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Hooking up a USB Hardisk to the HTC Universal

Hi People!
Is it Yes or Not possible to hook up a USB hardisk to the HTC Universal (providing the hard disk is powered externaly) to exchange file between the Universla and the Hardisk?

No

I'm sure some day there'll be a way, but dont hold your breath...

So does it have USB host? I thought the previous conclusion was that it didn't come enabled after all?
Why do you want to hook up a drive anyhow? What's wrong with a UNC connection over WiFi?

Why not use a 4GB SD card?

Hi
i use my Toshiba e800 as storage transfer solution of my pictures.
I connect an 80GB usb hardrive to the toshiba and insert my 2gb lexar memories on the CF slot for backup photos on hollidays ....
The issue is ? thoes the universal have usb host function ????

fcaeiro said:
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The issue is ? thoes the universal have usb host function ????
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No they don't.
We all hope it's just a matter of OS/Drivers and maybe a day in the future an update will give Universal usb host capability.
Roberto

Forget it. Only the CPU supports the USB Host feature. HTC chose not to include the neccessary remaining hardware on the device's mainboard, hence something a driver can never cure.

What about an SDIO USB host? Possible? Do they exist already?

Buy a laptop if you need that much space. This isn't a PC, it is a phone with PDA functionality. Show me any other PDA you can do this to? You can't.

saldous said:
Buy a laptop if you need that much space. This isn't a PC, it is a phone with PDA functionality. Show me any other PDA you can do this to? You can't.
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Toshiba 740
Toshiba E800
Toshiba E830
Asus (several models)
Siemens Pocket loox
And several other i don't know by head....

for me it will be the nicest thing in order to use the digicam as a usb drive in order to copy/send pictures

xiasma said:
What about an SDIO USB host? Possible? Do they exist already?
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That's what I was alluding to earlier, shouldn't be too long before they're available, I read about them on some website a couple of months ago but I can't find the flippin' link now.
Can't honestly say I'd use that much memory though, 2Gb is enough for me for the forseeable future.

when comparing mb / £ a HDD is the only real solution so far,
especially if you want vga res videos running. SD cards are good but only having 1-4 movies on a 2gb card becomes a pain.
i use a 2.5" hdd in a caddy hardly bigger than the drive, its only a 10gb drive atm as it is all that was avaliable "freely" :wink: , but it is WAY WAY WAY handier than a handful of SD's to ship data around
hdd usb conectivity would only be an interim step in the right direction, when 40gb+ SD type cards are mainstream and can be housed in the universal without ever needing to swap to your "videos" sd or your "music" sd or your "data" sd, then we are approaching the ideal situation.
but we wont get there until the basics are met first.

usb thumb drive instead of PC?

I tried searching to see if this has already been discussed, but like all vBulletin forums, the search function rejected USB and Pen (as in pen drive) and a few other essential but three-letter words. So I found zero.
I have a 4 GB USB U3 thumb drive that I always carry with me--until I lose it, that is. I would like to load it up activesync (or not--whatever works) and a whole bunch of files I want to install on my HTC Touch Pro (AT&T Fuze). I have a short cable with a male mini USB connector at one end and a female regular-sized USB connector on the other (so I can slip the male USB thumb drive connector into the cable and thence connect it to my TouchPro).
I'm not sure whether this will work, but it seems like it should. This way, I can carry with me all of my files-to-be-installed and work on customizing my fuze anytime, anywhere. I don't want to store the installation files on my micro SD card because that wee thing holds soooo very little. (i have a 32 GB F card and a 32 GB SD card in my iP 211.)
For starters, I can't even figure out how to install Windows Mobile Device Center on the thumb drive--the process keeps wanting to mess with the AS/Winmobile Device Center already istalled (and used for another WM device).
Maybe there's a way to do with without AS or the Device Center. That's fine with me. All I care about is having access to the many, many apps I have waiting on the flash drive.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Sandra

Im no expert, but I dont think many devices have the capability for being hosts, meaning they cant have external memory devices attach except through the supplied card slot.
There are a couple out there which can handle it, but they normally come with a usb port built in. Otherwise I doubt its possible. I dont think its one of those things which can be programmed. Of course, I could be entirely wrong about it.
Edit: Ok, im completely wrong about it. I just found a web page through google saying that many devices with wm on dating back to Pocket PC 2002 do in fact have the ability to do it.
My bad. lol
http://www.mypdacafe.com/articles.php?id=219

See this threads for discussion on Touch Pro's USB host possibilities:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411905
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411905&highlight=usb+host

sfrrr said:
I don't want to store the installation files on my micro SD card because that wee thing holds soooo very little.
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What size do you have? They are currently available up to 16 gig, and 32 is coming. I keep all my cabs on my Sandisk 16. As for USB host, see the post above with the link to the thread. The chipset does not appear to support it. BTW, if you do a search on "USB host", you will find the thread.

I'm about to follow those links you guys recommended, but I wanted to say a quick thanks to you all. I didn't know anything about USB hosting, etc, and it's a whole lot easier to think anything is possible if you don't know anything than if you are well-educated. (OTOH, I suppose that that knowing might also inhibit experimenting which means you don't pursue new ideas. Hence the box we have to think outside of.)
Thanks again,
Sandra

I'd recommend a Trio adapter: Trio is not a brand name, just a mechanical name they have given this adapter. I had one made by A-Data and its awesome.
The adapter itself is an SD card that accepts a MicroSD on the side. However, the neat part is the fact that you can remove a piece and voila! you have a USB stick.
http://memoryworld.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=14&products_id=386 is the first hit from google. I bought mine from Newegg way back in the day. Sadly it was ran over when my phone was. The MicroSD card was good, but the adapter died. I am saving up to get the new SDHC version and a 16GB MicroSD card.
BE ADVISED: there are similar products out there called DUAL adapters: the memory is non removable in those. What that means is that there is no MicroSD card that comes out.
Enjoy!

FAT32 File Limitation

I have many movies that I want to put on my tablet to watch. Most are over 4 GB in size since their HD. You cant transfer them to the SD because of the FAT32 size limitation. Since Android doesn't recognize SD cards formatted to EXT3, you cant format the SD that way to allow the higher size file transfers.
I got myself an adapter on ebay so I could hook my portable 1TB drive to the tab. It connects the usb end of the tab cable and makes it into the micro usb end that goes into the drive. Only problem is that it didn't work. The tab doesn't put out any power to run the drive.
Is there an app or tweak that can be made to have the tab push power out to do this?

dubie76 said:
I have many movies that I want to put on my tablet to watch. Most are over 4 GB in size since their HD. You cant transfer them to the SD because of the FAT32 size limitation. Since Android doesn't recognize SD cards formatted to EXT3, you cant format the SD that way to allow the higher size file transfers.
I got myself an adapter on ebay so I could hook my portable 1TB drive to the tab. It connects the usb end of the tab cable and makes it into the micro usb end that goes into the drive. Only problem is that it didn't work. The tab doesn't put out any power to run the drive.
Is there an app or tweak that can be made to have the tab push power out to do this?
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Link to said device?

natious said:
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Doesnt matter because it doesnt work........

USB Host Adaptors do not put out power of any decent level on the TAB, this is not a software limitation as I understand it but actually a Hardware Limitation in the pinouts. Most USB Host/USB On The Go portable devices don't put out the sort of power required for a HDD.
At any rate, said device should work with an externally powered HDD, instead of a USB powered one.

Whether the videos are mkv or avi. You can get a splitter software.
Splitting is much faster than Transcoding. You can split your files within seconds and then copy them over.
Trust me. I know it's inconvenient, but it's just so stupid how manufacturers keep ignoring USB host.

How much room is inside the Nexus 7?

As the title asks.. How much space would you say is actually inside the nexus 7? Is everything super tight in there?
Reason I ask is that I have an idea. I am wondering if there is enough room to stuff the internals of a really thin SD Card reader in there. If yes,
then the next question is there room to access the wires going to the micro USB port? The plan would be to solder in the wires from a OTG cable and run it to the Card reader.
So basically I am wondering if it's possible to wire in a card reader, run it as OTG and have a Nexus 7 with expandable storage..?
P.S. I don't have a nexus 7 and I ask because if this is possible I might as well buy the $199 8gb version and use the money saved to buy the parts needed to make this work. (if it's even possible)

NicholasQ said:
As the title asks.. How much space would you say is actually inside the nexus 7? Is everything super tight in there?
Reason I ask is that I have an idea. I am wondering if there is enough room to stuff the internals of a really thin SD Card reader in there. If yes,
then the next question is there room to access the wires going to the micro USB port? The plan would be to solder in the wires from a OTG cable and run it to the Card reader.
So basically I am wondering if it's possible to wire in a card reader, run it as OTG and have a Nexus 7 with expandable storage..?
P.S. I don't have a nexus 7 and I ask because if this is possible I might as well buy the $199 8gb version and use the money saved to buy the parts needed to make this work. (if it's even possible)
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Even if you could fit it in and wire it up, how you gonna write to it? If it's "hooked up" via the OTG cable you spliced into the existing cable to the Micro-USB port, it's a fair bet that the device will not "also" be able to connect USB to the PC at the same time. And this is assuming it were even possible to begin with for the device to write to an external SD Card via OTG directly. I know that the Flash or SD card can be pre-loaded with media PRIOR to being connected to the Nexus, but I I don't know if A: The Nexus can write directly to said card or B: it could so so while also connected to Windows. The first one someone who has an OTG cable can check easily enough. But that last one is impossible to check on a device that isn't already modded. Also remember that as far as Android is concerned, you already have an SD card. It's just virtual. Not sure how it would handle having two. Honestly I doubt this would work but you could always try.

As I recall - the Memo 370T did have an SD card reader.
From the IFixit teardown, the motherboard in the Nexus 7 is from the Memo 370T.
There is definitely a spot for the (removed) back facing camera, and as I recall
the SD pads are available. Of course, that might have been for HDMI, since the presenter units had an HDMI connector.
Have fun tearing your Nexus 7 apart - nothing is worth the risk to me.
I like my Nexus 7 as it is...

Landara said:
Even if you could fit it in and wire it up, how you gonna write to it? If it's "hooked up" via the OTG cable you spliced into the existing cable to the Micro-USB port, it's a fair bet that the device will not "also" be able to connect USB to the PC at the same time. And this is assuming it were even possible to begin with for the device to write to an external SD Card via OTG directly. I know that the Flash or SD card can be pre-loaded with media PRIOR to being connected to the Nexus, but I I don't know if A: The Nexus can write directly to said card or B: it could so so while also connected to Windows. The first one someone who has an OTG cable can check easily enough. But that last one is impossible to check on a device that isn't already modded. Also remember that as far as Android is concerned, you already have an SD card. It's just virtual. Not sure how it would handle having two. Honestly I doubt this would work but you could always try.
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I've used OTG on my Nexus S and what it does is mounts the USB stick or SDcard as and external drive. So basically, yea you will have to go into the USB OTG app and mount the SD card to start using it. I never played around with it enough to see exactly how it works so maybe somebody with experience can fill us in with that.
I see your point about plugging in the tablet into the computer. But I don't see why it couldn't at least charge the device even if you mounted the SD card. I could be wrong, I am no expert.
I thought that the OTG app actually enabled you to use the internal sd and external USB storage at the same time. Somebody please clarify. So if that's true, then browsing, play videos/games/etc should work as normal. It will just treat it as another drive.
I don't know how it would work if you plugged it into your USB port on your computer with OTG enabled and the SD card mounted but like I said, maybe somebody who specializes in this can clear this up.

[Q] Hard Drives & MicroSD

1. What format does the drive need to be to be read by the MOJO?
At the time of this writing: Hard drives need to be NTSC. They are mounted as READ ONLY, so you will not be able to save files. Bummer.
2. Same question, except for a 64GB MicroSDXC format...?
At the time of this writing: microSD must be formatted as FAT32 with 32K cluster size. They need to be set as a PRIMARY drive rather than LOGICAL.

1. NTFS or FAT32 usb 2.0 HDs work. I've tried USB 3.0 HDs and so far those haven't worked
2. I havn't tested a 64gig micro sd but most Android devices only recognize up to 32GB sd cards.

I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?

ExtremeRyno said:
I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?
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I'm using a 64gb micro sd, format FAT. Works great.

Try exFat. It's the "standard" format for SDXC type cards and unlike Fat32 you're not limited to files less than 4 gigs in size. It's the format i use on my Galaxy Note 10.1 (last year's model). It should come in exFat anyway.
Or the simplest solution would be to rip open the packaging, stick it in the MOJO and if it tells you it needs to be formatted format it. That way it's in whatever format the MOJO prefers and your pc/laptop in all likelihood will recognise the format.
Also I'm guessing you're just going to leave it in there most of the time. To avoid card readers and sync cables I normally use FTPServer on my phone and tablet and the filezilla client on the pc, and to transfer stuff to the network drive I use the android ftp client andftp (there are file explorers like ES Explorer which can handle samba connections and FTP connections but I find they're a bit slower).
Avoid NTFS on flash media. From what I've been told it uses too many read/writes which isbad for flash media due to their limited write cycles.

Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.

ExtremeRyno said:
Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.
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No ExFat support? Wow. Mad Catz put NO effort into the software of this device, did they. Just using the stock OS without bothering to add in bluetooth 4.0 support and just throwing in a dongle to compensate (various phone providers, i.e. HTC have a history of providing a better than stock bluetooth stack), no camera support, no exFat support (this just makes them cheapskates since they just needed to license it crom Microsoft like the phone makers that provide it on their phones and tablets).
I still have time to decide. I was planning on buying it on amazon, sending it to a friend and then having them bring it when they visited in order to avoid the overpriced shipping and import fees but I'm starting to think I'd be better off with a cheap quadcore A15 device with an SoC like the A80 from allwinner and a Moga controller. It would be cheaper, have better play store support and be more versatile from what I'm reading on here...
Considering how little effort they've put into the software I wouldn't be surprised if they never got around to the KitKat upgrade. Companies who put more effort into the OS often fail whdn it comes to promised upgrades. And if Mad Catz never upgrades the OS it means users are limited to just ONE USB port which seriously cuts dow on usability.

Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?

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Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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yes beacause if there's no update to kitkat the BT smart dongle is in one already and will have to stay there.
I think it will come out, they have said it would a few times now. so just a matter of when.
yip I tested mine, no exFat support... a bit of a shame

Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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jjprichards said:
Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.

Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?

jjprichards said:
What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?
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Why use a usb to transfer data when you can pull data/stream data from your pc?

saenta said:
Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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First of all, the point is that you're not getting the functionality promised. You are told that it's a micro-console with TWO usb ports and you can either give up the controller, or give up a usb port. Secondly a usb hub can be an okay solution but you then have to worry about getting a normal one or a powered one and how much it will affect throughput splitting it up depending on what devices you have attached. And as is others here have reported problems in using both USB drives simultaneously (and that some drives work better in one than the other).
Yes, streaming is good, you can actually use it right now if you´re just talking about transferring files, but if you're told you'll get two USB ports you should GET two functional and available usb ports.
KitKat upgrade. They've mentioned it, but don't think there's actually an official announcement. Plus they could have had that functionality there since the beginning. Smartphone and tablet makers add/take away functionality from Android and its Kernel. Heck, people HERE do it all the time. So why can't Mad Catz. And how long exactly do people have to wait for the upgrade? As the saying goes, buy a device for what it can do today, not what it can do tomorrow. Manufacturers often don't come through on promised upgrades.
Also to say that you/they support SDXC without a disclaimer saying that you can't use exFat is fraudulent as exFat is STANDARD on SDXC. If they made all this clear from the beginning it wouldn't be so bad but they don't and as such mislead their (potential) clients. Who cares about friendly and speedy support if they can't actually solve the issues present?

I would use the USB to hold a thumb drive full of data like the ISOs I've ripped from my GameCube and PSX for emulation. (Trying to get my wife to give up the Wii to our son when the Android port of Dolphin reaches maturity).

Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?

ExtremeRyno said:
Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?
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Are getting any message when you stick it in?

solsearch said:
Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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When you put the USB in, do you see it say, preparing USB in the top left?
You then have to go to your mojo settings, storage, and 'mount USB'.
It will. Then show up.
To unmount, go to settings, storage, unmount.
Working now?

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Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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Nothing.
When it was formatted as exFAT, I could at least get to the storage options...just wouldn't mount.

I'm trying an extHD to connect.
First try 1 partition 1TB NTFS - recognized and mounted without problems on USB 3.0 port. (but NTFS don't work on my LG G2)
2nd try 4 partitions 1,2,3,4, extFat 256GB recognized, but can't mount. (but works fine on LG G2)
3rd try 4 partitions 1 NTFS, 2,3 extFat and 4 NTFS - don't work
4rd try 1 partition 1TB extFat - can't mount.
So, I let this thing NTFS formatted now. :silly:
If the M.O.J.O could be rooted, we could use tools to mount ALL formats and ALL partitions.
Solution for my rooted LG G2 was simple. " Paragon NTFS & HFS+ " is a free tool in Play Store.
NTFS is r/w now on my smartphone and r/o on the Mojo.