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Hey,
just upgraded my MDA Vario to the MDA Vario II (my third HTC phone in less than 18 months, these things are addictive) and wanted to share my thoughts for people who might be thnking of doing the same. To a lot of people there doesn't seem much more to shout about between the two but I believe the upgrade is well worth it.
Form Factor, Appearance and Build Quality:
- The Vario II (from here on referred to as as VII) is slightly longer but also marginally thinner than the VI, the difference is only small but to me the reduction in thickness is certainly welcome. The shape of the VII is very similar to the Magician, less rounded compared to the VI and flatter.
- In terms of build quality the VII is far superior, it feels much more solid especially when the keyboard is concealed (you cannot tell that there is one, feels like one continuous unit). The buttons all have a nice tactile feel to them and the jog wheel is very solid.
- Appearance is obviously a subjective matter but in my opinion the VII looks far nicer, especially the dark metallic red keyboard. It has a much more professional look to it, rather than the plasticy VI.
==> The VII takes this round hands down, it's thinner, better looking and more solid feeling with great build quality.
Ease of Use:
- The VII has more buttons than the VI which is a welcome addition for me. I used to map the top buttons (Messaging and IE) to the Start Menu and OK, there are now dedicated buttons below the soft keys. I used to find that I accidently would hit the camera button, so far have not pressed any button by accident on my VII.
- The scroll wheel wasn't a feature I was to bothered about until I used it and have got to say that it makes one handed operation even easier, especially considering there is a second OK button below the wheel which cleverly acts as the Start Menu button when on the today screen meaning you can launch programs using just your thumb. It also allows you to scroll through documents easily although for making large jumps it is a pain. I would mention the equivelent on the VI but that would be the volume slider which was the tackiest part of that phone.
- Another small but overdue feature is the new layout of the number on the keyboard, they are now arranged in a standard numerical block. This feature really comes into its own when dialing a phone number as you now no longer need to double click circle to access the numbers, when your in phone mode you just use the keys and it automatically recognizes that it should use the numbers instead of the letters (this works with SmartDialer and without).
- Keyboard shortcuts have considerably improved, you can now launch File Manager, turn on WiFi and use PgUp/PgDn using the keyboard. There is also a new input method, Symbol Pad which has common and unusual characters in a list (this can be launched directly from the keyboard).
- The stylus is almost identical to that of the VI, although it is very stiff in the VII.
==> Again the VII has some great improvements, some minor but they all add up to make a more satisfying experience using the VII.
Communication:
- Data transfer is the big change between the two devices, the VI has GPRS/EDGE compared to the VII which supports HSDPA. With the VI I only had 6Mb allowance per month and so my general usage was kept to a minimum (MSN, vgsmail and occasional web browsing) and for this purpose GPRS was generally acceptable. Not trying to sound cheesy but HSDPA is going to completly change the way I use my phone, browsing is now almost instaneous even with pictures set to download and I no longer have to worry about how much data I use. Some people mention that although download speeds are impressive there is a lag between loading pages, I have not found this to be the case. I was browsing xda-developers on my phone today and I wouldn't say there was a noticable difference between browsing on my phone and my laptop (4Mbits/s Cable). I did a speedtest on http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ and it rated at 1.2Mbits/s (I'm in Leeds)
- Speech quality, without doing professional tests is subjective but in my opinion has improved with the VII as has reception.
==> This is where you'll notice the biggest difference, I don't think it's an overstatement to say that the VII will drastically change the way you use your phone.
NB: The phone came with HSDPA enabled in software but I had to phone customer services (150 from your phone then options 2 => 6, they have to get through the tech department but don't think there's a direct number)
Hardware:
- You can definitly tell that there is a more powerful processor in the VII, menus load without lag and programs load faster. There is a known issue at the moment which affects video playback (search on the forums) but this would be my only grumble with speed. Overall it is far more responsive than the VI (I always had the latest ROM and not one of them matches the VII in responsiveness).
- The one issue the VII has with speed is the length of time it takes to come out of sleep, there is a gud second lag which can get irritating if you just whipped your phone out to check for mesages.
- The camera has received a much needed upgrade as has the camera software. There does seem to be a noticable difference in quality but I don't use it much so won't comment on differences although it is clear that the VII has a better camera than the VI. One thing the VII has which at first I thought was its most pointless feature has actually turned out to be great, on the main camera theres a little macro slider (lets you focus on close-up objects) and it really works. It is excellent for taking photos of documents or writing and you can actually read the text easily from the photo. There is also a second camera on the front for video calling but I don't know anyone who has video calling so cant test it.
- Yet another memory format yet another damn card to buy, the good news is I can't feasably see how a memory format can get smaller then MicroSD without running the risk of it absorbing into your skin so hopefully this one will be around to stay for a little while longer than MiniSD. Have not yet bought a MicroSD card so cannot comment on any performance differences.
- I'm hoping that the battery life on my phone is still being misread as I have only charged it once now but if not then it is awful. I left the house this morning at 9 with a fully charged battery, as I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it I used it constantly until 2pm (webbrowsing, live messenger, no calls, 2 texts, imap idle) and the battery was down to 10%!!!! Another known issue at the moment is that the battery level goes down in 10% blocks, apparently a lot of early ROMs for HTC have this issue and it then gets corrected so fingers crossed. Something else to note is that the VII battery capacity is 100mAh higher (1350mWh vs. 1250mAh).
Update on battery life, it has indeed improved but not as much as I had hoped. My VI is still sitting in my draw, turned on waiting for messages and with no exageration its well over a week between charges. My VII on the other hand needs charging every couple of days, but I do use it a lot.
==> Apart from the battery life the VII beats the VI
Software:
- For the stock ROM unlocking the extended ROM is simply a case of running fit4cats registry tweaker, there seems to be far less less applications in extended rom as well (total ~ 3Mb). For the first time I'm not bothered about letting the extended rom as it doesn't install anything instrusive or bloating.
- Live Messenger Beta runs fine, any problems being related to the software bugs rather than the phone (all my contacts appeared to be offline, had to "Switch User" option to fix that). The voiceclips feature works flawlessly and combined with HSDPA makes for a useful method of communicating when you cant type. Live beta is currently not working
- VGSmail works fine as expected
- Resco Explorer 2005 is fine
CONCLUSION:
The Vario I was a great phone but not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, on the whole it worked but had too many annoyances for me. The Vario II I believe corrects almost every single one of these as well as providing new features. I would not consider this to be a necessary upgrade for those who don't use data communication and can live with the Vario's flaws. For the heavier users I could not recommend this phone more, as I mentioned before I have had the Magician, Wizard and now the Hermes. I'm sure it comes as no surprise that for me this is the best out of the three, but it also the first time I have considered a Pocket PC to be a worthy substitute for a dedicated phone. It truly is an amazing piece of hardware and could not imagine anyone who takes the plunge being the slightest bit disappointed.
Pros:
- HSDPA
- More responsive
- Better keyboard, buttons and general buil quality
- True one handed operation may now be a reality
Cons:
- Battery life (under very heavy usage on new battery)
Hope this helps some people when deciding whether to go for it or not, I will keep this post updated if I think of anything and don't hesitate to post any questions.
When your battery went down that quickly, where you in an area that was spotty with its UMTS reception? (sorry I'm not familiar with your area) I know I am almost on the line of UMTS and no UMTS and when I am on either side of the line I am fine, but when I am close to the line my battery drains ridiculously fast.
after some charges the battery do the best... my Tytn now as about 3days of autonomy...
not comparable with the 2 days of my magician!
great recension...
many thx
bubu
With regards to the battery I know that they take a little while to be worn in and the OS usually takes a while to learn the battery as well so I'm not to worried. I think I was in an area of spotty coverage yes, as I was only getting 3G 75% of the time.
I think this is a great summary so bumping it up for other potential buyers to read.
The new keyboard is rarely mentionned as one of the improvements over the wizard but it really is a big step forward in that department.
cheers for the bump, just a few updates:
- the keyboard issue has corrected itself, it seems that when fresh from the box some of the contacts need to be worn in. all the keys are now as responsive as each other.
- battery life has also improved considerably but that could well be down to me using it less.
- the stylus is now feeling a lot smoother going in and out of the device.
- unfortunatly the screen alignment issue has cropped up on my phone. this is by far the biggest problem people have with these phones. this should not hinder potential buyers as operators are recognizing this as a factory hardware flaw and replacing/repairing it free of charge.
people looking to buy this phone should not be put off by the screen alignment issue. most newer models aren't having this problem but if they do it's just a case of getting it replaced (on that note, make sure you buy from a reputable supplier with good customer service).
hope this helps those looking to buy this great phone.
Great comparison! I'll link it on the PPC Magazine blog!
(BTW, as far as "- Data transfer is the big change between the two devices, the VI has GPRS compared to the VII which supports HSDPA." is concerned: the VI supports EDGE with speeds up to 240 kbps under good circumstances. See http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=518&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more benchmarks.)
Guys, hears sweet stuff abot the tytn - but how about tytn vs universal - my current pda . . . i am due an upgrade in like 6 months . . what you guys reckon???
cheers
lr
Thanks Menneisyys for the link and also the correction, have edited the post to include VI having EGDE. The reason I didn't mention it is that tmobile uk doesn't support EDGE so I never got to use it.
I bought a 1Gb Sandisk Transflash/MicroSD card, just stuffed it in the slot and rebooted (for some reason wouldn't appear until I reset, I've noted that other people have also experienced this)... But it just works.
Copied over some xvids via my LAN (PC wired to router, PDA on wifi) using Opera as it's more effective at handling large files than PIE... The files just went. I kept an eye on my upload and I was sending the file to the device at around 550-600kb/sec, which I guess is about the max that 802.11g can handle minus overheads, and the file just wrote without any lag, delay or pauses to the SD card, so I'm very happy with its performance
Not run (or installed) TomTom on it yet, so I've not really had a chance to do a long-duration endurance test of the SD card's throughput performance, but I doubt I'll have many problems compared to the issues I had with my Alpine I know there's apps available which can benchmark your storage card, but I reaaaally can't be bothered to get them right now.
I'm having a continued issue with not being able to sync my device with my computer (just doesn't recognise it at all), but I'm thinking that's a problem with my PC as it's a bit... 'touchy'... anyway All in all, a great device. That is, great device provided you get one without a screen alignment issue! I wish there was an adaptor available to convert the mini USB slot to a standard 3.5mm headphone jack for when you want to listen to music though, that's my only wish - I have some WAY better headphones which I'd love to use with my device say when I'm on the bus going into Uni in the morning, now it can stream live TV over the HSDPA... The included headset is a bit of a waste really.
I hope that the video playback issue in TCPMP is to be resolved soon, because I've had to implement my own workaround for that, but it's just one of those things with any new piece of hardware... You get it soon as it comes out, there's bound to be software bugs. As pleased with my Hermes as I was when I got my Alpine, if not moreso - it's a real all-rounder, and, like a previous poster commented, with the Web 'n Walk tariff, it has also really changed the way I use my phone when I'm on the go.
Brilliant comparison, glad I cancelled my contract with O2 now as they don't have the latest Compact XDA, instead signed with Vodaphone on a better tariff and got the phone FREE (VPA Compact III) instead of having to pay the w*nkers at O2 £150 for the older model!!!
Having been an Exec user previously, this little thing is speedy, compact, neat, modern and has a very 'well designed' feel to it - my Exec in comparison just looks old fashioned and clunky, not to mention a bit creeky with old age!!
Just about to purchase a MicroSD for it, they seem to be about £45 for 2Gb, very good value, I do hope that microSD becomes a standard for memory storage, sick of having to upgrade my desktop Card readers!!!!
Cheers, Ash
Hi there. I've had the MDA Pro/o2 Exec for over 8 months and am very happy with it (except of course it's size which can be uncomfortable). I have an upgrade due in about a week and was wanting to know how the resolution compares to the Pro? I got the MDA Vario and ended up keeping the Pro as the resolution was excellent and the sound quality was better. Just wondering how the Vario II compares to the Pro.
ashleyhall said:
Brilliant comparison, glad I cancelled my contract with O2 now as they don't have the latest Compact XDA, instead signed with Vodaphone on a better tariff and got the phone FREE (VPA Compact III) instead of having to pay the w*nkers at O2 £150 for the older model!!!
Having been an Exec user previously, this little thing is speedy, compact, neat, modern and has a very 'well designed' feel to it - my Exec in comparison just looks old fashioned and clunky, not to mention a bit creeky with old age!!
Just about to purchase a MicroSD for it, they seem to be about £45 for 2Gb, very good value, I do hope that microSD becomes a standard for memory storage, sick of having to upgrade my desktop Card readers!!!!
Cheers, Ash
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I'm out of my contract with O2 and am looking at the Vario with T-Mobile (their web n walk looks very good) but they're advertising the vario (as opposed to the vario II) how do I know which they're dishing out?
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatche...phones_ews_overview&menuid=ctl_phones_details
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I'm out of my contract with O2 and am looking at the Vario with T-Mobile (their web n walk looks very good) but they're advertising the vario (as opposed to the vario II) how do I know which they're dishing out?
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatche...phones_ews_overview&menuid=ctl_phones_details
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The Vario2 is out of stock currently. When it's back in stock, it will be listed as the Vario 2. Meanwhile as your link shows, they're still selling the original.
Ah haaaa, that'd make sense.
I rang them yesterday and the best they could say was sometime towards the end of next week.
Is it safe?
Hi friends.I want to buy an mda vario 2 on ebay.Is it safe.What do i need to search before buying an mda vario 2?Can it be unlocked to be used in any country in the world?Can someone sell one which has screen alignment problems?
Is it safe?
Hi friends.I want to buy an mda vario 2 on ebay.Is it safe?I mean i won't know if it wil be in good condition n i wil also not know if it suffers from the screen alignment problem..What do i need to search or ask before buying it.Can the mda vario 2 be unlocked to be used all round the world?
eBay is a dangerous place to buy this kind of thing from, apparently there are quite a few scams going on relating to this phone. If you ask a seller about the screen alignment problem it is very unlikely they will tell you the truth as they can just claim afterwards that it developed after they sent it to you. You could obviously ask for the serial number but that is no guarentee that it won't develop the problem (as far as I know there isn't a single serial number that hasn't had some duff units).
You will have to use your own judgement but personally I think buying this phone from a private seller at this point is dangerous. Plus if the price on eBay is ludicrously low, it's almost certainly a duff listing.
Good luck
Thanks for your advice.I searhed for the mda vario 2 on tmobile.co.uk but it seems that it is out of stock.Could you tell me what is the cheapest price plan concernin this phone?Thanks.
T-Mobile UK are having serious stock issues with this phone, I've been waiting a month for my local T-Mobile shop to get some Vario IIs in so that I can get a replacement. Personally I think their flext packages are very competitive when combined with W'n'W. I currently pay about £38 per month and I get unlimited browsing and £180 worth of texts and calls included. Probably a tad too much but it means I get to use my phone without worrying about usage as I know I'll never go over my allowance. Also going for the bigger package meant I got the phone cheaper (I only paid £40 for the handset), plus I can downgrade my package after 6 months.
My advice would be to go to your local T-Mobile shop and haggle with them, there's a fair few deals that they can do for you. Obviously it would help if they had some stock.
I received my as part of the pre-order process about a week and a half ago.
My overall rating on this device would be a 8/10.
Upside - Super Fast boot -
works wireless and wired
magically increases phone screen resolution
Downsides
price is a bit high
the keyboard is small, but usable, even for real typing.
I have had some mixed results with different roms and programs. For the basic programs - email, calender, office, IE - everything works fine. Some programs though don't play well with the Redlfly, such as the official opera 9.5 release.
When a program doesn't work, the redfly screen goes black. Also, HTC photo album, tomtom do not work.
Google maps works.
Nothing is perfect- the actual web load speeds combined with substandard browsers make certain tasks great, but some pages are more of a pain then they are worth.
am i ready to travel without my laptop - Yup, especially for short trips. When the newer opera starts working with redfly, i think that will make a huge difference.
As in other reviews the battery life is one of the real selling points here. I left it going, wired, using the phone and a cordless mouse - for several hours and had no indication of losing my power and my phone was powered out at max (i was using a bluetooth headset)
the other way to use it, is to whip it out of a case, hit a button and bamb wirelessly send an email, looking something up, ect ect.
The redfly is VERY well constructed - very lightweight, but feels solid and well put together, the materials and the feel of the case are rubbery - and they look fantastic.
I did not experience the lapse in typing as the reviewer in pcworld did - maybe she needed a rom upgrade
Currently i'm using Lorentis' V5 diamond rom - this rom for some reason redfly doesn't like my today screen plugins and they look "scrambled" like a bad tv signal, but this is just a minor issue as you can see all the icons and move into the programs with no difficulty.
If your traveling or if you want to be able to expand the capability of your phone in random situations - this Redfly is the thing to have.
Relating to media - redfly's screen refresh rate is pretty slow - which can cause issues when scrolling on large web pages - but - it works.
My slingbox program played, but looked like a slide show and you can see the screen refresh line re-writing. - So, you can use this as a nice portable media screen- but it is my guess that this screen thing is not only a limitation of their driver and our phone, but i think it also is part of the battery life having a less active monitor.
one of the great things on the keyboard is there are lots of built in shortcut keys - they were REALLY awesome and work very well.
I got a mobile dvd player case that fits it very nice - and there is enough room for my mouse - i'm thinking about adding backup battery - one of these deals Tekkeon MP3450 for the heck of it.
again this is a fantastic device - it doesn't turn your phone into a laptop - relating to multimedia but, it greatly expands the capabilities for both speed and ease in the core applications
If you have any questions, shoot away
I've been looking at many reviews and ads and videos on this thing and I honestly must say with all due respect that I don't see the point.
You state that it improves capabilities for "both speed and ease in the core applications." I can only assume you say "speed" because you think you can do things quicker on a larger screen. AFAIK the redfly does not actually speed anything up for the phone. It is simply a dumb terminal that scales the screen larger and passes input/output.
If this device cost $200 I could possibly see it. But, for $500 you could buy a used P3 ultra-mobile off of ebay that although would be about 25-50% bigger would provide much much more in terms of capabilities, especially when paired with the phone itself for wireless internet.
Multimedia is not increased and, as you state, it has compatibility problems with quite a few applications. Pocket Office is really no where near as functional as real Office...I would never attempt to write a real document over a few paragraphs using pocket Word. Outlook is really the only thing that is very functional (since it is basic e-mail which aren't generally too long) and for that I find the small Kaiser/Tilt screen fine.
I suppose if I had limitless money I would buy one (just like I would by everything), but as I said an old PIII ultra-mobile can be had for cheaper.
Also, generally I am either packing just a phone, or I'm packing my whole case. If the redfly is to big to holster on my hip (which it is) I have to carry a case, and at that rate I might just as well carry my full size notebook.
And as far as being able to quickly whip it out and start on an e-mail, etc... Yes, you probably save about 15-30 seconds vs bringing a laptop out of standby...I'll give it that. But, that brings me back to the fact that I would consider it a waste of time to pull it out in the first place for just an e-mail which I feel is quickly and easily done on the tilt keyboard itself.
The only rational explanation I read for using these things is if you are a company that wants to fit mobile employees who already have phones with "laptops" for very basic tasks (like e-mail). Because the cost of a laptop (and all associated maintenance) can be bery high, this could be a one time fee solution that wouldn't require any additional support.
For an individual user, especially a power user, I can't see that the benefit of a larger screen is really worth the $500. But I'm glad you like it (to each his own), apparently they tapped into some market of people that find it useful and cost-effective.
in principal i don't disagree- it does not speed up your phone
however, for me, it has speed up and made easier my ability to use the phone
primarily in email, calender word, excell- ESPECIALLY excell.
If your on the go - it can be helpful
there is a big difference from my comptuer bag carrying my Dell 700m at 4 pounds and my tiny portable DVD player bag i use for the redfly - less than 2lbs, its like a feather
i have a bad back, the less stress the better - this is light enough to just grab and go anywhere with.
Its also somewhat future proof cause it can go from phone to phone, - hopefully they keep up the drivers.
I debated a small PC eee or something. you can even get them for 200 bucks.
For now i'm sticking with the redfly. - also, i note the pricepoint is the only major downside to the device.
once they get opera 9.5 working - i think it will take it to a whole new level.
I see your selling yours... no longer satisfied?
The price is now $400 new.
Protonus said:
I see your selling yours... no longer satisfied?
The price is now $400 new.
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needed full laptop functionality - changed my job from running around locally to flying around nationally - needed to use photoshop ect ect with me
its yours for 350 - basically new, paypal and shipped conus
So that time has come where my MDA vario III, is a bit worse for wear and it's time for something new.
Is the G1 up to the standard (and then some) of the Kaiser spec.
My main uses are heavy normal phone and sms use, tomtom, a bit of wifi, and other usual pda stuff like calculator, calandar, games etc. After a ROM flash (to Sleuths) it was great and not buggy or sluggish.
The kaiser let me down on call quality, bluetooth quality (with jawbone II still no good) and the speaker & camera were a joke.
Can the G1 fill the gap that is going to be left when I put the Kaiser to rest?
well, so far the G1 is a nice phone...good call quality...bad battery...wifi works well...as does SMS and such.
there is currently no tomtom for g1 but that will probably change next month. calculator calendar and games are better than on windows mobile and the touchscreen kick's the kaiser's @$$.
i'm not sure about bluetooth quality...i'd assume it's good although there is currently no support for bluetooth file transfers.
i think speaker and camera are pretty good.
I think It's a good upgrade. I upgraded from Kaiser myself.
The screen is better both resolution- and touchwise. Android really blew me away. As I use many Google services daily It's really important for me. I find the GPS accuracy better. There is now a tilt sensor just like a currently released phone should have. Mounting the microsdcard via UMS on Ubuntu still allows you to use the phone (probably the same with Windows). The trackball is really nice.
On the bad side; battery drains quickly, there is no videocalling camera (mainly thinking about the new Googletalk webcam feature), no neckstrap attachment hole available (I've solved it in my own way) and no possibility to use the phone as a modem like my Kaiser (afaik).
Currently I'm wondering why I'm not prompted about an OTA upgrade and all custom ROM links on the WIKI are dead.
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Using CFW now and i figured out how to use it as a modem.
I had a kaiser, and I loved it. I since bought a Raphael, but work have just bought me a G1 to play with and I'm in love.
So right now, I've got a Raphael and a G1, and the G1 is so much better it's embarrasing. Just waiting for the battery life and range of apps to catch up.
Hey, it's all about the track ball. I also have an iPhone 3g to play with, and I find it inferior to the G1 but superior to the Raphael (and Kaiser). Hardware kb and track ball kick iPhone into touch for my money.
The browsing experience on the G1 is superb, the best of the lot for me.
However, until all the software I use on the Raphael or equivalent is released for Android, I'm not yet ready to ditch WM and the Raphael.
Luckily for me, I have all three toys to play with, but the G1 is my absolute favourite by far.
I have had the Kaiser, am currently using the Raphael and also have a G1. Personally the G1's battery life is the biggest drawback for me and that it does not support WPA Enterprise which my school uses everywhere and I have no cell reception on campus so the phone is basically useless to me when I am at school. If these problems were solved, I would definitely choose the G1 over the others.
Thanks for the responses people - much appreciated.
It seems like the G1 will be the way to go. I was considering the raphael before the G1 came out but it seems like it's really not enough of a step up from the Kaiser.
I will never go iphone - overpriced, underspecced, and I'm not paying over a $1000 a year for the most basic (cheapest too!) package AT&T have. They do look nice and the screen was a ground breaker but everyone I know that has one has to literally charge it everyday and the limitations are too many.
I know that's probably going to be the hadrdest thing to deal with switching to the G1 - I got about 4 days to a single full charge with my Kaiser.
Thanks again!!!!
I also had a kaiser and the g1 is superior by far.... windows mobile is still buggy no matter cooked rom is installed in the phone.... the phone that can give the g1 a run for its money is the blackberry storm and nokia e71 and n97....
I'm in the same boat.... could upgrade to the g1 next week and most likely get a reduction in rental too (customer of almost 3 years) but am stuck between this and the touch hd..... keep getting swayed both ways!!
Have to agree with Miguel though and I think he's swayed me to the g1... windows mobile is extremely buggy and slow so maybe I should jump ship now and consider coming back for Windows Mobile 7.........
i just upgrade my at&t tilt with a g1. After a couple of days i think was a good choice
the screen is amazing , the touch is another generation from the tilt .
i was missing htc connection manager but i replied it with aSetting.
the gps from the satellites not from the network is faster to fix the position than the tilt
the keyboard still good for me but the slide system on the top look kind of weak.
the only big problem is the battery , the tilt wasn't good ether but the g1 is worst.
i go to sleep with 50% and i weak-up with 20% left , maybe there is a way to close all the programs in the background ?
another is the tilting of the screen i have to say that i miss it.
and another issue is the network i don't know why the g1 lose more often the edge or 3g connection
Christian
The hardware is solid, the OS is generally better, but the software support isn't there yet. It does sport arguably the best web browser in the smartphone market right now (probably tied with iPhone), and the app support will probably pick up dramatically in January when the paid apps system goes live (of course, then you'll have to pay for stuff).
Very fun phone, but not really a productivity workhorse. I never used my WinMo phones for productivity anyway, so I don't really miss it, but the lack of decent games is kind of a bummer.
As far as I can tell, the Tab has almost exactly the same internal hardware as the Galaxy S line of phones, so the only real difference is a larger screen (and no SAMOLED screen). It's also more expensive and less portable.
Does the 7" screen really add all that much to the experience?
Is there any point in owning a Tab in addition to a smartphone?
Disclaimer: I have a Samsung Captivate and I'm trying to justify my lust for the Tab
Portability isn't really diminished as much as you might think. My Tab lives in my inner coat pocket when I'm not at home or at the office. During the day, I even have it in my jeans front pocket quite often. No problem whatsoever, even walking up stairs or sitting at a table it doesn't actually feel uncomfortable.
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Is there any point in owning a Tab in addition to a smartphone?
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In your case, you couldn't replace your phone with the Tab - the US versions will all have the ability to make and receive calls removed.
So you'd need some sort of phone to go with it, though not necessarily a smartphone.
It's all down to personal preference.
And I understand your angst, I'm in the same position - I really want the Tab but I can't work out how I would use it, it's a bit big to replace my phone with it but I can't see the point in carrying two such similar devices and having to pay for a second SIM for data access.
Whilst the Tab is much more portable than an iPad, I really don't see it as a daily carry device (which in my case is an HTC Desire).
I've been waiting for a decent Android tablet for ages now, and the main reasons that I wanted one are:
1. Surfing at home whilst on the sofa or in bed.
2. Personal Media Player
3. Holidays and business travelling (mostly for both the above functions - not for a commute though as the Desire is more than adequate for that)
If there had been a WiFi only version available in the UK, I'd probably have got that as I already have a mobile broadband contract and a MiFi, but since it wasn't I've just tucked the broadband SIM I was already paying for into the Tab and I can still use it as MiFi - albeit a much larger one. As an aside, I wonder if the WiFi only Tab will ship with the Google Apps, because I was under the impression that Google would not licence these to any device that wasn't a "phone" (i.e. have a cellular radio).
Having now got the Tab, I can see myself playing games on it far more frequently than I did on my phone. Also, for work purposes, it is much easier to use Logmein on my Tab than it is on the Desire so it becomes a very useful remote support tool.
It won't replace my Kindle 3, because an E-Ink device is infinitely superior when reading for an extended duration, and it won't replace my phone as my primary communication device, but it definitely serves other purposes far better (thus far) than either of the other two aforementioned devices.
To the OP - the larger screen and resolution makes a massive difference to the overall web experience. Laying on the sofa this morning browsing the web, I never felt the need to reach for my Macbook laying on the coffee table, which I would often do when using my phone.
Regards,
Dave
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It won't replace my Kindle 3, because an E-Ink device is infinitely superior when reading for an extended duration, and it won't replace my phone as my primary communication device, but it definitely serves other purposes far better (thus far) than either of the other two aforementioned devices.
To the OP - the larger screen and resolution makes a massive difference to the overall web experience. Laying on the sofa this morning browsing the web, I never felt the need to reach for my Macbook laying on the coffee table, which I would often do when using my phone.
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I'm totally with you on that. I posted some feedback in this discussion thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9047925#post9047925
I obtained the Galaxy Tab although I use a HTC Desire for some months.
I think, these two Android devices are a perfect combination and the Tab amends all the things I missed with the Desire regarding size.
The Tab is quite ideal for surfing when being aways from my PC (watching TV, traveling, sitting in an office, meeting or anywhere else). Its huge screen allows a real good usage. But it is still small enough to put it into the jacket or trouser pocket if necessary (eg. in case of bad weather). Also compared with the larger IPad, it can be grabed with one hand.
As o2 offers multicard (up to 3 sim cards sharing the same number, allowing user defined call and sms routing and sharing the same data plan with concurrent data use without additional costs except 25 euros for the sim card itself), I can use the Tab to its full extent.
As both use the same os, I can use all the apps I'm used to and which are already installed on my Desire. Moreover, even the paid variants can be installed on both devices. They can share the same information and have the same look&feel.
Yet I did not have any problems with an app not running properly on the Tab.
For surfing, playing a game, reading mails or pds, the Tab is much more suiteable.
And for occasions, where I cannot or will not carry the Tab with me as well as for make phone calls, the Desire is at hand. But due to the capability to dynamicly assign phone/sms calls to a certain sim, I can also leave the desire and do not have to carry two devices.
The battery life of the Tab is (as being used to the poor live of the Desire of 10-15 hours) excellent.
Moreover, when directly comparing Desire and Tab, the receiption of the Tab is significantly better than the Desire's, allowing to use the internet even in areas where the Desire has no signal anymore.
After I finally got OpenVPN also working, my overall assessment is: High price, but worth it's money and an excellent combination together with an Android 2.2 PDA.
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As o2 offers multicard (up to 3 sim cards sharing the same number, allowing user defined call and sms routing and sharing the same data plan with concurrent data use without additional costs except 25 euros for the sim card itself)
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Sadly, such services are not available in the UK.
It would simplify things a lot for me if they did.
Out of interest, can you change the routing of calls and texts at any time?
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Out of interest, can you change the routing of calls and texts at any time?
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Yes, at any time by a simple sequency entered in the phone independently for calls, sms, mms.
Beside this, a preferred device can be defined which receives calls/sms when connected to the network automatically.
The GSM technology easily allows this as sim card and phone number are connected via HLR and the rights of a single sim card are also defined in the HLR. There can be sim cards booked into the network without having an active phone number.
Thanks for elaborating for me.
I'm really annoyed now that services like that aren't offered here.
I'm actually in the exact same situation as foxmeister/Dave above...
I have a HTC Desire.
I have a laptop (mine being Sony Vaio TZ).
I have an e-ink device (mine being Sony Reader PRS-505).
And also worth noting is that I just put together a grunty desktop PC for my software development.
I thought long and hard as to whether the Galaxy Tab would fit a use-case but for me the most important factor was the recent desktop PC build, which kind of phases the laptop (which is getting a bit old and run-down now). I see my Galaxy Tab as being mainly for couch surfing/emailing, controlling my desktop, and for my travels abroad. My HTC Desire serves the phone/calls, light surfing/emailing on the go, and the Galaxy Tab handles those duties while at home (apart from the calls).
I don't want a heavier 10" device as I find them clumsy for casual couch use (not to mention too heavy for extended sessions). Galaxy tab fits the bill and makes the games like Castle Warriers, Angry Birds, etc that much nicer. It will never replace my Sony Reader though, as that is fine since they are both approx 7" in size they travel well together anyway.
I now have a Galaxy S and a Tab, both feel like completely different devices.
This is not a "vs." thread as you are used to reading...this is merely my observations since I have owned and used both devices to their fullest extent. I wanted to share these with you guys (as well as blackberryforums.com) to see what you all thought. I get a ton of email each day, a fair amount of texts and use the high side of 5k mins/month. One of the ways that I have always set myself apart is my response times. I am VP of Sales for a small wireless integration firm and used to work for Sprint and Nextel on the data side. My first smartphone was a Blackberry 7510 in 2004. I had access to every device that Nextel and Sprint had and tried 95% of them. I always went back to Blackberry.
In July of this year, my CEO gave me an EVO and I wanted to give it a fair shot. I went into with the same mentality as always - that I would be back to Blackberry in a few days. I was wrong. I immediately began reading XDA-developers on how to root the device and after that, it snowballed. I was CONSTANTLY trying to find new ways to enhance the battery life and customize my device to my liking. I played around with many different ROMS and kernels (CM6, Baked Snack, Myn and a couple others) and had found Myn's Warm 2.2 RLS4 with Netarchy 2.1.1 CFS smartass kernel to be the best fit for me. That said, I blew through batteries each day unless I was in my home office had to carry an extra one every where I went. On Friday (12/24), I saw a post on Twitter about OS 6.0 for the 9650 and decided to give it a shot. Here is my comparison based on my usage of both devices.
Screen:
Blackberry: ample size for email and texting. Marginal for video like youtube.
EVO: Gorgeous clarity and perfect for watching videos and looking at pictures.
Battery:
Blackberry: stellar battery life....not only does it hold a charge well it doesn't take long to charge. I carry an extra battery in my bag but I can barely ever remember using it.
EVO: Terrible. I have seen so many posts about how folks are getting x hours of standby or sleep or whatever..point is, it comes down to how long the battery lasts as I use the device. I found myself checking percentage drain after leaving the device on all night after every change I made (kernel, ROM, etc.)....it became rather time consuming if you think about it. Everyone always says, "yeah, but it does so much more?" Well, I got tired of worrying what my battery life was going to do when I turned GPS on to use Navigation. You would have thought that the folks that manufactured these devices would have added a little extra juice.
Size:
Blackberry: nice design...good fit in my hand but keyboard is just a tad small (I wear a XXL golf glove).
EVO: large 4.3" screen great for media but a little big to carry around daily. Until the EVO I was a BB holster guy. Having the EVO on my hip felt like a small TV on my belt. I lost that clip quickly and will never carry ANY device on my hip again.
Keyboard:
Blackberry: quite simply, it is perfect. No device can touch a Blackberry keyboard, IMO. Even other Android devices with sliders are no comparison.
EVO: This was my first time using a touchscreen device for any length of time. I didnt care for stock, tried Swype (eh) and decided that SwiftKey was the best choice for me. I got used to touchscreen with no problem and while I wasnt as fast as I was on my BB, it worked fine.
Email:
Blackberry: again, cosmetics aside, email is great. With Blackberry and BES, you know what you are getting. There is no manual sync just to be sure that all email is there. One downside is the lack of mirrored sync. On activesync, you can delete an email in your inbox and it wont show up anymore on your device. Not so with Blackberry (unless this is a new feature in 6.0). I like how easy it is to reply (letter r), reply all (letter l) and forward (letter f) emails with Blackberry. Attachments are handled ok.
EVO: My company is on Exchange 2003 so no HTML email on the stock android mail app. I bought the Touchdown app and it was just ok. While I liked the HTML email via Touchdown it used a little more battery than the stock app. I like the fact that everything is mirrored (replica of inbox). On more than one occasion I noticed that email would sync only after getting into my inbox. Functionality seemed fine 95% of the time....but not 100%. Another small irritant of mine in Android is the fact that the cc field isn't in view automatically. You actually have to hit a button to put the cc field in and then add your address.
Messaging:
Blackberry: Blackberry messenger is awesome, no doubt. Problem is you are limited to those that use it. Texting on the Blackberry is fine also. In fact, I like it as much as Android because it acts just like the email app.
EVO: Until the EVO, I had very limited interaction with texting. Literally, 90% of anyone I communicated with was on BBM. I tried the stock app, Handcent and then finally ended up with ChompSMS. Texting vs. texting it's a wash on both devices.
Browsing:
Blackberry: browsing has gotten a bit better with 6.0 but it doesn't compare to the EVO. It gets the job done but it's just ok.
EVO: I love browsing the web on the EVO. I like the auto text resize capabilities of the stock browser and the overall experience is much better.
Calendar
Blackberry: Never had an issue with the calendar on a Blackberry.
EVO: I can count 8-10 specific events that just didn't show up on my calendar on my EVO...All from Exchange and all events were in Outlook. I need to know this will work 100% of the time. Period.
Contacts
Blackberry: KIS -Keep is simple is exactly what they do. Never an issue with contacts. Always integrated nicely with the other aspects of Blackberry. In 6.0 you can see all conversations/activities within each contact.
EVO: The "people" app on the EVO was ok. When I first got the EVO, everything wanted to integrate with more than one source....it listed Google, PC, Exchange......and I only wanted Exchange....again, never felt 100%.
Apps:
Blackberry: App store is just ok...nothing great to mention here.
EVO: Android market is awesome....lots of great choices for the many things that can be done with Android.
UI
Blackberry: Simple and non-descript. 6.0 adds a good amount to it but it isn't on par with Android.
EVO: I love the time and weather widgets on the home screen. I definitely miss that on Blackberry.
Social Media:
I manage my company's Twitter account as well as our Facebook account (along with my personal accounts of each). I simply love TweetDeck for Android. With Blackberry, I haven't found a combined app that functions anywhere close. I tried HootSuite but it wasn't a combined app...I had to go into Facebook and then into Twitter. (if anyone has a recommendation here, by all means speak up).
Security
Blackberry: No contest here. If I left my Blackberry in a cab, I would not be concerned at all knowing that I could call my IT dept and have it shut down immediately.
EVO: Not so much. I know there are IT policies that can be implemented and it's "pretty" secure. I am not the IT department BUT I just don't feel as secure knowing that it isn't a BES.
Miscellaneous:
I think it's only a matter of time before Blackberry puts a much better camera in their devices. That is a big part of my satisfaction with the EVO. I am a huge amateur photographer and take pictures virtually everywhere I go. Earlier today as was driving my father in-law's 4-wheeler in the snowstorm pulling my 5 and 8 year old girls on saucers I pulled out my Blackberry and could easily turn around and snap a few shots as i was driving. Safe? probably not but I couldn't have done that as easily (if at all) with the EVO. Another thing I noticed was the ability to dial numbers from websites and calendar invites. On Blackberry, it just works. On the EVO, it was hit or miss.
Overall, the EVO is a great device. I travel a fair amount so having a device like that that could entertain me on a plane was a great draw. I loved Angry Birds, Kindle app and a few more. Problem was I would use all of that and then land and not have any juice to actually work. One of the biggest irritants of the EVO was having to hit the power button on the top to turn the device on. Sounds petty, but that bugged me.
Last week, I ordered an iPad with some Marriott points and I have a feeling that it will serve as more than enough entertainment on planes (hasn't arrived yet). I switched back to my 9650 this past Friday and because of the nature of my business I just think that Blackberry is the better device for me.
I will leave you with one stat that I pulled directly from Xobni (those not familiar with this app for Outlook, you should definitely check it out). It's a great organizer for email within Outlook but also has some analytics that will boggle your mind. It may sound petty but from the first of the year until the day I switched to my EVO my average response time was less than 3 minutes for email. From the day I switched to the EVO until this past Friday my average response time was just under 6 mins....
Ultimately, there isn't one perfect device (in my opinion). For me and right now, it appears that a Blackberry will better serve my needs from a business perspective. Thanks for everyone's assistance on this and other Android forums....you all have been great....Happy New Year!
Umm ok??? Scratching head...
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Why are you scratching your head? I just wanted to give a rundown from someone that has experienced both devices.
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This is what you would call a post count troll.
Anyway I would go with BB for your business needs. I used to own a BB 8700, 8300, 8310, pearl, etc.
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This is what you would call a post count troll.
Anyway I would go with BB for your business needs. I used to own a BB 8700, 8300, 8310, pearl, etc.
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No doubt....when I first read it I thought you were talking about me....then I really did scratch my head. Have a good night.
Yeah, there is really no question that the battery life on the Evo is only acceptible to people that have constant access to a charger or are willing to stuff a double or tripple size battery in their pocket.
Hopefully the Evo shift 4g will be a big improvement. With its larger battery, smaller screen and more power efficient processor it should be.
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This is what you would call a post count troll.
Anyway I would go with BB for your business needs. I used to own a BB 8700, 8300, 8310, pearl, etc.
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umm no, try again, i could care less about post count, I just didnt see a point of this thread because just about everyone knows the advantages/disadvantages of android phones and blackberries, at least the people that post on this site. but to each his own
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Yeah, there is really no question that the battery life on the Evo is only acceptible to people that have constant access to a charger or are willing to stuff a double or tripple size battery in their pocket.
Hopefully the Evo shift 4g will be a big improvement. With its larger battery, smaller screen and more power efficient processor it should be.
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Not sure if that comment is true.... my phone last well over 16 hours which is enough for me.. not sure what your battery life is but that's just my experience.
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Doesn't this BB phone have a 2.4" screen?
I sort of miss my blackberry. I'm thinking about going back. I am considering the curve 3G.
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in this base.
used a 9650 for a month than swapped to the EVO.
you are pretty much spot on in every aspect. I get p.good battery life on my Evo, enough for a solid day of use where I can plug it in at night.
Tethering is much easier on the EVO than a BB.
Completely agree on the Bolds keyboard, it is simply amazing. I hated the Curve keyboard, and am yet to find a slider i like...i think i just hate sliders.
Contemplated selling my Evo and picking up a Bold again. I carry my laptop around and EVO is just basically for texting/facebook. Also, BB Facebook App is a lot better then Androids.
Good post. I agree with most of the points. The one thing that makes me stick with Android is the applications I utilize. Though there are some decent applications on the BlackBerry, many of the are so overpriced. I also find that the BlackBerry versions of some are very poor when compared to their Android counterparts. (This is the same complaint iPhone users have about Android applications!)
I'm still getting used to OS 6 on my Bold.I believe I ran into a problem with battery life post-upgrade. It seems to be related to my WiFi. I also just found out that my camera isn't working--which will be a headache I deal with some time this week.
Two areas where I don't agree: I find that the BlackBerry application store is complete GARBAGE. I had to switch devices (went from a Tour to the Bold), and it lost my applications...despite following the instructions on how to ensure they weren't lost. When trying to rectify this, I found that RIM doesn't even have support (i.e., people with whom I can communicate) for issues like this.
The second area has to do with the email reconciliation. Just as Android has synchronize, the BlackBerry has "reconcile now." I'd say they're on-par in this respect. I don't think either one is perfect. I've had lost appointments on my BlackBerry, where they have been on my Evo.
One area I didn't see in your post had to do with GPS. I find that the Evo GPS works much better than my BlackBerry's. The BlackBerry, curiously, works great with RIM's own Maps application; third-party applications (Bing/Google Maps) were hit or miss.
On the other hand, the one area where the BlackBerry shines over the Evo is in international usage. Not only will the Bold roam on GSM, Sprint has a plan that is unlimited data for the Bold. Not so for the Evo. (Though Verizon has it for both BlackBerry and Android devices.)
Joel
Decent article, a bit lengthy, but full of good info. (i personally can't comprehend how someone would have enough time to sit down and write a posting of that magnitude)
Regardless. I have a Bold 9700 for work and my Evo for personal. I HATED BB before the work phone. now that i've used it and worked on the enterprise servers, i see the merits. it's a solid little device. not as feature packed as my evo.
the one main sticking point that i can't shake is, as you said, the battery life. it's amazing how long my Bold can go. i've had it off the charger for 4 days now. no problem. it's incredible. my evo? barely goes a full 12 hour work day without a charge. i know they make expanded batteries and i could always get extra batteries. But to be honest, i have no desire to remove two layers of otterbox defender just to replace a battery. it still amazes me that HTC missed the mark so greatly on the batteries, when all the other features rock.
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Good post. I agree with most of the points. The one thing that makes me stick with Android is the applications I utilize. Though there are some decent applications on the BlackBerry, many of the are so overpriced. I also find that the BlackBerry versions of some are very poor when compared to their Android counterparts. (This is the same complaint iPhone users have about Android applications!)
I'm still getting used to OS 6 on my Bold.I believe I ran into a problem with battery life post-upgrade. It seems to be related to my WiFi. I also just found out that my camera isn't working--which will be a headache I deal with some time this week.
Two areas where I don't agree: I find that the BlackBerry application store is complete GARBAGE. I had to switch devices (went from a Tour to the Bold), and it lost my applications...despite following the instructions on how to ensure they weren't lost. When trying to rectify this, I found that RIM doesn't even have support (i.e., people with whom I can communicate) for issues like this.
The second area has to do with the email reconciliation. Just as Android has synchronize, the BlackBerry has "reconcile now." I'd say they're on-par in this respect. I don't think either one is perfect. I've had lost appointments on my BlackBerry, where they have been on my Evo.
One area I didn't see in your post had to do with GPS. I find that the Evo GPS works much better than my BlackBerry's. The BlackBerry, curiously, works great with RIM's own Maps application; third-party applications (Bing/Google Maps) were hit or miss.
On the other hand, the one area where the BlackBerry shines over the Evo is in international usage. Not only will the Bold roam on GSM, Sprint has a plan that is unlimited data for the Bold. Not so for the Evo. (Though Verizon has it for both BlackBerry and Android devices.)
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I didnt mean to give any addtl credit to the BB App World but to be honest, I never use it and dont have a need to use it now...I search the web for the apps and use the dl link directly from their sites.
As far as reconcile goes, the EVO worked better for email (when it did work 100%). Again this is for email only....if I deleted an email on my pc it doesnt leave my bb...it does on the EVO.
Forgot about GPS - you are correct....the GPS on the EVO was far better and could be used for lots of cool things....I get Telenav for free on the BB so cost wise that isnt an issue.....hard to come close to Google Navigation although I will say it has routed me on some pretty crazy routes before.
One other thing I forgot was notes/memos. Yes, there are apps for Android that sync manually but it's 2010. I dont want to sync manually...I use notes alot (have over 350) and I really missed them on Android.
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Decent article, a bit lengthy, but full of good info. (i personally can't comprehend how someone would have enough time to sit down and write a posting of that magnitude)
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You can't "comprehend" how someone has 10 minutes to write out their experiences? Are you THAT busy?
I just remembered (after just experiencing the problem) another thing I absolutely hate about the BlackBerry email: it has a limit as to how much it will download per message. If a message is over a certain size, it pretty much flips you the middle finger. I just ran into this, actually. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but it is when reading HTML messages contained in external (non BES) email.
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Decent article, a bit lengthy, but full of good info. (i personally can't comprehend how someone would have enough time to sit down and write a posting of that magnitude)
Regardless. I have a Bold 9700 for work and my Evo for personal. I HATED BB before the work phone. now that i've used it and worked on the enterprise servers, i see the merits. it's a solid little device. not as feature packed as my evo.
the one main sticking point that i can't shake is, as you said, the battery life. it's amazing how long my Bold can go. i've had it off the charger for 4 days now. no problem. it's incredible. my evo? barely goes a full 12 hour work day without a charge. i know they make expanded batteries and i could always get extra batteries. But to be honest, i have no desire to remove two layers of otterbox defender just to replace a battery. it still amazes me that HTC missed the mark so greatly on the batteries, when all the other features rock.
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Your Bold 9700 is GSM, Bold 9650 is CDMA and GSM when needed.
GSM phones have much better battery life compared to CDMA ones. I would get about a day in a half-2 days of battery on my Bold. Evo if I rarely use it, i can get up to 30-34 hours of standby basically, but if using moderately I can get 20-24 hours. Bold with heavy use would last me a full day at least, Evo with heavy use i'm lucky to get 12 hours.
I do love the Bold, adn would have no qualms about going back to one. Especially if I had a Tablet also or something easier than my laptop. Might have to throw my Evo up for sale for $350 and see if I get any bites, haha.
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Size:
Blackberry: nice design...good fit in my hand but keyboard is just a tad small (I wear a XXL golf glove).
EVO: large 4.3" screen great for media but a little big to carry around daily. Until the EVO I was a BB holster guy. Having the EVO on my hip felt like a small TV on my belt. I lost that clip quickly and will never carry ANY device on my hip again.
Keyboard:
Blackberry: quite simply, it is perfect. No device can touch a Blackberry keyboard, IMO. Even other Android devices with sliders are no comparison.
EVO: This was my first time using a touchscreen device for any length of time. I didnt care for stock, tried Swype (eh) and decided that SwiftKey was the best choice for me. I got used to touchscreen with no problem and while I wasnt as fast as I was on my BB, it worked fine.
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OK! Longest useless post I've ever wasted my time reading! So you say the keyboard is too small, then you say it is perfect....is it perfectly small?
2.4" screen?
Are we talking about smartphones or featurephones here?