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I have an AT&T account through my work so I'm a bit limited in options. I currently have the AT&T 8525 (Hermes) and was planning to upgrade to the Sony X1 or X1a.
However, it seems that the Touch Pro (Fuse) will shortly be available for arround $300US via AT&T vs the X1 at $675 US from the UK or the X1a at $799 in the near future from Sony (unlocked).
I like the X1/X1a... but is it really work ~$400US extra?
Thoughts?
I've owned the Touch pro under Att (NO 3G in my area) and it was great to have the xperia just seems to be on a whole other level. The keyboard on the touch pro is magnificient and i truly hate the xperia keyboard. Everything else about the xperia is just perfect. I paid like 920 for mine with a 16GB card and if they said it would cost 300 bucks more i would've still bought it.
I believe u can get the fuze right now from att's website. So i guess the choice is yours. I would say get the xperia. No doubt about it
I ran your response by my wife... afraid it didn't pass the wife test :-(! I've never paid more than $300US for a phone.... so it's really hard to justify. I wonder if the X1 will be like the Touch HD and never sold by AT&T?
Its possible, maybe wait ill january and if theres no xperia announcement then go with the touch pro. Also places like expansys and other handset sellers offer discounts on the xperia if you buy a att contract through them
I just upgraded from the 8525 too and no matter which one you pick its gonna be soo much better. =)
I agree with Bxsteez, the xperia is on a whole other level. If you want a phone capable of being your phone, pda, and music/video player then the x1 is your choice. But if money is an issue then the Touch Pro makes as an awesome choice as well, especially with the phone price of AT&T brand compared to the x1 being almost a $600 difference its very hard to justify getting the x1 over the fuze now.
The X1a has already been announced. You can order starting today, shipping starts on the 28th. It will be $800 unlocked. check infosyncworld.com for more info. It was announced yesterday
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The X1a has already been announced. You can order starting today, shipping starts on the 28th. It will be $800 unlocked. check infosyncworld.com for more info. It was announced yesterday
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That's another issue... The 2 US places I've seen it offered (Sony Store and J&R) are only listing the silver version. I'd really wanted the black :-(!
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That's another issue... The 2 US places I've seen it offered (Sony Store and J&R) are only listing the silver version. I'd really wanted the black :-(!
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You should read what people are saying about the blk one on howardforums. They say their paint is chipping or something like that.
You know what, if you have to create a new contract w/ AT&T anyway, buy the Touch Pro and sell it on eBay. Then the cost to own this eye catching baby is not that much.
Don't see how this deserves a poll, but I found this --> Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1i Silver + AT&T Unlimited Plan ($129.99/Month, 24 Months, Unlimited Voice & Data), #X1iSLV-ATTUNLTD - eXpansys Inc
They might make another deal for the X1a too after release, but I'm an Australian so I don't know too much about it.
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Don't see how this deserves a poll, but I found this --> Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1i Silver + AT&T Unlimited Plan ($129.99/Month, 24 Months, Unlimited Voice & Data), #X1iSLV-ATTUNLTD - eXpansys Inc
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They want $589US for the phone and then $129US/mo (2 year commitment) for unlimited voice and data.
I pay about $35US/month for unlimited data and $0.06US/min for voice (via my company plan), so this doesn't seem like a good deal for me. But thanks for pointing out another option.
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You know what, if you have to create a new contract w/ AT&T anyway, buy the Touch Pro and sell it on eBay. Then the cost to own this eye catching baby is that that much.
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Now that's creative ! Thanks for the suggestion!
Yea that's probably best. Get the Fuze on a new number from letstalk.com for free, unlock it and sell it on ebay or something to offset the price of the X1a =)
Dunno why people say the X1's keyboard is abysmal compared to the touch pro. I actually thought quite the opposite... the touch pro's keys were so small and so close together where as the X1's is nice and spaced out I don't make any errors. Plus the angled screen helps too.
Don't even get me started on that cluster of buttons they call a d-pad.
X1 is worth it...
I owned the TP (European model) and other than the 3G that I now get on U.S. ATT with the Xperia, there are other reasons I'm happy with the X1.
These all have been mentioned before but there is no GPS lag, I get 30fps video at 640x480 (record and playback) and the finger prints aren't nearly as bad.
None of these things are fixed with the ATT FUZE. The things I miss from the TP is the 5 row keyboard and the excellerometer (G-sensor). For me, the other X1 advantages outweigh those two things though.
This thread is very helpful since I'm also seriously considering these 2 devices. I'm leaning toward the xperia, but I'm concerned about a few things.
1) Exactly how bad is the xperia keyboard? Every review says it's horrible compared to the Fuze. I had a chance to play around with the fuze keyboard only. It felt OK but my experience is limited with any type of keyboards, but would like to use more on my next phone, so this is important for me. Is it just a matter of getting used to on the xperia keyboard, or is it just unusable, as some reviews had indicated.
2) Next question is what is it that the xperia has over the fuze? Other than 3.5 jack and panels (which some people don't even like), is there anything that the xperia has over the fuze hands down? Does the 0.2 cm screen make it worth it? It seems like, on the other hand, the fuze has some important hardware advantage, including the g-sensor.
3) Build-wise, is xperia that much better? The fuze seems to be fairly solid, but I haven't had a chance to touch the xperia, so can't compare.
4) Is there any gps lag on the xperia similar to that experienced by fuze users?
The bottom line is $500 difference is a lot (hopefully, the difference won't be as much once it's more mainstream). I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth the money, and for now, worth the wait.
1) Exactly how bad is the xperia keyboard? Every review says it's horrible compared to the Fuze. I had a chance to play around with the fuze keyboard only. It felt OK but my experience is limited with any type of keyboards, but would like to use more on my next phone, so this is important for me. Is it just a matter of getting used to on the xperia keyboard, or is it just unusable, as some reviews had indicated.
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the difference between the keyboards is like apples and chicken lol.. I mean u can use the xperia keyboard but the keys are very flat and its kinda difficult to press the keys. I don't think its as bad as the HTC Wizard. I'd say its about equivalent to the TYTN II with the TYTN II being a tad better.
2) Next question is what is it that the xperia has over the fuze? Other than 3.5 jack and panels (which some people don't even like), is there anything that the xperia has over the fuze hands down? Does the 0.2 cm screen make it worth it? It seems like, on the other hand, the fuze has some important hardware advantage, including the g-sensor.
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When you hold the xperia it just feels so much more solid everything moves smoother. I personally believe the xperia is some how drastically faster. The xperia can run tfl3d and the panels but from what i've been seeing they are trying to port the panels to htc devices. The screen on the xperia is much more sensitive and ur less likely to scratch the xperia's screen since its recessed. Lets see. I hate the xperia's tiny call and end buttons but i love the little optical pad. I hated the touch pro's surface buttons because they just felt cheap. hmmm i think that is about it
3) Build-wise, is xperia that much better? The fuze seems to be fairly solid, but I haven't had a chance to touch the xperia, so can't compare.
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The feel of the xperia is just amazing i don't even know how to describe it. I've held a ton of full qwerty smartphones all HTC phones and this is by far the best one. How the keyboard comes out how its curved everything is just so perfect.
4) Is there any gps lag on the xperia similar to that experienced by fuze users?
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I experience gps lag on every device if its the first time ur running gps from a cold start. I think the xperia's has the least lag but its still pretty bad at first.
The bottom line is $500 difference is a lot (hopefully, the difference won't be as much once it's more mainstream). I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth the money, and for now, worth the wait.
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I can't really make the decision for you but i would say i'd pay an extra 500 dollars on top of what i paid for this phone and i paid 920 dollars for it with a 16GB card. I don't think i even want to switch to a different phone. I've never said that when i bought a phone and i've had the wizard, tytn, tytn II, touch pro, and a bunch of other smartphones like the s710, qtek 8310(don't know what this in htc lingo), mpx 200, and mpx220
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the difference between the keyboards is like apples and chicken lol.. I mean u can use the xperia keyboard but the keys are very flat and its kinda difficult to press the keys. I don't think its as bad as the HTC Wizard. I'd say its about equivalent to the TYTN II with the TYTN II being a tad better.
When you hold the xperia it just feels so much more solid everything moves smoother. I personally believe the xperia is some how drastically faster. The xperia can run tfl3d and the panels but from what i've been seeing they are trying to port the panels to htc devices. The screen on the xperia is much more sensitive and ur less likely to scratch the xperia's screen since its recessed. Lets see. I hate the xperia's tiny call and end buttons but i love the little optical pad. I hated the touch pro's surface buttons because they just felt cheap. hmmm i think that is about it
The feel of the xperia is just amazing i don't even know how to describe it. I've held a ton of full qwerty smartphones all HTC phones and this is by far the best one. How the keyboard comes out how its curved everything is just so perfect.
I experience gps lag on every device if its the first time ur running gps from a cold start. I think the xperia's has the least lag but its still pretty bad at first.
I can't really make the decision for you but i would say i'd pay an extra 500 dollars on top of what i paid for this phone and i paid 920 dollars for it with a 16GB card. I don't think i even want to switch to a different phone. I've never said that when i bought a phone and i've had the wizard, tytn, tytn II, touch pro, and a bunch of other smartphones like the s710, qtek 8310(don't know what this in htc lingo), mpx 200, and mpx220
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thanks for that i'm a fellow wizard user also this is my current device and it's a toss up between the x1 and the touch pro the touch pro (fuze) seems to be the more economical choice given the pricing but i just like the overall of the x1 but the price for one of those things is outrageous a person on boygeniusreport made a good point it should be no reason why cell phones cost more then laptops either the phones should be cheaper or the voice and data plans should be cheaper
I dunno about that. The smaller ur laptop gets the more expensive it gets. Once u step away from the average user things get expensive. A regular 15.4 inch laptop will cost u nothing but if u get an ultraportable they start getting pretty expensive and extremely weak in power, with the exception of those new badass atom processors. U kinda have to keep in mind this is also a phone. Most laptops aren't walking around with internet connections all the time although u could ;-)
I truly hate the fuze. I'm quite upset they got rid of the ctrl key so i assume u can't do the shortcuts anymore but i will see. I'll be using my upgrade to get a fuze pretty soon just to have it as a back up and i'll write up a comparison to that too.
I currently own both the FUZE and X1i...
Guess what? I'm a HUGE X1 fanboy. Love it...
But, also LOVE the FUZE. And, for me, it might actually be a better all around phone.. Sure the screen isnt as large, the pixels are smaller, and it's a tad slower, but, I love the iphone-like (capacitative) touchscreen. It rocks.
I really like not having edges on my screen. One of the best things about the iphone IMHO. This is a huge selling point on the FUZE
Both phones are similar in call quality- excellent. So far I like the FUZE keyboard a tad better... Haven't really tested all the features, but, as far as the video recording on the X1, I've found it does not live up to the hype... I get HSDPA on both, so they browse the web uber fast....
Anyways, both phones rock. I think this thread is a little biased. The FUZE really has a ton of great qualitites, and, it comes down to a matter of personal preference and needs..
Like I said, both phones are fantastic (I've owned every high end WM phone in the last 3 years) and these 2 are by far the best (have not yet tried Touch HD, but really need physical qwerty anyways)
All in all, you can't go wrong with either one..
Feel free to ask any more questions..
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I currently own both the FUZE and X1i...
Guess what? I'm a HUGE X1 fanboy. Love it...
But, also LOVE the FUZE. And, for me, it might actually be a better all around phone.. Sure the screen isnt as large, the pixels are smaller, and it's a tad slower, but, I love the iphone-like (capacitative) touchscreen. It rocks.
I really like not having edges on my screen. One of the best things about the iphone IMHO. This is a huge selling point on the FUZE
Both phones are similar in call quality- excellent. So far I like the FUZE keyboard a tad better... Haven't really tested all the features, but, as far as the video recording on the X1, I've found it does not live up to the hype... I get HSDPA on both, so they browse the web uber fast....
Anyways, both phones rock. I think this thread is a little biased. The FUZE really has a ton of great qualitites, and, it comes down to a matter of personal preference and needs..
Like I said, both phones are fantastic (I've owned every high end WM phone in the last 3 years) and these 2 are by far the best (have not yet tried Touch HD, but really need physical qwerty anyways)
All in all, you can't go wrong with either one..
Feel free to ask any more questions..
Dbond
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I must say i have to agree with the flush screen in the sense that i have fat fingers and its much easier to close apps on the fuze/touch pro. Now that i think about it i never used the stylus on the touch pro but i do find myself using it on the xperia.
Hey all,
I know everyone here is a Hero user probably. I'm a current HTC Touch Pro user and wanted to switch to the HTC Hero. However, today the Samsung Moment was announced and hardware wise it seems to be everything I wanted from the Hero...but without the software (HTC Sense). I'm very familiar with the HTC interface through Touch Pro rom hacks/upgrades and would want the Sense UI on the Moment (and am assuming it may be possible but only through Rom flashes not just an apk install). Anyway, what other reasons would you all say its worth just getting the Hero? Or should I just wait the extra 3 weeks and get the Moment? Ugh, so frustrating...thanks!
Always have faith in the people here at XDA
That said you have 30 days to exchange......
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Except that the Samsung phone might never "feature" here as it's not an HTC device!
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I also reached this dilemma, but have decided to purchase the Hero when it comes out on sunday, and if I dislike it, I'll have the 30 days to use it then trade it for the Moment. I too would desire the sense UI on the Moment, and also I haven't read anywhere if the Moment's screen is capacitive or not.
I'm pretty sure both the Hero and the Moment have capacitive screens.
I'm in the same boat as you -- currently using a Touch Pro and extremely sick of Windows Mobile. Is Sense UI a bigger improvement over the standard Android interface than, say TouchFlo is over Titanium? Because I'm fine with Titanium. I actually prefer that it's so much snappier than TF3D.
Also, does XDA ever support non-HTC phones? Will there ever be roms for the Moment? It just seems like a far better choice than the Hero, hardware-wise.
Awesome, if it's capacitive, I am definitely getting it.
I like the Sense UI because of the widgets and customizing aspect of it, easy access to twitter, facebook, contacts, etc...
But I will sacrifice it for better hardware
Capactive yes, but I have yet to read if it supports multi touch. Thats the screen factor I'm most interested in. This makes for much better on screen typing. The on screen keyboard is pretty good in landscape, so I'll live without the qwerty. It's one more mechanical system to fail as well.
From what I've seen the HTC interface on Andoid does not cause much lag as opposed to TF3D does to winmo. I came from a touch diamond to the touch to run the android port and it's sick, even stripped down android is better than winmo imo.
I pre-ordered the hero from Best Buy and am a rewards zone member, so I get to pick mine up tomorrow (they have them in tonight ) Reading that post on the Moment introduction gave me second thoughts, but the phone prior to the Diamond was an Instinct, leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
So which phone does everybody think they will mod the most...?..The Hero since its HTC or the Moment...I do like the physical keyboard on the Moment, but I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow..I am so confused...I hate it..LoL..
Although I'm HTC all the way, I have to say, Samsung has them beat in every category really in my playbook. Yes the 5MP on the Hero is better and the device is more pocketable (plus of course Sense which brought up this original dillemma) but I have to wonder, aren't most of the sense widgets (except say the dialer and the contact interface) just simple .APK files that I can put on the Moment if I go that route? I must say though, I think a phone's software is what makes the hardware shine. That being said, a lot of great hardware implemented the wrong way could lead to a fast but not so useful device. The dillemma is killing me but gladly I do have a Touch Pro, so I can live with a custom rom until Nov comes around and maybe even Dec so I can see the progress of porting the Hero's sw.
for me the question is 800 mhz and qwerty....oorrrr.....htc sense...i reallllly love sense...like alot alot it works great on my magic..but man 800mhz cpu is gonna be really great for flash content and emulators and hopefully somebody starts making a psx emulator for android
...but then again im pretty sure someone is going to port sense to the samsung if the brilliant developers here are able to port moto blur to g1s and magic
I'm in the same boat. I've been planning on getting the Hero since hearing it would be available on Sprint, but just saw the details of the Moment today and it gave me reason to reevaluate.
I prefer the Hero in every way except for the faster processor and the camera flash of the Moment. The OLED screen is a wash because although the picture is better, I've heard the transflective LCD screens are easier to read in direct sun, which is an important feature for me. I don't have an opinion on the trackpad vs trackball. And I think I'm in the minority because I'd rather not have the physical keyboard if it means any additional bulk. I also like what I've heard in the Hero reviews of the build quality and solid feel, while the first hands-on reports of the Moment comment that it feels "plastic-y" and a little cheaper. I've been pleased with the quality of the HTC phones I've had in the past and I think their support is pretty good too as far as getting updates out for their devices. Never dealt with Samsung before.
So, I'm still planning on sticking with the Hero and hopefully will have it in the next few days.
Ehh, if I was a keyboard junkie I'd go for the Moment. But I'm not; haven't had a hardware keyboard since 2007. I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow though.
It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
I have the hero and prefer SenseUI over standard Android (gf has the g1). The faster processor on the moment is a nice touch but I find the Hero's speed to suffice for my needs. Plus I love all the HTC widgets that don't come with standard Android..e.g. Peep, weather, etc. I think the next worthy upgrade is the HTC Dragon and the release date on that one is anyone's guess.
I have the same dilemma myself. I prefer the smaller size and virtual keyboard of the Hero as well as the sense ui.
The Moment's 800MHz processor will probably help with future Android enhancements which is important, since I will be with either the Hero or Moment for the next 2 years.
The Moment's camera is also most likely superior to the Hero's given Samsung's track record of decent optics. The Hero may have 5 MP, but every review says that its quality is only mediocre. Samsung phones have generally been very good despite lower resolutions. Since most of the time all my pictures are scaled down anyway, and neither of these are digital camera replacements, I would call the 5 MP/3 MP difference moot.
Also, it appears that the Moment may have better battery life judging purely from estimated talk time.
The camera and battery performance need to be verified though, so it looks like we will have to wait for a proper review.
It's a tough choice. While I would prefer HTC's sense ui, I really don't mind Android's vanilla interface either so it's more of a virtual keyboard/size/battery life issue for me.
If I know XDA well enough they'll be able to extract the Sense UI pretty quickly. Further, I could see rom cooks build this into future custom roms on the Samsung Moment.
Call me advantageous coming from a Touch Pro scene. I have complete faith in custom roms as they have provided real value to the TP with innovation pushing the scene.
After living with a slide out keyboard I find it much more reliable than a touch screen. So I'll be going with the Moment (unless another awesome device is released!)
I too am in the same boat as the others. With the announcement of the moment I am now puzzled at what route to go. I really would like SenseUI and have it natively built for my device like on the hero but im certainly a keyboard junkie. I will have to get both in my hand for a bit to be able to decide. If the build quality of the moment feels anything like the pre ill be off to the hero in a heartbeat.
Buy the Hero now, it'll be that much quicker till your contract expires and you can buy the Dragon in a year (18 months if not a premier customer)...
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It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
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The res may be smaller than the Touch Pro, ( which I just switched from ) but the screen is bigger, and it really looks just fine. I have an easier time reading the web with the Hero than I did with my TP. I wasn't really sure I could deal with a non-hardware keyboard, but am finding myself doing just fine with it. That said, November 1st and the Moment are less than 30 days away, and I don't think we've seen all the specs on the Moment, I'm looking forward to some of the Phone review websites getting their hands on one to see what they think. I imagine that someone somewhere will find a way to pull Sense out of the Hero, so it can be installed on other Android phones.
Doesn't the Samsung only have 256mb of RAM to the Hero's 288? That could be a dealbreaker.
I`m a bit confused right now ... i really loved the HTC evo 4G but since i live in India ... i cant get my hands on that...
The only good phones i am left with are desire , xperia x10 or samsung galaxy
Pls let me know which one should i go for
And i wanted to know how are the games in galaxy .. are they even comparable to iphone games??...
Hey there fellow Indian
I bought my phone a couple of weeks ago. To me, Xperia X10 wasn't even an option. It doesn't run 2.1, is very laggy according to all the reviews I checked, and is very overpriced given its drawbacks (32k in Bangalore two weeks ago).
So me and a friend were trying to decide between the Desire and SGS. On paper, SGS out-specs the Desire in almost every single aspect. Yet, the prices of the two phones were comparable. And that alone more than convinced me to buy the Galaxy. My friend, however, was of the opinion that he couldn't live without the Sense UI on the Desire. So he bought that one.
2 weeks later, I'm majorly disappointed with the Galaxy. GPS sucks to the core, there's almost always a lag when launching an app (anywhere between 1 and 6 seconds). His Desire, despite being a lot less powerful, is extremely snappy for everyday use. He's very happy with his choice. I really really hope the GPS issue is just a software one and not anything hardware related, and that a future update fixes it (although I'm starting to get skeptical). But I'm pretty sure the lag problem will be fixed pretty soon. I won't regret my decision if the GPS gets fixed. But if not, I'm never touching another Samsung ever again!!
About the games, no, there aren't as many good games for Android as for the iPhone. Only a handful of good graphic ones. I have a lot more games I like on my 1st gen iPod Touch than on my SGS.
Pick wisely. Good luck!
I almost got the X10, but for me the decision that swung me to the galaxy S was multitouch (the X10 keyboard is really bad because of the bad touchscreen) and two was the amount of media that will play on the galaxy S.
My workmate has the desire and it is damn nice, its a matter of preference really.
I do miss having the little optical tracker from an Samsung.
Well I have to admit that there are some issues with the SGS. The GPS was simply unusable before the JM2 firmware and the lags used to be quite bad too (but there are fairly simple fixes for that issue around here). The GPS is annoying but doesn't bug me as much since I can figure out where I am on a map within a minute even in big cities and the network based locations makes that even quicker so gps in general has very little added advantage for me. But: It's still far from good on the newest firmware and samsung still has to work on that.
The lags, however, I find to be almost completely gone if you use the latest firmware in combination with a task killer (i personally use autokiller on strict preset).
And altough I never noticed much difference for snappiness when compared to my friends desire, I have to say that the touchscreen on the SGS is so much more accurate and responsive. World of difference here.
As for comparison to the iPhone on games: Games for Android suck because Android applications in general have a lower quality level that iPhone apps. They just aren't as mature. For the games that do have good graphics, however, the SGS wipes the floor with anything apple can provide (yes, also the iPhone 4. The GPU of the SGS is some 3 times more powerful than that in the iP4)
The device specific issues (GPS and lags) will very likely be fixed in the official froyo release that is due somewhere next month and anything beyong that is a general issue for android which will gradually fade as google allows checkout methods other than creditcards (which are rather uncommon among european users) and devs realize that android is a market with absolutely speaking even more potential than iPhone because it's growing like crazy and the first android phones with good specs for about 130e are being released (a market in which apple simply cannot compete)
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At the moment (weighing all the issues that haven't been fixed as well as specs and future-proofness) I would say the following:
Desire=SGS>iP4<iP3GS
(For now, the desire is softwarewise almost flawless, however, the hardware is outdated compared to the SGS, inferior screen, crappy GPU, much less accurate touchscreen BUT everything is working whereas the SGS still has its issues. The iP4 has a mechanical design error (deathgrip) which is simply not present on any other phone on the market today and which makes calling in the position I find comfortable simply impossible. The iP3 works great but comes nowhere near the SGS or even the desire in terms of internal hardware. Only it touchscreen accuracy can beat the desire and the screen quality (especially resolution) is simply awful.)
Err... better don't discuss iPhone here. I might be tempted to tear down every arguments put up against it. LOL.
I was hugely disappointed when I first purchased after having owned and sold ky black desire which I was extremely happy with. That was 2 weeks ago after rooting and flashing JM2 firmware I'm extremely happy. Sammy gs is definitely better then any mobile out there at the moment, screen resolution is superior sound is superior camera video playback etc etc pretty much on every term. It's smooth fast and looks good. Touchwiz is not great buti customize is a breeze.
The sgs is 3 times faster than the iphone 3gs, the iphone 4 has the a4 cpu/gpu wich is same as sgs except for minor changes made by apple
For gaming I would definitly go for iphone at the time, android gaming is still a bit lacky so the sgs's hardware wont show it's power for now
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If apps are The most important factor then go with the iPhone 4 definitely, don't get wrong Android market does have somebrilliant apps however Apple have superior apps. But if you're looking for the best mobile experience in regards to the basic functions ie making calls text messaging emails and internet surfing then go with Sammy gs no question. Customization is brilliant whereas iPhone has and awful awful UI. One of the reasons I hate iPhone and + can't customize it as easily without jail breaking etc.
The SGS' GPU is better than the iPhone 4's: it's the PowerVR SGX 540, which is twice as fast as the SGX 535 in the iPhone 4. The larger market (and, probably, fewer hardware platforms) of the iPhone does mean that it has more and better-quality games though.
Those are the three phones I was considering also, since the EVO 4G isn't available in the UK (no CDMA networks for a start!), and I've decided now to go for the Galaxy S based on its hardware.
The only advantage the Xperia X10 has for me is its LCD-based screen; the others both have AMOLED screens on which text is less sharp due to the PenTile layout, but have higher contrast. Running Android 1.6 and apparently being generally slow count against it, and I have no interest in its TimeScape/MediaScape UIs. It only got rooted pretty recently despite being out for months, and it seems the bootloader hasn't been bypassed yet, so it's not looking like a great development platform.
The Desire has an AMOLED screen, but not Super AMOLED like the Galaxy S, so its sunlight visibility is worse, and its screen is smaller. It also doesn't have a good capacitive digitiser - I believe it only supports two points, and those can get swapped over. However, it has the generally well-thought-of Sense UI, and an active development community.
The Galaxy S has the best CPU (by a little) and the best GPU (by a lot), and the Super AMOLED screen ameliorates one of the drawbacks to having AMOLED (though text is still not as crisp as on an LCD). It seems it will have a decent development community, which is frustratingly fragmented on XDA since it has 5 different forums for the international version and the the 4 US variants. It's rooted and has a factory-unlocked bootloader though. The main drawbacks seem to be the lagging issue, which appears to be improved on newer firmwares, and can be fixed with the external SD card kernel, and the GPS problem, which various users have reported improvements with, but which isn't too critical for me. All my phones always seem to have slow GPS locks, and I don't use them for navigation. It also doesn't have a camera flash, but I rarely use the camera, and it lacks notification LEDs, which is a minor nuisance but there's already a program around to put a notification on the screen.
My perfect device built with current components would have a 4.3" LCD (not AMOLED), a 1GHz Hummingbird, have hardware front buttons, run HTC Sense and have a good chance of getting future Android updates, whether official or not. Unfortunately there is no such phone, and the closest won't work where I live, so I have to go with the phone that has the fewest compromises in areas I care about. So I'm going for the Galaxy S because software problems can be fixed, but hardware can't be changed.
My point of view, I owned all of them, I now use the SGS and love it
Desire - PRO`s - HTC Sense, Better FW, the opaque plastic wich is made of, more hand friendly, good screen (it uses less power than the super amoled, judging from the readings of the android), good sound quality, good camera with LED flash;
CON`s - Battery, touch pannel (I push the Menu button and the Notification pannel slides down for ex., and is too darn sensitive) crapy CPU, slow GFX, no EQ;
X10 - PRO`s - Battery is very good (lasts for 3-4 days with moderate usage), design, 8MP Camera with Image Stabiliser and LED flash, good sound quality;
CON`s - Crapy CPU, slow GFX, don`t like the UI, no EQ;
SGS - PRO`s - Great screen (super amoled), very fast CPU and GFX, nice UI, perfect response from the touch screen (no touch problems like on Desire), [email protected] video rec, great sound quality with EQ, great video performance (plays mkv 720p files without problems);
CON`s - Battery, fingerprint nightmare, the display uses allot of power compared to Desire`s AMOLED, GPS problems (fixed with new version of FW), design and menu resembles the iphone too much for my taste;
Hope it helps.
The Desire and X10 shouldn't really have significantly lower CPU power than the Galaxy S - they both have 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragons. The 1GHz Samsung Hummingbird (somehow) benches a little higher. The Snapdragon GPU is not particularly good, though, whereas the Hummingbird has the best on any mobile phone as far as I know.
Considering how Qualcomm built their own ARM Cortex A8 core which does more instructions per second than the reference design that the Hummingbird is based off, I don't quite understand why the Hummingbird is faster.
Desire is better for everyday use, for games and multimedia consider galaxy s...
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Why I will pick Samsung Galaxy S i9000 over Nexus One or HTC Desire
Hi Folks,
I wrote a short article on why I will pick up SGS i9000 over N1 or HTC Desire... thought, I will share with you all.
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Please do share your views
Thanks!
we actually have a topic about that already, but never the less, the more the merrier
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we actually have a topic about that already, but never the less, the more the merrier
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Thanks AllGamer
I am getting my device on this weekend - can't wait
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Hello Mr. Sunshine.... if people are allowed to post whine threads, then he should be allowed to post happy threads
Galaxy s vs desire vs x10 Poll
i wana purchase 1 of these phones . which you guys think is better and why?
X10, really? Just cross that one off the list. I'm fine with a lot of phones replacing it, X10 is just not even close to the league of whichever comes in second.
My buddy has the desire now he wishes he had the Samsung S
I want to start a thread with my own review, but im placing it here cause it's more like a thread-starter than actual review.
Usage of smartphones general, and why is Desire Z still extremely useful phone:
1. Hardware keyboard: there are many YT videos showing speed typing on various devices, like iPhone, and Android tablets/phones, but nothing can compare to the actual keyboard. the main advantage, in my opinion is the fact that for a very short time, one can learn to type like using a PC keyboard - without looking. and that feature makes this phone as an actual mobile station for all sorts of stuff that emulate laptop usage. second advantage is clear screen when typing. that is pretty much the reason why I cant imagine to type on a non-hardware phone anymore.
2. material quality - hard casing, and not just compared to other companies, but also compared to the other HTC devices. This phone is like an homage to early indestructible phones that were not intended to be like that (3310, 6210, 7650) Is it weight, is it experiment from HTC (there are 20+ types of plastic for making plastic stuff like casings) or something else, but this phone is the hardest phone I had, and I had Samung Android, iPhones, SE, you name it.
And on top of that, keyboard hinge wont break. I cant find more than 5 forum posts using google where someone complains of broken Keyboard hinge.
And, on top of top of that - "Vision" are the last in HTC production line to have licenced Cornig Gorilla Glass. Sensation XL and phones after that have HTC's substitute glass. (God knows why)
3. Screen - let's start with SLCD - You will find many reviews stating that it's a bad product, cause of the viewing angles. Viewing angles being the MOST retarded property of a screen, marketing vise. WHO watches a screen from an angle, more than 3 seconds, in their life ? So, when we putt aside that property - you have screen (PVA panel) that produces colors maybe even better than IPS. People get easily tricked by Samsung marketing, when they read stuff like: "SUPER AMOLED 2" - like a trailer for Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. And it is in fact - regular OLED screen with active matrix, and digitizer stuck onto the screen itself. Oh my, what a wonder. It was, for sure, made so when you break the SGS2/Note screen, you pay arm and a leg for replacement. Buying digitizer and screen at the same time. And the worst part is that AMOLED is nowhere near that good, saturation is awful (my personal opinion), and >4.0 inch phones with AMOLED have bad colors (google "Note screen problem", "SGS2 screen problem"
Resolution of screen - How come that people get so hyped by late Steve, whenever "retina" was mentioned .. ? ~250PPI is better than "retina" (326PPI)!!!
My neighbor is a rich bastard, and he has every single product Apple made, so I had a chance to see that "retina" and it hurt my eyes. Reading non-zoomed web pages on Desire Z is barely possible, doing the same on 4s is NOT possible.
it is not the pixelation of a font that is problem, it is the possibility of reading such small font. Any other aspect for that matter, is just a marketing trick.
250PPI is perfect. I dont care what journalists say about the new iPad, I dont see anything near suggested with the "retina" hype.
4. High-end phone properties - CPU
CPU is similar to the last of the x86 Intel CeleronD single core series - insanely overclockable. and like that, VERY usable. SGS2 exynos (ARM Cortex A9 @ 1.2Ghz) on stock clock has a problem of playing "Ice breaker" game (for some reason this game draws FPS lag on many devices) and on 1.5Ghz OC-ed DesireZ it runs smooth. "Fragger" game slows down extremely on SGS2 when 3 bombs are thrown simultaneously, and that doesnt happen on 1.5Ghz DZ. Dont know about other games on other phones, or Benchmarks for that matter, but this is my personal experience with SGS2 VS DZ (my brother has Samsung). Never really believed Benchmark scores since Intel started to temper with official results back in 2008 (Benchmark software in favor of Intel, compared to AMD)
I am aware of single core/dual core differences, but that is why one can flash DZ with G-slim or G-lite and enjoy the speed.
5. High-end properties - features
apart from resolution that is constantly growing on new devices, name 1 thing that DZ doesnt have ? This is NOT a midrange phone for housewives to share instagram photos, this is a serious device
Flaws -
1. it comes with crappy headphones. I myself soldered Koss Sparkplug earbuds to HTC stock headphones so I could enjoy the sound and still have cable-control buttons.
2. It is heavy. I see how many people could have problem with that but for me it's a good thing, cause I tend to lose phones, but with this one, I know where it is (pocket, jacket, etc..) and it "feels right" when holding it.
conclusion - This phone is Awesome. If I would buy a new, more expensive phone, I would like it to be 4.0 exact design like DZ, stronger CPU and slightly greater resolution. nothing more.
My only real problems with the phone is that it's too thick and heavy at times, it has severe death-grip reception issues with both wifi and mobile reception at my house where i have very little reception. Then, the thing that seems to let it down the most is the limited 512mb of RAM that it has, which makes it difficult to run Sense 3.* ROMs and such. Otherwise, i'm very happy with my phone and i agree with the points that you made . This is the best phone i've ever had!
Actually, my keyboard is slowly deteriorating >.<, a bunch of keys have stopped responding upon soft presses and need to be pressed firmly for any feedback.
Still a mid level phone. Everything i need is with DZ.
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Still a mid level phone. Everything i need is with DZ.
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I don't see how it's a mid level phone. Maybe performance wise, but it feels quite premium in almost every other aspect.
Wow, that was a kind of a roundhouse kick against all actual hypes.... i like!
I am totally at ur side. The only things i would like to have improved ist cam and ram, and size of screen. But thats kind of wishing, while taking a look at actual state of the art phones...
...at least a HTC ONE S with a HWK sounds nice to me (without AMOLED )
@crestofawave - I believe that he forgot to put "not" word after the "Still" word cause that way it makes sense.
@Superfr34k - Android users are real, compared to Apple, and even they fall under marketing influence. there are many things that do not make sense today, like when you buy a big LCDTV, you see on samsung producsts feat that says:
2 billion colors
standardized results via experiments gave 100.000 colors (human subjects), and biological calculations gave 10 million in the best case. So, this "2 billion" number stands only for Cylons and Terminators. not humans.
high resolution phones make sense, not because of the "retina" and other stuff, but because of only this feat: Wireless Full HD display mirroring. cause I dont see how one can use 1080p on a 5inch device.
all that stuff is the reason why this phone offers 90% of usage, and thats not for an average user, im talkingh about advanced users and their needs.
well
I think that the let down is the wieght, and cpu, it was 1ghz many people say it would be slightly faster which is good enough for me.
I hope they release another HTC Desire Z 2 like motorola releases droid 1 ,2 ,3 etc
If not I might have to get Galaxy S3 which Im not happy about touchscreen only phones nothing beats a qwerty keyboard
This is correct place to put a review since its general and nothing else. Op mentioned to put it here since not an "actual" review...no place else to do it
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Totally agree with everything in this article, and I know a whole lot of others do as well.
Unfortunately, it seems the cell phone market is swinging away from good phones like the G2/Desire Z. I will be keeping this phone until I see a worthy successor w/ hardware keyboard.
In all honesty, this is the best Android powered phone that I've owned, and that includes having previous phones like the Samsung Galaxy S, LG Optimus T and MyTouch 4G. The only complaint that I ever had with this phone is that I wished that the camera was a little sharper, as the full sized 5 MP pictures always seem to come out a little grainy. Usually decreasing the photo size with photoshop or other software solves that problem.
The camera is just a minor complaint, and I honestly don't expect high quality digital camera type quality from a phone camera. It would just be nice to have... that's all Other than that... it was a great phone when I got it, and it continues to be a great one. It runs all the apps I need it to, and I don't have any random crashes or force closes.
@Igoritza All the same.
I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with you. Especially the points you raise about the screens, Samsung with AMOLED, and Apple with Retina. Merely marketing baloney for their mindless fanatics.
I had no idea our desire z's screen were made of gorilla glass, Mayb I should drop it down the stairs to see how it holds up????
Bottomline there isn't many devices like the HTC Vision
The viewing angle on my screen is amazing. I did get a replacement screen a while ago so maybe mine is a newer revision?
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I love this phones' keyboard - it is made perfectly.
I have used Galaxy S before, and must say, that modified Desire Z is much faster than modified GS.
What I hate in DZ is its PERFORMANCE. Probably it's android systems natural drawback, that with designed UI like sense it's so slow, laggy and buggy.
Our phone runs smoothly only the AOSP GB what is really annoying.
I'n using Sensewich rom and it makes Desire Z feel like a brand new phone, even CM7 doesn't come close to this. I'm sure that once those changes make their way to other ICS roms and bugs are ironed out most of us will be satisfied with DZ for another year or so.
It's soooo smooth, *drool*
@shadal, I'd have to disagree with you. While our phone is obviously not iPhone smooth, it is a considerably fast device with a bit of overclocking (about 1.0-1.2GHz), on anything but Sense 3.x, maybe MIUI as well. Other than that, just about every other ROM I've flashed has been very fast in general.
Sense really isn't that bad...well, 3.x wasn't the best HTC could offer but 4.0 is VERY promising, tried it and it was so incredibly!!! smooth.
So yeah, AOSP has and will have an edge in performance but it seems like HTC is closing the distance...
i love my dz as well, but thinking about buying a nexus because of the larger screen/amoled. want to read ebooks on the phone. but for the dailystuff, whatsapp/email/calls it´s more than enough. bought a mugenakku and i´m very happy with that combination. the only thing i don´t like is the lcd, it really drains more than amoled. but i think i´m gonna wait with a new phone, but i´m pretty sure a phone with quadcore isn´t needed, i think quadcore is only needed for games, but i rarely play games on my phone.
I have a G2 just to be clear.
I just flash the latest Ice Cream JIBwich 2.0 which is based on the Andromadus Beta 1. They added the newly released GPU drivers from Qualcomm and this thing is fast and smooth now. Gives it new life, way faster than it ever was with GB.
Pretty damn happy with these ICS ROMs.
@tarroyo - please dont drop it down the stairs Gorilla has frontal indestructability (doesnt get pierced by bullets or arrows) but it does not endure side pressure. it will crack
@Shure2 - maybe it's IPS and not SLCD. HTC made a special order to Sony for supplies of SLCD's for making new 3.8 phones, but their initial supplier of 3.8 screens was Hanstar - IPS manufacturer that supplies ASUS and Apple. It is Hanstar company fault that HTC had to find alternative because they blackmailed them. So, yeah, your replacement could very well be from initial batches.
@miscz - I tried Sensewich but I need teh cam the cam itself is not that good, but changig ISO from AUTO to 100 improves "everyday photo shoot", and people's faces quality, or should I say - grainy photos are less grainy and better looking. whoever didnt know about this, should try (less ISO means how much camera is sensitive to light, but it also means shorter shutter speed)
it would be nice if someone knew of an App that lets you alter aperture and shutter, thus improving custom settings and making better pictures with DZ cam.
I've been having great experiences with Andromadus. I regret not having rooted my phone in the first year of owning it, seeing as a simple overclock and new rom has made it so much faster.
The thing I'll miss the most when I switch to a new phone is the lack of a physical keyboard... none of the new flagship phones have physical keyboards, and I'm not convinced that I could type anywhere near as quickly on an on screen keyboard if it's not on a tablet.
@Igoritza: I don't think there will be any thing we can really do to our cameras to catch up to all the latest and greatest phones now =[ No matter how I try, pictures from the iPhone 4S or Galaxy Note are far better. I guess we can come close in extremely well lit environments, but even in conditions which are slightly sub-optimal, our cameras tend to perform worse than theirs.
Obviously relative to the time I loved my 3210 and 3310 but you cannot say they're better phones than what we have today. I thought I wasn't going to buy this because of the screen protector thing, however I needed a new phone because I sold my Windows Phone as that OS is just plain bad. I ended up going for this phone in the end because I hate big phones and it finally felt like Android got its iPhone... a normal sized flagship. I've avoided the mini versions in the past as they're always the poor peoples phone, for some reason OEMs see smaller phones as this? However this phone really makes no compromises.
I love the size, love the speed, love the fact Sony don't do a Touchwiz, the construction is so solid and nice, the camera is great, the screen is great etc. It is such an amazing phone to fit in this size, which next to my iPhone 5c it is barely any bigger. What has amazed me though is I'm getting 4 days on a single charge, I'm not a heavy user, I used to get 2 days on my HTC One, but my Windows Phone only lasted a day and this one is thrashing them all. I'm currently on 70% at 1 day 19 hours, those battery saver things built in really work.
I have to wonder if wanting higher and higher resolution screens is worthwhile, I don't miss the 1080p screen of my HTC One, I didn't miss it with my Windows Phone which was 720p, I don't miss it with this one either. I use my iPhone (which I own because IOS has the best games) and that is even lower res and I just don't care it looks good enough. I don't miss not having 460ppi or whatever the HTC One was, I cannot see a pixel on the screen of this phone or my iPhone, I don't look at my phone with a magnifying glass.
My only gripe is I wish they used the bottom bit for capacitative touch buttons.
Really great phone I'd recommend it to any one, maybe people can pick faults with it, I dunno I can pick faults with every phone I've ever used, at some point you just have to accept there is no perfect phone. The HTC One went on about the front stereo speakers, only they weren't great quality, weren't loud after the updates that toned them down because they would crackle at high volumes, the camera sucked, it was impossible to repair. The 1020, the camera was over rated, it would take 4 seconds between shots, have lots of noise, the battery would barely last a day, Windows Phone sucked. I could go on and on but I think so far the Z1 Compact is the best all rounder I've owned and definitely the best normal sized phoned that you can actually fit in your pocket comfortably.
I have to agree, love this phone so far. Before buying the phone, I was a little apprehensive due to various complaints on this forum about touchscreen, slow to wake, etc. But after 9 days without a reboot, I have yet to experience any bugs. Performance is lightning fast, Sony 4.3 ROM is very stable, and the size is almost perfect (would prefer even smaller, but I don't expect anything smaller with similar performance anytime soon).
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My only gripe is I wish they used the bottom bit for capacitative touch buttons..
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^^^^ THIS! There is plenty of room on the bottom bezel for the buttons, and that would get more usable screen area back. But that's a minor complaint for an otherwise superb phone.
I've not got bugs on 4.3, I just don't get why people want to be on the latest version all the time, I've been on Kitkat with my HTC One and never noticed a difference...
I like the apps that keep the on screen buttons but make them opaque and get rid of the black bar, it means you don't really notice them and you feel like you're getting the whole screen. I still don't get why there is a big unused Bezel there, maybe that didn't have the space and it is a tight fit in there?
The other thing I don't get is you can easily remove the back cover and it is a bit like a Galaxy phone in there, the internals are covered by plastic, you can get the battery out quite easily and it is easy to repair. They should have just made it into a battery cover instead of giving them impression the battery cannot be replaced.
Still it is nice that you can open it up so easily.
I agree...best phone I ve ever used
Sure is best!. I have 4.4.2 rom now and it rox
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First of all sorry on my english
Bezel on the end of phone is probably place where you holding hands when you play games or watching movies
a title?
sorry for my poor English
I like its size and the appearance and no shrinkage to Z1.
Im worry that few people choose this phone here（they often appreciate big ones）and it appears few roms. My last phone was Moto me525 defy, it could use dozens of roms.
Finally I would complain that the forum here is not so friendly as in my country.
11 numbers! are needed, I was used none or 6 numbers when you submit frequently.
Love the dimensions and specs of this phone as well.
But I am still not a fan of Android coming from Nokia's Meego Harmattan.
If the Sailfish OS port ever comes (bug free), this would be my perfect phone.
I completely agree. I came from a Find 5, which is nice in its own right, and this phone is just ridiculously good. I left it stock for about 5 minutes before rooting and unlocking, and have not looked back. I have had no issues thus far with KK (the slightly modded version from munjeni), and the performance / battery and build quality is superb. I haven't messed with BT or camera much yet, but getting a few little things like the softkeys out of the way is about all I needed to make this my perfect phone.
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I've not got bugs on 4.3, I just don't get why people want to be on the latest version all the time, I've been on Kitkat with my HTC One and never noticed a difference...
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Google does not leave an update/work for nothing uh... If you do not see the differences, is that your usage is too basic to see (e.g., UI improvements...).
Btw, I always used Xperia smartphones and this is the best phone I've ever owned too!
couldn't agree anymore with you! this is my favorite phone too, and i just love it! all other "mini" smartphones either need a large batteri or have little internal memory or something else. this phone is a beast and have it all!
I agree 100% that this is the best phone I have to date. For a compact phone, the specs alone was a winner and has proven to be in it's performance. It's by no means a mini when it comes to resources. Superb processing and battery power and proprietary Sony battery usage software which I don't even have to use, lol.
I appreciate that Sony doesn't have to be out there marketing wise like Samsung and elegantly meet and surpass their performance. Water proof, dust proof, no biggie full LTE support no limitations except maybe finger print reader (like they even use it). I have owned Samsung s2 to s4, even their minis. Ironically I loved the s2
I am soo happy I have jumped ship and look forward to continued Sony development.
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Love the dimensions and specs of this phone as well.
But I am still not a fan of Android coming from Nokia's Meego Harmattan.
If the Sailfish OS port ever comes (bug free), this would be my perfect phone.
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yes sailfish os on the z1c would it make perfect.