I am new to modding phone and all that great stuff and I have NO idea where to start or what any of the terms are that I see used. I don't know about any software to be able to DL the themes other create or any of that. If some of you guys can give me some insight of what I am doing that would be a great Christmas gift!! So in other words can you guys help me lol
Hello there...
It's been four days since you've posted this question without any responses. Care to guess why?
This forum typically expects its members to do some basic research before posting a question or a problem. At the very least, a simple google search would turn up most of the answers to your questions.
What is perceived as laziness on the part of the OP is never rewarded...frankly, I'm surprised you haven't been flamed yet.
My advice - start reading.
Cheers
here, its a sticky in the development forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701245
the truth of the matter is no one wants to help you. Hell, even while I was learning to cook roms and reaching out to people no one would ever answer my questions. However, you can easily learn EVERYTHING you need to know simply by browsing the forums and reading. Unless you're reading a tutorial that someone specifically created almost nobody is going to spoon feed you....
If you HAVE questions you should really learn to master Google. It's amazing how learning to use a search engine can transform your life. It's all about asking questions and using descriptive keywords. "how to flash rom evo" will tell you a lot, "android what is root", etc.....
I cant understand why people are using these YouTube guides for rooting their phones and it seems like they are screwing something up almost everytime. I've looked at them and most seem like there are critical steps missing. Also they give no explanation of what is actually going on. If you do a Google search xda shows up in the first few results. So it seems like it could just be pure laziness because people don't want to read and research what they are doing.
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Precisely that: Laziness. People aren't willing to just read the instructions.
Eh, for the most part, you're correct. I do like the video guides ALONGSIDE the text guides on XDA. it's nice to get a real-world reference for what step you're on.
But you are correct. Going only off of the youtube vids is generally a bad plan.
Been to a public school lately? Why read when you can watch a video?
BTW always use common sense, and go through as many guides as possible before actually going ahead.
Yes I also say use common sense but its becoming increasingly harder to find people that have the slightest bit of it.
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Yes I also say use common sense but its becoming increasingly harder to find people that have the slightest bit of it.
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Stop worrying yourself. Not everyone can figure out su adb etc. The videos help visualize what they are doing.
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i one who's almost always hates video reviews and instructions. you have to get past too much jibber jabber sometimes to get to the stuff you really want. at least with written instructions i can skim the bs to get to the info i need.
I use both. Theres nothing wrong with using the videos to see what goes on too.
I am one who prefers video. I don't know why but I hate reading for the most part. I will suggest always looking at multiple videos though.
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imo videos are good for folks that want to just be told what to do and not really understand what they're doing. I personally prefer to read the material and understand what i'm doing before i'm doing it so if anything happens i don't have to panic and get someone to help me.
I would sum it up similar to how mechanics shops work: some techs are technically-minded and want to know why exactly they're pulling that transmission and how to do it, some techs are just doing it for the money and wouldn't mind watching a video on how to R&R that tranny without knowing why its being done.
Different strokes for different folks, but it does lead to a lot of confusion when someone sees the wrong video on youtube as opposed to reading about rooting in general and applying the principles to the subtleties of different devices.
This has always been the issue of when non-technical people try to gain entry in to the technical world, inadequate solutions are developed for problems that are seemingly complex on the surface but much more simple if we all spent the time to understand it.
People still read? or know how to?
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Precisely that: Laziness. People aren't willing to just read the instructions.
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Wow I actually resent that. I used instructions posted in this forum and followed along with a youtube video too when I rooted. Some stuff in the instructions just didn't make sense until I saw them in the video.
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You guys are forgetting that roughly half the population doesn't learn well by reading. It could easily have little to do with intelligence or laziness and more to do with how their brain absorbs information. Some people aren't good at visualizing what they are reading, thus, being able to SEE each step performed is a huge benefit to them. Personally, I learn equally well either way, but most people do not. Perhaps you folks should do a little indepth thinking before you simply write others off as lazy.
Here is a Leraning Styles test
I'm glad some of you have found a method of learning which works well for you, but maybe you should stop being so judgmental of others who learn differently.
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You guys are forgetting that roughly half the population doesn't learn well by reading. It could easily have little to do with intelligence or laziness and more to do with how their brain absorbs information. Some people aren't good at visualizing what they are reading, thus, being able to SEE each step performed is a huge benefit to them. Personally, I learn equally well either way, but most people do not. Perhaps you folks should do a little indepth thinking before you simply write others off as lazy.
Here is a Leraning Styles test
I'm glad some of you have found a method of learning which works well for you, but maybe you should stop being so judgmental of others who learn differently.
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I don't think the problem is only that people are using the videos. It's that people completely forego the written directions in favor of only using the video. I totally understand why some people need to use the videos, but that's no reason to ignore the written instructions. A lot of times, they give details that are missing from the video, but the written word can be hard to follow. However, when you read the instructions, watch the video, then go back and forth for reference, you get all the information plus the visual walkthrough.
For example, one of my coworkers wants to root his 004 evo. I directed him to the exact threads on xda that he should read. He called me up a week or so later saying he found videos on youtube and watched them INSTEAD of reading the threads. He tried to follow along with the video, which, for all I know was for an original Evo, and he couldn't get it to work. He then proceeded to ask me questions that were all answered in the threads and said that he had no idea what he was doing and asked me to give him a step-by-step over the phone. I have an older model, so I don't know the specifics of rooting an 004 off-hand. I told him that the only way for him to get a real answer was to read the threads, and he refused. How am I supposed to help someone who refuses to help himself?
ok here is my input about the whole watching videos. If you watch someone physically do something along with reading what they are doing and why, then you gain a more "hands on" aspect, even if you arent the one doing it. Seeing what your supposed to do is ALOT different than seeing it in words..
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I don't think the problem is only that people are using the videos. It's that people completely forego the written directions in favor of only using the video. I totally understand why some people need to use the videos, but that's no reason to ignore the written instructions. A lot of times, they give details that are missing from the video, but the written word can be hard to follow. However, when you read the instructions, watch the video, then go back and forth for reference, you get all the information plus the visual walkthrough.
For example, one of my coworkers wants to root his 004 evo. I directed him to the exact threads on xda that he should read. He called me up a week or so later saying he found videos on youtube and watched them INSTEAD of reading the threads. He tried to follow along with the video, which, for all I know was for an original Evo, and he couldn't get it to work. He then proceeded to ask me questions that were all answered in the threads and said that he had no idea what he was doing and asked me to give him a step-by-step over the phone. I have an older model, so I don't know the specifics of rooting an 004 off-hand. I told him that the only way for him to get a real answer was to read the threads, and he refused. How am I supposed to help someone who refuses to help himself?
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this is exactly what bothers me the most, i understand that people learn in different ways. there are also people who should not even be attempting to do something they understand nothing about. i am one of the few people that would rather read directions step by step rather than try to follow along with a video that doesnt move at my speed. you can pause a video all you want but you cant exactly speed it up. i have also screwed up but i have learned from my mistakes and there were plenty of them. im not afraid of screwing something up if i did there is nobody to blame but myself.
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I cant understand why people are using these YouTube guides for rooting their phones and it seems like they are screwing something up almost everytime. I've looked at them and most seem like there are critical steps missing. Also they give no explanation of what is actually going on. If you do a Google search xda shows up in the first few results. So it seems like it could just be pure laziness because people don't want to read and research what they are doing.
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Because some people are visual learners?! I don't understand why it's hard to understand this concept?! Why do 99% of manuals have pictures on them? Some written guides are not as thorough or organized as others. At least on video, you can hear and see what is going on so you have a backup as to what you're doing. It also allows you to see the reaction to what you're doing instantly before trying it on your own.
Call me crazy, but these online guides are really useful to me.
For me, knowing WHY something is done really cements the process. Guides that are just step by step without an explanation don't really install full confidence in doing the task.
I was wondering if anyone else who is computer illiterate like me is very interested in learning how to create kernels, roms, themes... and anything else under the sun that deals with android software.
Anyone else interested in becoming a dev like those helping us out with froyo and whatnot?
I'm on Google now... I guess I'm looking for help on where to start. Like from square one... any nice guides you brainiacs could show us noobs?
I wouldn't mind teaching myself from the ground up just by reading internet guides - I enjoy both reading and learning.... I could see myself developing stuff for our community as a fun hobby.
If you would like to help me, think of me as an old man who's never owned a cell phone or a computer till now. That's how far back I'd need to go to learn, I have no experience in computer programming at all.
Since I got my fascinate and stumbled across xda, I've just been, well... fascinated with android and the mechanics behind it all. And the great devs that make this possible for our nice little community here!
So... you other noobs and pros out there wanna help each other out by sharing guides and experiences?
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First let me say this thanks. Besides that let me say this, you should be geting paid for what you do. Not by the manufacturers, but by people like me who benefit from your effort. I understand that a great percentage if not all devs do this work out of the love for game. That's not lost on me, but it seems to me that the more devs you have working on something, the quicker things are released. Here's my proposition: Devs share the knowledge of how to get things done with those who are interested. And I don't mean linking to the android sdk page. We're dumb as **** when it comes to that. If someone would develop a tutorial that was inclusive of the required knowledge, along with shortcuts, cheats and the like, we could have something. There are so many newbs who want to know how to help but just cant. That knowledge is worth money and I'd pay by the hour to learn it from someone with knowledge rather than googling dozens of sights. Give us leadership and we'll give you money, set it up donation style so that those who are serious can participate. Personally, I'd pay 11$/hr for this training up front and I'd bet others would too. You'd also eliminate a lot of needless posts, replacing them with answers. I'll broker the deal for nothing but lets get something going. Maybe just start with the abc's of coding and go from there. Anyway, just a rom lovers's hope to a better community. You could even start a thread like "How I learned to dev" with tutorials and such. You guys know better than I how to start this up. Anyway, post your thoughts on the viability of such a project or whether I 'm pissin' in the wind.
This sounds lika an excellent idea!
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I would love that!
I may not know a lot but i would be very happy to give a full tutorial on theming, tweaks and some editing of layouts.
again not for the money, the more people we have the better the community we will have!!!
let me know if you are interested in what i know,
Great idea!
+1. I totally support this idea. I always want to do something for the community
Op just let me know how you would like to set up these sessions and you can pick my brain
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marko! said:
I may not know a lot but i would be very happy to give a full tutorial on theming, tweaks and some editing of layouts.
again not for the money, the more people we have the better the community we will have!!!
let me know if you are interested in what i know,
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Me wants your theming tutorials.
Do Google hangouts do screen share?
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I did a tutorial on theming a while back that seemed to help a lot of people get their feet wet. Itll help you understand how apk manager works and what not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186819
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_j9rqrAiQ&context=C3c2c807ADOEgsToPDskIFUOBD_y0CdNrR6adMQY6M
You should really stop trying to promote you videos here, there are already guides for all of this.
Every time I see one of these video guides I feel like this place is turning into the Derek Zoolander Center for kids that can't read good.
Do tell me how this is self promotion when I don't host adds on the videos, I make no personal profits so tell me what else I could gain from my videos other than wanting to help people. I apologize for being so inconsiderate for appealing to an audience that doesn't have a PH.D in Comp Sci as some of the XDA stuff can be at times and next time ill try to be less considerate. I apologize if my desire to help noobs that people like you guys pick on is so wrong.
Thank you very much for the helpful video!