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Hi,
First off: thanks to this forum and it's users! I am now a happy owner of a Blue Angel AND a Universal.
I thought it would be nice to share with you guy's these facts:
1) The Universal costs in Portugal 799 Euro in stores and providers tend to ask 849 Euro for it.
2) You may start to find some discounts. Currently they are sold a http:\\www.fnac.pt for just 649 Euro. Obviously the end of commercialization is arraving for this great phone...
3) The cheapest way to get one is through eBay: I got one for 255 Euro + shipping (280 Euro total).
How to do it and why it's so cheap:
1) In Germany, many Universal's are sold by T-Online, branded as MDA Pro.
2) People seem to get them cheap there with a 1-2 year contract.
3) After 6-12 month they want to get rid of it because it is probably TO BIG for them (being a BA user, I will have to get used to this oversized phone, as well - it is really big and clumsy to handle).
4) Because it is normally SIM-Locked (unlocking it at T-Online costs 99 Euro) and because it is branded, it's value is not so high for normal users (I am a freak, so I would pay it's weight in gold, if I had any gold...).
5) There are lot's of them being sold on http://www.ebay.de.
How to do it:
1) Take your time and start observing current auctions.
2) Make a search for all MDA Pro's on the german eBay.
3) Ask each seller if they would ship to your country and if the phone is really in mint condition.
4) If they don't answer fast, remove them from your list.
5) If they have negative feedback (more than 1%), remove them from your list.
6) If they have strange remarks on positive feedback (i.e. difficult contact), remove them from your list.
7) From the remaining, select the ones that offer phones in mint condition without accessories like SDCards (they are cheaper new and will make noobs lose their heads when bidding).
8) Monitor the remaining ones and bid only in the last minute!!! Keep two pages open: one to monitor current bid, one with your bid ready to go.
9) You should not spend more than 300 Euro - if you monitor auctions of these devices, you will see many being sold for less than 300 Euro.
BEAR IN MIND THAT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS A RISK WHEN PURCHASING STUFF LIKE THIS AT EBAY!
What to do next:
1) Use the great SIM Unlock tool available from Buzz.
2) Flash WM6 in WWE.
3) Patch the registry so that it matches the german keyboard. The german keyboard is perfectly OK, the only annoyance is the swapped "Z" and "Y".
4) If this is not acceptable, you can by an english keyboard at eBay as well. It will cost you some 25 Euro, though. Also, you will need to dismantle the whole phone for this replacement.
It is always better to get a second hand Universal from a friend you trust, but if you live in Portugal or other periferic country, it might not be easy to find someone willing to sell his Universal for such a low price.
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers,
vma
Ops - wrong forum! Could a Mod or Admin please move this to the Universal - Universal section?
Thanks,
Vitor
Don't these machines then have the wrong (german) keyboard?
doodle you should read
nice guide vma, also nice to see someone else puls the same tricks as i do on ebay with 2 pages open.. bidding with only 3 seconds left ftw
bidsniper ftw, it bids with 0.5 seconds to go
Does this mean shipping is worldwide?
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panzer said:
Does this mean shipping is worldwide?
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It means the seller will ship to anywhere in the world
For those who can't understand german, here is a nice link for you:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_en&trurl=http://www.ebay.de/
Thanks go to Babelfish, Altavista and of course to Douglas Adams.
Regarding eBay-Tools: I have tried them, but are not very fond of them:
1) Most cost money.
2) You need to give an (unknown) software your eBay-passwords
3) I don't feel confortable having a software bidding for me
The thing is: if you loose in the last minute, then just wait for the next auction. never buy completly out of impulse. Take your time to find the right product being auctioned. Settle the price you are really wanting to pay at maximum. Bid in the last 1-2 minutes with your maximum price. That has always worked for me.
Cheers,
vma
I did the same thig as vma and recently got a UNI next to a BA. eBay is a good place to shop for these phones. But instead to look just for MDA Pro, it's also good to look for the other aliases of the UNI. Like the SPV M5000. Less people will know that this is the same phone and the price is likely (hopefully) a bit less then for a MDA Pro. (at least that worked for me when I bough my BA).
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4) If this is not acceptable, you can by an english keyboard at eBay as well. It will cost you some 25 Euro, though. Also, you will need to dismantle the whole phone for this replacement.
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The german keyboard layout is quite annoying to me. So I would like to opt for the english keyboard, but haven't been able to find it on ebay yet. You have any links to it?? The problem for me is not with the Z and they Y, but with the special character, eg those above the numbers. So, I rather keep the keyboard layout in english, just like the keyboard of my PC. But the 25 euro would be well worth it.
While replacing the keyboard, it's probably also a good oportunity to fix the little plastic thingie that is preventing the pen from falling out. At least that was a small operation I have done on several BAs in the past and plan to do this soon on my UNI as well, since the pen keeps dropping out.
Talking about pens: On ebay, you'll also be able to find a few shops that sell pens for the UNI. One of the shops in Hong Kong sells you a set of 3 for less than 7 euros including shipping. (just search for "Qtek 9000 stylus" and you'll find several shops)
Look here for example: item # 300098533646
This seems to be a black one, but I have seen many silver ones as well. Beware that they come from Hong Kong!
I don't know how much customs charge for something like this.
Cheers,
vma
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not a reallygood idea since the German keyboard is in QWERTZ!!
Read what I wrote! I mentioned that fact.
Also, you can configure WWE through a registry hack to this keymap, so the only annoyance is that the Z and Y key's are swapped. But they will correspond to the labels on the keyboard.
Also, you can purchase a keyboard at eBay and replace the german one.
Cheers,
vma
i got my pro from t-mobile for sale...,so who ever is interestet please pm me for this..
Hello,
Im thinking about buying Universal, but i have some questions about it.
1.Where to buy it, i would like to get it in good shape/now, not some old cheese.
2.Has it any defects or easy brokening parts.? Warranty after buying via. internet is a pain.
3. I read somewere that there are some fake models avabile?
Is it real talk or some WomensInSaunaToldMe story?
Your best bet would either be eBay or the Marketplace. I think the latter is a better choice because you'll probably find it much cheaper with details.
Just looked, at the ebay.
I could get for 350$ from there.
Now i need some info abot the fake thing.
And one question more:
Is this mobile still sustainable (this may be wrong word ) or is there a hope for support in XDA nexr 2-3 years?
But yeah, Wallaby is much older
Do not hessitate on buying an Universal!
Is one of the best devices ever!!
Thanks to the Chefs and Devs here you´ll have Universal for a long time!
Have a look here to see another buy options
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=25385196
jaank said:
Just looked, at the ebay.
I could get for 350$ from there.
Now i need some info abot the fake thing.
And one question more:
Is this mobile still sustainable (this may be wrong word ) or is there a hope for support in XDA nexr 2-3 years?
But yeah, Wallaby is much older
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Haven't heard of this "fake" business you speak of but i'm pretty sure eBay is safe. I'm also sure you can get one for much cheaper than that.
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I'm also sure you can get one for much cheaper than that.
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Cheaper than the Ebay?
Where?I think 350usd for that kinda High-End device is pretty cheap.
All im worried about is, that maybe it doesn't fit into my pants pockets, because im only 12 and my pocket's arent very big.
edit: Orb3000 could you please fix the link. I like'd to read it.
Enter here and do a search with the word "Universal"
You´ll see many options:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=476
price and size
jaank said:
Cheaper than the Ebay?
Where?I think 350usd for that kinda High-End device is pretty cheap.
All im worried about is, that maybe it doesn't fit into my pants pockets, because im only 12 and my pocket's arent very big.
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Hi jaank.
On Ebay in the UK, Universals are selling for £100-£130. that is 1840-2390 Krooni (you live in Estonia, right?) You could probably get a better deal on this site in Marketplace.
If you are worried about the size for your pocket. A Uni is 130mm X 78mm X 23mm. Maximum. make up a cardboard one and try it out. that was what I did before I bought my Athena.
A Uni is pretty tough but so is school.(at least mine was) you need to be careful. You already have a Wizard so you know that. Best of luck. let us know how you get on.
Oh, cool answer
But, has Universal some weak spots?
Like the screen turning system or so?Im thinking about some other mobile, at the weekend.
Im in Middle schoool , so im pretty peaceful and im pretty peaceful at all, but im sportly active and so having second phone is pretty good idea I think.
And the point for buying Uni IS school.
Im a boy, so i sit at the back and our school has wifi.
And as you all know (I hope) is school pretty booring.
Thank you for the help, and sorry for my English.I started learning English in third grade and Im going to Six't grade so I'm not really experienced about english.
Thank you, and i love PayPal.
EDIT: Where did you see NEW uni for 2000eek. I talked to my parrents and it's have to be new
EDIT2:About future Is there some roms wiht the latest Manila as in the Touch Pro/Hd
SorryForDouble
Looking for the Cheapest NEW uni.
My old mobile battery is diening so needed fast.
Uni's can be bought cheap at the German eBay. Current prices are at about 100 Euro, I saw auctions finishing at 90 Euro. This is madness, for such a great device.
You need to search for "MDA PRO", as this is the name given by the German phone operator.
I actually own two of them, so that is a good sign on how much I like this phone!
Drawbacks: whilst driving, my phone holder does not allow the Universal to be placed such that the keyboard is accessible. This means, I can't type while driving (one shouldn't do that anyway). Also, Internet Explorer will render quite small fonts.
When I am driving, I do prefer the form factor of my VDA GPS (like a Motorola Q9).
Other than that, this phone is simply great.
No known issues.
You should consider:
- new battery
- screen protector
- proper car holder
Cheers,
vma
i got mine about a month ago. i got it off ebay germany, i paid 88eur for the universal g3, plus a 3200mah battery, a tomtom mkii sirf3 gps receiver and a docking station.
that was about the best 90eur i ever spent, although i didn't get a stylus, a case or a handsfree, which i thought, was standard accessories, the gps alone is priced at 75eur in germany
VMA:
- new battery- IDK, I'm scared about weight.
- screen protector- Shure
- proper car holder- Dont have a car so not needed.
If you buying MDA Pro than you can still flash it?
EDIT: Is MDA pro software in germany?
Hi,
With new battery I meant the fact that most MDA PRO's sold nowadays at eBay are over two years old, so you should not expect to much from the shipped battery. You certainly will need to purchase a new one soon to get a full day of heavy usage out of your device.
I agree that the extra capacity batteries increase the size and weight of the Universal beyond reasonable lilmits (for me at least), so I would stick with the normal sized batteries.
Basically I wanted to alert you that you should not spend *ALL* your money on the Universal - save some for an extra battery...
The German MDA PRO will in most cases come with a German falvour of WM5 and with a SIM lock.
You can, however, unlock the SIM by following the procedure of the Unlocker (search forum) and you can certainly flash a different ROM. I personally like Tomal's modified WM6.1 ROM's a lot.
The only remaining issues you will have with the German version of the Universal:
- MDA / T-Mobile logo on the inside, T-Mobile logo on the outside
- German keyboard: essentially you will have the "Y" and "Z" keys swapped - and no, you can't physically exchange the keys, because they have different size
I can live perfectly well with both issues and they don't affect the usability or the value of the device at all.
Cheers,
vma
Now it's about Ebay safety.
How to chose seller?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-O2-XD...trkparms=65:12|66:2|39:1|72:1205|293:1|294:50
What do you think about that?
Check on marketplace first!
I saw yesterday a great Uni selling from a trustable member
There is always a risk involved in any internet related purchase...
At eBay you should look for:
- sellers with more than a minimu of 5 feedbacks
- sellers with 100% rating - in case of 99.x% rating, check what was the cause of the negative feedback (sometime's it is not the sellers fault)
- check what other products the seller has been selling
- pictures of the real device, not just standard marketing images
- ask the seller a question and see how long it takes him to respond - avoid sellers who dont respond
- avoid sellers accepting Western Union or similar payment forms
- don't relay totally on PayPAL - it is not that secure
- check shipping costs
- check taxes - specially in case of imports from other economic areas
If nothing is strange so far, nothing fishy, then you can take the risk.
Regarding the Marketplace here at XDA-DEVELOPERS: I have never purchased anything, but would do so from respected members. Check how long they are registered and how many postings they have. No crook would be wasting time with hundreds of posts over years just to sell you a broken Universal...
However, in case things go wrong and if you bought something from someone on the other side of the world, there is nothing much you can do.
That is the price you pay, for getting the device with a discount of aproximatly 50%.
Cheers,
vma
OK - sellers with more than a minimu of 5 feedbacks
OK - sellers with 100% rating - in case of 99.x% rating, check what was the cause of the negative feedback (sometime's it is not the sellers fault)
OK - check what other products the seller has been selling
OK - pictures of the real device, not just standard marketing images
OK - ask the seller a question and see how long it takes him to respond - avoid sellers who dont respond
OK - avoid sellers accepting Western Union or similar payment forms
OK - don't relay totally on PayPAL - it is not that secure
OK - check shipping costs
OK - check taxes - specially in case of imports from other economic areas
So look's pretty good.
I was just asking your opinion .What do you think about him.
Gonna order soon.
So I'm set and ready to pick-up the t3232, however the more I look around the internet, the more I'm unsure who sells the original phone not a clone. I know to look for the Qualcomm processor and 192 MB RAM, yet I'm not sure if I trust some of these stores.
I would appreciate some links, either pm'd or listed in this thread.
Not sure if its permissible to show links here, but this is what I've found thus far. If it's not cool to post links, mods edit this post.
http://www.smggsm.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Phone-Black-GPS.html
http://www.integrontech.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-QuadBand-Touch-Screen-p/htc-touch-3g-b.htm
http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=175214
http://www.atgsm.com/HTC_Touch_3G_T3232_Black_p/ph-htctouch3g.htm
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So I'm set and ready to pick-up the t3232, however the more I look around the internet, the more I'm unsure who sells the original phone not a clone. I know to look for the Qualcomm processor and 192 MB RAM, yet I'm not sure if I trust some of these stores.
I would appreciate some links, either pm'd or listed in this thread.
Not sure if its permissible to show links here, but this is what I've found thus far. If it's not cool to post links, mods edit this post.
http://www.smggsm.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Phone-Black-GPS.html
http://www.integrontech.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-QuadBand-Touch-Screen-p/htc-touch-3g-b.htm
http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=175214
http://www.atgsm.com/HTC_Touch_3G_T3232_Black_p/ph-htctouch3g.htm
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Try going to an authorised dealer. Find out your nearest from htc website. Since the launch of Touch 2, the price of jade would have gone down. Offline shopping is much safer, especially if it's for electronic products.
I purchased mine from Ebay, but have to admit I was panicking a bit about clones!!!! Apart from the normal measures when buying stuff from ebay (100% feeback etc), I made sure the one i purchased was a branded orange phone. Yes, it'll be locked to orange, but for an extra 15 quid, you'll sort that out. Also, Make sure ALL accesories are included & the box is shown on the photo (not a stock photo) so you can see its an orange device. Mine only cost me £150 quid inc delivery.
Hope this helps.
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Try going to an authorised dealer. Find out your nearest from htc website. Since the launch of Touch 2, the price of jade would have gone down. Offline shopping is much safer, especially if it's for electronic products.
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Unfortunately, there are no independent stores close to where I live. I only have the online option.
Any help to locate a new unlocked original/authentic T3232 Jade would be greatly appreciated.
I bought mine here about 1 1/2 months ago. I am happy with the transaction and mine is a genuine HTC.
http://www.selectgsm.com/htc-touch-3g-t3232-unlocked-phone-mobile-phone-pr-16825.html
I also used this coupon code for a $10 USD discount.
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/selectgsm.com
aquaman12 said:
So I'm set and ready to pick-up the t3232, however the more I look around the internet, the more I'm unsure who sells the original phone not a clone. I know to look for the Qualcomm processor and 192 MB RAM, yet I'm not sure if I trust some of these stores.
I would appreciate some links, either pm'd or listed in this thread.
Not sure if its permissible to show links here, but this is what I've found thus far. If it's not cool to post links, mods edit this post.
http://www.smggsm.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Phone-Black-GPS.html
http://www.integrontech.com/HTC-Touch-3G-T3232-Unlocked-QuadBand-Touch-Screen-p/htc-touch-3g-b.htm
http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=175214
http://www.atgsm.com/HTC_Touch_3G_T3232_Black_p/ph-htctouch3g.htm
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Hi , If you still did not get one. I highly recomend to buy from CEX.co.uk
You may have some stores in your local shoping centre, they have grades on phones so find A grade, it means as new with packiging and everything incl. I have my one from there + 12 mnths warranty and you can be sure they dont have clones as those phones coming from Orange (people selling them as unwanted upgrade from Orange). If u get orange one u need to unlock it or just simply use it on Orange. If u need more info: [email protected]
i was wondering if any1 wants to buy the TG01 before i hand it back to orange.
too much time wasted and makeing me nuts
any1 interested?
Thanks in advance
How much with shipping to US? Thanks
How much?
How much are you asking for your phone? i live in cornwall u.k.
How much ar eyou offering? Also it's best to put it on e-bay to avoid fraud complications.
yer, eBay looks good
It would be good if you could put it on eBay, as it would make it a lot easier for anyone to buy it.
Then post a link on here
I'm very interested - i still don't have one...
Why does it have to be ebay? Fraud is just as likely on ebay as it is on a forum. Doing a trade without ebay is much better, no ebay fees, no paypal fees, the price is normally better for the buyer, and less hassle for the seller.
as you see i aint really used it as much, so mint condition
it is also unlocked to all networks
i want £190
sorry for the high price
thanks for the intrest!!!!
Wasnt this phone originally only £150 on orange new payg? Then cost £10 to unlock? Imo, i think you would be better of posting on the marketplace forum, there ppl who havent got tg01 will be unaware of orange price and buy it.
Best of luc
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Wasnt this phone originally only £150 on orange new payg? Then cost £10 to unlock? Imo, i think you would be better of posting on the marketplace forum, there ppl who havent got tg01 will be unaware of orange price and buy it.
Best of luc
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okay £150
is that okay i should i hand it back?
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okay £150
is that okay i should i hand it back?
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it all depends up to u. it depends what mobile phone orange will offer you as a trade in. if it is a good choice like te htc desire or sony ericsson xperia than defo trade in. but, like i mentioned in my previous post, it may be worth putting on offer on the marketplace form. there are many ppl who will be interested i buying a snapdragon phone and even still, some ppl will think £190 is not a bad price.
it up to you good luck
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it all depends up to u. it depends what mobile phone orange will offer you as a trade in. if it is a good choice like te htc desire or sony ericsson xperia than defo trade in. good luck
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you know if they give me htc desire do they offer any money on top or a straight swap?
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you know if they give me htc desire do they offer any money on top or a straight swap?
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tbh, i am not sure. you probably will and to phone up orange and ask. if anything, you night probably have. To pay MOREffor the desire and trade in,,, as the device is very probably and a better device than the TG01 in the general opinion of ppl.
just give orange a ring.
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tbh, i am not sure. you probably will and to phone up orange and ask. if anything, you night probably have. To pay MOREffor the desire and trade in,,, as the device is very probably and a better device than the TG01 in the general opinion of ppl.
just give orange a ring.
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i gave orange a call and they said to me that you cant get another phone. but informed them that i dont want the phone becuase this will be my 3rd TG01. so he said 2 me that he will inform the billing team for more details.
are you aware of anyone receiving another fone instead of the TG01
Thanks
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Wasnt this phone originally only £150 on orange new payg?
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Nah that offer was for a limited number of units and some guys thought smart and bought 20-30 units and are selling them for over 170 pounds each. I'm talking about new ones in their boxes. When I bought mine for 185 the guy had 10 more phones and after a week or so i ordered a second one from the same seller for a friend of mine that saw it and got jealous , and there were 2 last items for sale. They are selling like fresh bread
this guy selling one for £129+7postage on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-TG01-...MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2eacfb3553
item no 200470639955
Shipping to UK & EU countries ONLY
Or this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-TG01-...MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item3cad030624
for £140+5 postage
why don't you make a good price for one of the cooks?
YAAAYY!!! =D
I finally got one - of eBay
It was a good buy actually - £132 + £6.95 P&P
Brand New!!!
Here's the link:
TOSHIBA-TG01-SMARTPHONE-BRAND-NEW-99P-NR
I'm more into graphics designing, so i'll be messing around with the looks when I get it
I just can't wait...
jk2207jk said:
I finally got one - of eBay
It was a good buy actually - £132 + £6.95 P&P
Brand New!!!
Here's the link:
TOSHIBA-TG01-SMARTPHONE-BRAND-NEW-99P-NR
I'm more into graphics designing, so i'll be messing around with the looks when I get it
I just can't wait...
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Very good price and the right choice ! You bought it the right time too, now that we have finally entered the TG01 Rom cooking era at last after one year of nothingness since it first came out. Now there's plenty of stuff to play with, new roms crop up every day
*The seller doesn't have much of a score in pos. feedback though, i hope he doesn't give you a headache
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*The seller doesn't have much of a score in pos. feedback though, i hope he doesn't give you a headache
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I looked at the feedback too, it's just a couple buyers that wanted the phone to be posted abroad, or something...I hope it's ok...
I'll try Nokser's rom when i get it..hopefully today or tomorrow
if you phone orange with your tg01, you will just get another tg01, i have tried for a week to get a new handset and i have had 3 tg01's. orange are not replacing them with the hero/desire/xperia or anything
just sell it for £130 and be happy
I am really big fan of HTC HD2, but I still get tired with my old Omnia i900. Yesterday searching the Internet I found HD2 in very strange price - 567 PLN (about 185 USD). And my question is: should I try and buy this one or look for any more expensive? Should I trust this seller?
As device is 4yrs old that price is possible for old stock, I buy them around 90USD for 100% working clean examples with void stickers still present ...
Hm... I forgot to write it's completely new. So it is really, really strange.
I can buy new old stock for about same here in Thailand, seems about right to me. At HD2s age you get no HTC warranty & it is old hat hardware by today's standard, they need clear them & HD2 demand is not so high these days so prices have fallen.
So do you think I should buy this one?
No idea as not seen the retailers details, if has some form of buyer protection & return policy then might be worth it as buying used HD2's is only good if can be hands on with device prior to purchase as eBay etc are full of the sh1te used devices.
I sure would not want spend more on a new old stock 4yr old handset with known digitiser & bga failings.
JJKPL said:
So do you think I should buy this one?
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I am not recommended you to buy this. Because i think it also old. You did not get same version from old version...
You'll try to buy an used item on ebay.. it's an old funny phone.. but I bought a Nexus 4 for that price!
great post
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I am really big fan of HTC HD2, but I still get tired with my old Omnia i900. Yesterday searching the Internet I found HD2 in very strange price - 567 PLN (about 185 USD). And my question is: should I try and buy this one or look for any more expensive? Should I trust this seller?
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i am wondering anybody is still using this device today
I have still 2 HTC HD2 at home.
At the one the screen is broken and in the other the mainboard seems to have a problem.
Actually i wanted to join them. But since i have a Moto G, the HD2 is nearly completly out of my Head.
But i had really nice 4 years with this device.
Do you really want to spend this much money on such a old device?
I don't know. I would really recommend you not to do that.
If you are a dev, then it is maybe ok, but as a simple user...?
I think the times are nearly over or not? But if your money is falling out of your pocket
As i said did not follow HD2 since 5 months. I would reccomend you to buy a Brand new Moto G.
Google converted middel class Hardware phones to low class price phones. Excellent!
looks like a used phone to me.