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Hey everyone. I got rid of my Jasjar and bought a hw6945 which I'm much happier with. Even though it has a smaller keyboard and smaller resolution screen, it still does exactly what I need it to do in a much smaller and less complicated package than the Jasjar. I was also getting sick of the battery issue. Alas, this section is for the "Sable" and so I'll stick to talking about that and not bashing the Universal.
A lot of times as I'm writing text messages or e-mails, it'll pop up a random "BUSY" icon even though there's no other program running in the background - not even any connections using any of the radios. Why does it do that? The jasjar didn't. Anybody?
In ActiveSync, set the PPC to sync every 30 minutes and every hour during off hours. If you leave it set at "when items arrive" it will maintain a gprs or edge data connection all the time and that kills the battery.
I get 4 days of standby and light use now. I used to get 24 hours.
If you are using microsoft push to deliver messages then I think you have to leave the setting as "when items arrive".
We are using push at work, but I find I certainly don't need my new messages faster then 30 minute intervals.
Hey, thanks for the post. I actually just figured it out myself last night as I was playing with activesync. : )
Since I'm not a push user, I really have no need for automatic sync. By default, it keeps trying to sync when there isn't even a server there. What I had to do was open up activeysnc from the HP, create a fake server and fill in the fields with dummy info, go to the schedule options which are only available when you have a push server (hence the creation of a fake one), pick manual for everything, and then delete the dummy server. That's it. I have't gotten my initial problem since. I also think this might be a common issue for ALL WM5 devices?
Anyway, thanks for the reply. : )
Ya, I read that about the fake dummy account so you can access the manual activesync settings.
The battery life is now "livable" which it was not before. I am going to get the 25% larger capacity battery for it.
Wish someone would do some development on this model. It is actually very nice and if someone would create/modify some of the software for it and make it better, it would be amazing!
I have a couple qeustions about funambol or other OTA email options.
Do they save on battery power and or RAM compared to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
Do you need a computer that has an active internet connection in order to use them?
What do you use on the PPC to access the emails? for example poulook or another program?
How do they compare (pros vs cons) to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
akboy82 said:
I have a couple qeustions about funambol or other OTA email options.
Do they save on battery power and or RAM compared to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
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It depends on how many messages you get, obviously.
If you're the type of person who gets multiple emails within a 15min window, then checking once every 15 min will be less power than a pushed sync by each new message.
If, however, you can go for hours without a new message, you are saving yourself an unnecessary sync, and while keeping a channel open for push alerts will consume some more power during the wait, it WILL save battery compared to an every-15-min sync.
How much battery power is consumed depends on the model. Funambol seems to be better on battery than Exchange/MS push, but MS push works better and faster (so far... funambol is still being developed).
Do you need a computer that has an active internet connection in order to use them?
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Depends.
A computer needs to act as a server to send a notification to the device to sync on a new event.
You don't, however, need to set this up yourself any more than you need to host your own website on your computer.
Basically, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you're asking this question, you're probably better off finding services that will host a server for you, sometimes even for free.
What do you use on the PPC to access the emails? for example poulook or another program?
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Exchange uses Poutlook and Activesync since its built into the system (built in is a plus... no additional software).
Funambol needs a plugin which runs in the background, still syncs to poutlook tho. Why re-invent the wheel when outlook is already there.
How do they compare (pros vs cons) to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
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There's no con unless you get too many messages that it either a)annoys you or b)sucks your battery dry.
Unless of course you don't want to pay for a hosted server and none of the free ones suit your needs.
If you don't mind an @mail2web.com address being your email sent-from, I'd recommend trying out mail2web's free exchange service. you've got nothing to lose, you can always just stop using it since its free.
Dishe said:
It depends on how many messages you get, obviously.
If you're the type of person who gets multiple emails within a 15min window, then checking once every 15 min will be less power than a pushed sync by each new message.
If, however, you can go for hours without a new message, you are saving yourself an unnecessary sync, and while keeping a channel open for push alerts will consume some more power during the wait, it WILL save battery compared to an every-15-min sync.
How much battery power is consumed depends on the model. Funambol seems to be better on battery than Exchange/MS push, but MS push works better and faster (so far... funambol is still being developed).
Depends.
A computer needs to act as a server to send a notification to the device to sync on a new event.
You don't, however, need to set this up yourself any more than you need to host your own website on your computer.
Basically, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you're asking this question, you're probably better off finding services that will host a server for you, sometimes even for free.
Exchange uses Poutlook and Activesync since its built into the system (built in is a plus... no additional software).
Funambol needs a plugin which runs in the background, still syncs to poutlook tho. Why re-invent the wheel when outlook is already there.
There's no con unless you get too many messages that it either a)annoys you or b)sucks your battery dry.
Unless of course you don't want to pay for a hosted server and none of the free ones suit your needs.
If you don't mind an @mail2web.com address being your email sent-from, I'd recommend trying out mail2web's free exchange service. you've got nothing to lose, you can always just stop using it since its free.
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Thank you for all the great information.
Hi,
I have just updated to a windows 6.5 htc diamond2(htc pure) phone and previously i was using htc mda III with windows 5. My rom is default offical rom by at&T.
I am facing 2 problems regarding automatic sending/receiving of emails using new outlook on window 6.5(htc diamond2):
1) I cannot enter send/receive time interval into an input box as there is no option for this and i have to select the time interval only from dropdown list, which include send/receive Every 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 hr , 1 day and so on.. But i want to use outlook with automatic send/receive every 2 minutes and this option is not there is dropdown list of new outlook. Previously in windows 5 , there was a input box in outlook settings where we can ourself enter a numeric value for setting the time interval in minutes after which phone automatically send /receve mail. So any idea how to add send/receive every 2 minutes option in dropdown list of outlook in windows 6.5?
2) Previously when my phone display goes off(maybe phone goes in sleep/standby mode) after few secs of non usage the automatic send/receive part of outlook was still working in background and i use to get email message even when phone was in pocket , but in windows 6.5 i have to tap and wake the phone up manually and then automatic send/receive will work if the phone is awake.So automatic send/receive will not get emails when phone is in sleep/standby mode. This seems to be a big problem it was not there in windows 5. Any idea how to resolve this part?
It seems to me that window 5 was better in regards to above to 2 points. can we install windows 5 on htc diamond 2 ?
Any help in rectifying the above problem will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
can anyone plz help with this
can one plz help with this, is there any registry changes that can modify this?
Thanks
I have the same doubts :/
leonardors said:
I have the same doubts :/
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Push Internet delivers when the e-mail hits the server, why set it to 2 minutes? What is the purpose?
Bruce Inman said:
Push Internet delivers when the e-mail hits the server, why set it to 2 minutes? What is the purpose?
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Push Internet has nothing to do with this. All it does is refreshing the content of your HTC Sense bookmarks.
Back to the topic: I wonder what was your battery life with every 2 minutes of checking the emails, 5 minutes are more than enough IMHO. If not satisfied, try switching to some push mail solution, bad news is that the only officially supported stuff is MS Exchange (which is not free). Other alternatives don't seem to be stable and, you can't rely on them.
I use WM 6.5 myself on my Topaz and the problem you mentioned about not getting the emails while in sleep mode doesn't seem to be present. My emails arrive all the time, in a 30 minute interval (just like I set it). This seems to be a reg tweak made by ATnT or something. I suggest you to reset your device to factory settings and if it doesn't help, simply switch to another ROM. I use the Dutty's Holy Grail and I'm very satisfied. Contains the latest Sense from HD2 and runs pretty fast and reliably.
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Push Internet has nothing to do with this. All it does is refreshing the content of your HTC Sense bookmarks.
Back to the topic: I wonder what was your battery life with every 2 minutes of checking the emails, 5 minutes are more than enough IMHO. If not satisfied, try switching to some push mail solution, bad news is that the only officially supported stuff is MS Exchange (which is not free). Other alternatives don't seem to be stable and, you can't rely on them.
I use WM 6.5 myself on my Topaz and the problem you mentioned about not getting the emails while in sleep mode doesn't seem to be present. My emails arrive all the time, in a 30 minute interval (just like I set it). This seems to be a reg tweak made by ATnT or something. I suggest you to reset your device to factory settings and if it doesn't help, simply switch to another ROM. I use the Dutty's Holy Grail and I'm very satisfied. Contains the latest Sense from HD2 and runs pretty fast and reliably.
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Yes, you're right, what I meant was Push Mail, through gmail as exchange server.
I do not set my device up to check at intervals, it gets pushed to my device when the e-mail hits the google server.
2) Previously when my phone display goes off(maybe phone goes in sleep/standby mode) after few secs of non usage the automatic send/receive part of outlook was still working in background and i use to get email message even when phone was in pocket , but in windows 6.5 i have to tap and wake the phone up manually and then automatic send/receive will work if the phone is awake.So automatic send/receive will not get emails when phone is in sleep/standby mode. This seems to be a big problem it was not there in windows 5. Any idea how to resolve this part?
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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL
change "DisableSMSWakeUpEvent" to 0
ok, I've used the search button, found lots of stuff but not what I wanted or unclear. This is what I want: I want my mails from my gmail adress to be pushed to my HTC HD2. I want them to wake up the device and tell me, I have a mail ( like a text basically )
What do I do, what do I set up, I've tried turning on push, but it seems to be turning itself off or something, it doesn't look on when I go to the manager. If anybody can help me, that would be great. Ow, and we're talking 3G or edge, gprs, not wifi here.
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ok, I've used the search button, found lots of stuff but not what I wanted or unclear. This is what I want: I want my mails from my gmail adress to be pushed to my HTC HD2. I want them to wake up the device and tell me, I have a mail ( like a text basically )
What do I do, what do I set up, I've tried turning on push, but it seems to be turning itself off or something, it doesn't look on when I go to the manager. If anybody can help me, that would be great. Ow, and we're talking 3G or edge, gprs, not wifi here.
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There's no push feature that I know of, you set how ofter to check for new email, and in notifications you set how to let you know that you have new email.
There you are: http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
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There's no push feature that I know of, you set how ofter to check for new email, and in notifications you set how to let you know that you have new email.
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Completely wrong.
kilrah is spot on, and it works extremely well. The only thing I would add is that it does add to battery drain, so I would disable it at night and other times it is not required. G-profile can be used for this. By the way, it will not work if you are connected to a computer using Activesync, and that computer does not allow connection to the internet (most work networks are set up this way).
so does this keep the internetconnection open all of the time, even when the phone is asleep? I suppose so?
I'm asking that because, when I put the settings on send and receive every 5 minutes, it appears as if the connection stays on after the first send and receive ( for instance, I check pxInternet and it has been connected for 40min ) and yeah, if that were to be the case, why not use push.
thx for the help so far, really, great and to the point.
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so does this keep the internetconnection open all of the time, even when the phone is asleep? I suppose so?
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Yes of course, otherwise the server would have no way to tell the phone there's something new for it. If you close the data connection in the connection manager it will warn you this also deactivates push.
I've found the idle data usage and battery drain is minimal (at least on 3G). Push on for one night drained 8% battery, which is pretty much the same as without it (~6%). Data usage was under 100kB, and I received 2 mails during the night. Makes great savings, as doing a send/receive on my IMAP account easily uses around 200kB, which would happen every 5 mins or whatever is set for automatic checking, and by extension less traffic = less battery usage...
EDGE might use more battery as there are more keepalive signals.
I agree with Kilrah, I have my calendar, contact and email all synced through google and i don't notice any obvious battery drain compared to when push is turned off.
I use ActiveSync to sync my Gmail account and the push works fine.
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kilrah is spot on, and it works extremely well. The only thing I would add is that it does add to battery drain, so I would disable it at night and other times it is not required. G-profile can be used for this. By the way, it will not work if you are connected to a computer using Activesync, and that computer does not allow connection to the internet (most work networks are set up this way).
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Because Google Sync works via ActiveSync, you can adjust the settings for ActiveSync (e.g. only during peak times). So no need to use G-profile.
PUSH mail is avalaible on GMail with HD2. Look here : http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
can you synch/push more than 1 gmail account with this method?
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Because Google Sync works via ActiveSync, you can adjust the settings for ActiveSync (e.g. only during peak times). So no need to use G-profile.
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How do you do that please?
As well as the battery/data aspect I would rather not have my sleep disturbed by the "bings" of new emails!
In activesync, menu -> scheduling.
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How do you do that please?
As well as the battery/data aspect I would rather not have my sleep disturbed by the "bings" of new emails!
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ActiveSync > Menu > Schedule. And just set Off-peak times to Manually so you won't be disturbed when sleeping
At the bottom click on: "Adjust peak times to fit your schedule"
Sleep well
Thanks Guys!
I have set that up to push my main Gmail account and am using Gudusoft email scheduler to check the other one every 30mins.
Let's see how will it works now!
Sync issues
Anyone having any issues sync'ing with calender.
For some reason the only way I can sync at all is with that one disabled.
Currently I'm only using push with email and contacts only since the other won't work.
Can't believe I didn't know that google offered this service now...yes I just found out today reading this forum...
Been waiting too long for this...
Hello, I have some problems with gmail...
When HD2 turns off (standby), it doesn't sync my emails (haven't tried contacts or calendar yet). When I go to activesync to check what happened there are 2 possibilities:
1) If I am home (wifi always on even in standby mode) I get an error (0x80004004). Btw even with wifi on it still keeps the data connection on (?!?!?)
2) If wifi is off it starts syncing when I open activesync.
Any help would be appreciated
EDIT: Seems like there is no problem when wifi is off after all. I guess having wifi always enabled is a problem because it automatically disables 3g...
i want to share my cheap way of getting my emails from Gmail on my phone
via MMS !! so since I am on TMobile (i dont know if it works for other carriers..a simple google search shall do )
so basically i forward all my emails to the email id
[email protected][B]tmomail.net[/B]
where phonenumber = your 10 digit number...
so lets say my phone number is 1-212-000-5000
all i do is forward my gmail to [email protected] and presto !!
everytime i get an email it notifies me...and since i have unlimited messaging (MMS is free too) the messages shows completely !!!
backlashsid said:
i want to share my cheap way of getting my emails from Gmail on my phone
via MMS !! so since I am on TMobile (i dont know if it works for other carriers..a simple google search shall do )
so basically i forward all my emails to the email id
[email protected][B]tmomail.net[/B]
where phonenumber = your 10 digit number...
so lets say my phone number is 1-212-000-5000
all i do is forward my gmail to [email protected] and presto !!
everytime i get an email it notifies me...and since i have unlimited messaging (MMS is free too) the messages shows completely !!!
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Hmmm....I should try that!
If it works, I'll definitely press that Thanks button in your post.
sumflipnol said:
Hmmm....I should try that!
If it works, I'll definitely press that Thanks button in your post.
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first try sending a test mail from ur gmail a/c to yourself and if it doesnt work try adding '1" in front of your number ! hope it works for you too...
Hi
New to htc hd2, 2 quick questions, what is push email? and secondly i get my htc hd2 2mrw; i;ve signed up with hotmail and gmail accounts to my HTC HD2, how quick will my htc hd2 locate a new email sent to my phone?
Thanks, Sorry if it sounds silly; i've been with nokia since day one; and this is my first smartphone.
Thanks in advance
Ali
push email is where as soon as the email comes thru to ur email client it will appear on ur hd2 its a big battery drain where if u set it to check every hour or 2 it saves alot of battery compared to push hope that helps
Thanks so much for clearing it up
Sorry, can't help but to throw this in:
When you use SchedHandler to take care of the "push mail", then it will not be a big battery drain at all. The opposite is true. In fact, it will probably be lighter for your battery than when you configure to check the email manually once every 2 hrs or whatever. And emails will arrive within seconds