it works very nice and I am having like 3 days worth of battery in that little guy. ...sorry for totally off topic shiit.
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