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Mp3 compression

hi all,
I know that you guys put ton of mp3 on the miniSD card but do you guys use some tool to make the size smaller?
i can't imagine storing the mp3 in its original size (5M)..
If you have used some tool to make the size smaller without the audio quality degrading too much, please list your tools here.Thanks

Depends on quality minimum with mp3 for music is 128kbps, but I use wma which has an equivalent quality at 64kbps so uses half the space. Give it a go, windows media player will rip wma,s and you can compare quality.

Thanks...
I remember reading someone using some other tools to compress mp3 and play with tcmcp player...can't find it anymore
On another note, i use tcmcp for mp3 but it doesn't have any hard button mapping to Next, Fast forward...etc....
Tcmcp seems like a popular player here but how can people get on with this lack of full feature?

baraider said:
On another note, i use tcmcp for mp3 but it doesn't have any hard button mapping to Next, Fast forward...etc....
Tcmcp seems like a popular player here but how can people get on with this lack of full feature?
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Options/Settings/Select Page/Hotkeys

guttrhead said:
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Duh...i didn't notice that select page...so lame.
So i have Mortsaver and tcpmp and i set all the buttons for tcpmp Next, previous...
but when i turn on mortsaver to make my 8125 a mp3 player, the buttons do not work anymore...some setting in mortsaver I need to set up?
I'm ready for another duh moment

I don't use mortsaver, so I can't help out there.

google for advanced WMA workshop...
great, try VBR (variable bit rate compression), this will make the program decide what bit rate to use depending on the quality of the original flie... use WMA format, you will end up with files that are 1/3 the sie of the original files with almost the same quality...
I am still waiting for my xda mini s, so I am not sure that WM player can play VBR WMA files
Regards,
Mohammad

Check out http://www.fenice.info/mp3reenc/readme.htm and also have a look at DB Power Amp (allows you to right click on an mp3 or a folder full of Mp3s and re-encode to a lower bitrate or wma).

Putting muisc on 8525

What program should i use to put music on my phone? and make the song small but sound good still.

oooh ooooh let me guess... windows media player?

Well i guess i sounded stupid by putting the question of what program to use to put the songs on to the phone. But what program should i use to convert the file into a smaller one without making the song quality crap?

Small MP4 files...
I use dbpoweramp to compress mp3's into mp4 files with an enhance aac plus encoder. I use tcpmp player to play them, but WMP will play them as well... there is just a noticeable pop every now and then in WMP.
http://home.case.edu/bes7/db_EnhAACPlus_710.zip - to the plugin for dBpoweramp
http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=7107&page=1&pp=15 - to the original thread about it.
This is the pluggin to use... I compress the mp3's down to 32kbit stereo and they sound amazing. A typical 4mb mp3 turns out to be around 900kb or so... you can store TONS more music... and there is very little quality loss.
Hope this is helpful...
Mark

Thank you.. thats what i was looking for

Well i downloaded the file and unziped it to my desktop. Now im confused as what to do with it. when i try to run the programs from inside the folder a black screen pops up then goes away. Im new to all of this stuff So any help would be great thanks

Which musicplayer do you use on the HD?

I am curious, which player do you use and which is the best on the HD (no D-Pad). Which player makes the HD a real competitor to the iPod Touch / iPhone (in playing music).
I Like the Pocket Player. Nice Browsing through albums, many settingoptions, nice design.

I use the HTC one, it works and sounds pretty good ..

Coreplayer .... many many threads and posts about this ....

I'm trying out Pocketmusic (seems OK so far) as I can't get the TF3D thingie to work with more than a handful of tracks loaded, and anyway it seems a bit of a toy compared to what I've used before (pTunes on PalmOS), and it doesn't support .ogg files.

brainfogs said:
Coreplayer .... many many threads and posts about this ....
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Btw, do you have any idea how to setup the fading in core player? you know, fading, so that when a song terminates the next one starts with 1-2 seconds overlapping, so it doesnt have the silence break..
thanks,
ionutz

Pocket Tunes is very good.
But, they don't have a WVGA skin yet. One thing that I found to be useful is the good bluetooth handling they have and the redirection of podcasts to a mono headset.
Regards, D

you also have Kinoma Play. Excellent as music player.

GSplayer old but very good

Ive been using the TF3D-player up until yesterday when i installed Coreplayer.
The sound and equalizer is much better in Coreplayer.

nizzon said:
Ive been using the TF3D-player up until yesterday when i installed Coreplayer.
The sound and equalizer is much better in Coreplayer.
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But i think an intuitive interface is also very important. i like the interface of S2P but the coverflow is not very smooth. Currently i am using pocket player but i hope there will be some good ipod-like-mediaplayer soon.

TF3d music tab sounds way better than Windows media player..I just got coreplayer...I may start using it if the sound quality is better.

S2P for me!
As for me, I use S2P! I've been using it since it first came out, when I was using my "old" Touch. Now i've got the latest OpenGL S2P from A-C, and love it,think its a great player, and would recommend it to anyone.
But I do understand that everyone has their personal choice,so if u're looking for a music player, try several and see what suits you best!

I'm a huge MortPlayer fan, it plays my ogg files perfectly. The new beta version is MortPlayer 3.31 b76 which comes with a skin made for the HD resolution Highly Recommended.

I use "conduits pocket player". Amongst other things, it has the features I most want from an mp3/media player. The most important features for me are; The screen turns off at a configurable time, it has a configurable sleep timer, It pauses for phone calls and resumes playing on completion. I can control the pause and rewind (volume up and volume down buttons respectively) from my pocket. I think it is a great player.

I use HTC TF3D sound...

I'm testing Pocket Player - and so far I'm liking it. I just wish the default skin was nicer. So far I haven't found any other skins that are wvga and have the functionality + large cover photo like the default skin. And I wish you could navigate in full screen mode.
I tried the iPhone looking skin found in the xda forums, but the album cover is still too small (for my taste), and that skin doesn't have the functionality of the default skin.
So far the TF3D player and Pocket Player are my favorites (I've already tried all of the other ones on the poll list above). We'll see which one I end up using more often.

I used to use S2P but am happy with the HTC one, links up with my BT headphones and sounds quite good.

No winamp on its way to WM 6.1?

I am using MortPlayer for all music playing, it even wakes me up in the morning (that was the reason I started using it back in WM5 times: it was able to "awake" my HTC Wizard, while the implemented clock was not ...)
But MortPlayer is much more than this, it is easy to listen to live audio streams, MP3, OGG files and to create playlists or run through folder collections. A great player, indeed!
Eriol

TF3D - simple and good audio quality. Composing playlist is somehow difficult because you dont see the full ID3 info. Loading takes some time when you have many audiofiles and to say the truth .... i don´t have soooo many - about 1-2GB only.
All other players have one problem, i have to start them, they don´t look as cool as TF3D and aren´t so user/thumbfriendly as TF3D - except for Mortplayer carscreen.

My search for a good TP2 music player.

Requirements:
1) Has the ability to use the "Album Artist" tag to organize its library and not just the "Artist" tag. For those many who do not understand the importance of this let me say it makes a huge difference with CD's such as movie soundtracks, classical music CD's and other compilations that have one or more guest artists contributing on a particular track.
For example, take the soundtrack for "O Brother, Where Art Thou". There are 19 tracks and nearly every one by a different artist. If that one CD was the only CD on your TP2 and you opened the library of one of the current mobile media players and selected the "Artist" view you would see 19 different artists listed each owning the CD "O Brother, Where Art Thou". If instead the media player was able to organize its library by the "Album Artist" tag there would only be a single entry for "Various Artists" or "Original Soundtrack".
On a 16 GB SD card with several hundred ripped CD's this can be the difference between a managable artist list 200 long versus one that is 1000+ long and totally unmanagable.
2) Proper alphabetization; Ignores the words "A" and "The" if they begin an artist name. For example, "The Black Crowes" should be in the B's not the T's. It's OK that "Bob Dylan" be listed in the B's since there is no way to distinguish first and last names. I don't know of any media player on any platform that does this.
3) Uses a library Db created from tags and not just a folder/file structure. Can open a detailed properties view that gives extended info culled from tags and file data. (Genre, Audio format, etc.)
4) Has a "Finger-friendly" GUI and ideally can replace the HTC media player on the TF3D music tab.
Apps tested (so far)
1) HTC Media Player:
It's big plus is that it has a tab in TF3D so it is well integrated and easy to get to. It is also finger friendly. Unfortunately it does not utilize the "Album Artist" tag for organizing it's library (even though it does read the tag and display it when you view a music files properties). It also does not ignore "A" and "The" and places "The Black Crowes" under the T's. In addition I have found a bug that causes it to play tracks out of order. On most of the albums I've put on my SD card tracks 1 and 6 are switched (i.e. it shows and plays the tracks in the following order 6,2,3,4,5,1,7,8,9. On some albums the track order is even more random.
2) Windows Mobile Media Player:
"The Black Crowes" is properly listed in the B's but it also does not organize its library by the "Album Artist" tag (even though the full PC version of WMP does). Its default GUI is not very finger friendly, the buttons are a bit small and the library text is too small to be selected accurately with fingers. It is skinnable so I'm looking for one that fits the TP2's TF3D style and better suited to fingers versus a stylus. I'm also trying to put it on the TF3D music tab instead of the HTC media player.
3) Nitrogen:
Does not seem to utilize tags at all and instead relies on the folder structure and file names to organize music. It does have nice big buttons and is very finger friendly and the skin fits well in TF3D even though it is black text/buttons on a white background instead of TF3D's white on a black background.
4) S2P (Slide to Play):
Like Nitrogen it does not utilize tags at all and relies on the folder structure and file names to organize music. It is designed to be finger friendly and has an interesting GUI that makes good use of finger swipes and sliding panels.
5) ? Suggestions:
Most important is the album artist tag issue followed by the proper alphabetization. So far I prefer to use Windows Media Player but am still looking.
I've heard that Microsoft will be incorporating its Zune interface for the Windows mobile media player. I've never seen the Zune interface up close but I'm hoping it addresses the above shortcomings and, if so, bacomes avaiable to the TP2 soon.
S

Reserved for future media player reviews.
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+1 !!!!
I have exactly the same problem !
I past 3 hours to manage my music PC library of WMP to finaly have a very poor result on my phone :'(
The Music Player integrate on the touchflow looks pretty, but it miss a lot of utilities, WMP looks more complet, but uggly and too small :'(
Both of theme have the problem of the "listing tag"
I'm also seeking for a complet music player with a good listin and if it's possible a "cover flow".
(Sorry for my poor english).

You have tested the core player 1.3.5 or 1.3.6?
I have a nice skin for this player...

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You have tested the core player 1.3.5 or 1.3.6?
I have a nice skin for this player...
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I have not but I want to. Unfortunately, it does not look like it has a trial edition so it will cost me $30 to find out if it has what I need. Can you tell me if it can make use of the "Album Artist" tag for library organization and/or if it properly alphabetizes "The Band" under the B's not the T's?
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I'm currently using S2P.
It's the most feature complete of all the players I've tried. It's almost perfect.
I'd recommend giving S2P a try.
http://s2p.ac-s2.com/

Maverick777 said:
I'm currently using S2P.
It's the most feature complete of all the players I've tried. It's almost perfect.
I'd recommend giving S2P a try.
http://s2p.ac-s2.com/
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I updated my OP with S2P info.
After using both Nitrogen and S2P I had 2nd thoughts on the tag vs. file/folder structure to organize a music library. As long as the artist folders are named correctly both the "Album Artist" and the alphabetization issues are solved.
Unfortunately that requires a lot of manual labor and also means there is no extended info available. I have put an enormous amount of work into properly tagging my music library on my media server at home and I would like to benefit from that work on my TP2 as well as any other playback devices I might use.
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I asked CorePlayer support about the "Album Artist" tag and alpha issue last Saturday. Today I got an email saying that I haven't responded in 72 hrs and could they close the case. They never even tried to answer me. Simply ignored me for nearly a week and then asked if the issue was resolved and could they close the case!
I still don't know if CP will meet my needs but their support sure looks like crap.
S

I might as well chime in here, I'm looking for other media players like tcpmp that resume where you left off even after you close it fully. I listen to a lot of audio books and it's a pain to find your place again. Tcpmp is the only one I've seen but it's a bit unwieldy to use with fingers.

CorePlayer's support is TERRIBLE, they also promise frequent updates an seldom provide. A huge thumbs down to the company and product in general. They banned my office IP without explanation from their forums after I asked why no one had responded to my emails, support tickets, and phone calls, about a bug I found in their forum software that makes it unable to e-mail me at the .ws domain, preventing me from being unable to activate my account on their forum. Unfortunately it is also one of the better players out there in general. Though it is very UN finger friendly.

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I might as well chime in here, I'm looking for other media players like tcpmp that resume where you left off even after you close it fully. I listen to a lot of audio books and it's a pain to find your place again. Tcpmp is the only one I've seen but it's a bit unwieldy to use with fingers.
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Try S2P links in posts above. It will do exactally what you need, I listen to alot of Podcasts in small portions and it does the trick. Its finger friendly too

It's a shame that S2P doesn't support gapless playback (I listen to primarily DJ compilations (mostly that I've ripped myself... kinda a stickler for quality)
Conduit's Pocket Player is also good, it supports streaming podcasts album art and gapless playback/cross-fading (you gotta set the cross-fade to "0" for gapless). It cost about $20 but if you can't afford that it can be obtained via other means as well.
Forgot to mention that sometimes pocket player will disable my hardware buttons >_<, this has only happened on my TP2 though, sucks none-the-less.

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I asked CorePlayer support about the "Album Artist" tag and alpha issue last Saturday. Today I got an email saying that I haven't responded in 72 hrs and could they close the case. They never even tried to answer me. Simply ignored me for nearly a week and then asked if the issue was resolved and could they close the case!
I still don't know if CP will meet my needs but their support sure looks like crap.
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CorePlayer's support is TERRIBLE, they also promise frequent updates an seldom provide. A huge thumbs down to the company and product in general. They banned my office IP without explanation from their forums after I asked why no one had responded to my emails, support tickets, and phone calls, about a bug I found in their forum software that makes it unable to e-mail me at the .ws domain, preventing me from being unable to activate my account on their forum. Unfortunately it is also one of the better players out there in general. Though it is very UN finger friendly.
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Wow. Their support is so bad it's almost comical. Almost.
After going a few rounds of them ignoring my questions and closing the ticket because there was no response and me re-opening the ticket in an apparently vain attempt to get my questions answered I joined their user forum and asked if I could get some help because official support was ignoring me. The next morning I had been permanently banned.
Absolutely amazing.
Needless to say I will not become a paying customer and I cannot review the product here as a result.
S

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Needless to say I will not become a paying customer and I cannot review the product here as a result.
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You can get the player through a less legal way:X Read this info and try it, it will stick with you
I'm having the same problems, I'm looking for the exact same things. Here my reviews:
Touch Flow 3D Player:
Pro's:
- Finger friendly
- Looks good
Con's:
- Ordering of songs FAIL ( when no track number is set, the whole list goes crazy )
- Slow ( It will need 2 secs to start-up a song )
- When you go back to the list you selected your current playing song from, it will go back to the top. Which is extremely enoying when your browsing 80+ albums or 2000+ songs, anyway, you get my point
Media Player:
con's
- Not finger friendly + Looks suck => Dropped it right away
S2P:
Pro's
- Best looking of all players
- Finger Friendly
con's
- SLOW
- No library => Dropped it right away
CorePlayer:
pro's:
- Best Library of all players
- Has an Alphabetic Vertical Scroll, when you press the 'B' it will go to all songs / albums ( depending on what your browsing ) that start with B. Extremely handy
- Browsing works well with fingers.
- After picking a good theme, the whole thing becomes more finger friendly and will look better ( for example my own theme: http://reb3lzrr.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=9&thread_id=27&pid=122#post_122 )
- BEST when it comes down to options / custimization
con's:
- Default theme is NOT finger friendly and looks terrible, but that can be fixed
when your looking for a player that;
- orders your music in a way you want it,
- has a lot of tweaks / customizations
- handles like a charm
go for CorePlayer!
Gz reb3lzrr

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reb3lzrr, Is your skin for Pocket player or Core player? If it is able to work in Core player, how do you change the skin in core player

have you tried kinoma media player? Finger friend and very intuitive interface.

I just installed a 30-day trial of Pocket Media Player and reb3lzrr's skin.
Good news is that it understands the "Album Artist" tag as well as the "Contributing Artist" tag and many others as well. Very good sign.
Bad news is that it sorts "The Beatles" incorrectly under T instead of B I did see a setting in the options that might help with that. /crosses fingers
There is a ton of options that will take me some time to sort thru so it will be a good week or so playing around with it.
After this I'll take a look at Kinoma.
S

sleonard said:
I updated my OP with S2P info.
After using both Nitrogen and S2P I had 2nd thoughts on the tag vs. file/folder structure to organize a music library. As long as the artist folders are named correctly both the "Album Artist" and the alphabetization issues are solved.
Unfortunately that requires a lot of manual labor and also means there is no extended info available. I have put an enormous amount of work into properly tagging my music library on my media server at home and I would like to benefit from that work on my TP2 as well as any other playback devices I might use.
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If you sync your music to your phone via windows media player it automatically creates the mp3 files in an artist and album folder structure (completely based off of the info from the mp3s).

Does anyone know how to remove the 499 song limit from your WinMo/Touch Flo player library? I am dying here with my Rhapsody subscription... All the songs are transfered, but only 499 tracks show up in the library...
I have tried S2P: great but doesn't handle compliation albums (soundtracks) well... Pocket Player: same story on compliations... and a few other free ware ones, but seriously, I actually like the WMP with the Skins I have found.
Any ideas on removing it?

japper88 said:
If you sync your music to your phone via windows media player it automatically creates the mp3 files in an artist and album folder structure (completely based off of the info from the mp3s).
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I do use WMP to sync music to my phone and you're right it does create the proper folder structure and this is why I briefly reconsidered my position on having a library with support for the Album Artist tag but since it doesn't support any tags at all you lose access to all of the metadata.
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Does anyone know how to remove the 499 song limit from your WinMo/Touch Flo player library? I am dying here with my Rhapsody subscription... All the songs are transfered, but only 499 tracks show up in the library...
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I have not noticed this limit. I have over 2000 songs synced to my phone and they all seem to show up. (I haven't counted but I can't find any missing)
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I have tried S2P: great but doesn't handle compliation albums (soundtracks) well... Pocket Player: same story on compliations... and a few other free ware ones, but seriously, I actually like the WMP with the Skins I have found.
Any ideas on removing it?
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I have found Pocket Player to be the only one to properly handle compilations because it is the only one to support the Album Artist tag. Use WMP on the PC to set the Album Artist to "Various Artists" or "Soundtrack" and Pocket Player will work perfectly. Their support has told me that in the next version they will also support proper alphbetization so the "The Beatles" will be listed in the library under B not T.
I also like WMP a lot and have found a skin that makes it more finger friendly. Now I am thinking about learning how to make my own skins for it.
Currently I am back to using the Music tab of TF3D. Despite it's very annoying bugs and design flaws having a TF3D tab is a BIG advantage. I just wish there was a way to create a tab for a 3rd party player such as Pocket Player.
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HD2 Music player questions, suggestions needed.

Okay, so now that I'm committed to the HD2, I'm also committing to fix or remedy the issues I have with the device. I've gotten it to run smoothly, except for the Sense music player.
First, is it normal for it to scan for music every time it's powered on, or unplugged from USB? You would think it would save an "image" of your library to run off while it scans the SD card for new files, but no. Instead, it scans for several minutes, in which time it won't display any artists or albums and lags horribly. Am I missing a setting, or have my library sorted incorrectly? Right now it's setup as root/music/artist/album/mp3, fwiw.
Also, the gap between tracks is terribly annoying. It totally kills mix cd's that are cut into tracks, and ruins the flow of a lot of albums. Is there a way to get rid of this, like the "skip silence" function in iTunes? I knowIf not, is there an app that scans and removes silence from the beginning/end of my mp3's as a batch process? For example, point the app to my music folder, and let it scan/trim silence from each mp3 automatically?
Other than these problems, I really like the music player... but these things are serious dealbreakers for me. If there's no way around them, is there a music player you can suggest that does these things?
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. I really don't think these things are a lot to ask from a music player, and I'm hoping there's a way to make it happen.

+1 i too has this same issue

Yes, this happens. People have suggested a music player called nitrogen, but I haven't really messed with it to know how good it is or not.

Yes the HTC Sense music player can be one of the problems with this phone, especially for larger music collections, and/or ones stored on the card....mostly due to the less-than-efficient way it indexes the music. The two cabs I have attached should help you with that somewhat. The first one adds indexing to the startup group, so it should be pre-indexed by the time you decide to open the music tab. The second one turns on caching on the card, which should also help speed up the indexing and access times on the music tab.
As for the gaps between tracks, I've never seen a solution for that other than manually trimming the files...but even that won't totally remove the gap. I listen to a lot of full-length mix CD's too and the way I get around this issue is to just rip the CD as one full-length mp3, instead of as individual tracks. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is the free utility I use for that

sirphunkee said:
Yes the HTC Sense music player can be one of the problems with this phone, especially for larger music collections, and/or ones stored on the card....mostly due to the less-than-efficient way it indexes the music. The two cabs I have attached should help you with that somewhat. The first one adds indexing to the startup group, so it should be pre-indexed by the time you decide to open the music tab. The second one turns on caching on the card, which should also help speed up the indexing and access times on the music tab.
As for the gaps between tracks, I've never seen a solution for that other than manually trimming the files...but even that won't totally remove the gap. I listen to a lot of full-length mix CD's too and the way I get around this issue is to just rip the CD as one full-length mp3, instead of as individual tracks. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is the free utility I use for that
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Hey, thanks for the help!
I have several mixes ripped as a single track, but it's hardly convenient. I just hope HTC is aware of this, and working on a solution for an upcoming ROM release. I definitely won't be holding my breath, though.

I've tried a bunch of different music players and the only one I have found that doesn't have the silences in between the songs is Pocket Player. Its a paid music player but if you have a large music library or listen to music a lot its by far the best solution out there.

speoples20 said:
I've tried a bunch of different music players and the only one I have found that doesn't have the silences in between the songs is Pocket Player. Its a paid music player but if you have a large music library or listen to music a lot its by far the best solution out there.
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I actually tried that out last night, v4.1, and I found it really clunky, with poor sound quality compared to the stock music player. Maybe I don't have the latest version, but I really didn't like it much.
Is there any other music players that have an interface similar to stock? Even if it doesn't have gapless playback, it's more likely that a dev would update the app more frequently than HTC.

gilla409 said:
I actually tried that out last night, v4.1, and I found it really clunky, with poor sound quality compared to the stock music player. Maybe I don't have the latest version, but I really didn't like it much.
Is there any other music players that have an interface similar to stock? Even if it doesn't have gapless playback, it's more likely that a dev would update the app more frequently than HTC.
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Next try nitrogen and TCPMP