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This really seems like a neato computer, but I have some questions that need to be answered before I buy one:
1. Can I play Counter-strike 1.6/Condition Zero on it? What about Unreal Tournament 2004? What frame rates can I expect?
2. How responsive is the touch pad? I tried the touch pad on another laptop in a local store and it had very annoying input lag.
3. Do you think that 384 kbps would be enough to play CS 1.6 and UT2K4 online? I'm not completely sure if I can get my providers Turbo 3G service on to my sim card. Also, Shift only supports 3.6 and not 7.2 mbit right? Will a 7.2 mbit sim card work in it anyway?
4. Do you think it'd support my Trekstor DVB-T USB stick? The minimum requirement is for it is 800 mhz and DirectX 9 and I really don't like being right on the minimum. I'm guessing that I'm not going to get 800x480 fullscreen tv on it?
5. How good is it with movies and recorded TV shows? Avi, divx, mpeg, wmv etc, can it handle standard definition in full screen? Some quick examples would be avi at 576x320 and wmv at 640x480.
6. Is there any chance I could get a photo of the interpolated 1024x600 side-by-side with a photo of the native 800x480?
Thanks in advance
Do not count on a extreme gaming experience on the shift.
Counterstrike 1.6 might work, with low settings and WindowsXP installed.
Like Quake3 arena plays like a charm
MY cynergy XS USB DVB stick show full screen shows at perfect speed.
Computer is monotask during playing, using anything else will slow thinks to a crawl. But I watch TV shows on widescreen everyday. Main difficulty is to get the antenna to work...
For movies, you can play any size using coreplayer.
Unreal turnament can be palyed also with a reasonable frame rate. You will have to play on low resolution, and will have occasional lags. I suggest you look for another device for intense gaming.
I'm not looking for an extreme gaming experience on a device like this, just something besides surfing the Internet and watching videos, because I can do that just fine with my cellphone.
Was that Quake III Arena video real-time rendered on the Shift or was that just a video? I'm very suspicious because I don't see anything plugged in to the usb port and I don't see him using the touch pad.
Hasn't anyone tried playing CS 1.6/CZ? I don't think they'd be too demanding for the Shift with an 800 mhz processor as the recommended spec. Maybe even Counter-Strike: Source at the lowest settings? It has an 800 mhz minimum.
@thaihugo: The "using anything else" part makes me a bit worried since I'd like to use a card reader as well for the encrypted channels, because here in Sweden we only have one decent free tv channel. That's better than nothing I guess.
You mean UT2K4 right? I didn't see screenshots of it until today and I didn't realise that it had relatively good graphics since I assumed that it had far more primitive graphics than UT3. Definitely worth a try then. I just hope that you didn't mean UT99
Right now what I'm the most curious about is if I can play Counter-strike 1.6/CZ/Source on it, and how responsive the touch pad is. How noticeable is the delay on the touch pad? I don't expect it to be good enough for a twitch shooter but it'd be nice if it's quick and precise enough for surfing without using the touch screen to click on everything.
Shift is not that powerfull
if you are interested in gaming the everun note may be a choice for you. www.umpcportal.com has tested it a few days ago. But it has probably a less responsive touchscreen.
So here's my story:
I recently bought Samsung Omnia on which I did extensive tests on video playback
with CorePlayer 1.2.5 and TCPMP and with various video formats such as:
H264 Baseline 3 480x272 (originally encoded for playback in iPod Touch)
Various XviD encoded videos with resolutions varying from 640x360 to 720x400
Using DirectDraw as video output in both CorePlayer and TCPMP
the result was awful, dropped frames, awful motion and distorted colors.
However since the Omnia has the fastest CPU I know in WM Device so far,
the Marvell PXA312, 624MHz with IntelXScale acceleration,
the CorePlayer and TCPMP gives this as an option for video output the IntelXScale acceleration.
So when using this setting the video playback of any type of encoding was absolutely beautiful.
Colors were correct, performance was amazing (even in double playback speed) it was in general as smooth as it gets.
For a powerfull (hardware-wise) device such as omnia, I was very disappointed
in the resolution of the screen (240x400 - wqvga) and its size 2.8".
For this kind of device which has literally everything one would expect it
to have same screen size and resolution as the touch hd.
I rushed to buy this device I must admit and so I sold it to a friend after experimenting with it for one week.
The reason that I gave away so fast the Omnia was simply the Blackstone.
Since I am kind of perfectionist as far as it concerns screen resolutions, the touch hd is no match with any other phone/ppc device out there.
So here comes the real concern, how is the performance on video playback on the blackstone?
For a multimedia device like this one would expect that the performance
would be excellent (much like the omnia or even better if it can).
But what concerns me is the Qualcomm cpu at 528Mhz which as far as I can tell
doesn't have IntelXScale acceleration (plz correct me if i'm wrong on this)
So if it uses only DirectDraw and the results are crappy, then this would be such a turn off.
Can this CPU give a smooth video playback performance on a 640x360 XviD avi video
with "Smooth zoom: ON" and "Zoom: Fill Screen" settings on either CorePlayer or TCPMP?
And keep in mind that we are talking about realtime upsizing of the video to 800x480
which IMHO requires quite a lot of cpu power for such device.
Because really I am not willing to spend 700 euro on a multimedia phone
that can't actually perform well on multimedia.
I'd love to hear someone that has it and tested it on that matter.
Thanks for reading!
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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More like SE said to HTC "We want an awesome phone, but we don't want you to tell us what's in it, and we'll just make Magnus make up stuff as we go, also we suck at marketing."
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
Thats sux
I hope Touch HD has better driver ... because the hardware is the same.
Quite a downer ...
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
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If that is the case, then I dont understand it. I mean why HTC would go through all this trouble to have an extra graphics chip in their devices when no other than their own app could ever use? So they put a graphic chip with 3d capabilities and video acceleration for just their own apps like touchflo 3d ?
Isn't it just stupid?
Yes, that would be stupid. Fortunately though, there is quite some talk about the HD having an optimized chipset compared to the Diamond, even though this does not include the processor. It is already evident by the many movies that the device performs faster than the diamond even with the same processor, so I doubt you'd have exactly the same performance issues as with the diamond. Though there is only one way to be sure: wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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.......... wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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iPhone died, blackstone killed it
Blackstone is a killer... Woohoo.. We have to send it to prison!!.. I think I might have a good prison here at my home so my blackstone, come for punishment *roarr* lol
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Hi, if I buy the current coreplayer-version from them, do I get a free update when the 1.3.0 will arrive? Or should I wait until it comes out? This would be the most important application for me on the Touch HD.. Greez, cad^^
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Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Fingers crossed!
They should just forget the iPhone, ppl will be finding out about blackstone and they will be throwing their iPhone from the window xD
I guess no problem with playing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9lLAVidgA&fmt=18
Thanks to johnkorver who own the device, create the video review, and upload it to youtube.
looks promising even though we don't have any other info on the video file except the codec used (xvid).. anyway upscaling works nice and that says much..
one more video playback demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4
I have tested youtube on several x1 Roms and i am extremely annoyed with how pathetic the situation is. The only way to play the videos at full framerate is to drop the quality to "fast download". Otherwise its just too choppy
Roms with new ati drivers are a bit better but are still slower than my 3year old overclocked wizard.
Will thc/se/qualcomm ever fix their "drivers"
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I have tested youtube on several x1 Roms and i am extremely annoyed with how pathetic the situation is. The only way to play the videos at full framerate is to drop the quality to "fast download". Otherwise its just too choppy
Roms with new ati drivers are a bit better but are still slower than my 3year old overclocked wizard.
Will thc/se/qualcomm ever fix their "drivers"
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Can you say what ati drivers did you upadated and where did you get them?
EDGE or HSDPA ??
The internet speed difference is brutal...
You gotta compare the resolution between the two. The Xperia has much more pixel to render. So yeah if we put a QVGA LCD on the Xperia things will be fast as hell.
Anyway I can still watch Youtube videos smoothly with the high quality chosen without any problem.
for updated drivers i used jockeys rom 1.08
for both devices i used wifi and the demo version of core player and htc's youtube player
the x1 has 5x the resolution but the videos are only slightly higher than qvga for the standard video
nktpro, what Rom are you using (i want to test it)can you test this video: just search "gears of war mad world" you will get 1 minute that plays perfectly on my overclocked wizard but not on X1. thw x1 pic quality is *slightly* better due to its screen. overall the experiance is still better on the wizard due to the full frame rate
I watched the gears of war trailer and it run smooth on my x1, no lag at all. I thinki the internet connection might be your problem.
youtube by wifi is working fine. but use the htc youtube player NOT core player.
the core player is a very good program, but not the includet youtube browser.
the video quality is very poor. the same movies with htc youtube player, with high quali option set, is much better. its different like qvga to vga. and the picture is much clearer at all.
Use HTC youtube player. I watch youtube HD videos in full screen with max frame rate. No lags/slow downs whats so ever. Core player sucks at playing youtube videos.
i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps
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i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps
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Also using HTC YouTube player on original french rom, no issue! it works so well ! I am really surprised when I see the number of complaints/concerns in the fourm ! I cannot believe them, My X1 is so perfect & no issue ! sometimes (not here), it fills trolls sender (ok, i am closing my out of subject...)
Louis
fatso485 said:
i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps
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Nothing. Im running stock ROM. and all those tweaks and ati driver didnt improve the video playback at all btw, so i went back to default settings and tweaks. "If its not broken, dont fix it!"
Well, I have evidence that the phone slowdown the CPU or the GPU or both when the power is only the battery. You can try it...
Download the 480p Avatar Trailer: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NORWI55K
Open the video with Coreplayer. You'll see that there're lag.
Now Plug-in the phone to the charger and Open the video again with Coreplayer. The Video plays smoothly without lag.
How we can make that the phone don't slowdown???
I'll wait your opinions.
Cheers!
Strictly no difference here.
It lags just a little in high motion, but it's actually pretty good given the format. And great quality.
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Strictly no difference here.
It lags just a little in high motion, but it's actually pretty good given the format. And great quality.
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First of all, you must see the video in full screen.
Look at time 00:38 seconds when the head of the robot closes. With battery there´s a lot of lag, but when you plug-in to the charger is really smooth and no lag.
Cheers!
Nope, smooth both with and without for me.
ok, what rom/radio do you use?
Anyone more test it?
Maybe you're using some sort of old stock rom that for some ungodly reason has this "feature" enabled?
Artemis 3.7
Anyone more test it?
wtf is .mov format?
i have laggy to...
but i think its format problem
ilijan said:
wtf is .mov format?
i have laggy to...
but i think its format problem
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Coreplayer can play it.
Try it with your phone plug with the charger and tell me if lag go out and video plays smoothly.
Cheers.
Hi guys,i have a weird problem,when i play back 1080 video on my pc its jerky,but all other modes play back smooth any suggestions please ?i have the new camera firmware update,rooted,with latest firmware stock rom.thx
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Hi guys,i have a weird problem,when i play back 1080 video on my pc its jerky,but all other modes play back smooth any suggestions please ?i have the new camera firmware update,rooted,with latest firmware stock rom.thx
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So you recorded 1080p video on your SGS2, and it won't play properly on your PC?
Sounds like your PC is too slow, or it's not hardware decoding. Try Media Player Classic or KMPlayer if you're on Windows.
Ok ill try that.thx
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Even vlc player not working.will try the above suggestion still.
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So you recorded 1080p video on your SGS2, and it won't play properly on your PC?
Sounds like your PC is too slow, or it's not hardware decoding. Try Media Player Classic or KMPlayer if you're on Windows.
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LOL, yeah, this should go in the PC section, not SGSII section.
To OP: Try updating your codecs too, other than that... get a new computer!
I had the same problem with my sony vaio FW31J. Should be good enough to play it, but it was jerky and images stopped sometime.
I have no idea why but it would only do this when my laptop wasn't plugged in.
When I was on battery it had the problem. And no I did not have any energysaving module on.
installed these codecs:
http://www.cccp-project.net/
the right click on file and choose open with, choose media player classic, if this isnt very smooth then get back to us.
What generation of gfx card do you have, gerforce, ati, 5,6,7, 280,460 etc
Google CCCP to get Media player classic (for your PC) and make sure you get DXVA enabled. Every Windows versions has a slightly different setup, and only about 2 year and younger video cards (AMD/Nvidia)can take advantage of DXVA. Can someone say if any integrated Intel video chipsets can do DXVA?
LOL at mobile phone being faster than computer
Lol i actually have an m15x.the computer im using is an old athlon.ill try on my own i think.
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As much as people think it might be a pc issue I experience the same thing on my i5 750 @3.9GHz. Op I think it is due to 1080p video recording not being as many fps and smooth as 720p. I've watched other peoples recorded 1080p as well and it's the sam whn the phone camera is panning. Some people may not notice it as much or choose to ignore it but I just use 720p for now. Maybe with some overclocking it can push out a steady 30 fps 1080p.
What are the specs of your computer? I've played plenty of 1080p videos from my phone on my comp without issue.
Like mark 2222 says plenty of power its actualy a p4 2.9, with 2gig ram.old but should suffice.720 plays back smooth
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Like mark 2222 says plenty of power its actualy a p4 2.9, with 2gig ram.old but should suffice.720 plays back smooth
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P4 2.9GHz is obviously not enough if you can't play it back. I've tried dual Xenon 2.4GHz (about 8 years old) and it had problem playing back 720p content so don't expect your 2.9GHz to play back 1080p. Buy a new graphics card, or a new computer, or don't try to play 1080p content.
It's often not the processor that's the issue. We can see that the SGS2's and Tegra 2 processors are fine, but much slower than an i5.
The problem is often the graphics card. Don't blame the processor or the phone until you're sure you're using your graphics card to render the videos, not the processor! That's what they're for! It also needs to be capable of hardware decoding 1080p.
1080x1920 = ~2 million pixels
720x1280 = ~1 million pixels
1080p has more than double the number of pixels as 720p. It's a big step up!
lets just be clear here, this is NOT a pc spec issue, I can play hd movies on my 6 year old laptop which has a crappy celeron cpu onboard and an ati radeon 7000, this is a codec issue or something to do with the way the video is recorded. I will do some tests on my rig and report back.
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Like mark 2222 says plenty of power its actualy a p4 2.9, with 2gig ram.old but should suffice.720 plays back smooth
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Haha, no way. That is not powerful enough. I had a P4 3.2 and also a graphics card that had hardware acceleration of 1080p wmv files.
When playing back normal 1080p video files (xvid), the framerate was low at about 5 fps. When playing 1080p wmv files, the hardware acceleration from the GPU got it up to the 30 fps rate of the video file.
That's also the reason why the I9100 can play back 1080p with no issues. The Exynos chipset has hardware acceleration of the scaling of 1080p to the screen resolution. Tegra2 on the other hand does not have this, so it struggles with 1080p videos.
That's more than powerful enough. I played back 1080p AVC video perfectly on an old media box running a craptacular P4 @ 2.4GHz or somewhere there.
Your graphics card needs to be able to decode it, also try another decoder/codec pack meant for HD video. CCCP is ok, I swear by CoreAVC. It's not free, but you can find 'free' copies floating around google, try and buy. It's worth it if you're on a crappy computer and don't want to upgrade your hardware.
I've tried playback of 1080p video from the phone and it's fine. Buttery smooth. Most likely a problem with your computer then.
Is the file copied from the phone to the pc or are you trying to run it from the phone attached as mass storage? Could be the usb port being slow to transfer if this is the case. Maybe try downloading a test MP4 from the web and see if it is ok?
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Haha, no way. That is not powerful enough. I had a P4 3.2 and also a graphics card that had hardware acceleration of 1080p wmv files.
When playing back normal 1080p video files (xvid), the framerate was low at about 5 fps. When playing 1080p wmv files, the hardware acceleration from the GPU got it up to the 30 fps rate of the video file.
That's also the reason why the I9100 can play back 1080p with no issues. The Exynos chipset has hardware acceleration of the scaling of 1080p to the screen resolution. Tegra2 on the other hand does not have this, so it struggles with 1080p videos.
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rubbish, a pc of that spec will tear it to bits with the correct codecs, my ageing P4 with onboard intel graphics runs it smooth at work, like i said this is not PC spec issue, I suspect we are not being given all the relevant info here from the OP, we are missing some vital information which will ultimately turn out to be the cause.