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Best video encoder settings?

I've searched but came up blank. Does anyone have an optimal setting to rip video for playback on the Advantage? I've tried a few settings and some didn't work at all, some playback with a stutter. I thought I'd see if anyone here has discovered a best setting.
I'm trying to play them back on pocket player or tcmp.

I'm using CorePlayer (it appears that it's actually using the ATI Imageon for hardware video acceleration) and am getting great results (smooth playback, almost no frames dropped) with H.264 at 25 or 29 FPS with 320x240 resolution, but TCPMP seems to play the files well too.

as most people here, i use Core player or TCPMP, depeniding on the ROM i'm using at the time.
But most common one i use is coreplayer 1.21.
DivX or Xvid encoding at between 600 & 750 kbps for the video, 128kbps aac or MP3 for the sound.
-0.200 delay on the audio in coreplayer/TCPMP and they are as smooth as butter.
Pisses the ipod touch owners at work off something rotten when they see the video on my athena!!

I use Pocket DVD for PPC & Palm at these settings:
Audio: 24 kbps, 22 KHz, Mono
Video: 512 kbps, 24 fps, 464X288
Never had any problem in any of my devices.
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hey cktlcmd,
using mono audio would really lose the 3d effect on movies, which imho is what most people want/expect nowadays. this is really a big plus on action movies.
anyway, just a thought.
ciao!

Hopefully just to add to this thread's question. At this point which one is preferred....Coreplayer (newer version) or TCPMP .7 or .8?

Kenjari said:
Hopefully just to add to this thread's question. At this point which one is preferred....Coreplayer (newer version) or TCPMP .7 or .8?
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For me, anytime it is coreplayer now. It lets you search and play youtube in very high quality without lag. Not to mention that it is also visually a lot more appealing.

Thanks for the reply eaglesteve. So why are there so many die hard TCPMP fans (I myself up until now)? Are there any advantages "at this point" that TCPMP have over its successor Core?

Kenjari said:
Thanks for the reply eaglesteve. So why are there so many die hard TCPMP fans (I myself up until now)? Are there any advantages "at this point" that TCPMP have over its successor Core?
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May be because one is free and the other is not.

Makes since. I guess when I became a fan, it was when Core was just released. Folks over at the Aximsite.com at the time explained that there were advantages that TCPMP had because it was still beta, "free", was able to add plugins, things that I was told Core didnt have on its first lauch.
I guess I never kept up with the improvement over the time.
BTW....thanks for your input. Last night I purchased Core....I'm excited to use later today. Would it be wise to get the Core Pro for desktop? I have been using the DVD Decrypt and AutoGK for my video conversions.

Slow video playback?

Hey all.
So the HTC Touch Diamond has a VGA screen. How can I get it to play VGA quality videos? or is this not possible? I would of thought it would be with its own graphics processor and decent cpu. I have tried .mp4 at 512kbits 640x480, but struggle more than 7 or 8 fps. It works good enough at half the resolution, but is still dropping some frames. Not as good at video playback as some reviews would have me believe.
I am using TCPMP , which has been modified to work with Windows Mobile 6.1
Many thanks.
Gary.

Well, I have played some movies that have higher resolution than 640x480 with -very- smooth framerates in CorePlayer (easily over 20 fps).
Specifically: HellBoy Sword of Storms, Eagle vs. Shark.
No problems at all.
HTC Touch Pro.

Yep, i have high res files playing in coreplayer as well (touch pro). coreplayer doesnt fully support diamond (or touch pro) so it can only get better in the future

Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.

coreplayer works fine for me in vids much higher than the screen res, you must be doing something wrong or that "hack" to make the player work in 6.1 really isn't a good idea

Ok, thanks for all your replies. What format are you using to get decent fps with Coreplayer, and what bit rate normally?
Its a shame coreplayer do not have a trial version, so I want to be pretty certain first that it will work.
TCPMP hasnt been developed for a few years i dont think so that might also not help.

Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?

captanbirdseye said:
Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?
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24fps!?
That's supposed to be quite good (100% for most movie rips).

Using Coreplayer, VGA .avi videos play very smoothly on my diamond as long as I'm not using A2DP. Once I pop on my Jabra BT8010, the high res vids start to skip a little. I hope Coreplayer fixes that up soon!

Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary

After some tweaking around with the bitpool and some searching, I've gotten the A2DP performance hit down to a minimum.
Bitpool: 58
Maximum Bitpool: 80
That seems to reduce the stuttering when playing VGA vids using coreplayer. They still stutter a little during some demanding action scenes when using A2DP, but the stutter is much better and the audio and video are in sync.
Once Coreplayer is optimized for the Diamond, this thing is going to scream!
Overall, I'm pretty impressed with this little phone.

Mr.Sir said:
Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.
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What version include this ?? or is just for a future version ??
And what is the GPU that comes with diamond ?? that "ati Imageon" ??
TY

So there are no video apps that are currently programmed to use HTC Touch Diamonds fancy bits? like the graphics processor etc?

use the divx labs divx player!!! lol

captanbirdseye said:
Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary
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OK, I did what you said and I ran the video in Coreplayer benchmark mode. The best I could get was 70%. Perhaps it's the h264 format that is so demanding?
The more I use the Diamond the more I get dissapointed.

Hi, I'm having the same problem on my Touch Pro (i'd post in the TP forums, but no app/software category there), however I don't have Core Player because I won't pay for something if I can't see if it works first.
My question though is: Are there any similar movie file players like Core Player that are free?
(sorry if this was a bit off-topic, and I've tried searching but did not find anything useful)

If I see correct, madagascar is h.264 coded. It's a codec that is used to prepare hd video(b-r,hd-dvd etc.). It needs a powerfull processor or a hardware acceleration from graphic card. Some of new computers have problem with decoding it (i.e. with embaded video chip) and you're trying to play it on diamond. The 70% you're getting is a great score.

I have Coreplayer v 1.1.0 Build 1408
I get some lag for my music videos I have on my phone.
File Size: 78,924KB
Video Size: 640 * 480
Frame Rate: 29.970
is there a reason why it's laggy?

Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.

daveloft said:
Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.
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Just updated and still has the same problem, maybe it's the file that is the issue.

[APP] DIVX for WM

Thought id post this for those who are looking for a divx player.
http://labs.divx.com/node/6211

CorePlayer still works faster on the Diamond.

How fast?
can i simply drop a regular ~700mb xvid/divx movie on the internal storage and play it in full screen(with dithering and smooth zooming enabled) without lag or frame dropping?
just wondering since i'm probably buying the diamond, and this could really be a deal breaker.

leonatan25 said:
CorePlayer still works faster on the Diamond.
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My friend I think you didn't try watching divx on Diamond...We can't watch divx even with core player. But this is possible on Omnia. So we are watching other programs ore codecs...

sorry but, have no problems watching dvix 700mb files on my diamond witch coreplayer

Doritoch said:
My friend I think you didn't try watching divx on Diamond...We can't watch divx even with core player. But this is possible on Omnia. So we are watching other programs ore codecs...
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I'm sorry, but I have no problem watching 640x272 files on my Diamond with CP.

I have 2 diamonds and for a few days the omnia i900. I think nobody can see a full 700Mb movie on Diamond, without cuts. But on omnia is no problem at all. Omnia is much much faster than Diamond. I was thinking to buy one, but i will wait for the 480x800 version.

katerini said:
I have 2 diamonds and for a few days the omnia i900. I think nobody can see a full 700Mb movie on Diamond, without cuts. But on omnia is no problem at all. Omnia is much much faster than Diamond. I was thinking to buy one, but i will wait for the 480x800 version.
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Omnia resolution screen is just 240 x 400 pixels
Diamond is real vga - 640 x 480 ...
so Omnia has less resolution with faster CPU ...
as result, u have BIG cut in the resolution with the Omnia..

Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)

I downloaded DivX player from divx labs and installed it.
After that, I started downloading movies from the following site:
http://moviesmobile.net/
and now, I have aproximatly 10 movies installed on my phone, that I can watch with rather good quality, (not crisp)
So I think it's very well doable, but you shouldn't try to cram a 700 mb movie trough there.
also, I used core player once and it starts showing some weird deformations when I run a 700 mb movie on my diamond
The speed stays nice and stable, but the movie itself looks like crap.
Hope this helps

Err, that site only has 320xXXX resolution, awful lol.

"700MB divx" don't mean anything.
You have to look the bitrate of the video. The diamond with the last Core Player can handle videos (almost perfectly) with a bitrate <~ 550 (and a resolution under the 640x)

No problems with video at all. Make sure to tailor your videos to the Diamonds resolution, I use DVD Catalyst to switch up resolution, then DL to my phone. Typical 1 1/2 hour movie is around 550 to 650MB, I use size to denote quality although even a 550MB movie looks awesome on my Diamond.
Mind you, this is using the new Telus ROM
Whatever Telus did with the ROM upgrade, it turbocharged my media capabilities

by 700 mb I ment all comon .avi files cam,TS,DVDrips and so on you can find. Had no problem whatsoever.

Videos with a higher bitrate than 600~700 will have frame drop on the diamond.
Its hard to see them, especially if the movie don't have many actions scenes.
With a movie ~90mn/700MB, you have generally a ~800KBp, so no problem really, some frame drop, but it seem perfect.
But if you try a ~20mn/400MB or ~40mn/700MB (midle quality TV Show for example), the bitrate is most higher than 1000KBp and the video its almost unviewable...

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Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)
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http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp

I`m watching 700MB movies whitout problems, is very important what program was used when the movie was processed, there are some that hang some time. I watched movies that had 1500kb bitrate without problems, and the quality is great. Try the CorePlayer 1.3 is the best. I will always choose my Diamond over an Omnia .

yeye2 said:
Diamond is not for Multimedia. Is one of the slowest mobile that I`ve been testing so far. The only thing that can chage this is the release of Ati video Drivers from HTC and a new O.S (maybe windows mobile 6.5?). Until that, I recomend you to buy another phone with better multimedia support (iphone or nokia)
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I didn't know that HTC Diamond got an ATI chipset
Maybe it has a HD4850

blacriderv said:
I didn't know that HTC Diamond got an ATI chipset
Maybe it has a HD4850
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well the Diamond uses a Qualcomm cpu which has a embeded ATI Imageon. Programs like coremedia player uses this to improve the performance, but windows mobile comes without drivers. So bassically your diamond is running windows mobile like a failsafe version of windows xp.
check this link http://www.mobilewave.ro/news/Performanta-grafica-a-lui-HTC-Diamond-Touch-Pro-259.html, there are a few videos about the bad Diamond´s graphic perfomance. Devices with one, two or even 3 years have better perfomance than diamond
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thats very funny , a synthetic benchmark is very helpfull to see the true potencial of the device, but that doesn´t meen that you are using all of this power in a daily use. Just one example, try to play a video (H.264 at VGA (640×480) resolutions at 30 frames per second) in a diamond and then try a nokia n96. The nokia device plays the video smooth and without lag, the diamond video is laggy with frame lost, but ehy! you can run the benchmark on the diamond to feel better afther that.
htc performance post.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391

Video playback on LG KS20 (coreplayer or tcpmp)

Hey guys,
yesterday I got my LG KS20 and flashed the KisS ROM on it but I am experiencing problems with my videos.
In TCPMP I get about 40% benchmark result and in coreplayer I get about 80% with Audio enabled and 110% with audio disabled. The audio codec is LAME MP3 and the resolution is 640x480 at 600kbs bitrate.
On my previous HTC it worked great...
another thing is TCPMP telling me my clockspeed is about 250-380Mhz (battery-A/C). What's about that? oO
Thanks in advance.

Try with the Raw Buffer setting...

I did, I am trying to play around with different bitrates, resolution and stuff. 480x320 works fine but is too low imo.

No HW video acceleration on LG KS20
There is no hw video acceleration on the LG KS20, and as on all the Qualcomm devices the video drivers are lame. This is a well know problem of all devices based on the Qualcomm chipsets ; even recent HTC HD or Sony Xperia suffer from poor video performance problems.
Moreover, if you search this forum and corecodec one, you will find that the QTV video acceleration available on HTCs with the same Qualcomm MSM7200 is not enabled on the KS20. It will nevertheless work if you downsize the movies to 320x200.

And is it possible to enable the QTV somehow? With drivers? I mean, it's the same chipset isnt it??
What settings would you recommend? How high can I put the bitrate for example? And how high the resolution?

I never found a way to enable QTV with any ROM. As for downsizing, I was using PocketDivxEncoder with a resolution of 320x200 and a bitrate of approx. 300 (I do not remember well since I have an Omnia for several months now and I do no more have to downsize movies...). This provided good results, but downsizing was quite painful since it tooks time.

divx, avi, mpeg4, flash?

avi with mp4/divx/xvid is OK

Video recording framerate

Is the HD capable of 30fps or not?
I recorded some videos using CIF resolution (both mpeg4 and h.263 format), then transferred them to the PC and used VLC to play them and see "Media information" for them.
- for some of them a framerate of 5 (!) is reported
- for some other a framerate of 15 is reported
No 30fps anywhere! And there is no setting to adjust framerate in the options. Am I missing something here?
Is maybe the framerate not constant for these types of formats? Maybe depends on the lighting conditions? Even so, the 15fps videos were recorded in broad daylight on a sunny day! How much more light do you need?
What's the deal?

MSM 7201A cpu have the ability removed in hardware because of a patent lawsuit
by broadcom software can't solve the issue MSM 7200a support the feature though

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7200a support the feature though
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So chipsets with "a" in the ending have this feature removed? Are there any Blackstones with the "normal" version of this chipset?

not a but the ones ending with 1
don't know for sure looked at wiki and it said the blackstone had 7201
as cpu which is the version where the capture was removed
7200a in x1i the international version should include the feature
but the x1a usa version got the 7201A which don't
but even with 30fps it's pretty crap imho compared to real cameras with CCD chips
unlike the cmos chips of mobile phones
much like the eternal mpixel confusement race it's more hype then real quality

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MSM 7201A cpu have the ability removed in hardware because of a patent lawsuit
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What "ability" do you mean? 30fps ability?
And if so, then what is the ability we' re left off with? 15fps? That the maximum?
Also would someone know why other videos are 5 fps and other 15 fps?