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Hi!
I want to share a bit of an amazing experience I had a few days ago.
My trusted JAM has overcome some drops and scratches during the year+ I've used it daily, but a few days ago I was doing some job by the pool side, when I fell into the water, not realizing I was carrying my JAM on the belt clip.
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I followed the "standard" water-in-electronics procedure, clothe drying, hair blower, under the lamp...for several hours, and... IT SURVIVED!
At first it refused to start, then hanged, then the GSM module was reported "missing", fog in the screen....
To my susrprise it has come back to near "normal" after a few days, and a restore did the rest of the trick.
I just wanted to share this with all of you advising that probably a fast "first aid treatment" may have been key to the resurrection..... I've lost some other phones just on a wet coat in a rainy day... :wink:
And for the help requested, the only remaining symptom of the "shock" is a strange snow effect on the screen lighting: some spots look brighter than others.
Any idea? :?:
Regards.
residual moisture OR water residue left as it dried slowly (crystalas forming) im guessing, if u can open it and wipe down the LCD/Glass and let it dry completley, it may help.
follow ImmortalU, it may help but somtimes this problem get solved by it self, just takes time.
The first rule with water in a device is to remove ALL power.
You can immerse electronics in water as long as they are totally dry before any power is passed through them again.
Its the power which causes the corrosion when water is present.
The moment anything is dropped into a loo / pool etc.. you whip it out and take out the battery as a matter of serious urgency.. leave it on a radiator or in the sun for a week then you should be good to go As long as damage was not done before power was removed.
Tom - www.mouselike.org
drsox said:
The first rule with water in a device is to remove ALL power.
You can immerse electronics in water as long as they are totally dry before any power is passed through them again.
Its the power which causes the corrosion when water is present.
The moment anything is dropped into a loo / pool etc.. you whip it out and take out the battery as a matter of serious urgency.. leave it on a radiator or in the sun for a week then you should be good to go As long as damage was not done before power was removed.
Tom - www.mouselike.org
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Thanks you all for the comments!
Problem with a PDA is that it's "already" energized the moment it gets wet, even the backup batt showed discharged when the thing "revived", Is there a real way to remove it?
To remove the LCD and clean it from the background seems a bit scary to me, I'll will try when I'm ready to trade up my JAM. At present time I'm quite happy with having been able to recover my machine, though not fully yet.
The cristal idea seems to be the answer to the "snow flake" effect, but I don't know if this can be cleaned or is somehow sealed altogether with the backlight. Anyone knows?
And why the effect is pixelized when it's clearly in the background, well beyond the transflective layer? Maybe the crystals align themselves with the tft's on the screen?
:?:
All considered, I am still shocked with the incredible "survivor" nature of the Magician design.
If just the S200/Prophet performance were a bit better....
Title says it all.
Phone was on before submersion and non-responsive after. I removed all easily removed parts (back, battery, SIM, stylus) and it is air drying.
Yes ... I washed my hands!
Any suggestions?
To be honest I think a total strip down my be in order to totally get rid of all the moisture.
I might be wrong but Never Say Never
Even if you totally stripped it down the damage is permanant and done
I'm not trying to be a downer, but here is the reality.
1) You probably shorted the phone out. It's dead
2) By some LUCKY chance you didn't short the phone out, let it dry for a LONG time with out supply any power to it. Assuming you can bring it back to live, the internals have already gotten wet. Water + Electronics = Corrosion. Your phone won't last long
That sucks man
I would suggest a full or as full as you can tear down and a flush with distilled water and then a very good drying.
I left mine out screen facing up in the pouring rain for 5 hours
was soaking but still working lol
the backlight wasnt happy though,
dried it out and took the battery out after playing with it wondering how it still worked.
all was well
occasionaly you get the white powedery corrosion on the various processor legs (makes contacts where you dont want them ) which most of the time cleaning them off with fix and issues .
Edit my wizard was playing some mp3s the otherday and fell of motorbike at 50 mph and hit the road , stopped picked it up it was still playing the same tune through the speakers ,
amazing build quality for a heavy device to survive that .
Just wondering... When using your phone in the rain is it dodgy? Like will it break the touch screen if it gets too wet? Should we all be buying gay covers?
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Title says it all.
Phone was on before submersion and non-responsive after. I removed all easily removed parts (back, battery, SIM, stylus) and it is air drying.
Yes ... I washed my hands!
Any suggestions?
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You should rename yourself the PMan! :lol: Sorry could not help myself :wink:
There is some hope for you - read this story http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54874
If you plan on attempting to clean it, don't use distilled water!
The best thing to use would be pure rubbing alcohol.
Well ... disassembled and patted it dry. Left it out to dry for about 24 hours ... reassembled.
Viola!
Powers up and everything seems to working fine.
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Even if you totally stripped it down the damage is permanant and done
I'm not trying to be a downer, but here is the reality.
1) You probably shorted the phone out. It's dead
2) By some LUCKY chance you didn't short the phone out, let it dry for a LONG time with out supply any power to it. Assuming you can bring it back to live, the internals have already gotten wet. Water + Electronics = Corrosion. Your phone won't last long
That sucks man
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Well you are a downer man.
New phones now are hard to short like that, though water do soak into the boards, just hope it didnt soak and damage your screen. Just take apart and dry.
Last night I spilled a bit of water on my Wizard. It was so little tough, not enough to get in the phone. But for some weird reason now when I turn it on all I get is the black screen with : Press Send to restore factory default, Other keys to quit. I tried pressing all of the buttons but none of them have any reaction. I even tried pressing the green call button but it still doesn't work. I have all of my contacts in there and since my mini USB port isn't functioning I couldn't sync them. The only thing I can do is to soft reset the phone but it just turns off and comes back to this screen. Maybe it is a loose keyboard/buttons cable? Please help.
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Last night I spilled a bit of water on my Wizard.
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You let the smoke out.
But seriously, micro-miniature electronics (like those in most cell phones) really DO NOT LIKE WATER. At all. Not even just a little. Hell, even 100% humidity is enough to do in most cell phones, with just a few minutes' exposure...but not necessarily all at once.
See, not only does the water short circuit things directly, but most water is...well, dirty. Dirty water breeds mold. Circuit boards, surprisingly, make excellent culture dishes for mold. So the longer your boards stay wet...even a little...the more likely you are to get mold. NASTY mold, the kind that can make you very damn sick. Also, the mold will corrode and deteriorate IC chips and other PCB components.
Open your phone, break it down into the smallest components possible, and thoroughly (but gently) brush clean the entire thing. I recommend camel hair or another non-conductive material. Try to avoid synthetic hair brushes though. Once that's done, wait. Give the phone at least 48 hours to completely dry. Like, Death Valley dry. Put it all back together, and you have a fighting chance.
Keep messing with it while it's wet, and I guarantee you'll have a brick in no time.
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I opened up the phone completely (done it so many times b4). But inside there isn't any water damage or water at all. It seems that basically all of the water just got onto the outside of the phone. None got in through cracks. Maybe the water got inside the keyboard pads? And somehow it is causing buttons to be pressed and making the phone think I want to reset it?
today was a horrible day...
apparently leaving your g1 in your pants while they are in the wash doesnt work so well.
does not power on
anyone have any idea what can be done to bring it back or is it most likely fried
and if it is done then does anyone want to buy it as is?
I guess this is an excuse to get a g2
*UPDATE*
I guess no G2 for me just yet.
My phone works great now. Did not do anything special. Did disassemble the phone though so I can wipe down any residue i saw on main components such as the keyboard.
My advice to anyone that has this misfortune is not to rush things. I think i turned my phone on 2 days too early but I got lucky and it did not affect my phone. I figured this out because there was a lot of visible moisture in the screen when the backlight turned on. The keyboard was not functioning correctly either.
I did leave it in rice for about 36 hours but I do not really think that did much as far as the drying process goes. Best thing to do is go to a hardware store and pick up a torx driver set(mine was $4 at Home Depot and it was 36 piece set including torx philips hex slotted and pozi) open up the phone *be careful* of course and let it air dry for 3-4 days (not absolutely necessary to take apart the entire screen but if you feel comfortable go ahead). While it was open I wiped down the main board and the keyboard. I did not take apart the screen because I just did not want to take any other risks(mostly because i knew the screen worked) even though there was moisture, I knew it would eventually dry out. But the key to all of this was patience(I know its tough to go 3-4 days without your baby).
the link for the service manual is http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf
Most of the time, phones can live through the washer and live. You MUST take out the battery and do NOT attempt to turn it on for atleast 48 hours, as you will likely short out the phone. Put the phone in a big bag of rice to let it soak up the water, also use a blowdryer to help dry the phone out. However, your warranty is now void, and there likely will be some remnants of water within your screen.
Yep! worst thing you can do is turn that thing on (or try) before its dry.
my g1 hasnt had a bath but other phones have (none with touch screens) and i take as much apart as possible and leave it that way till the waters gone (then like 4 more days just to me sure )
artifical drying sources reccomended (dont get too hot!!!)
I have had it in rice for about 24 hours now and its sitting on top of my dvr because it gives off a little heat so it should help the process.
just remembered that i didnt remove the sd card...
i was thinking that since it was in the washer with detergent, shouldnt i have just removed the battery and try to clean it in some type of solution...
I have read about a alcohol solutions but kind of scared and i just noticed that there is condensation around the edges of the screen
I'd say take it apart, Blow dry what you can, leave the pieces in a warm area for a couple hours, and then try putting it back together and turning it on.
anybody know how sensitive the screen is because i want to try and blow some heat on it but not sure if it will damage it
best part about handset insurance cover lost or stolen phones...hint hint
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best part about handset insurance cover lost or stolen phones...hint hint
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good point but im on att network using the g1 unlocked...
plus i rather not cheat my way out of it because this is my own fault
good news and bad news...
first of all it powers on and boots fine. Secondly the screen seems to be working perfectly (touch and all)
bad news i might have turned it on too early because screen still had noticeable water spots all over it. The keyboard also just spews random letters and commands (ie one of the letters controls the volume)
other good news 1.5 has onscreen keyboard
anyone have any advice on how to go about fixing the keyboard?
Advise for fixing the keyboard: take it apart and clean it.
ok well im taking it apart to clean it out and i see some residue but what should i use?
microfiber cloth?
cleaned out as much as i could but seems like the menu button is now acting up while the keyboard is still messed up
Aside from parts made of paper, parts with thin films (like the lcd), speakers, batteries, or fine parts that are difficult to dry, you can do a very neat job with 99% iso alcohol followed by deionized (aka distilled) water. This includes most (but not all) plastic casing, buttons, pcb boards, etc. Follow up with a hair blowdryer set on low heat (or if you have an electric heatgun, even better).
Get a semi-shallow dish, fill it with the solvent, submerge the part and scrub it lightly with a soft toothbrush. (probably don't scrub for polished surfaces like the exterior casing). Then directly rinse it under a stream of the deionized water. Finally, clean the dish out, fill it with the di water and scrub with the brush.
^ almost exactly what I did to recover a "dead" water soaked phone. Worked great, and learned a lot about how the phone is built
couldnt find 99% near by but got 91% which im assuming should work...
is it ok if i use bottled water(kirkland)?
oh and the spots on the screen are still there (light and dark areas)
thanks for the help guys
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couldnt find 99% near by but got 91% which im assuming should work...
is it ok if i use bottled water(kirkland)?
oh and the spots on the screen are still there (light and dark areas)
thanks for the help guys
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I bought my 99% iso from Safeway. It comes in a 16oz container. Look for it in the medical supplies aisles. Don't use bottled spring/mineral water, as that contains... minerals. You need buy deionized (also referred to as distilled) water. Distilled water contains a significantly lower amount of mineral ion, which for the purpose of cleaning electronics would be considered contaminants.
Do the spots appear to be blotches of moisture? Perhaps there is fluid trapped between the various layers of the lcd.
ok ill go check out safeway tomorrow morning. thanks for clearing up the water thing.
it looks like its moisture because after leaving it off for about 5 or 6 more hours i saw a few spots fade a little bit.
I will take the screen apart tomorrow as well. Any special instructions on handling the screen or even cleaning it?
You might want to search for the service manual for the G1. It details a complete teardown and rebuild of the dream hardware.
some sort of a miracle just occured because my phone is not acting up at all anymore and i didnt even clean it with the alcohol solution yet.
Just woke up in the morning and turned on the phone and worked perfectly, with absolutely no problem with the keyboard(except that i think i forgot a screw and a few keys are a little loose) everything works fine.
only problem is that the screen still has what looks like condensation.
but the blotches in the screen seem to be slowly fading. Gonna pop it open right now and leave it out overnight.
thanks for the help
oh and the manual has a few mistakes in it as far as procedure goes but any person with common sense should be able to get past those
Damn, thats rough man. I dropped both my old phones in the toilet(damn you superbowl, damn you!!!)and both of them worked after taking them apart and drying them off but never really worked 100% the same...
Just a note too, those were non-touch screen phones.
Best of luck.
I immediately removed it from the water, and desperately tried to remove the back case to remove the battery (its quite hard when the phone is wet) i got there eventually though.
The screen was flickering whilst the phone was still on, and the water sensitive stickers on the battery and phone are both pink. I've blow dried it for about 10 minutes haven't tried to start it back up yet.... any suggestions?
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I immediately removed it from the water, and desperately tried to remove the back case to remove the battery (its quite hard when the phone is wet) i got there eventually though.
The screen was flickering whilst the phone was still on, and the water sensitive stickers on the battery and phone are both pink. I've blow dried it for about 10 minutes haven't tried to start it back up yet.... any suggestions?
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DON'T start it for a few days. Put it in a warm place, leave it to dry for 48-72 hours and pray it works when you turn it on.
yeah just be patient and wait about 3-4 days to dry. but do not put it under direct sunlight
....and wash your hands
Try to put into bag with rice, and leave for couple of days...
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Try to put into bag with rice, and leave for couple of days...
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put it in a bag of rice or leave out in the open?!?
put your phone into rice and keep bag closed
Basically you just need to make sure you dry it out thoroughly. Don't try to rush this process in a few hours. All the posts about leaving it somewhere warm (like an airing cupboard) are correct. Don't put it on top of a radiator or hot pipe, or in the sun as already suggested. The idea of putting it in a bag of rice is to help draw the moisture out. Never tried this method myself.... You really must be patient with this - managed to save my Touch Pro that got soaked in the rain last year....
okay so i've put the phone the battery and the sim on top of some rice in a bad behind my tv in my bedroom
rice like the others said or if you are a cigar person (or know someone who is) place it in an acrylic humidor w/ humidification beans.......I resurrected a M$ ZUNE my wife dropped in a rain puddle by doing this in my humidor
man, this reminds me of the time I dropped my phone in a bucket of puke from a heavy night. Still worked after I dried and cleaned it up.
"DON'T start it for a few days."
yup ..is correct wait until dry ... "rice" are good for absorb humilities ..
but If I not wrong ..after dry .the speaker of the phone will change ..just like my tytn II drop into "wash floor water", it still can use .. but the speaker sound change ...
Οh man , really bad luck..
hope it goes ok but be patient and let it dry manually !!!
my wife washed my cellphone once (left in pocket after heavy night of drinking). Took the battery out, let it sit on a counter for about a week. Phone recovered though it took the screen a while for the colors to all show properly.
I have read where people put their oven on warm and leave it overnight. I don't think this will hurt the phone since their won't be a power source in it.
Dropped in a sink with the tap running!
I dried it out under a hand dryer, then powered it up straight away. In hindsight this was pretty stupid, but it booted up ok. The only problem being the NAVPANEL would randomly appear and require a reboot. The next day that problem had gone away, and was replaced with a new problem - the Volume down button being jammed on! Also the battery life was reduced to about 10 hours. After a further 48 hours and a blast with compressed air (around the volume buttons) the phone has returned to 100% normal use - even the battery life is getting better, now upto about 36-42 hrs..... but I have bought a replacement for that anyway!!
Can't believe how lucky I was!
[Edit: Just saw you fixed it. Bravo! I'll leave this here anyway...]
Rice is good, unless you have any silica gel kicking about, the stuff you get in electronic packaging in the little paper bags/sachets that say "do not eat".
But yes, definately don't do what the majority do...
"I just turned it on to see if it would work..."
"You turned your phone/laptop on while it was wet... to see if it would work?"
"Yeah... why?"
*facepalm*
Happens about once a week in the PC store I work at. You could also try stripping it after it's dried and going over it with a carbon pen to remove any corrosion/residue.
After removing the battery, SIM, and MicroSD and gently removing any surface water.
One trick I found is to put a phone in the path of hot dry air for 30 minutes to a couple of hours. A clothes dryer vent works wonderfully for this since its temperature controlled (and timed) to keep from destroying the fabric in your clothes, and hot enough to allow water to evaporate. If you have access to your dryer vent hose, unhook it and rest it on top of the dryer and put your phone in the path (at least 4 to 6" from the opening). It's worked for 2 phones so far. One being my wife's Motorola, and one my Touchpro. If you have a dryer with an insert for shoes, you could use that as well, although I would put the phone on something to keep it from vibrating off.
You could use a hair dryer but keep in mind that hair dryers are not designed to be run continuously and the temperature is not technically regulated.
The trick is to get the temperature of the whole phone up to about 130 to 140 degrees and the water will evaporate. I would avoid shaking the water out of the phone or using pressureized air since that will push water into the delicate connectors, keypad matrix, screen, etc.
Let me give you a more scientific approach to your problem, i will try to explain as better as i can since english aint my primary language.
After you drop it in the water, your phone will never be the same for couple of reasons. First of all, when the water will dry, salt will "sit" on the connections and the weldings of the connectors, and that will slowly but steadily eat them. My saying is : " Never trust a phone that was dropped into water/coffee ". For you to be sure of your phone you need to strip it, and clean it with a spray for electrical appliances. Now there are 2 types of those sprays, one with oil and one with no oil in it. For your thing you need the NO-OIL one. Thats to make sure you wont get a loose joint and eventually your phone wont get broken.
If you dont feel like opening your phone and you dont feel comfortable with it, just ignore my post and just dry it out. What is 100% sure is that at some point it will break down, it depends on when though, from hardware to hardware.
Just my 2 cents.
Any time I get anything wet I IMMEDIATELY remove the battery, then I remove anything else I can from it: Sim Card, Memory Cards, etc. I don't like the rice idea because rice ALWAYS ends up stuck somewhere inside. I prefer setting my phone on some foil out in the sun for a bit (provided it's not too hot out) or just leaving it somewhere where it's warm to dry out. DO NOT BY ANY MEANS put the battery back in or turn it on until it is COMPLETELY dry. A minimum of a day if you even want to begin to chance it. If it was dropped in something other than relatively clean fresh water, I would keep everything out of it (battery, sim, memory cards, etc.) and dip it in a cup of distilled water a few times to clean any particles off, then let it dry again completely before turning it on. Just because an electronic gets wet, doesn't mean it won't work. The only way to kill it really is if you power it back on or the battery shorts it.
I went swimming at the lake with my old Nokia 5310 for 10 minutes before remembering it was in my pocket, I immediately took everything out when I remembered and left it in the sun for 8 hours and it worked fine for a year after until I threw it into a wall as hard as I could due to a frustrating girlfriend haha
U may have problems in the future... Since it was submerged in water some components will begin to rust... I suggest u take it to a mobile service shop so they can tell u what to do, or maybe they can fix it...