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Donate My Crushed G1

Please be kind to me as this is my first post on XDA although I have been reading and utilizing these forums for quite some time. If this question has already been addressed, please let me know. I have already searched the forum and was unable to find anything on the subject but perhaps I wasn't as diligent as I could have been.
I left my G1 on the roof of my car and it fell off and was run over by a car. I already ordered a new one which will arrive in two days (I do nightly nandroid backups so all is well in that department). I would, however, like to donate the crushed G1 to one of the developers on this site so that they can salvage it for parts. Believe it or not, I was actually able to boot to the recovery screen and do a wipe (Alt-W). Obviously I could not see this as the screen is crushed but it rebooted after I hit Back+Home so I am pretty certain that there are some valuable working parts for someone who knows what they are doing.
I have taken advantage of the ROMs on this forum for awhile (Kavana's WinMo 6.1) as well as How-To posts (Apps2SD, Rooting G1, Nandroid, MAM, etc.) and countless other posts to keep my phone in perfect working order, and would like to give at least a little back to the hard working developers here. I would like a moderator to assist me in getting the phone into the hands of the right developer. I am sure it has some value to someone. I am pretty certain that the motherboard is in working condition as well as the keyboard and various other parts (it still vibrates on boot). I don't know much about hardware as I am largely a developer and a user. I don't want to take it apart only to find out that I have ruined what was once a good part. Ebay was an option but I figure that I will actually get more value out of donating it since XDA is literally my lifeline and smartphones would just plain suck without this site.
Please reference the attached photos. Sorry they are not so great. They were taken on my Dash because I was too lazy to take out my good camera.
Post replies here and we can go from there.
Thanks,
Aaron

Cool I'm sure someone will find this useful. You might want to save the battery so you have two

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Cool I'm sure someone will find this useful. You might want to save the battery so you have two
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haha ill take it

i was gonna say send that battery my way because the one i have drains too fast for me and a new one cost like 60 bux.

ill take it... i know im not a dev but ive been wanting to learn how to take the g1 apart and put it back together but i couldnt justify the price of buying one.. ill surely make a guide (both a pictoral one and a video on youtube)... if not i understand

PM Sent to you a little earlier.

jaygajay said:
i was gonna say send that battery my way because the one i have drains too fast for me and a new one cost like 60 bux.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320374959323#ht_1969wt_907
heres a solution

I believe you should donate it to one of the members working on finding the jtag pins so the people who were effected by the spl brick might have a second chance

Amazon sells them as well for about $7 + $3 for shipping.. OEM, safe..never had issues..

I am keeping the battery which still works. Now I have three! The battery door is crushed too. My goal is for the phone to better not just one person in need of parts but the community in general. If a developer can use this to help out the rest of us it will have been worth it. Like I have stated, I am not sure what use it will be but I am sure that someone out there can utilize it for the benefit of the rest of us.

jusplainmike said:
I believe you should donate it to one of the members working on finding the jtag pins so the people who were effected by the spl brick might have a second chance
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Can you, or someone else, point me in the direction of one of these developers? This sounds like a worthy cause.

brian_v3ntura said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320374959323#ht_1969wt_907
heres a solution
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ICBM said:
Amazon sells them as well for about $7 + $3 for shipping.. OEM, safe..never had issues..
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So why do T-Mobile and HTC sell them so expensive?

donate your Devices
if you would like to donate any device that you dont use.
i take any cellphone i fix them and recycle the one that dont work...
the one's that work i give it to people that need it...
also i use them to make videos take them aparts///// and e.t.c..
donate @ [email protected]

just pm you

G1 disassembly
If you want to take apart your G1, here's a good start:
http://androinica.com/2008/12/19/htc-dream-service-manual-now-available-for-download/

Donate it to one of the big Devs, EX: JesusFreke, Cyanogen, The Dude, JAC, Etc...
Im sure they can MORE then utilize an extra device in futher learning/releasing Android related ROMs.

oreoOozZz said:
Donate it to one of the big Devs, EX: JesusFreke, Cyanogen, The Dude, JAC, Etc...
Im sure they can MORE then utilize an extra device in futher learning/releasing Android related ROMs.
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A battery from HTC directly (after they first tried to deny my warranty status) is 37, shipping included.
As for a crushed device, I should try to find one in that condition since emulator will not run on my laptop. More or less the process goes make a program or update, open my sd card, load it, try it, improve it on the computer, delete the sd card copy, move the new one... very agravating.
Not to mention if you plug the device into the computer right, you can load your device AS the emulator (but I don't really want to do that to my "daily driver")

I would like to suggest a moment of silence to honor your G1.

aaronratner said:
Can you, or someone else, point me in the direction of one of these developers? This sounds like a worthy cause.
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lbcoder has expressed a desire to jtag the g1.. I'm not sure if anyone's sent a dead board his way yet.

goldenarmZ said:
lbcoder has expressed a desire to jtag the g1.. I'm not sure if anyone's sent a dead board his way yet.
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Haven't got one yet, the lead I had seems to have disappeared.
If interested in sending it for jtag study, PM me.

Even more memory!

So I was browsing the registry the other day, to see if any improvements could be enabled, no, actually I was looking for some hidden storage. Sometimes HTC phones have an additional storage, but it's hidden. But I found some additional 20mb. Don't know where it is used for.
To enable it, go to:
[HKLM]\System\StorageManager\Profiles\EXT_Pinet and set MountHidden value to 0 (zero) A soft reset may be required, in order to let it show up in your file explorer.
Anyway, I actually was searching for some 8gb om hidden internal storage to tripple confirm that the HD2 was WM7 compatible, as based on some leaked hardware req. for WM7. but... i could not found it.

WM7 does not need 8GB, it needs only 512MB. Don't believe the bull**** you read somewhere, all the bloggers have no clue.

TRUTH, Im so sick of hearin these bs specs spread around the forum

window mobile 7 only need 512mb not 8gb (even window xp on a computer does not need that mach of memory)

Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!

lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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srry, i can't surpress a smile... it was not my intention, i hope you realize that, but, the reg edit works for me. hard reset my device often.

lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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Its only your fault, how can u trust him when he wrote: "...Don't know where it is used for..."
Good luck with restoring your settings.

i can confirm that on mine this works. i put stuff in it, reset, and the data remains. phone seems unaffected.

Man, bigger the game bigger the risk!
On my previous two HTC devices I was keen to explore each patch/new rom/new app. Hence weekly hard resets
Now with my Leo, I'm much calmer as I don't have anymore the time you spent reinstalling everything.
Good luck exploring further

This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.

lorin.bute said:
This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.
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Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
And who is crying if you are not going to apply any tweaks anymore?

arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?

Shasarak said:
Do you also regard it as "naive" to believe that one can use a mobile phone outside a train station without being mugged and having it stolen? And when such a mugging occurs, do you feel that the person to blame for what happened is the victim rather than the mugger?
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?
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This was a poor comparison. If you lay the phone at a bench, and going to the toilet, yes, it's a naive thing to do.
(I regret on my participation in this thread)

Shasarak said:
This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
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lol - that is a bit different isn't it! It's not as if the mugger thought they were giving good advice, but unfortunately ended up attacking someone and stealing from them. Intention makes that a very different scenario.
In this instance, there's immediately 2 people saying that the advice worked for them, so nothing could have been done either by the recommender, or the listener. If lorin.brute had left it a few posts before applying the change then he would have seen people say it worked for them and gone ahead and done it. If hyellow had asked a couple of people to test it for him then the exact same thing could have happened.
I think this is just unfortunate.
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
(There you go - I've used an excessive analogy now too )

We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.

Shasarak said:
Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional?
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True but I think that at the same time people should also use common sense and do a full system back up (with Sprite or whatever their preferred programme is) "just in case". Then it's just hard reset and 5 minutes to restore to how it was.

arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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Really? Haven't had to hard reset my HD2 yet, in 7 months didn't have to hard reset my X1 either. If you're judicious I think you can generally avoid hard resets.

johncmolyneux said:
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
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The problem with that analogy is that, if I'm driving a car, that implies that I have a fair idea of what the consequences of driving too fast will be. In this case we are talking about someone offering advice to people who are not qualified to understand the nature of the risk they are taking by following it.
A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades. You yourself may deal with razor-blade-containing cake on a daily basis, and so you know to carefully sift through it with a spoon before biting; but people who are accustomed to cake that doesn't contain razor blades simply aren't aware that you need to do this. If you assume that the person you give the cake to is aware that it may contain razor blades without bothering to verify that he is, and he ends up getting lacerated, then you are far more to blame for the injury than he is. What you should do in that situation, of course, is actually check whether the cake contains razor blades or not before offering it to anybody; that way it's guaranteed that no one will get hurt, regardless of whether they are familiar with razor blade cake procedures or not. And it is not appropriate to point at the man with the lacerated mouth and accuse him of being "naive" because, when you offered him cake, he assumed that meant it was safe to eat.

I'm not getting in an analogy war with someone, especially someone on the forum that I respect, so I'll drop it. We obviously just see this from different perspectives, and I believe we should agree to disagree
Anyway, lorin.brute himself said it best...
lorin.brute said:
We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.
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See - we're both right lol

Shasarak said:
A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades.
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Not quite, The OP didn't have any problem after applying the tweak, and nor did the following two people, so why would they 'know' it was dangerous? After three posts 100% of people had found no problem, so why would anyone assume it was going to go bad?

Your worst nightmare. Lost phone.

I've had the HD2 since November. This forum has been a revelation. But a few hours ago I lost the phone. It's gone for good. No insurance, no location software, unlocked, 16gb sd card. Adios amigo.
Perhaps not my finest hour. Sadly, I wasn't even drunk. Just fell out of my pocket in the taxi cab. It seems some people in Poland aren't that honest. I contacted the actual cab 20min later through the company but it wasn't there.
Anyway, I still consider myself a lucky guy. This was my first foray into the world of smartphones and through an almost free upgrade on t-mobile uk i got the phone for only 100gbp (+40 for the sd card). I bought a few apps and pirated quite a few more, so perhaps this is karma at work.
Writing this is somewhat therapeutic for me but the need to find a replacement is paramount so this also allows all you guys to share your wisdom, if you will..
No other phone matches the HD2 for screen size. It's pure luxury - ok its not AMOLED, but I've looked just now - and AMOLED is maxed at 3.7" - a significant downgrade.
The other issue is the pirating of software. I know it's wrong but I think we can all agree it's the most convenient way to test apps before buying.
However, WMP7S has left me somewhat unimpressed, I think Android is where it's at right now - development is on fire on that platform. Am I wrong? should I wait to see what happens on wm7 - i suspect that would take a year at least
So what are my options? Whichever phone I pick must be supported by XDA.... (I know I don't have many posts yet, but I chose my name for a reason... )
HTC Desire? HTC Bravo? Samsung Pico (Projector phone!!!) What's coming up?
I suspect this is the year of the smartphone and my academic year is almost up so I can perhaps hold off until the summer before buying. (Back to my w810 - still the toughest phone ever built imo)
Thanks for listening and hopefully replying.... time to roll...

All Day On XDA said:
....I... pirated quite a few more (apps)..., ..
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You absolutely will not win many friends on here with the statement above.
WB

I'm not proud but I'm not rich either - I'm trying to do Med School on the cheap and its not easy. If a simple google search gives me free software, only a fool would say no.
This has only been a brief visit to the Windows platform since Windows 7 came out. For 3 years prior to that I was using linux.
Virtually all the apps I use regularly,eg FPSECE, I paid for the supporter version. There's plenty of programs that don't survive more than 2 weeks.
I apologise to anyone who may feel insulted. My intent is not to steal, but to get value for money.
Is this further weight to switch to Open platforms?

HTC Supersonic
problem solved - just have to wait again

Try out the 'premium features' on htt p://myphone.microsoft.c om/
Lock your phone
Lock your phone so that it cannot be used by anyone else. You can also enter a message to display on your phone's screen to tell the finder how to contact you.
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And that's if it can't be found through GPS...

All Day On XDA said:
If a simple google search gives me free software, only a fool would say no.
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You can Google a lot of things. So you should steal them? No need to respond. Just wait 10 years when you have your own medical practice and you start getting people stiffing you on the bill. They probably found your location via Google.

Touche, and a fair point. I wont try to defend piracy with any real heart - I accept it's wrong even if the end justifies the means ('end' being good software, 'means' being fracturing a few rules)
Thanks for the MyPhone tip - I've locked the phone at least.
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I had a crack on my screen, it wasn't too bad and I took it to a repair place to get it fixed and they were ummming and arrring about doing it and I took the phone back and on my way across the room I dropped it and the screen shattered completely... aghhhhhhhhhhh
Then I woke up with rapid breathing and the first thing I thought was "oh thank <censored> it was just a dream/nightmare"...
LOL

willgill said:
You can Google a lot of things. So you should steal them? No need to respond. Just wait 10 years when you have your own medical practice and you start getting people stiffing you on the bill. They probably found your location via Google.
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wrong post, sorry......

Starfury said:
I had a crack on my screen, it wasn't too bad and I took it to a repair place to get it fixed and they were ummming and arrring about doing it and I took the phone back and on my way across the room I dropped it and the screen shattered completely... aghhhhhhhhhhh
Then I woke up with rapid breathing and the first thing I thought was "oh thank <censored> it was just a dream/nightmare"...
LOL
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Hahaha OMG I also had a nightmare about my phone being damaged some days ago, and just like you when I woke up I thanked the lords
We are so obsessed xD

this is just pathetic

http://http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mob/2327488580.html
Hello my name is john.
I am able to modify your
HTC EVO 4g.
to have sprint hots spot for free for lifetime!! nice huh??
that means that your not paying an extra 30$ a month for mobile hot spot.
better yet, you will get full control over your phone!
and i mean if you thought android gave you a lot of customization you have not seen anything yet.
you dont know what your missing.
============Benefits & Features============
I can put phone back to factory settings or in other words unroot your phone if you needed to send it to sprint for service
Upgrade your phone to Ginerbread! (Froyo aka 2.2 is the current version for evo) Gingerbread aka 2.3.3 has not been officially released.
Custom ROMS enable you to get better battery life, and can make your experience better!
Full control over everything in your phone.
you can overclock your phone for better performance!
I will perform a full backup of your contacts so you wont lose anyone.
Free wireless hotspot & tethering to your pc
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
New animations and you can change your boot startup! yes its possible
Create a recovery just incase of system failure
Get rid off the sprint crap off your phone that slow down your phone!
Hey check this out. when you press the stand by button. there is a cool animation. this is one of my favorite things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClA8sU5SH8
how cool is that? now whens the last time that you saw a cell phone do that!
For only 60 dollars, and the process takes only about 30 mins or less.
you can sit and watch while i do it.
Cash only accepted. Sorry
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lame

Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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Eh there's a lot of people that are completely clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Not only clueless, but too scared to even try it and don't want to take the time to learn it.
If you can make some change, take advantage of it. *shrug*

I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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stimpyshaun said:
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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Haha!
Well, heh... I didn't say he wasn't an asshole. However... I don't care, though. You going to backtrace it and report him to teh cyber police? If some poor fool wants to pay this clown $60 -- well, that's their problem.

I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.

KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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rofl...
"My custom ROM I install on your phone"
There's no way this guy developed a ROM. Someone needs to email him and ask him for more information.

beesneazy said:
Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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chicago is a 4g area...

rotfl... +1 you now have 4geez and the wifi's isn't that a deal

Ha ha I was making.money of jailbraking my friends iPhone and ipods for $10 bucks each but it all started for free but this one for 60$ mm I should start doing that Lmao jk
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cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.

starplaya93 said:
How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
starplaya93 said:
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
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again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
starplaya93 said:
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
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not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.

cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your o care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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Everything about this is garbage ... do I care? No. Some folks definitely have a stronger opinion of this than others. He takes others work and 'passes it off' as his own. I don't deny that people can't be bothered to do this stuff and will pay others for the 'work' but the wording is always the funny part. Its like me posting a listing and utilizing everyone else's contributions.
Its stupid. It's ****ing stupid and you are ****ing stupid if you pay someone to do something like this. Its like charging people to upgrade their HDD in their PS3 because they're too dense to do it themselves. Its laughable. I say whatever because there isn't anything really 'wrong' with it as this **** happens all the time ... doesn't make it any less stupid / hilariously lame. I don't, personally, care. But its still stupid.
For all I know its someone here doing it .. hell, I could do this. Its sad and cheap.
End of story.
*for your argument with lawn care ... its like cutting the grass, trimming and tossing down weed killer but you act like you are the one working the magic. 'My lawn fertilizer and weed killer is unlike anything you've ever seen. But, if in the future, weeds pop up then I cannot he blamed.' Its the wording that irks me. And it is stupid. I don't deny there are stupid and worthless people out there ... but that doesn't change the fact that this is bull****. As said, some get more worked up over this than others ... I think it would he funny to meet up with this chode and call him out though. 'Personally the screen off animation I love' or whatever he says ... c'mon, grade A chode. He is using other people's work ..
.... it would ALMOST be like 'borrowing' your neighbor's lawnmower to mow someone elses grass and get paid for it. Following along with your stupid lawnmowing analogy. Its not the end of the world ... but it is stupid. No ifs, ands or butts. Again, I don't care. Whatever, as I said. Still, stupid. And, yes - it's a fact - the majority are morons. And at the rate of Android's growth ... potential gold mine here ... doesn't change the fact its 'semi-bull****.'
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen people on CL ASKING to pay for someone to root their phone. I always email them right away, tell them about the one click root method with the video walkthrough, and to save their money. Craigslist is full of ****heads and scammers, but this is a service that people want, and just don't know where to get good information. I always get thank you emails after for showing them XDA, and saving them money.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the guy is doing. He's offering his services for a fee... Capitalism at its best!
You think how much time you've spent learning how to do this, familiarizing yourself with the process. Learning what to do when something goes wrong, etc, etc. If you're a youngin or unemployed, you have time to do this. Some people are not tech savvy, not computer literate, and think cmd is some highly technical code. These people will pay you for results.
If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.

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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc. They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing. Just because it's the status quo doesn't justify it...That is ignorant.

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If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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Its not quite the same ... I mean, I get what you're saying ... but, skills? You aren't doing anything but taking someone else's work and using it for your financial betterment. Your argument would make more sense if you were repairing hardware or something ... acknowledgment isn't given for the people that have set up these simple and idiot proof root methods ... or the ROMs themselves. Sure, they might not say they 'made' the ROMs or rooting methods ... but they didn't say they didn't, either. And they don't have to do as much. I really don't care, and dont take my multiple posts as such, but its not really the same as all the things mentioned. Especially the doctor ****. LOL
Again, Im up late so that's the only reason I'm posting ... not hating, and if you are too dense or too busy to bother .... so be it. But I wont try to trivialize it with some bull**** analogies. I get people are lazy and stupid ... but don't throw the word 'skills' out here when my 13 year old cousin with some random palsy could pull this off. Its a cheap way to take advantage of people. Nothing more. Wording and acting like it's so much more than it is ... its a crock. Throughout time people have been doing this ... doesn't make it right or less garbage. This is a specific exploitation of someone else's work / services. This isn't changing some gasket in an automobile that fits across the board. This is a pretty specific exploitation.
Surgery is a skill and service ... coming over to make you a sandwich is about what this equates to. Don't mix 'skills' and 'near still born babies incapable of doing anything for themselves' as a service or a skill. More power to you if you can make money doing this ... but it is stupid. And sad.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
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you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time? what the **** are you even talking about??? mind = blown. please, please, please explain why it is absolutely, without a doubt, physically impossible to be lazy and ignorant at the same time.
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Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
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there is no doubt that are people out there that don't know about rooting. i'm not arguing that. you said that "most" people don't know it even exists. that's a made-up statistic that you concocted in your head, probably around the same time that you started believing that it's impossible to be ignorant and lazy.
regardless, how does one know that rooting exists without anybody telling them? this is probably going to sound like i'm dividing by zero, but a possible answer is... they discover it themselves! yes, people are capable of doing that! the human brain is indeed quite impressive and capable of independent thought and education. people don't have to be told by someone that something exists. it is possible for things to be discovered without being told by someone. (how do you think america, or any physical element was discovered?)
put yourself in your grandma's shoes. she doesn't know anything about this technology stuff, but she is learning because recently she discovered that are phones out there that can do many things. these phones can let you browse the internet, use your phone as a hotspot, will even let you video chat with your grandchildren, and they even have these touchscreens that allow you to just use your fingers instead of having to press a bunch of buttons! amazing! being the curious little grandma that she is, she goes home, opens up internet.com, and decides to type "evo smartphone" into her AskJeeves toolbar that she has installed. Her mind is opened to a plethora of information where she discovers what is possible with these phones. She does her research and decides that she wants one.
the moral of the story? she wants a ****ing smartphone because of its capabilities, and she didn't learn everything she knew about because of someone telling her about it -- she did her research. "most" people dont just walk into a sprint store and buy an android smartphone not knowing what it is capable of. these people have played with sprint's demo phones, they have played with their friends' phones, they have watched youtube videos of it in action. they know what the **** the phone is capable of. being the curious humans that we are, a majority of us know for a fact that the things we buy are not limited just to what the manufactures make us believe. so don't give me that bull**** statement that you have to be psychic or have nerd friends with gadget toys to figure things out for yourself.
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this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
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okay okay, i see what you're talking about now. you seem to think that being ignorant requires one to CHOOSE to not be informed or educated. very wrong. look it up.
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Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc.
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i concur.
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They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
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explain further. what is it that you are saying is wrong: not telling people that you are rooting the phone; or the simple act of rooting the phone?
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Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing.
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this sentence is very subjective. it's good for the person taking advantage of it because that means money in his pockets and some extra food on the table for his family. it's not good for the person being taken advantage of because he/she could be doing all this for free. being taken advantage of, and then realizing that you've been taken advantage of could be good for the customer because maybe that's what it takes to open his eyes and learn from his mistakes. in that case, it could be a good thing for both parties.
now, i dont necessarily agree with his tactics. i do feel that he should just be educating people; doing it for free or even much cheaper; or be more clear (and honest) when explaining what he is doing. but, that is not the case. he's simply trying to make a quick buck, and it might be working. that doesn't make him stupid or a moron. shady? sneaky? sure, but definitely not stupid.

Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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DirtyShroomz said:
Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
Sent from my spaceship!
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With all the money made from selling weed on the side ... who can be bothered with such trivial exploitation? You think THIS is easy money? Pssh.
And I never said HE was stupid ... but that this practice is stupid. And old. Its been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. Its been happening for a while ... old news ... its so 'whatever.' *gimpy Hipster wrist*
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Sign this petition to stop htc locking bootloaders

Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

Already signed and added to sig, thanks.

Signed allredy. Hope in the future we have free Android.

thanks for this. signed up. they just lost a Sensation customer because of this.

Come on people. Hit this up

Bump again..

this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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That didn't even make sense. Dumbest thing I heard all day. Thanks for the laugh. Anyways back on topic, hit this up.

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway

Signed...................

e334 said:
In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.

greg17477 said:
Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.

do you really need 2 threads going? 1 in gneral and 1 in android?
presonally it doesnt bother me if they lock it or not, they are doing it for business reasons and as stated above money, i was going to reply to this yesterday but after typing out what i was going to put, most people would get pissy and *****y

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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
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yeah i mentioned it (they want sell and not swap the damaged ones), but not as clearly as you did

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

was just gonna post the same thing

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so

mattfmartin said:
Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
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Haha awesome. its amazing when the people speak and those in charge actually listen.

signed it!