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X1 ROM on Vista?

I will start by admitting to being a complete novice to the whole WinMo thing, only being attracted to WinMo by the fabulous looking SE X1.
So, onto the question.
Is it possible to set up a virtual machine in Vista, and feed it the X1's WinMo 6.1 Rom? A try before buy type of thing?
I did find an article on T'internet about something very similar, but as WinMo has changed, and MS Virtual PC is the latest, greatest thing, i wondered if anyone has done this, or if indeed it is possible.
Sorry if this is a waste of anyones time, or if it is a stupid idea, but i would like to test out WinMo 6.1 at least, before i buy a phone i might not get on with.
Thanks all.

You could port the ROM to work as an emulator image, but quite frankly thats a huge amount of work and isn't worth it. It won't work in a virtual pc type software because they emulate x86 hardware and WinMo operates on ARM generally.
If your goal is just to check out WinMo 6.1, and not the X1's ROM, you can get the emulators from microsoft.

also not sure the current emulators support that funkey res

Thanks for your infos.
next question, then.
Using these emulators from Microsoft, would i be able to install 3rd party apps onto the WinMo running in the emulator, so i could see if they were any use to me?
Thanks in advance.

yes
you
can

Thanks a lot for a super fast reply.
I shall wander over to MS site, and hunt me down an emulator.

Need visual studio i think

no there is a stand alone emulator too
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...a5-183a-4a1e-a7e2-cc500ed1f19a&displaylang=en

Thanks again for the input, people.
However.
I could not get the stand alone emulator to work, and ended up having to use a free 90 day trial version of Visual Studio 2008.
It is working fine on Vista home premium, and gives me exactly what i was looking for.
All being well, the X1 should be out before the 90 days runs out.
I dare say i shall be back with a few more questions soon.
Hope you are still feeling tolerant by then.

i could be wrong but i think
that visual studio express which is free
also include the emulator

run WM in iphone, Android in PPC???

Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.

People are trying to make andriod to work in emulators on top of windows mobile first because they want it to be stable.
When everything is working stable, developers could look into flashing a andriod rom with andriod bootloader onto a device.
For now it is more important to get everything to work properly.

and about the iPhone.. we still dont know wether its fake or not.. its just a rurmor.. the developer promised it to be released by jan.. till then wait for jan..

i think WM on iphone is fake.............
there are very rare chances of that happenning.......

WM on iphone
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html

is it going to be freeware???????
i would seriously think about getting an i phone then........

Why would somebody want to have WM on a device which can't be used with stylus?

At the start, I knew that there was something fishy about it. Look at the phone, the bootloader is too "friendly" to be a beta.

hskeik said:
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html
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"Okay, looks like we (I, the bloggers, the Internet, the Windows Mobile users) were "too excited" (?) by running Windows Mobile on iPhone hardware. As it turned out (thanks for the comments and E-Mails), the video and the whole story above is a hoax and part of a viral marketing campaign from Sonic Emotion, a maker of surround-sound systems for PCs, handhelds and other things that need surround sound." - Source

There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install

wud_e said:
There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install
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yes, but it doesnt work very well
I think everybody should now, that there is a "working" androit for windows mobile based devices...

I'm definitely going to try it once its bootable as a seperate OS.
I'm sure the peeps at XDA are going to be successful in porting it on to ppc aswell, so I'm just patiently waiting.
Akshay

There is already android on msm 7200 Chipsets like the Kaiser or Vouge
And it's not an Emulator and run on the ROM.
But you must load the Bootloader "HaRET" on Windows, and after that, Windows mobile is quitted
also, windows mobile is working on iphone wich lags realy

Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.

Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...

bobosky520 said:
Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.
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iphone? whats that? wasnt it a fad fashion accessory from last year that claimed to be a tech revolution in, well, in, I dont know? lets see, its not a smart phone, not a PPC, not a Symbian, its more a feature phone containing a proprietary operating system with very limited 3rd party support apps and interface.
Why would such a great device want WM running on it? oh yeah I know, it sux and its boring UI would eventually drive you nuts for lack of customization and limitation of available "decent" apps! hahahahhahhahha It'll never run M2D or some of the other awesome skinnable applications or any Linux OS etc, Its just WacOSX and doesnt even provide onboard bluetooth with A2DP holly crap even my 5 year old piece of junk Symbian supports A2DP, in a few months WM devices will be released with Bluetooth v2.1 (700kbps) and soon version 3 speeds up to 480Mbps. carried away sorry

Klael said:
Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.
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Dpad is not essential for PPC,
usually, apps can direct operate by touching the screen.
the only problem is games, a lot of games have to use dpad as controller.

Mort said:
Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...
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iphone hardware is not a big problem,
as long as iphone is one device, no matter how many people are study on it, it is one device.
Android on PPC is a problem, there are so many different PPC, which one should we study on?
License is not necessary, Hacking, of course, is not legally with license.

Convert XP program to Winmo 6.1 Omnia

Can someone convert/build a program that I run on XP to be used on my omnia? I would supply the original program and xp drivers etc. (It is a VHF radio programming software that I wish to run from Omnia rather than PC)

lanedava said:
Can someone convert/build a program that I run on XP to be used on my omnia? I would supply the original program and xp drivers etc. (It is a VHF radio programming software that I wish to run from Omnia rather than PC)
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Its not really possible to convert Computer programs to a Phone program. you would have to start from scratch and make a whole new program

Thanks for the joke...

The devs here are pretty good, but seriously?.... that is just not a well developed question.

kids, dont do drugs

peperonikiller said:
Its not really possible to convert Computer programs to a Phone program. you would have to start from scratch and make a whole new program
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Just thought this noob would ask. Ya never know

lanedava said:
Just thought this noob would ask. Ya never know
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Whats wrong, its a perfectly valid question. especially seeing how MS chooses to label its desktop and mobile OSs under the same product name. Just because the answer may seem obvious to some, not everyone is a programmer and not everyone can be expected to know the answer to such questions.

can i install windows on htc hero instead of Android

HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry

may i ask you why you want to do that???

I think he is just curious to know

yes someone was saying its possible and wanna know if yes or not if yes can anyone explain how?
br

there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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i agree, it´s like to buy a dog and want to make a cat out of it
but anyway i´m sorry i haven´t seen a method/tutorial how to make this

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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thanks for ur reply but still it doesn answer wt I asked
br

Almost every people here is against windows mobile, so I don't think you will obtain an answer, sorry.
Lots of thread were started asking to run windows on these phones (sapphire and dream) and they always ended up wit people saying this is a stupid question.
My opinion is that it would be interesting, such as dual booting in your home PC.

I really wanted to get rid of wm because it stinks. it is slow i have to SR almost everyday it crashed etc. etc.
but now i'm using android my phone works great fast responsive. never needed to restart the phone and its on.
why trading the good stuff for the bad stuff. i used wM/Windows for years and i was never pleased with it now i'm using linux (on pc/hero) and its great IT WORKS so why would you wanna use wm.
youre question technically it would be possible the wm phones have the same hardware. but i think noone succeeded to install wm or viceversa. wm phones can start android but doens't work 100% and when the phone goes off they loose the data

Rather than just bashing WM (which of course I could do) I will state facts.
Android has been hacked to work on WM phones, such as the Vogue, Kaiser, Polaris, Raphael, Diamond, etc. This has been possible because Android is a UI that runs on top of Linux. Linux and Android both being open source, we have the program code for the entire OS at our disposal to change around, hack drivers, and make work on non-Android hardware.
Windows Mobile is (almost) entirely closed-source. This will make it pretty much impossible to run on a phone that it's not licensed to work on. Microsoft and HTC would have to both agree to running WM on the Hero before you'd see that happen.
EDIT: @commodoor: Yes, the hardware appears to be the same, ie. the same chips, but there will be intricate differences like memory addresses, IRQ's etc that would make this darn near impossible to achieve.

Just my tuppence worth...
I thought with the Hero having a capacitive screen that it wouldn't be able to run Windows... Thought the OS was limited to resistive screens... or am I wrong?

faisal_sherry said:
HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
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Nothing against the poster of the above but REALLY? Putting WM on the Hero seems like the most EPIC FAIL of all time. (I wish we had a facepalm smiley to put in here).
But constructively - from what I understand, putting Android on a WM device is relatively easy (for someone with the knowledge, patience and experience) but putting WM on an Android device is almost impossible.

Technically it would be possible to do... if HTC have drivers for WinMo to talk to the Hero hardware and Microsoft gave HTC a license to put it on the phone... but that ain't gonna happen any day soon.
But then again there exists a whole lot of skilled hackers that can make any toaster run whatever they want it to run... But then again WinMo is closed source. And the skilled hackers don't know how to make any drivers.
And WinMo is a really boring OS. I have an old HTC TyTN (the first one) with WinMo 6 Pro on it. It was really boring to use since the market for that phone was the business people and I am not a business-minded human. I wanted a little more flexibility and a nicer UI to configure the way I want it.
Android + HTC's Sense UI (actually TouchFLO) is giving me that kind of freedom.
Oh... sorry for going really offtopic on this one.
To give you the short answer to the original poster; no you can't. Theoretically yes. Feasible... no.

thread closed
people have given answers.....and ill close before a flame war starts.
thank you

[Q] What will happen to Windows Marketplace?

So with WP7 coming out next month... What whill happen to the current 6.5 marketplace? Will it be merged with the 7 marketplace or be left to wither away slowly?
Thanks guys,
Nick

Interesting question.
I think WM6.x will continue and marketplace will too

A Microsoft manager stated, that WM6.5 will be still alive until all business features from WM6.x are integrated into WP7! So the Windows Marketplace will live until then, indeed!

But really, who cares? The marketplace is still new to WinMo6 and we did fine without it. You're on XDA so you must know how to install CABs. The only thing I can think of that's any good and is exclusive to Marketplace is Shazam.

Yes, but be sure and save the .cab files off somewhere as if Marketplace does disappear (as it inevitably will, from my 25 years of experience as a M$ customer) you may lose access to them.
Marc
at45 said:
But really, who cares? The marketplace is still new to WinMo6 and we did fine without it. You're on XDA so you must know how to install CABs. The only thing I can think of that's any good and is exclusive to Marketplace is Shazam.
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Just like Marketplace knows who you are when you sign in, it will know what device you are using and probably only show you software for it since you'll be accessing it from your phone.