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Speakers on Wizard / Universal

Heard that the speakers was alot better on the Universal then it is on the Wizard? Can anyone confirm that the speakers _are_ better on the Universal thanks.

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DUDE -
i donno who told u that !
although i have no comparison to other - the HTC universal speakers are WEAK !
i had to amplify all mp3's i wanted as tones by 20-30% (volume) so ill hear them.
and quality isnt great..

Oh that sucks

hmm..that strange..I dun see any issue on soft speaker on my universal. The ringtone is loud and so thus the MP3.

I have both and find both speakers fine. Either the headphone output is better on the wizard or the headphones themselves because the sound it a lot better through headphones on the wizard.
What really annoys me with those little headphones though is that they dont go into your ear properly. Push them in with your fingers and the bass is really good. Then when you let go your back to tinny sound again.
Thought headphones would have moved on by now. Where are our microbe implants that are equiv to having some 400w technics strapped to your head.

I have to agree with the others, my EXEC's speakers are loud if turned to full blast. I can hear my MP3s playing from the other room with my door closed.

knowsleyroader said:
What really annoys me with those little headphones though is that they dont go into your ear properly. Push them in with your fingers and the bass is really good. Then when you let go your back to tinny sound again.
Thought headphones would have moved on by now. Where are our microbe implants that are equiv to having some 400w technics strapped to your head.
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You can get headphones that do just that, from Sony, Shure and Etymotic, but to get that bass response they have to seal the ear with rubber rings. Cost aside, that raises serious safety issues for general use because it isolates you from external sounds. So they can be dangerous wearing them outside, as you won't hear the cry of "Look Out!" or that speeding truck hurtling towards you.
That said, I have some Shure e3cs, and they are stunning. What's more they're better for my hearing long term because I can keep the volume levels right down and still hear the finest detail in the music. I just have to be _very_ careful when crossing the road...

Ineedtoys said:
knowsleyroader said:
What really annoys me with those little headphones though is that they dont go into your ear properly. Push them in with your fingers and the bass is really good. Then when you let go your back to tinny sound again.
Thought headphones would have moved on by now. Where are our microbe implants that are equiv to having some 400w technics strapped to your head.
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You can get headphones that do just that, from Sony, Shure and Etymotic, but to get that bass response they have to seal the ear with rubber rings. Cost aside, that raises serious safety issues for general use because it isolates you from external sounds. So they can be dangerous wearing them outside, as you won't hear the cry of "Look Out!" or that speeding truck hurtling towards you.
That said, I have some Shure e3cs, and they are stunning. What's more they're better for my hearing long term because I can keep the volume levels right down and still hear the finest detail in the music. I just have to be _very_ careful when crossing the road...
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Can you get them with the smaller jack for the wizard ? Link ?

knowsleyroader said:
Can you get them with the smaller jack for the wizard ? Link ?
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Get an adapter then you can use any headphones you like.
Maplin and Expansys do these:-
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=108470
But I prefer not to use the "one piece" moulded adapters as they put too much stress on the XDA socket. So I use one like this:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5852006398
(you get one like this with the £99 Orange C550 Music pack)
Downside is you have to unplug the headphones to talk, but I note you can now get them with a microphone (but AFAIK no talk button):-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5851815612
Or you could get one that allows you to use your audio headphones and a headset together:-
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=119236
Another alternative, if you're handy with a soldering iron, is to take a spare HTC headset, dismantle the dongle that houses the talk button, disconnect the crappy headphones, and solder in your new ones, or, to be more versatile, the 3.5mm wired socket from one of the cheap adapters.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=523654&page=1&pp=30
Or buy it ready made, but with retractable cord, here:-
http://www.seidio-europe.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=230
(Note: Seidio's web page indicates the PTT and Mic wiring is the same for the XDA and the Treo, but I haven't tried it, so YMMV etc).

How big is the athena?

The dimensions don't tell me anything neither do photo's. The thing looks huge. I have the kaiser currently and I am interested in the Athena and the kaiser when I hold it from the bottom of my palm it reaches to the middle of my fingers(the middle ridges). How far would it go, and how practice is it to place a call? Any user experiences that are good bad? pros cons to it? I'm not looking at reviews because they are usually just to praise gadgets. I want real peoples experiences with it.
Thanks
~~Tito~~

the athena is about the size of my whole hand from base of palm up until end of pinky
its a huge phone but i love it...
everyone always asks me why i carry that thing around... but to me nothing else beats it

i didnt like using the bluetooth headset all the time and found talking directly into the mic with the volume turned down led to frequent complaints about sound quality. If you dont mind using an earpiece most of the time then this shouldn't concern you -i like talking into phones because i'm old fashoned and because it saves battery AND means i don't have to worry about TWO devices being charged before i go to work.
There is always the wired headset, but i think wires are a bit awkward and scruffy.
The size is huge, and certainly a talking point. Everyone who saw my athena commented on its size - usually in a derogatory manner - and i think i started to become known as the 'Big Phone Man'. I did love texting on my athena and didnt care too much what people thought but in the end it was the call handling that got me: you can have all the bluetooth wristwatches, earpieces and headsets in the world but nothing beats having a phone pressed against your ear for me.

For me, the size of Athena is the most optimal one could ever have. The 5 inches screen makes it practical to run realVGA at 96 dpi. (In 96dpi, the fonts are already very very small, but most people -not all- still find the screen big enough) If it is say 4 inches, I believe 96dpi would be quite impractical to use, and I believe most people would find the screen way too small to be used in 96dpi. It fits into standard size shirt pocket without any problem, and is not heavy enough to pull your shirt down too much. I would not buy it if the screen is say just 3.5 inches.
I use the phone as it is without bluetooth, sometimes with wired headset. Sound quality is very good with any wired headset. It is not in the same category of "bigness" as the shift. Athena is truly "body portable", which means you can bring it with you everywhere 27/7. I recommend a good belt pouch for this. I feel that Athena has managed to stay within the very limit of "body portability". Shift, on the other hand, is only "travel friendly" but you would leave it in the hotel once you reach your travel destination, unless you want to carry a backpack or briefcase in your hand all the time.
If you are unsure on how big it is, do what I did before I bought Athena. Measure the dimension and make model of it yourself and hold it to get a feel. (I actually carried the model in my pocket for a few days before acquiring mine). But it is also important not to think of this as a phone. It is a data first, phone second device. The size is superb for GPS, pictures, video playback, internet browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, etc. Smaller screens are just not as useful for these. I would be very very sad if the future model becomes say 4 inches screen only.

I agree with most of your points, though tito stressed call handling and size in his thread and made no mention of data-centic use. I would've disagreed about the Athena's browser capabilities until a few weeks ago but now Netfront 3.5 is here the Athena is a lot more desirable.
I agree about the 'body-portable' statement, though if you're used to very 'pocketable' phones then I wouldn't recommend the Athena, since without a protective case the screen is VERY vulnerable and nigh-on impossible to find a replacement for, even if you can squeeze it in my pocket - which I did, with the occasional scary moment! I like things in my pocket, not in pouches or fanny packs but Tito might be more like you Eaglesteve ;-)
The screen isn't transflective either so not great to view in daylight, though i believe you can buy screen covers to improve this.
I wouldn't disagree that wired headsets work great in terms of sound quality, but I just didn't personally like having wires trailing from my body, nor did i like having an earpiece in at work. I liked the 'feel' of the Athena and thus liked to pick up and hold it when taking calls. This was just my personal preference, and despite having every variation of headset I invariably held the phone to my ear.
The problem was that with both of the Athenas i owned - and indeed my Hermes which has a faulty embedded mic and necessitates loudspeaker use when handling calls - call quality was terrible when holding the device to my head - not from my end but for the other party. Held at the recommended distance as a voice conferencing aid it worked fine, but I didn't want everyone to know what I was saying!
I also disagree about video performance - not great in my experience, but perhaps graphics accelerator support is around the corner which would make a big difference.

If you also intent to use it as an MP3, you would have wired headset if you want the best possible quality sound, so I assume you would carry it with you somehow in your pocket most of the time anyway. (How else do we listen to music on the go?) Actually my version of wired headset is designed such that it hangs like a neckless over me all the time so I simply pick up the earbud and stick it into my ear when needed, and let it hang down like a neckless when not needed. The headset is inside my shirt with only a bit of the earbud wire coming out from the collar. So, it is really quite inconspicuous.
Yes, we do have some very nice browsers coming up. It has made hell of a difference in the past few weeks. It will get even better with Opera Mobile 9.5 and Netfront's final version. Not to mention the Skyfire. We'll be spoilt for choice.
Also, you might want to try Softmaker Office 2008, which is sensational on Athena's big screen. It is available for free download and will be free until end of March. Get it. I just LOVE this on Athena's screen. Read more about softmaker office here: http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1078
I do not have any problem with my videos. All my videos play very well. They're mostly download from the net, so they might have been converted already though.
I don't have issue carrying the device in the belt pouch. It is very well protected already as I put the screen facing my body. That's how I carried my past devices as well, and had never had any problem. Athena's is not that fragile. Of course, please don't put it in your back pocket and sit on it.

eaglesteve said:
If you also intent to use it as an MP3, you would have wired headset if you want the best possible quality sound, so I assume you would carry it with you somehow in your pocket most of the time anyway. (How else do we listen to music on the go?) Actually my version of wired headset is designed such that it hangs like a neckless over me all the time so I simply pick up the earbud and stick it into my ear when needed, and let it hang down like a neckless when not needed. The headset is inside my shirt with only a bit of the earbud wire coming out from the collar. So, it is really quite inconspicuous.
Yes, we do have some very nice browsers coming up. It has made hell of a difference in the past few weeks. It will get even better with Opera Mobile 9.5 and Netfront's final version. Not to mention the Skyfire. We'll be spoilt for choice.
Also, you might want to try Softmaker Office 2008, which is sensational on Athena's big screen. It is available for free download and will be free until end of March. Get it. I just LOVE this on Athena's screen. Read more about softmaker office here: http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1078
I do not have any problem with my videos. All my videos play very well. They're mostly download from the net, so they might have been converted already though.
I don't have issue carrying the device in the belt pouch. It is very well protected already as I put the screen facing my body. That's how I carried my past devices as well, and had never had any problem. Athena's is not that fragile. Of course, please don't put it in your back pocket and sit on it.
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I can't fault music playback on the athena - it's really very good, and obviously while listening to music i used my sony bluetooth earbuds which use a necklace design as you describe eaglesteve. I dont think the athena is the most user-friendly mp3 player about though - not for on the move certainly since it is very precarious and fiddly to use the device one-handed. I wish someone would release an iphone thin 5 inch tablet - no keyboard but intelligent autorotate and scroll with a screen just slightly wide.r and just slightly narrorew than the athena. Id get one straightaway, but then nothing's ever perfect is it?? I think if anyone were to make such a device it would be LG

I have an unlimited data plan so data is not a problem. I do not use a case for my kaiser I let it sit naked in my pocket.
Is it faster than the kaiser? Has there been an in depth look to see if it indeed was missing the drivers also? I would like to know this, I would use this as a PC mainly, and my kaiser as an away phone(like using it at school, places where you don't really use the phone that much). How practical is to use data? Does it work well with reception, call quality? How useful is it with games and emu's? How well is it in pockets(naked)? What is the 8gb memory all about, and how is it used?
Please provide some of your experiences and your tips, I would like to know now because I am very reckless with things sometimes. .LOL)
Thanks guys!

~~Tito~~ said:
I have an unlimited data plan so data is not a problem. I do not use a case for my kaiser I let it sit naked in my pocket.
Is it faster than the kaiser? Has there been an in depth look to see if it indeed was missing the drivers also? I would like to know this, I would use this as a PC mainly, and my kaiser as an away phone(like using it at school, places where you don't really use the phone that much). How practical is to use data? Does it work well with reception, call quality? How useful is it with games and emu's? How well is it in pockets(naked)? What is the 8gb memory all about, and how is it used?
Please provide some of your experiences and your tips, I would like to know now because I am very reckless with things sometimes. .LOL)
Thanks guys!
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I know you don't really believe in review, but I've done a post review which is after 10 months of actual use instead of initial impression. These articles might help you to decide:
Athena's storage: http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962
Athena's screen: http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1011
Athena's keyboard : http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1031
Athena as a phone: http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1063
More aspects of Athena will be published in due time.
Hopet this helps.

Thanks!! I will look at that!

leoni1980 said:
I can't fault music playback on the athena - it's really very good, and obviously while listening to music i used my sony bluetooth earbuds which use a necklace design as you describe eaglesteve. I dont think the athena is the most user-friendly mp3 player about though - not for on the move certainly since it is very precarious and fiddly to use the device one-handed. I wish someone would release an iphone thin 5 inch tablet - no keyboard but intelligent autorotate and scroll with a screen just slightly wide.r and just slightly narrorew than the athena. Id get one straightaway, but then nothing's ever perfect is it?? I think if anyone were to make such a device it would be LG
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Actually I use the music player very easily. It sits in my pouch while I use it on the road or when doing shopping. I have assigned the joystick to control it. The four joystick direction will allow me to volume up, volume down, next song, previous song. On rare occasion, if I want to jump to other song, I press the OK button to bring up the playlist, then just touch the desired song. So, there's even no question of one handed or two handed operation.
Anyway, I'm very used to operating Athena one handed. I mentioned many times that I have mastered this artform when entering my golf scores with one hand while pushing my golf buggy with the other hand. I have very small hand so most other people should be able to do better than me. How small is my hand? Well, where our hand joints the forearm there is a wrinkled line. From there to the tip of my middle finger my length is 175mm only. Most of my friend's hands are bigger than mine. It is obviously not as easy as a very small phone, but it is still possible, with some practice.
I agree that the device could be thinner, and do without the keyboard. But I'm not sure about changing the aspect ratio. I've confirmation from users of such devices that there are software compatibility issues. One users mentioned that the compatiblity issues between 800x480 and 640x480 is more severe than between QVGA and VGA based on his experience. I have not used it myself, so I don't know, but I think it is not so problem free.

What exactly does it come with when you buy it?

Different seller package it differently. In my case (or rather my relative's case as they bought my device as a gift for me), I got a wired head set with the ability to accept phone call and change volume, extra stylus, a 3 in 1 stylus (laser, normal pen, and stylus), screen protector (not very good one though, leaves the gap around the edge), usb cable, VGA out cable, car windscreen holder (for using GPS while driving), leather case (a very nice one, I should say, although I never use it since I don't use the hardware keyboard), CD containing the ROM, CD for a Mapking GPS software with one free map of your choice, CD for Sprite backup, GPRS monitor, WorldCard Mobile (a software that lets you use the camera to automatically capture name card details into your contact database), CE-Star (a chinese input software).
Some other retailer gave away iPod or a 17 inch LCD monitor, but I did'nt manage to get that. Earlier buyers also got a bluetooth headset instead of wired one.

Search "smartphones show 31" on youtube, which has some comparisons between an e90 and htc advantage, along with giving a good idea of the size of the device.

cool, whats so different about the x7501? I mean, what would be the benefits of getting it, is it worth it?

X7501 is cheaper i believe. It was brought out with windows mobile 6 pre-installed and does not have a video conferencing camera on the front as it is designed for the u.s. market. I think that's pretty much the only difference.

leoni1980 said:
X7501 is cheaper i believe. It was brought out with windows mobile 6 pre-installed and does not have a video conferencing camera on the front as it is designed for the u.s. market. I think that's pretty much the only difference.
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Oh, so, its better since I don't need the front camera anyways? I really want it, but I am just narrowing down which version and how it would play out to my standards of a tablet like that( I know what I said, I consider it a tablet because of its size and functionality).
What other perps are there to the device? Other than the screen and camera.

If I live in US, no doubt I'd buy X7501, as I would get local warranty and servicing. It's also cheaper than X7500. It is my understanding from one of the more knowledgeable posters in this forum that Telco in US are not allowed to offer video conferencing services (those in the know might like to confirm this), so it is pointless having 7500. The only issue now is 7501 versus a SSD model that is still unavailable, but may be available in the future in US. Against that, is the possibility that folks here might succeed in finding out how to upgrade X7501/7500 to a SSD drive. Like I said, if it can be done, then the X7501/7500 would certainly be superior to 7510 in my mind because we have all the hardware buttons, which are extremely useful.

Can I hold the Athena up to my ear?

I'm soooo on the fringe of buying this from Amazon but the ONE thing keeping me is the fact of taking phone calls in private. First off I HATE bluetooth headsets. I only want to carry my device. Nothing else... With that said are the speakers on the Advantage located so as I can put my ear up to it and cancel out the sound so others can't hear what other people are saying? Or are there dual speakers on the side which would make it quite hard?
Does anyone out there with an Advantage use it like this to take/place calls? Man I'm about to pull the trigger I just can't stand it doesn't have an earpiece...
Is there a super flat bluetooth headset I could possibly attach to the back?
I honestly don't talk that much on my phones mostly data and stuff but when I do need to talk I'd rather not have everyone else hear it...
Thanks.

juiceppc said:
Can I put this up to my ear?
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No respectable Athena owners would put this phone up to their face. I use the LG Stlye-I as do others. I agree with you that the BT Earpiece is way over done and in some instances rude to wear.
Having the Style-I for the Athena gets loads of attention as most folks believe that it is your phone (and it's quite the piece). It is smaller than an average hi-lighter pen, has great battery life and a nice caller ID display. Only downside is that it rings quietly and does not have a vibrate mode.
Check e-bay as they run $30 or so depending on the listing.

I'm one of those who are not respectable, and I can't care less if I look like a nut to others. I do turn my volume to the lowest though, but that won't silent it enough. For calls which are important,I do pluck in my wired headset which I use for mp3 anyway. For VOIP I always use wired headset to prevent echo to the other party.
My advice is for you to buy other type of PDA instead of Athena if you are very strongly against using headset (need not be bt, wired will do very well) and feel bothered holding it against your face .
Regards.

I have a bluetooth headset and the wired microphone but I often just use my Ameo straight up to my face. It works ok but does look silly and you have to mess around with the volume. Not good in a quiet office environment because others will hear.
Summary: Possible but NOT ideal!

When going grocery shopping it's a bit ackward to put the phone to my ear and maneuver with 5 plus bags at the same time. I like to keep my hands free, and IMHO the Athena Is just a big too big to keep it to my ear, not only that the volume just isn't low enough to make the conversation private. As eaglesteve stated your best bet would be to get a different wm device. The phone is truely not a 1 handed device, however do keep in mind it has one of the biggest screens available on mobile devices. Just my 2 cents.
Oh and btw there's a seller on ebay stating he has 10 units available at $450 USD and the sale is ending in about 2 hrs. Hope this helps, here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlocked-T-mobi...ryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

thanks for the feedback guys
I have many winmo phones but the screen on the Advantage really appeals to me.
the universal has an earpiece I just wish this did...

juiceppc said:
thanks for the feedback guys
I have many winmo phones but the screen on the Advantage really appeals to me.
the universal has an earpiece I just wish this did...
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Like others have said, holding the phone up to your ear does work, but people close can hear your whole conversation.
I use the LG-StyleI and it works great. Leave your advantage on your belt (buy a tuff-as-nuts case) and answer and call using the style-i. You right the screen is great. I also have many winmo phones and the screen on the advantage can't be beat.

I am an occasional phone user. Nobody wants to talk to me ;-) But the sheer joy of owning one of these beasts far outweighs any inconvenience when using the phone (for an occasional user). The screen is large enough to make all the hype about watching videos, reading books, using spreadsheets, viewing website pages, playing hi res games, etc practical and enjoyable. BUY IT!

Athena up to my ear for tellyphone conversation
To juiceppc ,
i own an athena since January 2007 and have been frequently making & receiving calls by putting either my left ear or my right ear near to the right speaker like the Nokia Engage handphone and my mouth not so near to the mic on the left bottom of my athena with both speakers volume and mic volume to the maximum , and in my country - Malaysia i can talk using this way with 100% clarity in a quite enviroment or about 60% to 70% clarity on outdoors but 40% to 50% clarity on jobsites / noisy enviroment. Sometimes i encounter some breakups and cracking calls but other than that i think it's okay for my usage. You can always adjust both volumes to suit your calls but you may need some practise to get the hang of it. I hope this helps & sorry for very late posting

Recommendations for BT headset

Can anyone recommend a good (but sensibly priced) BT headset that I can use with my TyTN II and my Nokia E65?
I have a vodafone branded plantronics at the moment but it spent 2 hours in the washing machine

Allen Mead said:
Can anyone recommend a good (but sensibly priced) BT headset that I can use with my TyTN II and my Nokia E65?
I have a vodafone branded plantronics at the moment but it spent 2 hours in the washing machine
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If you can get a Jawbone 2, I'd highly recommend it. I've gone through countless motorolas, scalas and plantronics but apparently I sound the best on the jawbone, even when doing 100mph on the highway with the music pumped up!

Allen Mead said:
Can anyone recommend a good (but sensibly priced) BT headset that I can use with my TyTN II and my Nokia E65?
I have a vodafone branded plantronics at the moment but it spent 2 hours in the washing machine
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My old Plantronics (510???) went thru the washer *and* an hour in the dryer about 2 months ago. I couldn't believe when it powered on... and, it's still working to this day.
There went my excuse to upgrade to the Jawbone2!

If you aren't going to be in a noisy environment, you can pick up the Plantronics 510 pretty cheap. It's a little bigger, but pretty comfortable.
If you are like me, work in noisy environment, and want something that does a pretty good job at noise, the jawbone2 is a good choice. It's kind of pricey,
and some people can't get it to fit correctly, but it does its job really well.
I had the jawbone1, and never could get it to fit, and bought a customer ear piece from pilot stuff, expensive, but it makes for a PERFECT fit. It fit the jawbone 2 without any problem.

I would recommend the BlueAnt Z9i
It work pretty well in environments that are a bit loud and you can pair it to both your phones simultaneously.

Motoroal S9s hands down for me.

I just bought the Motorola S705. I am quite happy with, it pairs w/o any problem with my Kaiser, it has a FM Tuner (I wanted one becasue the Kaiser doesn't have radio).
The LCD screen shows the number calling you (not the name saved in the phone, at least I don't think so), as well as the radio and streamed song names (RDS technology). You can of course control the music program (pause, play, etc) but it will not show the name of the MP3 you're listening. Not so critical.
The must is that you can use whatever ears plugs you want cause they are plugged via a normal mini jack 3,5mm .
I did not used it so far to phone so I can't report on the microphone quality.
EDIT: yeah ok for phoning, in a quiet environment the person could hear me well, no pb. But the quality to hear this person was low to medium. That was not sounding so well. It could be a ear plugs issue, could try with others. Anyway a very nice and affordable headset.

Thanks for all your suggestions chaps, much appreciated

Blueant Z9i?
Has anyone used the Blueant Z9i with the Tilt? If so, any problems?

So far I have not seen any bluetooth headsets that look cool while you are wearing them. Usually you look like you have a bug on your ear. This is why I went with the Motorola T505 which is nice as it takes your calls and music from your phone using Bluetooth, then sends the signal to your car stereo using a Powerful FM Transmitter.
I had a Plantronics Headset which worked really well but It looked like something that came fromt eh original Star Trek Series with this bulky thing behing the ear. I also had a Cardo Scala Headset which also worked really well with some of my phones but not so well with others - (Tiny sound on listeners end I was told) This device was bulky right on the ear so it looked like a beetle sitting on my ear. Nothing worse then pulling up beside a car full of hot girls and they look over and see this bulky geeky gadget on you face.
What I would really love is for someone to come out with a bluetooth headset that is like those (I know they are not real) used on Stargate Atlantis) Very discrete.

Actually, the S9s look very cool when wearing them imo. When people look at them, they're just baffled. If you have long hair, they can even be covered and nobody can see them (teachers ).

kareem9nba said:
Actually, the S9s look very cool when wearing them imo. When people look at them, they're just baffled. If you have long hair, they can even be covered and nobody can see them (teachers ).
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Who makes the S9's? I want to take a look. How do they work? Good sound? Complaints from listeners on the other end.
I like the looks of the Apple Bluetooth Headset - They look pretty small; however, all the reviews I have read basically say that the device sucks.

Motorolla makes them and they are flat out amazing. Couldn't ask for a better headset. I rarely ever have it die out (take it to school and it's on almost all the time). The only time i get complaints is when i talk to low (because i'm in a bus) but other than that (outside, home, etc), amazing quality.

The S9s is cool and I have already looked at these for working out with; however, you cannot leagally use this for driving in a car as it sits in both ears.

True, however i have a little work-around for that (works great). Since when you're on a call, voice only comes in through the left side so i just stick the left side in my ear and the right side hangs on my neck (very flexible) which makes it perfectly legal

You could do that but I would find it awkward and distracting. I have a Jabra bluetooth stereo headset that uses regular earbuds and I could technically use this in the car as well letting one of the earbuds dangle, but I don't. I don't like having extra distractions from driving - cords dangling from my head - or in the S9s half of it on the ear and the other half around the neck. I have tried one of these on (S9s) and although it works really well - It was not as comfortable to wear as the Jabra set I bought. I would think that in the car - it would be awkward to turn you head to look over at your blind spot

I use Blueant Z9 for several months. No problems to pair, good sound etc.
The rubber earpiece started to disintegrate recently and today had completely fallen off. Blueant promiced to ship a replacement.

I have the BT8010 from Jabra. Works great, and comes with a slew of features you almost NEVER find on bluetooth headsets (mono a2dp, oled display with battery meter, 30 entry mini phonebook, 8 device pairing, 2 connections at a time, and a detachable stereo earbud that leeches power from the headset for stereo music playback). The only thing i dont like is the lack of Noise Processing. I occasionally get comments about sounding like im in a tunnel if im laying in my bedroom talking, but for the most part, no complaints. Its also just a tick over $30 at Tiger Direct now.
I just went ahead over the weekend and ordered a bulk pack Jabra BT8040 from Newegg.com after hearing good things about it from people I know. It was about $35 shipped, and comes with everything the retail version does, except in a bag instead of a box. Im looking forward to seeing how well it sounds to people I talk to since it has noise processing in it. It also is one of the very few mono bluetooth headsets available that has A2DP and remote functions built in.
If the BT8040 doesnt cure my occasional sound problems that people comment on when talking to them, I think ill try out a jawbone since they are under $60 now and see if that takes care of the problem. Ive heard too many things about how the jawbone2 is not as good at anything other than being smaller than the original. Less battery life, harder to keep pinned to your cheek, etc...

Bluetooth Headset

Hi all,
I have just received my Nexus 4, and I'm now looking for some nice headset for running.
I have been looking into lots of threads and messages and to be honest, I have a great mess. My first conclussion is that if I want the functionality of volume, play/pause and move backward/forward, I need to select the bluetooth option, although it is not my prefered because of the need of charging them quite often. Am I right with this assumption?
Then, if we focus on bluetooth alternative, I have seen good comments in the forum for these two options:
Sony Ericsson MW600:
LG HBS 730
Comments / Doubts
Considering that I want the headset for running, I have the doubt if the LG will move.
Also, for both models, I',m not sure if they will slip from my ears because of the plastic material... I have tried the default headset of the S Galaxy III and they slip from my ear every minute becasue of the swear. It didn't happened with my previous HTC Desire HD headset, which instead of plastic, the material was the all the life foam.
Finally, my last doubt... Maybe for running the best alternative is the type of headset which has some plastic all around the ear, but I haven't seen any model like that with bluetooth...
Any comment or recommendation will be very much appreciated!

i jsut got the mw600 to replace my jaybird freedoms that were dying. So far i like the mw600, the battery last pretty long around 6-7 hours for me and its fairly small about the size of the top of a ball point pen so it's easy to throw in a pocket or clip on a belt/collar. Bluetooth reception is strong compared to my Freedoms and Motorola headsets. There are a few things i dont like about it though. There are too many buttons(there's 5) on this thing and they are very sensitive. It took a little to get used to and very easy to press buttons by accident sometime i press the fwd or back buttons randomly in my pockets. I was looking at the LG too and that thing looks very bulky to me and i would imagine it would bounch around quite a bit when running but that's just me.

I recently bought the Plantronics BackBeat 903. I was stuck between that and the LG HBS 700, but as neotekz above me said, I found the latter to be too bulky for my liking. I think the Plantronics was a good purchase. Excellent sound quality (by Bluetooth standards), very discrete yet stylish, comfortable fit and great battery life (7+ from full charge) are the main highlights. I have to add though that I have not gone running with these on so I can't attest to how the fare during exercise. Based on my own experience (brisk walking) and the reviews, it seems it will hold up fine.
You can find them on Amazon.

Hi neotekz, esskayy,
Thanks to you both for your replies. After reading your posts, I have decided to buy the Plantronics one... I think that it will be the best option to be sure that they won't slip when running. I liked the option of the radio of Sony ones, but like major use will be for running, the comment of the slight difficulty to manage the buttons has finally decided me. I have already ordered them at Amazon!
Regards,

i am planning to take LG tone hbs 730
i want only for listening music
personally i dint linke plantronics