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Screen Resolution

Hi all,
I am new to this group as I just "Right this minute" bought a Shift, I should have done a bit more research before buying but what the hell, it looks awesome.
My question is what resolutions does the shift do, I know on the site it says 800 x 480 but I aslo own a OQO e2 and it has the same resolution but it can go up to 1200 x 720 but the screen is not clear, its fine if you are just moving around windows and not having to read small text, I use that resolution in Outlook as you can then view most of Outlooks windows and functions with out scrolling all the time. So does the Shift do this as well?

Hi,
Yes its the same with the shift. 800x480 is "native". And it can "simulate" 1024x600. But you can choose a bit larger font size so you can still read everything and still see the whole dialoge-box on the screen.
It works for me.
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

personally i use 800x480 most of the time, but 1024x600 is very useful from time to time and the hotkey to switch instantly between the two is fantastic.

I think that 1024x600 is only to be used when a contol window cannot be shown completely in 800x480. I don't believe somebody can work for longer than a couple of minutes on 1024x600 because I find it very difficult to read. But I also like the button to switch instantly beween the 2 resolutions. This solves the problem of Vista not beng designed for 800x480.

sonietje said:
I think that 1024x600 is only to be used when a contol window cannot be shown completely in 800x480. I don't believe somebody can work for longer than a couple of minutes on 1024x600 because I find it very difficult to read. But I also like the button to switch instantly beween the 2 resolutions. This solves the problem of Vista not beng designed for 800x480.
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I find the interpolated resolution very usable indeed - my Shift is almost always on 1024x600 mode - generally speaking the only time I drop it back down to 800x480 is when I'm watching a DivX.
Regards,
Dave

I also prefer the 1024 x 600 resolution, and I am not young and I wear glasses. I have increased the font dpi to 110% and that makes text quite readable for me.
In contrast, I do have difficulty reading on the Fujitsu U810 and Sony Vaio UX series. The 7" display makes all the difference.

I'm always on the 1024x600 resolution.
Maybe it's a difference I've got good eyes but I don't have any problem with reading.
Word / excel / outlook / live messenger / internet, everything runs fine on this resolution.
If you can't read it, you can use larger fonts (as someone else already said)

It sounds like it is heaps better than the OQO, I only change to the higher resolution on the OQO if I have to as it is quite blurry. I Can't wait till the Shift arrives.

I have the Shift on Orange (UK) and my device does not switch between the two resolutions? Can you state what video driver you have to enable this? Or is is a 'limitation' on the Orange device.

I always use 1024.......

pdagal said:
I also prefer the 1024 x 600 resolution, and I am not young and I wear glasses. I have increased the font dpi to 110% and that makes text quite readable for me.
In contrast, I do have difficulty reading on the Fujitsu U810 and Sony Vaio UX series. The 7" display makes all the difference.
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I am also using mine Shift with 1024 x 600 resolution, but increased the font dpi to 112 %.

What's the max resolution under WM after all the hacks? 320x240, 640x480, 800x480 or 1024x600?

You can also right click desktop to set 800x600, I use this one for a long time!

Are you talking about WM?

Fixup said:
Are you talking about WM?
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no he is not ... right click on the desktop in on Vista there are no desktop in WM.
in WM the resolution is "always" 640x480 .. I don't think that someone goes further than that.. and I don't know if it is possible to switch to a lower resolution.

So there are still black bars at the left and right sides even after the realvga hack?
BTW, I searched google but cannot find what's realvga.

Fixup said:
So there are still black bars at the left and right sides even after the realvga hack?
BTW, I searched google but cannot find what's realvga.
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yes... black bars ..... be careful with REALVGA.. I never used it but if you have a non-english version, you have to create a /windows/startup folder... and filled it with the content of your statup folder (in your language)
for RealVGA look on the 4th thread... you'll find info about it I think

Buch070 said:
I am also using mine Shift with 1024 x 600 resolution, but increased the font dpi to 112 %.
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Hi,
I tried to increase to 110%, but cannot find how to do it. I have only standard options and the first step is to 120% and I cannot do it like I wish. How can it be done?
Thanks.
S.

Test drive the HD online!

if you have a Diamond, or Pro, then install the software from www.mymobiler.com, set it to 75% screen size and you will see exactly what its like to use such a big screen!
if you have a regular 320x240 WM then increase size to 150%.

ekerbuddyeker said:
if you have a Diamond, or Pro, then install the software from www.mymobiler.com, set it to 75% screen size and you will see exactly what its like to use such a big screen!
if you have a regular 320x240 WM then increase size to 150%.
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I believe you are talking about Touch HD 1 here or HD 2

Display interpolation, how ?

The Shift screen has a native resolution 1024 x 600, right ? And then it interpolates up by software ?
Is there a way to get other laptops to do this ? I love being able to do this on the shift, but it would be awesome if I could do it on my other laptop too. Is this possible ?

Celio Redfly Mobile screen/keyboard with Touch HD

I have been a Redfly user for a bit with my HTC S620 (aka Dash aka Excalibur) and was always dissappointed with the number of memory errors I got .... obviously pushing the Excalibur memory to its limits.
I bought the Touch HD mainly so I could have more raw computing power.
The good news is the beta drivers work and connect well albeit with a couple of bugs.
Remote Desktop is a dream giving a correctly oriented 800*480 desktop which is perfectly usable and was one of the main reasons for my upgrade. I cannot work out how to do this natively on the phone but with the Redfly it becomes like using a netbook!
Touchflo is a dog and I have been in touch with the Celio Support guys who are going to deliver a fix in a couple of weeks. Essentially turning off touchflo when the Redfly connects and turning it on again when it disconnects. This is good, in my opinion, because it's just how it worked with the Excalibur and sliding windows.
Opera 9.5 fails to load which is a dissappointment for me because a couple of sites I frequent use php and the native IE has no idea how to render the pages, it seems. Opera 9.5 does the job fine on the Touch HD directly but not through the Redfly. Support suggest a fix for that will come but no timescale as yet. Apparently Opera 8.65 works on the Redfly, though not sure how I can downgrade the browser....any ideas?
If anyone is interested in how these bugs pan out, then please add to the thread.
Best Regards
Mal

Do we have more information on this topic?
Do we have more information on this topic? I'm digging to find out as I'm very interested with the HD and if the Redfly could be the perfect companion for it.
So, the bugs at this moment:
1. Built-in/pre-install Opera does not work.
2. Video playback in the HD (Windows Media and/or other video software) will not show up in the Redfly.
3. TouchFlow 3D does not work, need to be disabled.

lie_ui said:
Do we have more information on this topic? I'm digging to find out as I'm very interested with the HD and if the Redfly could be the perfect companion for it.
So, the bugs at this moment:
1. Built-in/pre-install Opera does not work.
2. Video playback in the HD (Windows Media and/or other video software) will not show up in the Redfly.
3. TouchFlow 3D does not work, need to be disabled.
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I think that's pretty much it, though I note Celio have released some more drivers which I'll be trying tonight. The previous beta drivers did not fix the problems I was having with the Touch HD.
They can be downloaded from http://www.celiocorp.com/install/beta/.
I think Celio are trying to fix problems 1 & 3 but I guess 2. is out of scope, in view of hte new device for video playback they just launched.
HTH
Mal

I tried the new "64" beta drivers yesterday and confirm:
Opera still does not work - didn't expect it to.
The automatic turning off and on of Touchflo works and improves the experience on the Redfly immeasurably.
There is some form of bug in many of the apps. It looks like, in my inexperienced view, that the screen is being constantly redrawn. This makes some apps unusable e.g. in mail, which looks a lot better on this version, I can reply to the original author ok, but if I want to add in another contact the add contact screen seems to keep redrawing and flickering making it impossible to add in another contact.
I noticed the same flickering in Remote Desktop but it was limited to the top menu bar as far as I could see.
On the regular Today page, the items on screen regularly "flash" like they are being refreshed constantly.
Another glitch I found when connecting to the Touch when in power save, passworded mode, the Redfly seems to take control with the keyboard, but not of the screen. So I was operating the device using the Redfly keyboard but the screen stayed on the Touch.
I'll feed this back to support and see what they recommend next.
HTH
Mal

Mal Bridgeman said:
Remote Desktop is a dream giving a correctly oriented 800*480 desktop which is perfectly usable and was one of the main reasons for my upgrade. I cannot work out how to do this natively on the phone but with the Redfly it becomes like using a netbook!
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Let me start by saying I LOVE MY REDFLY... got it when I was using an iMate JasJam and then moved to a HTC P3600i and it just works a treat...
Since then I have upgraded to the HTC Touch HD for more processing power...
I do not tend to use the TouchFlo offering on the Touch HD when I am working with it, preferring to turn it off and just use the regular windows format. With this in mind all works a treat except for the fact that because the Touch HD is a WVGA 480 X 800 pixel the screen ratio makes it look big and chunky. BTW - The Opera 9 fix that allows the Redfly to support the browser is great
In fact compared to what the P3600i use to deliver, the the screens look a bit "Lego" - big and chunky, but cute !
I have sent an email off to Celiocorp to see if they are looking at the resolution.
I sent them comparative screen shots of the screen ratio I use to get with the P3600i on the Redfly (2.8-inch QVGA 240 x 320 pixels screen) vs the Touch HD (3.8-inch wide, WVGA 480 X 800 pixel).
Have noticed that the phones in their Evolution program (beta) are as such;
Sony Experia - 3-inch WVGA 800 x 480 pixel
HTC Touch Diamond - 2.8-inch VGA 480 x 640 pixels
HTC Touch Pro - 2.8-inch VGA 480x640 pixels
Samsung Omnia - 3.2-inch NON-STANDARD 240 x 400 pixels
Samsung Portégé G810 - 2.8-inch QVGA 240x320 pixels
Now, while the demand is not great for WVGA they do have the Sony Experia operating on that platform, however they are still providing the RFP6_01040093.cab which is the same for the ones listed above - so I would imagine Xperia users on Redfly would have the same issue.
Considering the phones that are being released in the next six months;
Touch HD - 3.8-inch wide, WVGA 480 X 800 pixel
HTC Touch Diamond 2 - 3.2-inch wide, WVGA 480 X 800 pixel
HTC Touch Pro 2 - 3.6-inch TFT-LCD touch-sensitive screen with 480 X 800 WVGA resolution
Samsung's new T*Omnia - WVGA 800 x 480 pixels
Asus' P835 - WVGA 800 x 480 pixels
Samsung Anycall SPH-W6050: 3-inch wide 800 x 480 pixel
Acer M900 Tempo: 3.8-inch wide 800 x 480 pixel
I have written to them asking if they are going to release a beta that supports the WVGA format? And if so when do you expect it to be available.
I did ask if because the Redfly itself offers WVGA resolution at 800 x 480 pixels - is it because the resolutions are 1:1 that is causes the issue?
Will keep you upd to date with where this gets too....
Asp

Hi all,
Just a quick update.
I have not personally had a response back from Celiocorp but I did notice last night that they had a new beta release on the 19 March and that due to the significant changes between 01.04.00.147 (new release) and the last beta build (01.04.00.93) it is necessary to update both the phone and the REDFLY Firm ware to insure proper compatibility.
They list the main changes as:
[] A new compression mechanism has been implemented and it is found in a new tab in the REDFLY settings called Compression. This compression is turned off by default, but if you primarily connect via Bluetooth, we recommend turning this on. To do this, check the box that says Enable lossy compression. This will slightly reduce the image clarity on your REDFLY while significantly improving the performance speed of the data transferring between your phone and the REDFLY.
[] Several improvements for the Touch Pro, Diamond, and Fuze phones have been implemented which significantly improve the interaction with TouchFLO as well as the phone dialer. If you normally have TouchFLO turned off, the longer delay to load the screen has been eliminated and assorted issues with Font size changing on the phone have been corrected. NOTE: The larger-sized tool and menu bars however have not changed, and will most likely be released as they are now. We continue to work with HTC on this issue and perhaps a solution will become available in the future.
The Epix camera no longer hangs when launched (in a REDFLY session).
The Phone software version is RFP6_01040147.CAB and the Firmware required for the Redfly is RFF_01040147.CAB
As some feedback they upgrade does greatly improve the speed on the Redfly when connected to the Touch HD - so full points on this - but moving from the Lego experience is something I will still wait for. From the look of it they have not added any WVGA phones to their evaluation program...
Cheers
Asp

Hi, I did get my redfly from expansys 1 week ago.
I did install the newest software from Celio and it works fine with my Touch HD !
Only the keyboard should be a QWERTZ
Does anyone know if it is possible, to reprogram this keyboard to QWERTZ and " ä, ö, ü "
Thank you!

T.Brumm - that's great it is working a treat....
I have found that the current beta drivers (http://www.celiocorp.com/smartphone#betaphones) for the Touch HD still a little buggy particularly when you get an incoming call as both the RedFly and the HD hang...
I have just picked up a Dell Inspirion Mini 9 for now and am using it with the RedFly view so I can draft emails while flying for business - but I for now I have given up on the HD RedFly combo. The other thing I find frustrating (see my post above with the images) is the change in resolution. Because both devices are naturally 800 x 480 the text within mobile outlook is very chunky and the guys a few rows back can read what I am typing....
I wish it was working for me...I really love what it stands for...
Asp

Having spent a couple of months trying out the cooked roms I decided to give the RedFly another try. So I had to restore back to the original ROM, then updated to the latest official HTC ROM first, which took a little while to figure out.
I then installed the new 192 drivers and firmware and although it's a while since I used it with my "Dash", I am thinking there's not a great deal wrong with this ...sure I'd like it a bit faster, but functionally I think it's back as the device I wanted it to be.
HTH
Mal

Wasted Space on Liberated WinMo Screen

I have noted that the screen on the liberated WinMo shift has blank spaces to the right and to the left of the screen. The combined total area of wasted screen is almost 2 inches. Question is: is there a way one can utilize the full screen with WinMo for the the Today screen and for most of the programmes in their default application? I guess for the programmes that have full screen capability that might be possible. will check on that......
One other question which might be the subject of other threads here: is it possible to change the screen resolution in WinMo side? Sorry if I have asked something that may have been answered elsewhere.
Ed.

If I have understood what you mean ... everything is about switch from 640x480 to 800x480 (wide screen) but it is a well known issue and I think that nobody has been able to make it support the 800x480 resolution.. that's why you get this wasted space.
As the resolution is 640x480, you will never be able to get full today plugin or full screen program with 800x480 resolution... unless you get the 800x480 resolution to work.
You should ask "why not 800x480 by default from HTC?".... simple : no 800x480 support in WM6 sadly !
To get the 800x480 resolution, it first needs a rom with WinMob 6.1 (I think) or later .. which is not easy. And having that kind of rom may still be not enough.

koala996 said:
You should ask "why not 800x480 by default from HTC?".... simple : no 800x480 support in WM6 sadly !
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Not true I'm afraid.
The Toshiba Portege G900 that I used to use runs WM6.0, and it supports 800x480. In fact, IIRC, it has the same CPU as the Shift/WinMo.
Regards,
Dave

Try this app (Danger: It can harm your device)
We use it for resolution switching in toshiba g900.
Just install SdkCerts and then main application. After that - launch WVGAFix.
Post result here if it is good or bad...
Remember - it can be dangerous, but it works great on my G900

I tried it, but only get an error saying "Sorry, WVGAFIX3 can't run on your system!"