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I have been experimenting with video playback on the Tytyn, but am becoming disillusioned with the results!
I use PocketDivX Encoder 0.3.60, to convert using 2 pass xvid and b frames, and TCPMP, and the results were truly stunning on my old Kjam.
Whatever I try with the new Tytyn, does not even come close to the performance I was getting on my old device.
Does any one have any suggestions or recommend a successful encoding method that actually works on the Tytyn. I would like to hear from anyone who has managed to get a playback quality the same as the Kjam/Wizard i.e smooth video without loss of lipsync or jerky framerate.
Thanks
search for TYTN + TCPMP on this forum... this has been discussed A LOT.
pergolesi said:
I have been experimenting with video playback on the Tytyn, but am becoming disillusioned with the results!
I use PocketDivX Encoder 0.3.60, to convert using 2 pass xvid and b frames, and TCPMP, and the results were truly stunning on my old Kjam.
Whatever I try with the new Tytyn, does not even come close to the performance I was getting on my old device.
Does any one have any suggestions or recommend a successful encoding method that actually works on the Tytyn. I would like to hear from anyone who has managed to get a playback quality the same as the Kjam/Wizard i.e smooth video without loss of lipsync or jerky framerate.
Thanks
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Hi there & welcome to our videoplayback problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=354421#354421
It's not all bad, but I can't find any workaround for the meantime. Look out for The CorePlayer (The new TCPMP), hopefully when released, it will address these issues we have discovered. Meantime I am using 'ImToo_DVD 2 Ipod Converter' , which converts to high quality Mp4 format and plays back just fine for now and is definately on par with Divx/Xvid AVI encoding at 768kbps! It also converts a whole film in practically 20 mins plus compared to PocketDivx_Encoder or DVDx.
I have tried the Im too to ipod converter, and have had some very pleasing results.
Could you possibly let me know what settings you have checked/unchecked in TCPMP, for optimum playback of the resulting mp4 files?
Thank you very much, your help and advice is greatly appreciated.
Best regards
Pergolesi
yeah I had a good experience converting to mpeg4 except the filesize was much larger (almost twice the size as divx) is this the norm cause of divx compression?
MPEG4 Videos in TCPMP
Personally, I use the following settings for ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter:
Video Bit rate:512 or 768 (difference is negligable but size is better @ 512kbps)
Audio Bit Rate:64
Sample rate:22050
Channels:2
Video Size:320x240
Profile: iPod MPEG-4 Movie (*.mp4)
Zoom:Full (keep aspect ratio)
Split:Infinite (though it's nice to have a DVD encoded in the chapters it came in - TCPMP will play them in the correct order if saved as 'playlist')
**Do Check the Audio settings (under the Menu bar) as your DVD will probably have options for differnt Audio i.e English.
I know more settings are available, but this is a short-term fix for me (with acceptable results for me) until the new 'CorePlayer' is released.
In TCPMP the settings really don't make much of a difference either, but just make sure you have 'Video' set to 'Rawframebuffer' mode. I have found that all AVI and MP4 playback without major gripes, but the MP4 gets better results whilst benchmarking using 'ATI decoder'. Fat load of good that does you when it comes to playback though (back to rawframebuffer mode).
P.S. for smaller filesizes, just reduce the video bit rate like you would in AVI encoding.
MPEG4 Videos in TCPMP
Great info, I'm sure others will find this just as helpful as I have.
Thanks again.
Pergolesi
In TCMP what is the best setting, GDI or RAWFRAMEBUFFER?
Im asking this because on my tytn i can use both of them without problems.
ruirocha said:
In TCMP what is the best setting, GDI or RAWFRAMEBUFFER?
Im asking this because on my tytn i can use both of them without problems.
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I use Rawframeuffer mode, but GDI will do also. Though benchmarking yields better results in Rawframebuffer mode for me.
I'm using TCPMP. I set ATI IMAGEON Decoder on.
When it start, the screen is not viewable.
But I press the action button, when the movie plays it is normal.
When I paused and resume, video play with low frame rate.
I goto Option, Speed, Select 100%, it's normal.
What encoder should I use to encode videos for the diamond so that it uses the built in mp4 codec?
I tried SUPER software to encode but the videos don't show up in the album and won't play in WMP. I have TCPMP but when a camera perspective changes it becomes choppy. Does Core Player 1.2.5 have the same effect with VGA videos?
anyone? pleas at least tell me your experience with core player?
you are missing the second codec you suggested. typo maybe? thanks anyway your two cents helps a lot.
bugmenot said:
What encoder should I use to encode videos for the diamond so that it uses the built in mp4 codec?
I tried SUPER software to encode but the videos don't show up in the album and won't play in WMP. I have TCPMP but when a camera perspective changes it becomes choppy. Does Core Player 1.2.5 have the same effect with VGA videos?
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I know this is an old thread but...
I use videora i-phone 3g converter.
Set it to use the H.264 480x320 768kbps stereo/128kpbs Advanced profile.
It spits out excellent quality with no frame drop and its full screen.
Its recognised in wmp and touchflow video tab.
best of all its free
my favourite is slysoft clonedvdmobile + coreplayer. i encode in ipod v5 high res 640x480 (about 640x360 for qidescreen) with quality about 18. 1012kbps, 2 pass. makes about 700mb for 1hr 15mins
Good morning!
I'm using tcmp (the core pocket media player) on my diamond and for the conversion I use PocketDivxEncoder. It's fast easy to use and very flexible with the settings such as dimensions sound and video quality ...
Links:
TCPMP with built in flv support
PocketDivxEncoder
I tried many conversion programs and codecs and I've come to the conclusion that smooth vga(640x480)-video-playback isn't possible on the diamond. Reducing the resolution to 480x360 however brings suitable results with virtually no dropped frames when playing in TCPMP or Coreplayer. The resulting filesize is also very convenient (about 300mb per hour, 200mb for animes).
The best conversion program I tried so far is SUPER, which additionally is Freeware
here is a download link: http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html#Dnload
I created two profiles for SUPER (one for 4:3 videos and one for 16:9) which can be easily loaded via right click anywhere in the main window "Import ..."
ps: I also liked the videora i-phone 3g converter suggested by GutsyTripod, but the playback performence of the mpg4 video seems to bee slightly slower (about 10-15%) than the xvid video produced with SUPER
Hi I've just received my HD and overall I'm very impressed. I was a smartphone user previously so I’m having to come to terms with TouchFlo and Windows Mobile all at the same time!
The only real problem I’m having is playing .avi video. I've transferred an .avi file to my memory card but it won't play in CorePlayer (need the AC3 codec I think) and TCPMP doesn't load (get a crash screen) and mobile divx plays the video but it’s a mess on the screen.
I've even tried to encode the video file with PocketDivXEncoder but I think this needs TCPMP to play and it looks terrible in Mobile Divx.
So my question is how do I successfully play an .avi as this is one of the main reasons I bought my HD.
Also one further question with appointments in the calendar when I get a reminder the notification pop up doesn't appear till I click on the alarm icon at the top of the screen - is this due to touchflo and can you force WM6.1 to always show the notification - I’m finding I’m forgetting about meetings because of this!
Thanks in advance of your help.
JM
I've tried playing avi (divx) files with great success. I have been using CorePlayer (v1.2.5). Maybe you should try another video file? it should work
Interesting - are you using a special codec with that or just the player?
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Interesting - are you using a special codec with that or just the player?
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I now see your problem, I had originally tried only avi movies with mp3 audio (like most of my videos). I tested it with a file with AC3 audio and it appears that CorePlayer doesnt have that codec.
Guess your only option with movies with AC3 audio is to convert them, or you might be able to get an AC3 codec somewhere.
So is there a way of converting my video into avi + mp3 rather than AC3 as it sounds like that would sort my problem?
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So is there a way of converting my video into avi + mp3 rather than AC3 as it sounds like that would sort my problem?
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You could try the freeware video converter program 'SUPER'.
SUPER allows you to convert easily many aspects of a video including size, frame rate, format of video and audio, etc.
I use it all the time to convert my camera videos for use with my Hard Drive TV Media Player.
Don't try and download it from the developers web site it's a minefield in how to get the program.
Instead get it direct from Download.com here:-
http://www.download.com/Super-Video-Converter/3000-2194_4-10277613.html
Beards
I'm about to buy a Touch HD and was wondering if someone can confirm that it can playback video files (.avi) that can be found around the web (e.g. tv shows, movies and such) smoothly without conversion. (just transfer and play)?
yes please, can handle a typical rip of 350mb tv show or 700mb movie without problems?
Insaneboy said:
I'm about to buy a Touch HD and was wondering if someone can confirm that it can playback video files (.avi) that can be found around the web (e.g. tv shows, movies and such) smoothly without conversion. (just transfer and play)?
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It certainly can. I watched a whole divx movie i downloaded in full resolution (640 i think) without any conversion, and it was working great. havent tried a TV show yet but i guess it will work fine.
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It certainly can. I watched a whole divx movie i downloaded in full resolution (640 i think) without any conversion, and it was working great. havent tried a TV show yet but i guess it will work fine.
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Could you share the FPS and bitrate please?
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It certainly can. I watched a whole divx movie i downloaded in full resolution (640 i think) without any conversion, and it was working great. havent tried a TV show yet but i guess it will work fine.
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This is exactly whay i'm trying to do - can you tell me which video player you used?
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It certainly can. I watched a whole divx movie i downloaded in full resolution (640 i think) without any conversion, and it was working great. havent tried a TV show yet but i guess it will work fine.
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How did you manage that, mines plays the videos but they are jerky, seems like it's caching the film. I've even tried same file on iphone & hd, iphone was much smoother. what am i doing wrong??
Peter.
I've got to agree here with edwardscdr. I have no problem whatsoever in playing .avi files using Core Player 1.2.5
I believe the problem that others are having is down to what software and system associated files individuals have installed on their Phone. These could be effecting the performance of the playback.
It's a bit extreme but one sure way of finding out the problem is to hard reset the device and install ONLY Core Player (I personally did this when I first received my Touch HD).
Next transfer a video/movie file and play it........ Do you notice any improvements?
If so then at least you know it's down to what was previously installed.
To then eliminate the culprit that was causing the problem is to install software titles one-by-one and on each occasion check the playback of the video.
When it changes and no longer runs smoothly then BANG.... you have your culprit.
Beards
its the ac3, core player can't play it
i wish i can convert the audio via super...
sound can be changed, the audio codecs will show different results when using a different container, im just used to the .mp4 container so i didnt see an audio codec change to mp3
AC3 will play on the old TCPMP beta, the screen is buggy (missing buttons etc) but it does work. If you set up file extensions (in the options settings in both apps) to play on different media players you won't have any trouble (eg: AC3 plays on TCPMP, divx/xvid plays very well on Coreplayer).
The only videos i have trouble playing are in the H264 codec, but that's not a surprise as it is an advanced codec that can make some older desktops slow down.
As far as I am aware, the only media player that takes advantage of hardware acceleration is the built in media player with the HD. For optimum video playback you'd probably want to convert your video files with a third party app into mp4, BUT as an experienced heavy user of video files I find that a combo of Coreplayer, TCPMP and the built in player works just fine for nearly all occasions.
Hope this helps.
the videos are kinda bit pixelated also in tcpmp, the play buttons are center below but u cant see them until u click them ahha
The Blackstone is the first smart/windows mobile phone i have had so after recieving my phone i tried some of my video files but (as i expected) windows media wudn't play them, i have seen on other threads that alot of people mention Core Player 1.2.5 and wondered if anyone could give answer me a few quick questions:
1. Does Core Player play most formats (im trying to play x264.mp4 and dixv .avi)
2. Where can i find Core Player?
3. is it a free program? if not how much is it in GBP?
Go to www.coreplayer.com and see for yourself. I think on their homepage they anwser pretty much all your questions.
Ascenca
Thanks - Don't know why didn't find their site!
I had this problem - Core Player 1.2.5 plays all files perfectly on the HD - commuting will never be the same again...
Which version do i need?
CorePlayer Mobile For PocketPC / Windows Mobile
CorePlayer Mobile for SmartPhone
I assume its the SmartPhone version?
This is the version you need: https://www.mobihand.com/cart1.asp?posid=130&pid=8905
(mobile/WM)
HD is a PocketPC
working
Coreplayer 2,5 works perfectly.The PocketPc version the smartphone one is for devices without touchscreen.
Its a commercial software.
Ideal is to use the Qtv display as video output.
I tried different encoded format and the best result is encode the avi files with following attributes:
dimension 640*480
Bitrate between 700 and 750
Framerate 25fps
Audio MP3
Stereo 128kps
Frecuency 44100 Hz.
You can use a higher bitrate till 1200 , but the video doen't play always very smootly then
I tried a couple widescreen (960x540) files in different formats (wmv, mov, avi) with coreplayer 2.5, and none of them would play anywhere near smoothly. the mov played with about 1.5 fps, the wmv with about 5 fps und the avi with something like 7 fps. do any of the numerous settings in coreplayer need to be changed or is the device simply not powerful enough for full native resolution video playback?
just tried some more videos, this time a 1 MBit/s 480x270 wmv file, and even that couldn't be played in any useful way:
played frames: 85
dropped: 447
did you change anything in the core player settings to achieve proper playback?
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I tried a couple widescreen (960x540) files in different formats (wmv, mov, avi) with coreplayer 2.5, and none of them would play anywhere near smoothly. the mov played with about 1.5 fps, the wmv with about 5 fps und the avi with something like 7 fps. do any of the numerous settings in coreplayer need to be changed or is the device simply not powerful enough for full native resolution video playback?
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Firstly, the issue with the video files comes from the fact that they're larger than the resolution of the screen. (your video=960x540, HD=800x460) This means that as well as decoding and playing the video, it also has to scale the video down to it's resolution. This is why it's stuttering. Full native resolution video playback is 800x640 which, incidentally, is the native resolution of DVDs, so if DVD rips have been encoded properly, should not need resizing or re-encoding to play on the HD. (feel free to be skeptical of this, I don't own a HD yet so can't confirm this)
The 1Mbps file possibly wasn't playing properly for that exact reason, it was 1Mbps. As BerreZ states, the highest bitrate to get good playback is 750Kbp
Thanks, got CorePlayer up and running now works like a dream!
I'm waiting for funds to clear so i can finally order one of these bad boys. I'm not too demanding when it comes to video playback on the phone. 700KBPS is the standard encoding of dvd rips isn't it? like, your traditional torrent movie file.So it looks like we can play them on the HD then using coreplayer? I'm not to concerned about HD quality playback and i've been using an XDA2i for 5 years, mainly for clips and such when bored at the bus station .
Maybe with a higher capacity card I might throw a movie or two on there
....IB a n e
BANE said:
I'm waiting for funds to clear so i can finally order one of these bad boys. I'm not too demanding when it comes to video playback on the phone. 700KBPS is the standard encoding of dvd rips isn't it? like, your traditional torrent movie file.So it looks like we can play them on the HD then using coreplayer? I'm not to concerned about HD quality playback and i've been using an XDA2i for 5 years, mainly for clips and such when bored at the bus station .
Maybe with a higher capacity card I might throw a movie or two on there
....IB a n e
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a)Native DVD resolution is not 800x640
b)700Kbps is not the "Standard Encoding" for DVD rips.
bitrate will depend on the size of the encode, the length of the movie.
Apologies, my mistake.
...Ib a n e
Urgh -it's payware. Another cost.
Is there a decent free avi/media player?
One time, I got a cab, but lost it, with some codecs to play divx and other on the Media player. Does anyone knows something like that??
I just purchased CorePlayer. It gave me v1.3.6 not 2.5. Anyway I have tried a divx and avi film. With both I just saw a green haze for a bit and I needed to soft reset the device to recover.
I downloaded the cab not exe and installed it directly onto the device. My films are on storage.
I get a "Copy & Convert" dialogue box with "Convertion (None)" and it seems to do nothing for a while but it does seem to copy the file across ok. What that means is I can see it in explorer. That said it seems to take several runs at it and the bars never go beyond three or so.
Have I just got the wrong resolution?
Any ideas?
I am having a lag problem playing some HD videos on my Xperia with Jack's 3.4 Med rom using Coreplayer 1.3.
Videos I tried:
Transformers 2 HD Trailer (852x355, 2643kbps, 23fps)
The Prodigy-Omen (1000x432, 2663 kbps, 25fps) (800x480, 1200kbps, 25fps)
The highest quality sample at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3045216&postcount=2
Plays all the regular videos/movies fine (Prodigy-Omen at 400x240, 644kbps, 23fps)
I tried directdraw and qtv with tytn II driver mode enabled.
How can I solve the HD playback problem?
Thanks.
EDIT: O MY GOODNESS!
I just saw the sticky on the top of the page...I feel so silly.
Thanks all.
If you are converting the video to mp4, than you should better use WMP, so that you can utilize vga's acceleration. Even with acceleration I really doubt that you can play 852x355, 2643kbps with no lag or missing frames. And if you use coreplayer, than you will get even slower playback performance. I can't even play xvid 640x352 800kbps without frame losses on coreplayer.
CorePlayer can't use hardware video acceleration...
IMO, the best way is to use TouchHD video converter to recode video and use Windows Player to watch them
Windows Player can use hardware video acceleration
thelucius said:
If you are converting the video to mp4, than you should better use WMP, so that you can utilize vga's acceleration. Even with acceleration I really doubt that you can play 852x355, 2643kbps with no lag or missing frames. And if you use coreplayer, than you will get even slower playback performance. I can't even play xvid 640x352 800kbps without frame losses on coreplayer.
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I recode video with touchHD converter and use windows player
I can watch Iron Man ( 800*336, MPEG-4 AVC 0.7 to 1.2Mbps, AAC 2.0 128Kbps) with no loss frames and no lag
At CorePlayer you can change buffering under settings that help a lot
the x1 can hardly handle standard def
Ohhh, thanks for all the tips.
Used TouchHD video converter and did them into MP4 but WMP says it can't load codec, really aching my processors...
Coreplayer plays my videos more smoothly than wmp ever does.