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Storage Ram VS. RAm Ram???

ok well i know this soudns like a dumb question.. but...
if i store programs on my touch, like opera, slingplayer mobile, touch settings ETC, will that eat up my RAM. So like will my phone run slower?? Or does it come with BUilt in RAM for storage, and then an extra 128 RAM for like running apps?? If its using the same ram... I would much much rather, store all my progs on a memory card accept for the basics? anyone>?

if this is true, can i also delete all the sprint bloat ware... sprint music, video, on demand, software store. If it is taking up storage space, that is ok, but if its take up speed space i do not want that to happen?

Hi,
No - your programs are in storage memory. They don't eat ram (..or make your device any slower) unless you actually run them.
The touch has plenty of storage memory - so you're fine installing most things on here...
-mark

great! lol, it sounded dumb, but i was not sure. My next question is.. what kind of program memory does it have, like running speed, not storage... Also can i delte some start up stuff. IDK if sprint has some bloatware that i dont use running in the background, can i delete it off my phone? Also can i delete the sprint apps off my phone? Anything to do this, so i will have more program memory and storage memory.
My goal... Store on phone...
Opera Mobile
Slingplayer Mobile
Touch Settings
Resco
Few Other apps
Pictures...
on 8 GB Micro SD
Music and Video

anyone??? help please lol

look in \windows\startup
thats programs that autostart
if you remove the shortcuts they will not start
another thing is that it may not help speed at all
in windows having more memory help speed because then windows
dont have to swap to the harddisk
but with windows mobile there is no swap
if a program dont have enough mem it will not start it will not just run slower
vogue and elf have rather slow cpu's that could be the root of your problem

vogue has a 400 mhz processor? That is just as fast as mogul...

how about i might have posted earlier, deleting some sprint apps. On demand, Sprint Music, SPrint Tv. Can you delete those. I am going to customize my cube, and i dont want sprints garbage to be on my phone when i will never even use it...? Anyone??

Install software to Microdrive or not?

It's safe to install software to the microdrive? I have heard alot of problem with the microdrive..
It's better in microsd? Any faster in the microdrive or microSD

jimmie said:
It's safe to install software to the microdrive? I have heard alot of problem with the microdrive..
It's better in microsd? Any faster in the microdrive or microSD
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I've posted several times already that almost all my applications are on microdrive. Every night I have an automatic backup of the entire content to the miniSDHC. If you do a benchmark using sktools, you will see that microdrive is way way faster than miniSDHC.
By installing my applications to microdrive, I'm able to change the storage cards when one runs out of capacity. This means unlimited videos, pictures, and musics.
It have problem with microdrive as often as with storage card, which is extremely seldom. During the nine months that I owned it, my microdrive had acted up twice, and storage card also twice, and that had more to do with the way I formatted them, thinking back. My PC hard drive had also given me problem occasionally

eaglesteve said:
I've posted several times already that almost all my applications are on microdrive. Every night I have an automatic backup of the entire content to the miniSDHC. If you do a benchmark using sktools, you will see that microdrive is way way faster than miniSDHC.
By installing my applications to microdrive, I'm able to change the storage cards when one runs out of capacity. This means unlimited videos, pictures, and musics.
It have problem with microdrive as often as with storage card, which is extremely seldom. During the nine months that I owned it, my microdrive had acted up twice, and storage card also twice, and that had more to do with the way I formatted them, thinking back. My PC hard drive had also given me problem occasionally
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OK, here's the flip side (eaglesteve and I seem to do this a lot recently!!!).
The MD uses much more battery life than the SD; it takes a while to spin up (so leads to inital delays) and if you drop the unit while the MD is spinning, you stand a greater chance of killing the MD (although it is to stop automatically using the accelerometer).
Frankly, there is so much RAM on this thing, I install the majority to the main memory. I also have push email (with a big inbox and contacts and calendar) and it still runs very fast. Any real bloater applications I install to SD and I still have room for a few albums, lots of photos and several satnav maps!!! And if my unit dies, I will take the SD card out and put it in a replacement. I don't use the MD for anything important.
So there you have it, there is no right answer!

apd said:
OK, here's the flip side (eaglesteve and I seem to do this a lot recently!!!).
The MD uses much more battery life than the SD; it takes a while to spin up (so leads to inital delays) and if you drop the unit while the MD is spinning, you stand a greater chance of killing the MD (although it is to stop automatically using the accelerometer).
Frankly, there is so much RAM on this thing, I install the majority to the main memory. I also have push email (with a big inbox and contacts and calendar) and it still runs very fast. Any real bloater applications I install to SD and I still have room for a few albums, lots of photos and several satnav maps!!! And if my unit dies, I will take the SD card out and put it in a replacement. I don't use the MD for anything important.
So there you have it, there is no right answer!
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I've tried installing everything intI main memory before. Unfortunately, it is not big enough for me. It also freezes up when the memory is too low.
I agree that battery life is somewhat affected, so I carry extra battery. I don't really try hard to save my battery. I use full screen brightness all the time.

Almost all of my stuff is on the drive. No problems. If I ever have to hard-reset I think I'll put everything in memory to compare. So far I havent used the SD slot.

techntrek said:
Almost all of my stuff is on the drive. No problems. If I ever have to hard-reset I think I'll put everything in memory to compare. So far I havent used the SD slot.
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You might be able to do this if you have just a few applications. For me I only install into device memory iLauncher, Microsoft Voice Commander, ftouchflo, wktask, wm5torage, mobile golf scorer, pieplus, sjphone, Tengo, googlemap, chronos alarm, pocket weather, and sipchange.
There is a compelling reason for each of them to go to the device memory, so they are rare exception for me.

hi,
i have all my today plugins installed at the rom, and all other applications installed (opera, adobereader, ...) installed at microdrive.
regards

eaglesteve said:
You might be able to do this if you have just a few applications. For me I only install into device memory iLauncher, Microsoft Voice Commander, ftouchflo, wktask, wm5torage, mobile golf scorer, pieplus, sjphone, Tengo, googlemap, chronos alarm, pocket weather, and sipchange.
There is a compelling reason for each of them to go to the device memory, so they are rare exception for me.
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I have about 25-30 apps on the drive.

Hope you have better luck then me.
The Microdrive continually corrupts (X7501 WM6).
I tried a format using an external formatter (described in another post here) but it failed again - rubbish comes up when you access it.
I've been emailing HTC with a case number but responses have dried up.
It's one of the few aspects of a very good unit which take the edge off owning it - the other is jerky video no matter what I try.
Anyway, enough moaning. I'll keep trying to get it 100% - and keep coming back to XDA-Developers.
Hope I can contribute enough in future to return the tips I've picked up from here.
Good luck with your unit.

Hi
I have all my programs installed on the mini SD card It is a SDHC crd and is actually faster than the microdrive in running the programs.
Hence never went back
Only programs like solitaire i install on drive if i lose who cares.
Regards

mw22 said:
Hi
I have all my programs installed on the mini SD card It is a SDHC crd and is actually faster than the microdrive in running the programs.
Hence never went back
Only programs like solitaire i install on drive if i lose who cares.
Regards
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Mine is a class 4 miniSDHC card made by Toshiba, but it is nowhere as fast as the microdrive. What brand and speed class is yours? What is it's benchmark with sktools?

is it better to save in device or storage card? Does it matter

My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?

I just got my phone and installed a recommended app called oxios.
A friend of mine had the tmobile wing, and it was operating really slowly too. I beamed that app over to him and it made his phone operate much much better.
I'd store stuff on your card, keeps the phone memory free to use and then its also removable if you want to loan some data to a friend or something.
To get Oxios, look at the thread I made called "Sprint Mogul must haves"

Yeah I agree...
Most stuff can be put onto the card.
I only put onto phone storage the stuff I use ALL the time or stuff that HAS to be there or running in the background(like MSVC, dialers, themes, sounds, etc)
I use wisbar advanved desktop and S2U2. I installed THOSE to phone memory along with various themes. It is running all the time and is quicker waking up when the phone rings etc. Ringtones should be on phone memory also.
All my games, other apps (like oxios, gps maps, youtube player, tvguide, aim, etc) are on the card. Because those I use/run them and when I'm done I close them.
Hope this makes sense....

I tried to download the file but it wont let me...do you know somewhere else i can get it? thanks

irnman43 said:
My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?
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Generally, it won't make your phone slow if you have a lot of items loaded in local flash ROM. What typically makes it slow is having a number of background tasks that are running. Do you use taskmanager or something to close the excess junk?
Typically, if you have a program that runs on the today screen or in the background, load it in local ROM. If it is huge or seldom used, load it on the storage card.
If you install an app on the storage card, it may be a little slower to load into ram when you start it. Usually that isn't a problem though.

Ok. so I was thinking of installing manila and the opera browser. should i install them on the storage card?

I wouldn't put either of those on the storage card. As worwig said the speed of your device has only to do with the processor load, which can never be too much since the ram will never allow the titan to over bombard the processor. So, it really all boils down to open ram. The more you have generally the better proformance you are going to get. If it is really bad to the point where you open your phone and you have to wait more than half a second for the screen to flip I would recommend a hard reset or more effective install dcd's 3.2.6 or 3.3.4. Then install each program soft reset and find which program is causing the memory drain.

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I personally prefer to save larger or less frequently used apps and all backups on a storage card. Just in case I need to do a hard reset or something goes wrong. Also a good practice is to have partial backups so if you need to get raid of some apps you could restore only what you need.
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RAM/Memory Low Problems

For some reason, I don't see too many complaints about low memory issues - yet I have always had problems with my RAM.
I have almost all of my programs installed on my SD card to try reduce any of my memory usage - but if I run PIE, MSN Messenger, or try to play music, I almost always have low memory messages come up.
I usually have one program running in the background - Slide to Unlock - but as far as I know its not that memory intensive?
Any insight on how I can fix this?
Thanks!

Are you running an elf or an elfin? If your not sure.....go to start-->settings-->system-->device information-->hardware. What does your RAM size read? If its 64MB its an elf.....if it says 128MB its an elfin. Your saying you've installed all your applications on the storage card. How much free space do you have for program memory on your phone? Your phones needs free memory in order to run applications too. Perhaps its running low on that end? Two things you should do:
1. Move any extra files, photos, videos or anything else that you might have saved on the phone memory to the storage card. Use activesync. Its faster that way.
2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.

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2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.
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I've been having "Insufficient memory" errors while trying to run SpB Backup, and have deleted all sorts of applications, but nothing seemed to free up enough memory. Then I tried your advice, and everything is working as it should!
Thanks!!

I have an elf - usually when I close all of my processes, except my stumble to unlock, I'll have approx. 15mb/47 free in my program memory. 10/28 of my storage space is free.
I've tried to clear all of my temp files... even made it so that all my temp files/PIE files are put on my storage card through SK tools, but still have the same issues.
As soon as I run my HTC music player with the one or two background apps, it almost always pops up with memory issues. Browsing with PIE is almost impossible for any period longer than 5 minutes.
I've tried it with several configurations and I always have the same results, even if I have no background processes - I still have the same issues.

Are you using a cooked ROM? Come to think of it, I never had many problems with the original shipped ROM. I was normally running S2U2, PocketMusic, Opera Mini and SpbMobileShell back then.
You mean to say you can't even run one application at a time without running out of RAM? Soft reset. And if you use SKTools like you say you do, try running Free Up RAM, select all options.
In your shoes I'd probably move everything I want to storage card, (you should want more than 10mb storage) try a hard reset and install my most used apps again. Oh, and what is your PagePool size? Try here to find out about that. It should be 4mb.

Your primary problem is indeed the fact that you are running out of space on your phone. 15mb for program memory especially on heavy usage is quite insufficient. Especially if your going to be multi tasking and running several applications at once. I would move ALL my installed programs and anything else I may be able to get my hands on, to the storage card. Try to squeeze out atleast 25-30mb out of your program memory. This should give your phone some more breathing space.

This might be to use of you to try it out.
http://www.oxios.com/memory/

hi
I had the same problem before but now my touch runs fine now & haven't got any issues till now. Use advanced task manager and pocket mechanic. These application will keep ur pocketpc in good shape.

Very good, Thanks.

Installing programs on device or SD

Hi
Are there any pros/cons to installing programs on the SD versus the device memory (not including that the SD's capacity is greater).
Tried a search but could not find an answer.
Thanks

diamondp3700 said:
Hi
Are there any pros/cons to installing programs on the SD versus the device memory (not including that the SD's capacity is greater).
Tried a search but could not find an answer.
Thanks
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Think of your phone as a pc with limited space to store apps/software/programs/games etc. Now imagine you have filled most of the space available. What would happen to your pc? It would slow down wouldn't it?
Same applies to your phone.

Fallen Spartan said:
Think of your phone as a pc with limited space to store apps/software/programs/games etc. Now imagine you have filled most of the space available. What would happen to your pc? It would slow down wouldn't it?
Same applies to your phone.
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correct me if i'm wrong but i've always been under the impression that certain apps works better off system memory. obviously you dont want to install everything there - stuff like games i keep on sd but system apps I (personally) keep in system memory.

imy300 said:
correct me if i'm wrong but i've always been under the impression that certain apps works better off system memory. obviously you dont want to install everything there - stuff like games i keep on sd but system apps I (personally) keep in system memory.
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Your right, I had the same question myself but I noticed some apps would auto install to Device so obviously need to be there, I also follow FallenSpartens advice and try to limit what I put on device memory, I think its a personal choice thing, if you have the available memory use the device, as its faster access, however I dont use more than 50% of that memory.
There is an app called SD Tuneup that supposedly improves the SD data transfer up to 30% but I have had mixed reviews, but I installed to my device anyway lol......I install things like task bar apps to device etc all the rest on SD card, may as well mention too that I use Garmin XT this is a big GPS program which is mostly stored on the SD so there must not be a huge difference between the two.
Hope that helps