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terminal server using VPN over umts

I am able to get a connection using Wifi with vpn and then terminal server connection to my work computer.
I am not able to do this over UMTS or GPRS, I cannot get a VPN connection.
Funny enough it seems that my UMTS connection is actually faster then when using WIFI

Your problem is interesting because I have exactly the opposite problem. I have VPN workng over UMTS, but when if I have wi-fi on & phone off, the VPN wants me to turn-on the phone to connect over UMTS!
Sorry I have no idea why this is happening.

I would like to know how both of you have done each of yours as I cant get either to work.
1. WIFI or UMTS connect...
2. Run VPN
3. Run terminal server, automatically disconnects my VPN. Servers are secure, no VPN to RDP.
Please advise your methodology as I cannot for the life of me get that VPN connection to stay on.
Dont get me wrong, UMTS, WIFI, and RDP internal of the networks works fine, just the VPN part stuffs me up

I had to create a work URL Exception under settings/connections/advanced
Once I did this there was no problem getting a VPN connection over WIFI

hmmm...
NLMCarl : may I respectuously ask wether when you turn on the wifi, it connects you to the Internet (which would explain why umts seems soo fast, since the path is the wifi then and not the umts anymore)
BBill : for your case, AFAIK, the umts is linked to the Phone provider plan (meaning the SIM card as well) so no phone means no umts at all. (very slow connection then )
Gael

Dont know if this will help but...
When I first tried a VPN over GPRS/UMTS on my Exec I, too, found that it didn't work. After a lot of testing I discovered that my provider (O2) was assigning my Exec a dynamic address on the 10.x.x.x network. Unfortuantely, my home network was also a 10.x.x.x network. Therefore, when the VPN was up and I tried to access my home network through the VPN, it didn't go through the VPN at all, but just tried to access a device on O2's local 10.x.x.x network. This, of course, didn't work.
For me, the fix was to change my ip addresses at home to avoid the conflict. I am now on 172.19.x.x at home and haven't had a problems since.
Hope this helps.
Mark

VPN via 3G/HSDPA is still unresolved ?

Hi Everyone,
Having the Shift as my workhorse since some moths, there is still one annoyance I couldn't avoid: my VPN connections are interrupting the Internet connection when using 3G/HSDPA modem connecting to Internet in Vista/WM.
I was trying to search through all existing threads, but I still don't see anyone finding a solution.
I think the root lays in WM somewhere, since I cannot establish a PPTP connection in WM neither. In my case it is certainly not caused by the data provider, because I have checked it with them.
Let's try to put our knowledge together to sort this out !

This is normal behaviour I suppose
When connected to the VPN, the VPN must provide you with either a proxy or another internet gateway, otherwise you are just connected to a private network...
Maybe you mean something else, but from what I read it seems like you never got on the internet with VPN active.
If you did, and you are talking about intermittent network errors, then only high performance settings on your power settings may help.
If you could give more info I could help more. IP/Proxy/Gateway/ did it ever work yes no etc.

lucid said:
When connected to the VPN, the VPN must provide you with either a proxy or another internet gateway, otherwise you are just connected to a private network...
Maybe you mean something else, but from what I read it seems like you never got on the internet with VPN active.
If you did, and you are talking about intermittent network errors, then only high performance settings on your power settings may help.
If you could give more info I could help more. IP/Proxy/Gateway/ did it ever work yes no etc.
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Lucid,
Thanks for replying. I will try to explain it another way.
1. When I am connected to Internet via Wifi, I have no problem using my VPN connection. I get authenticated and connected to the company network and the connection stays active as long as I want.
2. Using 3G/HSDPA Internet, the following happens:
- I start the same VPN connection, and get connected.
- Than my 3G/HSDPA connection breaks up, and the PPTP dialin stays alive - it doesn't have any use this way of course.
- When I disconnect from VPN, the 3G connection comes back automatically.
I hope this is more clear this way, any hints are very welcome !

jarbi said:
2. Using 3G/HSDPA Internet, the following happens:
- I start the same VPN connection, and get connected.
- Than my 3G/HSDPA connection breaks up, and the PPTP dialin stays alive - it doesn't have any use this way of course.
- When I disconnect from VPN, the 3G connection comes back automatically.
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Thats exactly the same problem that i have had for over months - it just doesn't work and I can't see any way to get it to work - so much so, I don't use the Shift anymore - got a Tytn II and redfly and just remote desktop to a PC on the work lan!

jarbi said:
Lucid,
Thanks for replying. I will try to explain it another way.
1. When I am connected to Internet via Wifi, I have no problem using my VPN connection. I get authenticated and connected to the company network and the connection stays active as long as I want.
2. Using 3G/HSDPA Internet, the following happens:
- I start the same VPN connection, and get connected.
- Than my 3G/HSDPA connection breaks up, and the PPTP dialin stays alive - it doesn't have any use this way of course.
- When I disconnect from VPN, the 3G connection comes back automatically.
I hope this is more clear this way, any hints are very welcome !
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The VPN that you are running is on VISTA side.(if yes try to see the routing table) by default the VPN get the default GW, and try to change it.
If this is the issue then you can go to the VPN connection properties -> Networking ->TCP/IP -> Properties -> Advanced -> IP Setings -> unchek the use the default GW on remote network.
regards

Is this a problem caused by this vista "feature", which disconnects the 3G Modem from Vista, as soon as an other network is being connected via WLan or via cable?
I think this is a stupid feature. Instead of that the users just should set the metrics for the networks manually and you can be sure, that Vista always uses the WLAN instead of the GSM/3G modem, if both where available.

alazarid said:
The VPN that you are running is on VISTA side.(if yes try to see the routing table) by default the VPN get the default GW, and try to change it.
If this is the issue then you can go to the VPN connection properties -> Networking ->TCP/IP -> Properties -> Advanced -> IP Setings -> unchek the use the default GW on remote network.
regards
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alazarid,
Thanks a ton, the TCP/IP part did the trick ! Now my VPN has a use ).
cheers !

Ok guys heres the issue...
At first I thought this problem was associated with the fact that there may have been some software monitoring for other data connections, to disable the GSM modem when not needed...
After checking into everything, I found that there is probably NO software that does this...
Since WM handles the passthrough for the 3G connection, and ontop of that the actual endpoint for the data connection on the GSM connection is the WM side and not Vista, what happens is what when the VPN creates a connection and you opt-in to use the default remote gateway (I prefer to use it, because I require this for the work I do), the default gateway is updated on the 3G network interface.
I beleive that this update of configuration, then causes the WM side to stop the connection because either a) it doesn't know howto interprit this or b) retries to create the connection because it thinks there is an error.
I havn't played with this for a few weeks, and have my fair shareof other stuff I deal with, so I cannot remember if WM NATs the 3G connection, but the key thing breaking this is the WM side.
I beleive that IF you did want to hack up a configuration that uses the remote gateway, you could configure a VPN connection under Windows Mobile and have WM connect to the VPN, therefor the PC would be using that connection (but wouldn't be aware that its connected to the VPN), therefore giving the user access to the VPN, WITH the remote default gateway being used.
Again, as I mentioned its been a while since ive gone tech on my Shift, but I beleive this is correct. If anyone wants to add anything, please feel free.

At home, GPRS vs. Wi-Fi

Everyone,
Apologies, and I know this is a stupid question, but when at home with my htc tound pro, with WiFi on, and connected, why do I need the phone on too for the WiFi to work,...?
Also, when both are on and working, which system is used, i.e., the SIM card connection or the WiFi connection,...?
WiFi I pay a flat monthly rate for unlimited data, with the SIM card I am on a fixed amount of data transfer per month,...
Thanks for listening,
ek

Well..
You may be using an application that is not Wifi aware. So, it demands a GPRS/EDGE/3G connection. So - in effect - it's not actually using the Wifi connection.
If you can use the application with Wifi on, and phone off - it's Wifi aware. (Meaning it can utilize Wifi).
If you can't use the application without the phone being on - it's not Wifi aware or has not been configured to use the Wifi.
What application are you having issues with?

thanks for getting back to me,... WM Professional 6.1 and the Internet Explorer program when going on to the web,... i'm just wondering which systems does the phone use when both are functioning,... am i using the gprs from my SIM card or am I using the wi-fi in my home,...? and why do i need the phone turned on to use the wi-fi in my home,...?
thanks again,...
ek

you can see if it's using gprs on the icon for signal str if it's showing animations
it's using gprs
otherwise it's using wifi
if you set
settings-connections-connection-advanced-select network to my homenetwork
it dont use gprs

did you set the gprs settings to your gsm provider?
i would prefer wifi over gprs/3g anyday unless if your home internet is extremely slow ( <300kbps). the battery life would be almost equal so why not a faster connection?

Rudegar said:
you can see if it's using gprs on the icon for signal str if it's showing animations
it's using gprs
otherwise it's using wifi
if you set
settings-connections-connection-advanced-select network to my homenetwork
it dont use gprs
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I'd like to understand how WM decides which network to use when it has a choice e.g. HSDPA and WiFi. I've looked at the settings mentioned above and I currently have Internet using Contract Internet (HSDPA) and Work using WiFi as the WiFi networks I connect to are firewalled and privately addressed.
What settings should I have to ensure that when I have the choice of WiFi and HSDPA (at home) I use WiFi, and when out and about I use HSDPA?

Everytime an application wants to connect to the net:
- If wifi is connected and GSM isn't, it uses Wifi
- If wifi isn't connected, it tries connecting to GSM and will use that.
- If both are connected - we don't really know what happens.
When you're at home, check that GSM is not connected (no little E, G, 3G or H on the signal bar icon, disconnect it if connected), turn on wifi, wait until the arrows have stopped moving on the Wifi icons, and now you can launch the program that wants to connect to the net, and it will use wifi.
If at this point you get a popup about the phone connecting to GSM data again, then there's a connectivity problem on your Wifi and the device can't reach the net through it.
You might want to install Modaco Nodata, it allows you do disable automatic connection to GSM so that you can be sure it doesn't connect when you don't want it to.

mine never use gprs when it have wifi

I have a Touch HD and I can make things work fine by manually turning off the data connection then turning on WiFi in the comm manager when I'm at home or vice versa when I'm out and about.
I would have thought win mobile 6.1 would have been a mature enough OS to allow this to be configured automatically. This and Opera are my only outstanding issues with the HD.

Strange. I can easily shut my phone off, enable wifi & browse fine.

Sharing Shift's HSDPA internet connection over a wireless ad hoc network?

Hi,
last time I tried to share my Shift's internet connection over an ad hoc network, so that others could go online with their own laptops.
I was not able to do this. Is is even possible? What do I have to do on my Shift?
I created a new ad hoc network and enabled the "Internet Sharing" option at the end of the setup wizard (in Vista). Then the other XP laptop successfully connected to this network but I could not get any further.
Do I have to use my Shift's wireless NIC IP address as the gateway on the other hosts? Do I have to disable my Vista firewall? I wasn't even able to ping the other device within this network.
On both systems I did not specify any host IP addresses. Is this managed by the two hosts on their own? (DCHP, DNS?)
It is a bit confusing, as I never set up such a network and with two different Operating Systems this doesn't get easier. What a about a network bridge? Do I have to unite the wireless network adapter and the SnapVue network into a new network bridge? In that case my Shift loses the internet connectivity.

Solution
Ah, I get to re-live my moment of glory by posting the working solution that I devised:
This allows you to share your Shift HSDPA internet connection with, say your laptop, so that your laptop can have internet anywhere where there is a mobile signal (and your Shift windows side is on).
The setup method is similar to the ICS instructions in Vista Help and on various internet pages, but with an extra step at the end to get it to actually work.
First thing first, you need an adhoc network connection between your Shift and your laptop. I used Wifi. This is easy to achieve using the network and sharing centre on both your Shift and your laptop. (You may need to Temporarily tone down your firwall in order to set up this adhoc network connection.)
Then you need to set up ICS on your shift. Enable the options in your Network and Sharing centre. Read the ICS instuctions in Windows help if you need help with setting these options.
Ok, so it should now work according to Vista documentation, but it doesn't. Now the trick that I found to get it to work:
Each time you wish to share your Shifts HSPDA internet with your laptop/s, do the following:
1. Connect to your ad hoc network from your shift and laptop to open the connection. (you may have set this up to establish automatically).
2. On you Shift, manage network connections and get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and DISABLE both options.
3. On you Shift, get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and ENABLE both options.
Wait about 30 seconds, and then your shifts HSPDA internet should be happily available on your laptop. (Vista indicates this by drawing a world globe on the network icon of the taskbar of your laptop.)
Repeat steps 1-3 for every time you wish to use your Shifts HSDPA internet on your laptop.
To connect your Shift to a home Broadband internet wifi, do the following steps:
1. On you Shift, manage network connections and get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and DISABLE both options.
2. Connect to the wifi home Broadband internet.

Confusion Abounds . . .
Flanimal,
I'm a bit confused, could you clarify? Here's where I'm confused. I don't have wired broadband in my house; I'm strictly cellular. So, for me, I cannot have both Wifi and HSDPA on and be able to connect to the internet. Windows 7 thinks Wifi is a better connection so it won't even try HSDPA. You said that the first step was to "connect to your network from your Shift and laptop." I assume you mean Wifi here?
From the get go I'm out of luck because I won't have internet with Wifi on.
But then I'm still curious. The next two steps have you disabling and then enabling the sharing option. Nothing is ever done on the laptop. Can you clarify?
UPDATE: I figured it out! I just filled in the blanks with some common sense and it worked! Now I have my Macbook Pro connecting to the internet through my Shift, and . . . it's kinda free. Thanks Flanimal!

Glory days!
Hi TopRowGuywithFeet,
It's great to hear that this was useful to you. In response, I've applied a few minor updates to my instructions.
It's great to get things working isn't it? By the sounds of it, this also also allows you to have a permanent wifi network between your Shift and you Macbook pro, wheras before you had to disable the Shift wifi to get internet. If so, cool!

Convince Windows Live to use WiFi

Hi all,
maybe someone has a solution that does not involve totally disabling GPRS...
Every other app (TwitToday, Active Sync, Pocket IE, Outlook, GPS update, etc pp) prefers the WiFi connection over existing GPRS/EDGE connection, except Windows Live Sync/Messenger: Both of them constantly ignore the WLAN and instead open a GPRS/EDGE connection...
How do I force it (or, if easier, the whole OS) to only use GPRS then when no Wifi is available?
Thanks,
Marco

I achieved this by making everything use Work Network.....it uses GPRS when no WiFi is available only.
On the subject (not wishing to hijack the thread though) I have a similar issue. All apps work fine through wireless, however Windows Live (Messenger etc) launches and connects to GPRS/HSDPA/EDGE when a wifi connection is not present, but then errors with a "no connection" message. All other apps work fine in GPRS/EDGE/HSDPA mode but this...ideas?

Doesn't work
When I say in the Connections control panel that all apps should use something other than E-Plus Web (either My ISP or My Work Network), then MSN whines about connectivity problem.
When I leave it at work network and disconnect wifi, I get system error with all internet using apps - it "can't connect with the current settings".
So, I have to leave the "connect to the internet using..." to Eplus Web... then, all apps, including Pocket IE use WLAN if available, but only MSN still connects GPRS :/
Any idea? Why does f***ing MSN not offer what connection to choose, if it can't obey the system settings?
Marco