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Totally prevent soft keyboard SIP in landscape mode?

a042349 at HowardForums wrote this post:
OK,
I hate that pop-up KB as well. I tried all the reg hacks and nullkb's I could find and on both my HP6515 and now on my 8125 it would always revert to the software screen KB and pop up at the most annoying times.
Well in doing some poking around I discovered a reg key that COMPLETELY elimnates the soft KB from popping up - great news. The bad news (there's always bad news) is that it completely prevents ANY of the SIP panels from coming up when you want them to, or from working in general.
So if you do this hack you are completely dependent on the 8125/9100 hardware keyboard. Now I've been running like this for over a year on two different devices and it works for me. The one thing I did was extract the "cut, copy and paste" icons out of an old "PHM Keys" I had and put them on the Start Menu so that I can now use those instead of the Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-P when I need to. Works fine, but takes up three slots on my Start Menu.
You could also create a backup reg file, and one with the setting I'll give you, and then import them and reboot to turn the hack on or off. It does require a reboot so it's not an ideal solution, and I know the key by heart so i do it manually if I ever need it - which I never have:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip\AllowChange=1
Change that entry from a 1 to a 0 and reboot. No more KB, Block Recognizer, Transcriber - nothing but the HW keyboard.
Try it you'll like it!
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From what I know (I didn't try it yet), it totally prevents the SIP from appearing, and that would probably include portrait mode when the hardware keyboard is not available. A soft-reset may be required between changes, too.
Is there a way someone can make a program to prevent the SIP from appearing in landscape mode at all, yet make it available in portrait mode?
I use my device in both modes, so I wouldn't want to lose complete functionality of the SIP.
Any ideas?

Hi everybody!
I may have an alternative to killing SIPs altogether:
All SIP DLLs are registered under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID, each with its unique identifier. The name of the SIP (which you see in the menu is stored in the default value) SIP key has two sub keys: InProcServer which tells the system where to find the DLL and IsSIPInputMethod with it's default value set to one.
One idea is to create a fake SIP key that will point to a non existent DLL and then select that SIP in the menu. The system will try to call up the SIP but it will fail until you select a valid one.
Hope this will help

Hardware Keyboard only in Landscape
On the Universal the combination of PQZ (to assign different SIPs to landscape and portrait, should work on other devices too) and PHMs "NoDoSIP" (registers a SIP that does nothing) works perfectly. Disable all SIPs not needed at all by setting the Reg Value (search for the SIP by name in the registry) Default under IsSIPInputMethod for that method to 0. You can rename your remaining SIPs there as well.

I'm skeptical, but willing to try...
As the originator of the quoted post in this thread I'm skeptical but certainly open minded that this solution would work.
And yes my method does require a reboot to enable/disable, so it's certainly not for the occasional use of the SIP.
In the past I had tried all manner of null kb's, and UID registry string swaps and other things to prevent unwanted SIP pop-ups.
What I would like is to have it ONLY come up when I invoke it - and NEVER on it's own. I wouldn't use it much (and haven't on two HW keyboard devices over the past year) but sure it would be handy for the odd time I need to type in portrait mode.
I may give this a shot after dinner tonight and see how it goes - at the very least I can always go back to my admittedly draconian total elimination of the SIP's that I have now.
I'll post my results later tonight.
-Joel (a042349)

And??
Works like a charm, right?
In landscape it just displays the hardware keyboard icon and the arrow to even allow to manually invoke any other SIP "on the fly".
And in portrait the selected SIP gets activated automatically.
Works flawlessly for me (on my Universal) since month.

Right man, works like a charm! Thanks for this hint!

GREAT
Its the little things that make my tilt a better device to use. I tried phmppcpt.rpr_arm_siponly.cab on my tilt with dutty's pre April 29th cab and it works to eliminate the landscape keyboard in messaging, notes and contacts, however I have a beta version of opera mobile 9.5 and it seems to have mind of its own, doing the exact oposite and making both keyboards nearly unusable. Anyone else experience this?, hopefully Opera will provide users with a choice of hardware keyboard only and not having the SIP popping up. I presume that Opera had a feature to do exactly what .cab does just for that application and now the .cab is reversing it. Seems to do about the same thing in Internet Explorer.

im using opera 9.5 too.. and nothing seems any different after installing the cab... SIP still pops up.. any idea how i could solve it?
Thanks.

the ironic part is that ez imput kb does an automatic switch between keaboards when flipped from portrait to landscape, is there a script or a reg hack edit that does this??? cuz we can use that engine to make the sip automatically change to null kb when switched to landscape, fully eliminating pop ups and soft keyboards when using your querty

no2chem nueslidingkb
i use no2chem's nueslidingkb on my mogul. it allows you to set different SIPs on protrait and landscape as well as customizing the sliding sounds. it works very well, i have intellipad on portrait and nullKB on landpscape.
It however does not work on my Fuze, it doesn't change the SIP to the set one when switched to landscape, maybe needs an update? i hope no2chem checks it out.

Anyway to keep phone in Landscape?

is there anyway to keep the phone in landscape, permenantly (even when I close the keyboard?)

i'd like to know about this aswell for the wizard.

I've never tried it personally, but I saw this:
Start > Settings > System tab > Screen
then choose Landscape
Does this help?

thanks for the reply.
that only works until the keyboard is flipped out again!
there must be a way to stop the OS from flipping when it hears that command.

Hi!
Sorry to dig up a post - i thought I'd rather dig this up, than make a new post .. so that no one has to repeat themselves
ERmm - yes, is there some sort of mod, or way to make your TyTN stay in Landscape mode permanently?
Yes, I go to the system settings and change the Screen rotation to landscape, and it stays that way .. and i slide the keyboard out and it stays that way as well .. but as soon as i slide the keyboard in, the damned thing decides to get back into portrait .. sigh .. anyhelp?
~Louis x_.

Yeah, I've made a hack for this. I'll release it shortly.
http://www.a1kstyle.com/viewtopic.php?p=65879
V

Hey V, can you PM or IM me when you get a chance. Thanks

i launcher allows you to rotate screen pemanantly along with the other thousands of things it does!!

futuresbright: does ilauncher maintain the orientation when you open and close the keyboard?
V

you can edit the registy just serch you reg for landscape and portrat copy the landscape ones and past them over the portrat one but why would you want to do this?

This is a good option to have, I think it will be very useful for people who use the keyboard a lot.

ill try and find the exact keys and values for you to change but if you want to change back youl have to edit the reg or hard reset

sorry posted reply away from device last night.forget what I said about ilauncher it does revert back to portrait once keyboard is opened and closed.sorry.

n00b question:
How does one regedit on a PPC?!?!
Thanks for the answers guys! I just prefer the landscape orientation, and find it a pain in the arse that it reverts back to portrait when i open and close the keyboard.
~Louis x_.

I needed this feature also on my Universal. I am using it only as car navigation. So I used a magnet which I glued on the back of the car holder (brodit) thus everytime I put the Universal in the cradle (slide it in from the side) the screen automatically rotates to landscape.

i've been looking at the registry and am unable to find what to change.

I have a solution to this, but am working on a more elegant solution. I didn't look for a way through the registry.
Did javaoverride2003's suggestion above work?
V

couldn't try javaoveride's suggestion - didn't know what keys and such to play with .. hum ..
~Louis x

vijay555 said:
Yeah, I've made a hack for this. I'll release it shortly.
http://www.a1kstyle.com/viewtopic.php?p=65879
V
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Hi Vijay, - Any news on this app to stop the autorotation? Much appreciated.

Yes, VJUzumaki is pretty much finished in its current form, but I didn't release yet because I was curious if the registry editing method mentioned worked, in which case there's no need for it.
If the registry method doesn't work, I'll release it.
V

SMS in landscape

Hi guys,
Does anyone know of a way of being able to type sms in landscape mode as a default.
i.e. if i choose to type an sms the phone switches to landscape until it's sent and then flips back to portrait.
I prefer typing in landscape but so far i have had to map the hardware key to rotate the screen and have to press this before typing an sms
Just wondering if there is a more elegant method.
TIA

acg said:
Hi guys,
Does anyone know of a way of being able to type sms in landscape mode as a default.
i.e. if i choose to type an sms the phone switches to landscape until it's sent and then flips back to portrait.
I prefer typing in landscape but so far i have had to map the hardware key to rotate the screen and have to press this before typing an sms
Just wondering if there is a more elegant method.
TIA
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Hi,
I was wondering if you have found an answer for that. I'm looking to be able to do that too. Please let me know. So far, I was looking into the registry cause I guessed that we just create a key or something and it would work..or maybe not...and I have found two values for the Camera within the registry so I am sure that it would be possible to do that for the SMS and Browser as well.
I will keep on searching and let you know.

Work Around
I know this isn't the ideal way of doing it. But until someone smart enough figures out the registry entry for this idea...you can youse wisbar advanced 3, it has a setting that lets you set certain programs to rotate... hope this helps until someone figures it out!

unforseenenemy said:
I know this isn't the ideal way of doing it. But until someone smart enough figures out the registry entry for this idea...you can youse wisbar advanced 3, it has a setting that lets you set certain programs to rotate... hope this helps until someone figures it out!
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Thanks I have tried that but I didn't like it. The app took over all my settings and I would prefer just to add or change a reg key then to install another software.
Thanks again and hope to have the perfect solution for that one day...

Remarkable idea!I feel like I will love typing sms in landscape too!

Landscape in Diamond 2?

I have searched heaven and hell to find a way to get the D2 running in landscape view, that is for it to switch to landscape view when you rotate the screen. So far I have found apps that allows everything but manilla and its tabs (including home page) run in landscape.
Is there a way to do this?

Lorddeff07 said:
I have searched heaven and hell to find a way to get the D2 running in landscape view, that is for it to switch to landscape view when you rotate the screen. So far I have found apps that allows everything but manilla and its tabs (including home page) run in landscape.
Is there a way to do this?
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You can make use of the Topaz drivers itself to do auto-rotation. You do not need to install additional application running in background.
There're some registry editings to be done. Nevertheless, you can use this application to help you enter those into the whitelist. You need to soft-reset after inputting all the applications you'd like to auto rotate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487991

furi_k said:
You can make use of the Topaz drivers itself to do auto-rotation. You do not need to install additional application running in background.
There're some registry editings to be done. Nevertheless, you can use this application to help you enter those into the whitelist. You need to soft-reset after inputting all the applications you'd like to auto rotate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487991
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I tried that, along with changescreen. I still can't bet the tabs screens to rotate. I don't know what I am doing wrong.

Lorddeff07 said:
I tried that, along with changescreen. I still can't bet the tabs screens to rotate. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
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Landscape manila for d2 is more annoying then useful, if you tilt the phone past the tilt point either way (portrait or landscape) it will rotate and take at least half a second to change screen, and it enerally takes more to come back to portrait. This makes it difficult to immediately read stuff or accept calls as the screens changing layout and the buttons end up in different places.
Landscape would only be useful on phones like the pro2 and it's previous variants when you need landscape while the keyboards out. Other than that just make your mail programs etc landscape capable.
There are other threads with reg keys and apps to use, just follow those and see if they give you success.
Cheers,
Scott

Graphics from the manila tabs aka TD2 homescreen are not designed for lanfscape view, therefor its like Scott (post #4) sayd, more annoying than usefull.

Thanks a lot guys. I think I see your point. Funny thing is that it was my recently installed S2U app that drove it home. It was annoying as hell when it kept switching to views.

auto rotate not working in apps and startmenu?

has anyone experienced this...?
autorotation works in some apps like: music and phototab, messaging, opera....
but like the start menu NOT! and also apps like Resco file explorer...
is this possible? to make rotation work in all apps???

Apps rotation
Good point
It should be.
There is a white list that lists which apps auto rotate.
Never used it, but I might need to for this one.
kurniawan77 said:
has anyone experienced this...?
rotation works in some apps like: music and phototab, messaging, opera....
but like the start menu NOT! and also apps like Resco file explorer...
is this possible? to make rotation work in all apps???
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You might want to look at Gyrator.

You "just" have to add application entries in the registry. Their was a tool that do it for olders phones (Diamond2, etc.). G-Config was its name. The problem is the app using the "stylet entered" event.... That, obviously, cannot be used by our HD2... Maybe the author may change things to work with HD2

alright... i thought i have read it somewhere about the whitelist... but i just can't find it.
One of u knows the .exe for startmenu? to start with...

The sensor whitelist exists on registry keys HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList for Window classes or HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName for program names.
For instance, sensor can be enabled in the Start Menu (default/honeycomb one) and S2U2 with the following:
Code:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList]
"Start"="MSSTARTMENU"
"S2U2"="S2U2"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName]
"S2U2"="\Program Files\S2U2\s2u2.exe"
Hopefully, Gyrator will work without stylus one day.

Hopefully, Gyrator will work without stylus one day.
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Gyrator works on HD2 as long as you know the Windows Class Names of apps. Some are given on the website of Gyrator.

Yunabeco said:
Hopefully, Gyrator will work without stylus one day.
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bartveld said:
Gyrator works on HD2 as long as you know the Windows Class Names of apps. Some are given on the website of Gyrator.
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He was referring to the fact that you used to be able to "teach" Gyrator a new class/window name by running the app in question and removing the stylus. This prompted Gyrator to get said info from the topmost application. Was a very nice feature. I don't know if there's any spy type applications for windows mobile, but you need one if you don't know this info.

Yes, that particular function was what I was referring to. As for finding out window class names, I'm using Dotfred's Task Manager, which has a tab showing window class names, although it involves looking in a long list instead of just pressing a button while in the window.
EDIT: Correcting my mistake quickly: Tap-holding a process name, tapping Details and choosing the Windows tab shows the windows opened by that particular process. Why I didn't find that out before is beyond me.

alright... tried a few things but no go
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList]
Name: Start
String: MSSTARTMENU (Didn't find MSSTARTMENU in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Rai either.....
and tried
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName]
Name: RescoExplorer
String: \Program Files\Resco Explorer\Explorer.exe
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList]
Name: RescoExplorer
String: RescoExplorer
But still no go!!

I don't know if this is me just being stupid or just the program.
I have the navipanel activated on my HD2 and can access copilot etc in landscape.
however when I select the dial feature the phone app comes up but it is still in portrait mode.
I installed Gyrator and the phone app does now rotate whenever I turn the phone to landscape or portrait.
But when I call the phone app up while the phone is in landscape it still opens it in portrait.
What I would like to know is is there any way of calling the phone app up and for it to immediately appear in landscape format?
Would using the rotatescreen.exe file be more useful for me?
I hope that makes sense and appreciate any advice you may have.
Paul.

Yunabeco said:
The sensor whitelist exists on registry keys HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList for Window classes or HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName for program names.
For instance, sensor can be enabled in the Start Menu (default/honeycomb one) and S2U2 with the following:
Code:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\WhiteList]
"Start"="MSSTARTMENU"
"S2U2"="S2U2"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName]
"S2U2"="\Program Files\S2U2\s2u2.exe"
Hopefully, Gyrator will work without stylus one day.
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excellent! Thanks that works. Btw, what would be teh modulename and whitelist name for the messaging (SMS/MMS)? I'm assuming for the modulename is TMAIL? What about for whitelist name? THanks again

Works for me too!
Shame there is no nice rotating animation like in photo veiwer but at least it works!
Cheers!

I'm using Zensor2 for auto rotating. Works well for me.

this app is amazing, thanks for the tip!!!
only thing I'm still wondering is how to disable the auto-rotation for the WM6.5 lock screen. I've been googling to find out the window class name but have been unable to find it, and I cant run dotfred task manager once the device is locked- anybody else that might know how to prevent the lock screen from rotating??
thanks a lot in advance!

I upgraded to the HD2 this week from a Tytn 2 and use my phone in my car usually for the sat nav and have the phone set sideways in the holder to give me widescreen.
However, whenever I needed to use the phone on the HD2 the dialer screen would always appear in portrait and so I have had to learn to dial with my head tilted to the side!!!
After posting about my problems with getting the phone app to rotate I did a bit of detective work and think I have fixedd it.
I added the following registry key to whitelist in the GSensor bit of the registry.
Name Data
Phone \Windows\cprog.exe
After a restart voila, the phone dialer will now open up in landscape.
I hope this is helpful to others who want to use the phone in landscape.
Paul

How well does zensor2 work here, and does it autostart with the phone? It is possible to set up exceptions in zensor2?

hi, nice to see that im not the only one expirience problems with it. i switch back to use 'changescreen' app to turn the screen. i used it bevore on athena and it has some real nice options.
its working well on hd2 so i keep it.
regards mad

firstandlast said:
I upgraded to the HD2 this week from a Tytn 2 and use my phone in my car usually for the sat nav and have the phone set sideways in the holder to give me widescreen.
However, whenever I needed to use the phone on the HD2 the dialer screen would always appear in portrait and so I have had to learn to dial with my head tilted to the side!!!
After posting about my problems with getting the phone app to rotate I did a bit of detective work and think I have fixedd it.
I added the following registry key to whitelist in the GSensor bit of the registry.
Name Data
Phone /Windows/cprog.exe
After a restart voila, the phone dialer will now open up in landscape.
I hope this is helpful to others who want to use the phone in landscape.
Paul
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Thanks! It's helped me!!

firstandlast said:
I upgraded to the HD2 this week from a Tytn 2 and use my phone in my car usually for the sat nav and have the phone set sideways in the holder to give me widescreen.
However, whenever I needed to use the phone on the HD2 the dialer screen would always appear in portrait and so I have had to learn to dial with my head tilted to the side!!!
After posting about my problems with getting the phone app to rotate I did a bit of detective work and think I have fixedd it.
I added the following registry key to whitelist in the GSensor bit of the registry.
Name Data
Phone \Windows\cprog.exe
After a restart voila, the phone dialer will now open up in landscape.
I hope this is helpful to others who want to use the phone in landscape.
Paul
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I have done this, and it works great... except for when opening the phone app whilst in the Navi Panel.
When the Navi Panel is in Portrait, and you access the phone, it starts in Portrait, but allows you to rotate to landscape. However, when you use Navi Panel in landscape, and access the phone, the phone screen opens in Portrait and does not rotate! I'm sure there is a logical reason, but i'm afraid i'm not that clever...