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Deepfish, anyone has tried it?

The Deepfish Technology Preview enhances existing mobile browsing technologies by displaying content in a view that is closer to the desktop experience. Our zoom-able interface and cue map allow you to quickly access the information you care about over the web without ever losing track of where you are.
Note : Deepfish is currently only available by invite only to a small number of beta users. Please visit http://labs.live.com/deepfish page to keep informed of future updates and availability.

Deepfish has been MIA for some time now. They released a limited quantity for beta testing a while back. Id also like to try it.
Dont bother looking for it online. Even if u find it with a key, it wont work. because once u log onto the internet it does a key validation check, and wont let u go any further.
Another good browser is picsel 1.0.5. But it has its limitations.

I managed luckily to get an invite for the deepfish beta a while back. While i was impressed with it initially, I believe it has too many flaws in it's current state. Opera Mobile 4 is way, way better and does everything that deepfish is trying to do and more. So much so that I have removed deepfish from my device!
The flaws that I have noticed with it are that while it allows you to browse a full web page and zoom in, it does this by rendering the page as an image file on a central server, then you download the image. When you then zoom in to a part of the page you want to read, it is like zooming in on a (low quality) image. the images and text especially are blurred and difficult to read on a pda's screen. Opera mini doe snot have this problem as it renders text as actual text. This alone made me switch to Opera.
As you are browsing an image, it is difficult or most time impossible to enter text into boxes, such as entering a login or password. For the few times that you can enter your information, you cannot click the login button!!! (facebook is an example).
With your web page being an image, there is no flash support whatsoever.
The last frustrating thing is that most times it does not download the entire page of a website. So imagine browsing your favorite web blog, you read the first page of info, but the last 3 inches of the page is missing, meaning you cannot click "next" to go to the next page!. This happens on MOST of the pages you browse, sometimes even more than a few inches are missing from the bottom.
So while deepfish is a good idea in theory , it has so many issues i reckon Microsoft labs team have given up as it probably will require way more resources than they have available to turn it into a viable application.
If you are looking for a similar browser that works, get Opera Mini4. If you are already using that, you are not missing anything by not having deepfish.

MySpace.com blocked?

I can't figure out a way to get to MySpace.com via the phone's browser. Any attempt to visit the URL just gives me an ad for the Android app (which I hate). There are links to the (worthless) mobile site and the desktop version of the site, but the link they provide to the desktop version just gets intercepted by their stupid advertisement again, making it inaccessable. Does anybody know a workaround for this problem?
I really wish there was a browser setting to tell the browser to just identify itself as a desktop browser instead of a mobile one, I can't stand it when I get automatically redirected to a mobile version of a site every time I visit it.

Welcome to the world without Microsoft where everything is called "OPEN" but your every move is limited and controlled.
I have noticed many other "controls" in the browser which I hate. None of that stuff ever happens on MICROSOFT products, everything is REALLY open, not "open source dictatorship", Google style.

yea that myspace desktop version being unavailable is really annoying being that the desktop version works better and faster than the myspace app itself....i dnt even understand how it is blocked and y!!!!

brooklynite said:
Welcome to the world without Microsoft where everything is called "OPEN" but your every move is limited and controlled.
I have noticed many other "controls" in the browser which I hate. None of that stuff ever happens on MICROSOFT products, everything is REALLY open, not "open source dictatorship", Google style.
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This has nothing to do with the phone. This has to do with the website itself. You never have these issues on MS products because MS products don't let the webserver know if it is a mobile browser.
I like your misguided conspiracy theory thou... keep it up.

surely you can change how the client identifies itself, im sure this is in IE settings, or was that opera, or a reg setting, ho hum ...

chefgon said:
I can't figure out a way to get to MySpace.com via the phone's browser. Any attempt to visit the URL just gives me an ad for the Android app (which I hate). There are links to the (worthless) mobile site and the desktop version of the site, but the link they provide to the desktop version just gets intercepted by their stupid advertisement again, making it inaccessable. Does anybody know a workaround for this problem?
I really wish there was a browser setting to tell the browser to just identify itself as a desktop browser instead of a mobile one, I can't stand it when I get automatically redirected to a mobile version of a site every time I visit it.
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Just go to home.myspace.com and you will be taken directly to the desktop version

Solution...
just type in us.myspace.com and the desktop version will come up...

aad4321 said:
I believe that windows mobile phones do allow website to know that it is running a mobile version. Thats why when you go to so many websites via a WM phone it takes you automatically to the mobile version.
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It doesn't work correctly half the time. I am a web developer and have had more issues with the wings browser than the G1's.. There is a reg setting but I can't change other peoples reg settings.
And before you know it we will have the same settings on the G1 to do similar things.

Why Facebook Apps when Opera looks same as Real internet?

I was wondering why do people use Facebook Apps if opera can access facebook.com and deliver the same exact content (minus viewing videos) in the same exact form as if you were using any computer browser?
Just a though...

an app is a better interface for a portable screen the full facebook page isnt too friendly.
too bad the winmo facebook app is a steaming pile

I stopped using facebook app on any devices I've come to own.
As you said, Browser delivers it much better.

lbhocky19 said:
an app is a better interface for a portable screen the full facebook page isnt too friendly.
too bad the winmo facebook app is a steaming pile
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actually, for the HD2, its negligible to use a facebook app since webpages on opera looks the same as a computer's browser.

I use touch.facebook.com with Opera Mobile 9.7
It's much better than the dedicated app, as far as speed anyway.
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I use either touch.facebook.com or the full website. More and more the full website as the touch version somehow chooses to display only what it feels like in the feeds/updates, and in random order. Sometimes I'll have old stuff at the top, and find latest updates in the middle/bottom of page, with no apparent sorting, and if I fire up the full website I'll see twice as many. I've often had duplicate entries show up as well, particularly when "showing older updates".
Same with the facebook app, fim, facebook mobile... it seems anytime I try them all in a row no 2 show the same things and/or in the same order. So full site it is, so I can see what I'm supposed to see. And it's convenient anyway plus I get full functionality when uploading photos or such... with the app either you put a text update without photo or a photo but without text, so that you can't simply upload a photo with a little comment... on the full site you can put a text update and join a photo.
One reason for not using the full site is that it's heavy and thus can be slow if you don't have a good connection/uses a lot of data which isn't fun if your data plan is very limited.

Why does Google on the sense tab work differently than on the Opera browser?

I don't know if anyone else has tried this, but the google box that you can bring up on the Sense tab (the one for internet) is different than the one when you open the Opera Browser that is right under the address bar. The difference between the two is the one on the Sense tab gives you the results of the search, but anytime you click on any of the links for your results its TEXT ONLY. The one on the Opera Browser has links that takes you to the site, but still lets it stay as a "desktop" looking site. Anyone know why it does that? Is it a glitch? Can it be fixed?

I agree. I would like to know as well.
In the tab: you can change it in registry to the following and it will do every google search in desktop version :
google.com/search?hl=en-US&output=html&q=%s
however, if you are in the browser already, and did a google search, it will come up in mobile search results.
How can we change the one in browser to desktop searchers?

Hmm never noticed this before,might be a good idea to
change it to give proper search results

The search bar that you refer to invokes Google's specilaized mobile view rendering service. Essentially what Google does is to take all the websites out there and convert them to a mobile friendly version before diplaying it on your screen.
That's why it is different from the Desktop View and even the Opera Mobile View because Google is dong the conversion, not the browser.
It's quite handy if you want quick access to text information.

lemonspeakers said:
How can we change the one in browser to desktop searchers?
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custom user agent.
as you are now opera is telling google it is a mobile browser. spoof for example the FireFox desktop use agent and you will see desktop google.
as for the search tab, as mentioned above you can force the results and even use a different search engine if you like.
more details here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656897

Unable to download webpages on chrome

I set up my fourth. yes fourth, V20 last week (the perils of buying used phones on ebay!) and all seems good. But I noticed a couple of days ago that whenever I try to download the page I'm viewing on chrome, it begins to download but then I get the message,
Download unsuccessful
Download is canceled The content is not valid to download
The pages get the tick in the notification bar and show up in the downloaded section, but when I click on them, there's nothing!
I've tried switching to data and have never had any issues with other phones doing this. I'm still on the stock ROM and not rooted. I'm in the UK and viewing UK sites, this is really odd. Does anyone have any suggestions as I caouldn't find anything when I searched online

This obviously isn't the place to ask for help with a Google app. Contact Google through email about their Chome app.

Would anyone have any (useful) suggestions regarding this? It's highly unlikely to be a chrome issue as I've never had problems on any other phones in similar situations (obviously I tried to contact them and went on their forums but I couldn't find anyone who'd experienced the same issue). I can't get the full UK keyboard due to some random geo lock on the H910, that's why I was wondering if anyone had any V20 specific suggestions?
I'd have happily moved to a Chromium based third party browser but I need the sync capability so that the bookmarks are also available on my desktop, so it's Chrome or Firefox as things stand (not really a fan of Opera).

As an aside - I've not found a solution to this and it's NOT limited to Chrome, it is the same when I run Brave, a Chromium browser. So the issue isn't purely Chrome.
It's a sizable pain in the posterior when travelling - it's great to be able to download a selection of web pages before setting off into areas with very patchy signal. I used to use Pocket, but I'd much rather know why I can't use the native function.