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my ameo's gps cant fix satellites

My ameo can fix satellites the first day i got in chicago, but from the second day, it no longer fix. it has been so for 1 week.
i use "quick gps" but the gps still doesn't work. then I changed the server where "packedEphemeris.ee" downloaded from by editing the registry, nothing changed. I've used igo,gps viewer,gps tuner etc., the satellite can be displayed around the picture of earth but they are all red and never become blue or green. ive tried hard reset but nothing changed..
I wonder what's wrong with my ameo? Is it possible that my ameo's gps module is broken? or it's just a software issue?

coolish said:
My ameo can fix satellites the first day i got in chicago, but from the second day, it no longer fix. it has been so for 1 week.
i use "quick gps" but the gps still doesn't work. then I changed the server where "packedEphemeris.ee" downloaded from by editing the registry, nothing changed. I've used igo,gps viewer,gps tuner etc., the satellite can be displayed around the picture of earth but they are all red and never become blue or green. ive tried hard reset but nothing changed..
I wonder what's wrong with my ameo? Is it possible that my ameo's gps module is broken? or it's just a software issue?
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I have read here somewhere that the GPS Now causes problems with the GPS and caused some lock-ups requiring a soft reset. See if you can find the thread....(hint....search...LOL ) that discusses it. I had also heard that the Ameo had a GPS problem.....that thread is here too.....good luck.
Hope this helps...........Later

hdbueller said:
I have read here somewhere that the GPS Now causes problems with the GPS and caused some lock-ups requiring a soft reset. See if you can find the thread....(hint....search...LOL ) that discusses it. I had also heard that the Ameo had a GPS problem.....that thread is here too.....good luck.
Hope this helps...........Later
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i have done soft reset many times and hard reset for several times,nothing changed..i have tried setting the gps program port to com4 or com5 and just like what i did when the gps works fine.The applications can connect to the port and find the gps but it just cant fix a usable signal..

here is the screenshot
please help..

Try GPSView
I find that the best program for getting a lock, it normally works in a few seconds. Also, make sure when you turn it on you are in a WIDE open area. You need a good view of the sky in all directions to get initial lock. Wait until its happily locked onto 4 or 5 sats before fiddling or moving.

i have used gps viewer, and i do test it outdoor in open air, but it just cant get fix in hours.
here is the screenshot while using gps view

Not sure if it will work with your software, but I find that my Ameo is far happier using com1 for the GPS port - I believe this is the software port and com4 is hardware. With com1 I can use multiple gps apps at the same time, e.g. Tomtom and Reperion. If the device has not been used for a while, it can sometimes take a few minutes to get a lock, but no longer than 3-4mins. What I generally do is set one of the GPS apps running as I'm getting my keys coat on e.t.c., then by the time I've installed the Ameo in the car and done my 'preflight checks', its got a fix and I can go.
But deffo try com1 if you have that option.

cant download quick gps
hi can i get some help. i got my new ameo but cant seem to get the gps working. when i tap quickgps all that comes up is download and nothing happens. what might be the reason. do i need to get another gps programme installed?

Yes.
QuickGPS is only for downloading sat data, not for actual GPS tracking use!
GoogleMaps is free and quite good. Microsoft Live search same.
Look for GPSView for ppc as well...
Have fun.

how do you make googlemap work? i mean the track function.

Turn off the MS software GPS management, then get the ABSOLUTE LATEST googlemaps mobile.
I think you set the com port manualy in google, com4 or com5 9600
Its best to use the free GPSView to test out the com settings first to make sure you get the right ones. When you get the right port you will SEE the gps data appear in the text box proving its working. This program gets locks quicker too.
When youve got a lock with that, quit it, then run google and use the same com settings.

wilben said:
hi can i get some help. i got my new ameo but cant seem to get the gps working. when i tap quickgps all that comes up is download and nothing happens. what might be the reason. do i need to get another gps programme installed?
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i seem to have a peculiar issue as well. i have had my Ameo for 3 months now and GPS download (to get a fix) my TOMTOM 6 have both worked fine. now i try to download the gps data through quickgps, it says "connecting" and after a while returns an error message " connection failed, please try again later" can anyone help please?

Tomtom dropping GPS

Using TomTom v7.450 (build 9028) the device can work fine for hours, but sometimes I start Tomtom and it will find a GPS signal and then immediately drop it again.
When I look at the satellite information, it will do this...
1. No GPS device!
2. Poor signal, are you indoors?
3. Built-in GPS receiver
4. No GPS device!
5. Poor signal, are you indoors?
6. Built-in GPS receiver
7. No GPS device!
and repeat..
You can view a video showing this effect
@ youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkPmhbst0o
@ http/avi: http://phat.nooblet.org/htc.touch.hd_tomtom.gps.avi

Hi, I've the same problem on my Blackstone, GPS works well for days bu from today the GPS signal result discontinuous with any navigation software like Tomtom(various versions), Trackypro and iGO8...any idea? Thanks

I had the similar problem when I first installed TomTom. Which settings are you using? Because I used "built-in GPS" for TomTom and had the above problem. When I changed it to "Other NMEA GPS" with baud rate at 11200 ()or whatever the max is + COM4 then gps started working like a charm. Since then no signal drops, no lag and very quick fix. Not sure if it is just by chance or is it a real fix for the above problem, but worth trying as its working for me. However, it has been 2 days only. Not sure if after a while I will have this problem or not. I am using Tom Tom 7.910 with maps 6.75.

Can You try to set the hardware port from <None> to COM9? Seems work better, the GPS signal still present...but for now I'm at home

I have more or less the same problem !
Using TomTom v7.450 (build 9028) the device works fine the 1st week, but now, I start Tomtom it xan't find GPS device !
I tried to reinstall all without success...
I also tried all the COM available !

using tomtom 7 with NMEA com 4 max baud rate. Works just fine. 8 or 9 sats locked on constantly in open areas

I'm having the same problem, although I don't have TomTom 7. But it doesn't seem to be just TomTom that's having trouble finding the GPS (and when it does, it'll never get a fix).
The Google Maps application also gives me the "No GPS found" attitude.
I've installed the HTC GPS Tool, which does seem to find a bunch of satellites, but they all stay no-fix-reddish.
Are there any guidelines on how to setup the GPS on this thing? I find it a bit strange that my settings menu only lists an option "External GPS", and no "Internal/Built-In GPS".

Can confirm that the dropping of GPS is in other applications.
I use zürich map from Lonely Planet (sure its form 2003) and it will drop the signal in the open.
Have a feeling its internal on our devices.

One possibility is A-GPS.
It is Disabled by default, but it is possible that with tools like HD Tweak or Advanced Config Tool, you, even by being unaware of it, you activated (or better : enabled) it.
To me, it was a winner : after re-disabling A-GPS, my GPS started to be stable again, no matter what port I choosed and how I configured the Navigator program.
Give it a try, could be the solution that works for you

Hi there,
I've just picked up my lovely HTC Touch HD - I'd like to buy the TomTom 7 and the correct maps to go with it to allow it to work.
Can someone please tell me where I can go to stick my Visa card details into and buy please! i'm pretty confused on the TT website and on here there's allsorts of version numbers etc mentioned!
I'd just like to have a stable running TT on my Touch!
Any chance of also having the US & Canada maps working as well as the UK maps ?
Thanks !
Dennis! West London UK!

This is not a TomTom issue. I have same problem with IGo and VisualGPSce.
I use to resolve this issue this way (in IGo or VisualGPS) : I change the baudrate in GPS configuration. Switching 19200 to 38400, or reverse, or whatever : the GPS locks and is stable after few baudrate switches.

Theres some reports that the default "sleep" timeout for GPS is 1 second. Apparently the Microsoft Intermediate Driver only updates every 1 second so it could just miss it and go to sleep!
Try changing registry entry to 2000 (milliseconds)...
HKLM->system->currentcontrolset->GPSIntermediate Driver->Drivers-> SleepOnNoData

Tirinoarim said:
Theres some reports that the default "sleep" timeout for GPS is 1 second. Apparently the Microsoft Intermediate Driver only updates every 1 second so it could just miss it and go to sleep!
Try changing registry entry to 2000 (milliseconds)...
HKLM->system->currentcontrolset->GPSIntermediate Driver->Drivers-> SleepOnNoData
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Already did it (currently set to 2500). But changes nothing (even after soft reset) : GPS keeps deconnecting/reconnecting as described (not every time; one in a while..).
Thanks anyways !

Just out of interest, do you have MobileJustice installed by any chance?

Absolutly not. Nor any software of this type, nor any software who can possibly take GPS in background..

I had the problem of TomTom getting satelites and then dropping them and saying it couldn't find the gps.
Disabling agps (quick gps) via advance config seemed to sort out the problem

AGPS is *not* quickGPS in my understanding. But this is unclear. For a proof, AGPS comes disabled by default, but quickGPS works out of the box. Can someone who knows for sure, precisely state if AGS and quickGPS are the same thing or not ?
I have disabled AGPS also with HD tweak (but quickGPS stills work..), and I have regulary (2 out of 3 times) this problem.

I had the same problem. Disabling the AGPS seems to have worked but I will wait for the data to expire before confirming.
The problem seems to be when I have poor GPS reception AND poor GSM. They seem to be calling upon each other for corrections but never resolve.
If this is the solution I will just rely on QuickGPS alone which has worked fine for years with TTN6.
Edit: I can now confirm disabling AGPS solved my problem.

had TTN7 running for a few days now.
Can't find the built in GPS. Having to set it to other Bluetooth GPS Receiver.
A bit hit and miss with signal / getting a fix.
I have turned off AGPS as well. Going to try out some of the settings you all have put up tomorrow.

AlexEv said:
had TTN7 running for a few days now.
Can't find the built in GPS. Having to set it to other Bluetooth GPS Receiver.
A bit hit and miss with signal / getting a fix.
I have turned off AGPS as well. Going to try out some of the settings you all have put up tomorrow.
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Working great ...
AGPS off - Using COM 4

HTC Snap, GPS not detecting satellites

I can't get a satellite lock on my HTC Snap.
I have enable "use GPS" in google maps. google maps will search for satellites and after sometime come back saying weak signal & some recomendations to look for clear view of the sky.
Garmin XT also can't search GPS satellites. I install GPS Test, it seems that there's a GPS hardware but somehow the signal reception is super weak.
I have sent my Snaps to HTC service center and the best thing they can do is change the mainboard. This also show no result.
Anybody, please help. i'm starting to get frustrated with this GPS issue...

Bing GPS
I use the Bing app and have similar issues establishing GPS signal. This is my first GPS device so I'm not sure if this is normal, or if the phone is crap for GPS, or if I'm doing it wrong. I try to keep the QuickGPS updated, but that doesn't seem to help. I thought AGPS was supposed to be fast, but faster compared to what? Maybe this is 'fast' for GPS. I have seen friend's full on GPS devices and they seem to pickup pretty quick. So... who knows?

One thing to definitely try is make sure quickgps is up to date and automatically downloading. garmin could NOT find my location without that up to date and it would show one red bar signal strength. once i loaded up quickgps, updated it, and ran garmin again, full green signal.

It's The GPS Hardware ...
I've tried it all with my Dash 3G -- and concluded that it's the GPS in the phone that is garbage. I've since switched back to my trusty OnCourse Bluetooth GPS and I get a lock in Google Maps in less than 30 seconds and in Garmin XT in less than 10. IMHO, the GPS is certainly a weakness on this phone.
It finally sunk in for me when I lost signal 9 times while walking a few miles down Beacon Street in Boston. Holding the phone in my hand it kept dropping the signal over and over again. So I gave up. Built in GPS is handy in a pinch (when you have 30 minutes to wait for it to find a signal) but for serious navigating I use my Bluetooth GPS exclusively now.

No true at all. the gps in the Ozone is amazingly fast.

drewcam888 said:
No true at all. the gps in the Ozone is amazingly fast.
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I completely agree. Simply because something is not working like it should for these others does not mean that the GPS is not good. I use garmin xt with my ozone and its is extremely fast at updating my position as i'm driving along.

Problem solved
Let say that i'm in a really bad luck. this is my first GPS device and its not working. After the 2nd time come out from the service center (2nd concecutive mainboard), then the GPS is functioning, normaly....
my maple can get lock on GPS signal quite fast. with AGPS updated, it can get signal lock within seconds (given you have a clear sky view). i found that it could takes some time for Garmin XT to get GPS signal, so I use GPS Test to speed up the process then start the Garmin XT.
so for those who can't get GPS signal. it's definitely your hardware. I also found that the online customer service officer at HTC is just a mere lips service / useless. they keep telling me to be patient and patient without real action.

There's a free GPS testing tool for Windows Mobile called GPS Test. Once that set up, you can find out which serial port is used by the GPS receiver in your Windows Mobile, and set Google Maps GPS setting accordingly. Once it's set up, Google Maps can easily find multiple satellites if you're on open space. Once it's using GPS, your location on Google Maps will be a pin point, rather than a large circle denoting your approximate location.
PS: Found out with GPS Test that my GPS receiver in my Snap is using COM4 port at 9600 bps
Sincerely,
Paul Pambudi

WIND Mobile HTC Maple users not getting GPS working PLEASE READ!
I went through four HTC Maples (two accounts each 1st phone was a warranty exchange for another non-related problem). Each of the four Maples could not lock in single GPS satellite. WIND tech support had no clue after many calls and tests run at their tech support offices in Toronto. WIND recommended that I get in contact with HTC directly to see if they might have a solution.
One call to HTC started the ball rolling and setup a trouble ticket. Within 3 days and about seven call backs to trouble shoot, HTC had the solution and both of our Maples now have fully functioning GPS with Google Maps.
The problem was in the ROMs that had an old version of Google Maps (both their WM 6.1 and WM 6.5 HTC Maple ROM for WIND accounts).
Solution: using the Maple's browser go to m.google.com/maps and install the latest version. Problem solved!
HTC customer service in North America ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!
Will I buy another HTC product? HELL YA!!!

Here's a gem!
My Snap used to take 30-40 seconds on a cold start to get a location lock (with aGPS turned on).
I installed the attached CAB (which just adds some registry keys, also found here: Here), which makes the phone use Google's aGPS server, and got a cold start GPS lock in 7 seconds... indoors!

arpitp said:
Here's a gem!
My Snap used to take 30-40 seconds on a cold start to get a location lock (with aGPS turned on).
I installed the attached CAB (which just adds some registry keys, also found here: showthread.php?t=544421), which makes the phone use Google's aGPS server, and got a cold start GPS lock in 7 seconds... indoors!
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The thread you listed for registry key changes doesn't appear to work.
Any chance you might be able to list it again?
Thanks.
AE!

AquiEsta! said:
The thread you listed for registry key changes doesn't appear to work.
Any chance you might be able to list it again?
Thanks.
AE!
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Sorry, the link was bad. I'm used to posting links in that format from another forum. Anyhow, it's fixed in the last post, and here it is as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544421

arpitp said:
Sorry, the link was bad. I'm used to posting links in that format from another forum. Anyhow, it's fixed in the last post, and here it is as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544421
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Thanks for updating the link.
I have tried both of the CABs for the non Nokia and both make no difference if you
can't get a GPS lock. AGPS simply does not work using the latest Google maps CAB
available.
The "FF Ultimate aGPS Tweak_supl.google_Generic.cab" actually makes Google Maps
take forever to just start up after being installed and still no location is updated
indoors. Also, the phone will not snyc now with the desktop and this is after three
soft resets.
Even worse is the fact the phone now runs slow as hell. Everything takes forever
to open and is VERY sluggish.
Installed the other CAB "FF Google aGPS Settings Generic.cab" and still the same
problems. What could be the problem?
Finally got fed up with the POS CAB and uninstalled it. So far I've notice that the
phone has recovered its speed opening items and the right ones not like before
with that POS CAB which would cause all kinds of problems. Snyc now works
and so this looks like I'm back in business minus the fact I still can't get the aGPS
to work.
Oh well, you can't win them all...
AE!

GPS - Software, Performance

Now that Verizon finally has unlocked the GPS on a new device, I am curious about what navigation software and performance everyone is seeing. I tried TomTom 7 on my Imagio and it is lagging about 10 seconds. I haven't had time to really give it a good test, however it was a little concerning. How is your GPS working for you?

Same with me, Navigator is too laggy to work. I've installed Nav4All (free at nav4all.com) and it works great but is very rudimentary.
Goggle Maps works fine but not TTS so the search continues...

Interesting, I was using version ttn7.915.9196 for the record. I saw somewhere that there is a newer version for the TP2 out but i think it only added the ability to use the keyboard. I noticed that on the TomTom sight it only shows the Iphone edition I wonder if they are tweaking it for the new rev of WM phone. I think i might buy Copilot 8 if we can't find a fix considering its only something like $35.

Copilot 8 works great!

I use Ostia from pharosgps.com.
It was lightning fast to locate me, compared to using my old Tilt.
This is my third phone using Ostia and have to say currently liking it best.

GPS
You must first use HTCs Quick GPS. It speeds up the lock on the satellites. Google maps finds my location within seconds and Bing in less than a minute

Hormazdd said:
You must first use HTCs Quick GPS. It speeds up the lock on the satellites. Google maps finds my location within seconds and Bing in less than a minute
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Is QuickGPS a memory hog? And is it always on? I'm a little afraid to install it.
In the meantime, I have always like Garmin software. Garmin XT works very well on the Imagio. I got it off of ebay for about $25. It's also got lots of connected services, like nearby gas prices, flight times, google search, weather etc.

no quick gps isn't a memory hog and should already be on your device. The way it works is:
The GPS chip receives a synchronized timed signal from the satellites (birds) the US DoD launched into orbit. Each bird uses a different channel. With a good signal from three or more birds, GPS starts to get a fix. It does this by calculating the time difference between the reception of the different signals, then calculating the relative distances to each of the birds, then figuring out where it sits in the middle of the birds.
The GPS calculates four spheres, and its located somewhere on the surface of each of these spheres. There is only one point where these four spheres intersect. That's you.
If you're good at geometry, you might think that it needs 4 birds to get a fix, but in fact, if the GPS assumes that you are on earth, that provides another sphere, so it only requires 3 birds to get a decent fix. More adds altitude and accuracy.
But the GPS needs to know where each of the birds is before it can decide where IT is. That information is not calculated, but is available in a detailed download of orbital data provided by the DoD called ephemeris data. It is transmitted...from the bird to your GPS. For a cold start, your GPS needs to download the entire file, without interruptions in the signal - BEFORE it can even start getting a fix. In fact, the GPS may not even know which channels to tune into, since it doesn't yet know which birds are currently overhead. This causes a slow first fix.
Quick GPS, is simple. Ephemeris data is passed thru WiFi or cellular data connection ahead of time, and you never have to wait for it to download over the satellite. Awesome.
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I'm using IGo8 and it works perfectly.

I'v been happy with Bing for Maps/Turn-by-Turn GPS, with the bigger screen of the Imagio it's more than adequate for my needs. It also has gas prices, movies, and speech recognition which is very nice. Use Quick GPS to cache satellite info and it locks very quickly after that.

makryger said:
Is QuickGPS a memory hog? And is it always on? I'm a little afraid to install it.
In the meantime, I have always like Garmin software. Garmin XT works very well on the Imagio. I got it off of ebay for about $25. It's also got lots of connected services, like nearby gas prices, flight times, google search, weather etc.
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Isn't Quick GPS already on the Imagio. I don't remember installing it on mine and its been working great.

Boss428man said:
Isn't Quick GPS already on the Imagio. I don't remember installing it on mine and its been working great.
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It is if you go into the All Applications area from the TouchFlo Start Menu.

Boss428man said:
Isn't Quick GPS already on the Imagio. I don't remember installing it on mine and its been working great.
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I was confused, when I opened up QuickGPS, it said "Download", so I assumed it was like the Windows Marketplace icon, and that you actually had to download the program first. I was wrong- download means download GPS Data.

makryger said:
I was confused, when I opened up QuickGPS, it said "Download", so I assumed it was like the Windows Marketplace icon, and that you actually had to download the program first. I was wrong- download means download GPS Data.
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Correct, and it will auto-close after as it's not needed to stay running to work, just download cache files and exit.

Give it a try it has always worked will for me

IGO 8 is by far the best navigation software takes some tweaking to get it to work but if you do some searching you can find what your looking for on the net. Garmin XT uses a bit less program memory and still works well but not near as slick as IGO. Make sure you use latest possible release and maps.

Is it Igo 8 or OnCourse 8 in the US. I went to the site and found it a little confusing. Looked pretty nice either way.

Can't get Tomtom to work
On the topic of GPS programs, I have used Tomtom Navigator 6 (purchased version) for some time. Worked great on my AT&T fuze, but when I tried to install it on the imagio, it looks like everything is smooshed to the top of the screen, and is unusable. I contacted Tomtom, but they replied simply that it was an unsupported phone. I guess I'll have to try a different program. Anybody else had issues?

sdph said:
On the topic of GPS programs, I have used Tomtom Navigator 6 (purchased version) for some time. Worked great on my AT&T fuze, but when I tried to install it on the imagio, it looks like everything is smooshed to the top of the screen, and is unusable. I contacted Tomtom, but they replied simply that it was an unsupported phone. I guess I'll have to try a different program. Anybody else had issues?
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I've been using TomTom for years too. On my PDA's and winmo phones. I didn't install it on the Imagio because I was going to get the latest maps from TomTom and see if they had any software updates. But all they have on their site now is iPhone and zip for winmo, so it looked to me like they were dropping windows support, so I dropped them.
I can get by with Google Maps and/or Windows Live Search (Bing) - and for turn by turn I'm now using the $35 CoPilot 8. Works real well, but I have very limited time on it so far.
I was going to switch to Garmin XT, but you need a completely dedicated microSD for that - that's a deal breaker.

My friend installed wm 6.5 on his wing and he is having a similar problem with TOMTOM being very laggy. I think its a wm 6.5 issue and not and Imagio!

Optimal GPS settings for faster GPS lock on HD2? (Also using GarminXT)

Hi all,
I didnt want to start a new thread, but after searching the forums and google for a long time, i decided to bring it up
So ive had my HD2 for about 2 days now, and I recently installed GarminXT (I used to have it on my Nokia N82)
the problem i'm finding is that the GPS doesnt lock as fast as i thought it would be..
GarminXT has not been locking on (little over 5 minutes now)
I'm a noob to Windows Mobile and HTC so please bear with me!
1. How do i know A-GPS is working? Is it automatically enabled? (This wasnt the case for Nokia as you could manually turn off A-GPS and use strictly GPS signal). Under Location settings i have "Location Service Settings" = ON
and HTC Location Service = ON
2. Im still not 100% sure what QuickGPS does. I've read about it , but all i concluded was that it uses your data to get a faster GPS lock.
So i tried running QuickGPS and it updates no problem.
I open GarminXT and it doesnt lock on. Do i need to use this?
3. Can someone tell me if these are the optimal GPS settings? I kept searching around the forum but cant find one specific to the HD2.
So under "All Settings" > System > External GPS
Programs Tab > GPS Program Port = COM4
Hardware Tab > GPS Hardware Port = None > Baud rate = 4800
Access Tab > Managa GPS Auto = Checked
Are these settings correct? Or are there "tweaks" to it that I can change?
4. One last question:
Under GarminXT, i have the ability to choose 3 GPS options:
"Use Bluetooth GPS"
"Use GPS Intermediate Driver" = Checked
"Use Serial GPS" > Once selected, i get 4 other options to choose:
COM1: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM2: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM4: COM4:
COM9: 7500 COM port
Does anyone know if i should be checked on "Use GPS Intermediate Driver" or if i should be checking off "Serial GPS" > COM 4?
This is my first WinMo device with a data plan (I'm on EDGE speeds cause I'm in Canada), but I always had the impression AGPS would really help the lock times.
Anyone with help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Again, loving the new HD2
Thanks

For GarminXT, use intermediate driver.
For Google maps, use Com4, 4800 rate, that enables use of the compass.
Quick GPS should increase startup, and so far I had all fixes on HD2 under 30 seconds, and I did not change anything.
Normally GPS would download information about orbits of satellites from the satellites. That can take time, as it is one way communication and GPS can't ask satellite to send data again in case of error, it must wait untill the satellite starts sending them again by itself.
It is much faster to get that data via network .. and that is exactly what QuickGPS is for. Problem is that at least on my previous X1 there were many problems with it. The data from network was sometimes completely wrong, and you had to delete the file manually. That information is in temp\xtra.bin. Try to delete it and try again. QuickGPS does not test existence of the file, it will download new one in predefined time.
I'm still a bit confused about aGPS. I'm not sure what it is. Some people state it is the same thing as QuickGPS. Some say it is something to get quick basic fix based on BTS. But I haven't seen that in any application, except Google maps, and they seem to use their own technology and data for that.
But AFAIK, those 'location services' is generally Google's 'my location' exposed for other HTC applications.

I set it on max rate, do i do a mistake? I think that this is setting the speed or Im wrong?! Im connecting with sattelites below 15sec, with no other tweaks or quickgps...

^^
what's "max rate"?
btw, thanks for the replies
i'll look into deleting the cache file for QuickGPS and see if it does anything

Quick GPS allows you to download a weeks worth of GPS satellite position data (almanac data) at one time, helpful if for example you don't have a data plan - you can get your A-GPS data in one hit over WiFi. It helps speed lock time.
Not sure what is happening with yours, mine always locks in Garmin within 7-15 seconds, I have Quick GPS set to autoupdate, but otherwise no special tweaks or modifications where GPS is concerned.

Same here - in fact, the HD2's locking faster to GPS than my Touch HD ever did. I'm getting locks in the garage now whereas before I had none with my Touch HD. Haven't touched the default WM GPS settings or the Garmin one at all since I upgraded to the HD2.

GPs lover-Google map hater
Hi guys, firstly thanks for this thread as i too look for answer...and find some only here
i had the Diamond and now the HD2 and share the love.
Garmin maps are much more accurate and have even the smallest unpaved roads which Google map lacks. Google is so basic maps, i simply hate it...sorry Google...not to mention that it cost money to be online all the time
HD2 GPS confuse me. Sorry if I ask u basic staff but could not figure it up myself:
1. using the GPS w/google map, how u set simple setting, as: "north up" or ""track up" Route setting such as "faster time" or any other basic settings that I always had on my Garmin GPS including Garmin mobile XT?
2. What happend to voice navigation wiith google?
3. Reading your info, does it means that I can install Garmin mobile XT I got with Diamond on HD2 ?
4. Anybody know TomTom for HD2 (which I will get shotly from HTC?
I trust someone out here is smarter than me and will come to rescue

hey guys,
my HD2 is fine now, usually i just do a QuickGPS connect before opening Garmin XT and now it connects SUPER fast...usually under 10 seconds
Thanks for all the help!!

Google is not, and does not set out to be a full satellite navigation prpgram, so it doesn't have stuff such as 'North Up', 'Track Up' etc, nor does it have spoken directions.
For these you need a dedicated SatNav program like Garmin, TomTom, CoPilot or iGO8 which are all 'paid-for' applications.
TomTom will run fine but TomTom don't officially support it, meaning you can't download the correct vesion direct from their website. There are easy ways around this though!
With regard to some of the earlier posts- the HD2 can aquire a fix faster than any other device I've used (and I've used a lot!). I find QuickGPS makes very little difference, but as it uses only a small amaount of data I keep it updated.
QuickGPS and A-GPS are not the same thing, though there are quite a few different definitions of A-GPS. Genuine A-GPS is not used in UK, nor as far as I know anywhere else in Europe except by dedicated programs and platforms set up with the infrastructure (such as Apple, who use it to enhance the poor performance of the iPhone's GPS chip). It is used in the Far East, and works by enhancing your accuracy of positioning by using the data channels to send your current cell ID plus any other availble stuff like WiFi hotspot info, which is correlated to a database of locations, and sent back as an approximate position to the phone. Google Maps uses something like this if a GPS signal is not available- the 'Locate Me' feature will show you in a radius of around 1km.
The Baud rate makes no ostensible difference to the lock times or accuracy, as the data stream from the satellites is far lower than even the lowest baud rate. The NMEA default is 4800, and most software is happy to connect at that rate.

The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/

WOW, that was fast, thank you NeilM.
I will get Tomtom for free from HTC as it is included with Thai purchaded HD2.
Meanwhile I will try to load Garmin XT that I got with My Diamond at the time, let's see if the activation works...
As for Goole, well, I get 60 meter accuracy at the best, that make ones totaly lost in a city and for sure miss a turn, what a pity.
Thanks again for ever so fast reply.

When Google Maps is started it is finding your position throught the carrier's network and that is why it is not acurate at all. There is an option however, named "Use the GPS" in goolge maps and it becomes as acurate as any other navigation software It just have to engage an GPS lock as the others so do not blame google on this one Hence, you are not using the GPS when you get the inacurate positioning For the maps however you still have to be online But if you pay for your Garmin, iGo maps it would be that expensive and you can use it wherever you are ...

You absolutly right. i did use the "use gps" and it's accurate. The thing is that as heavy GPS user the lack of detailed info on google maps, and the inability to set the maps at your convinient (such as "track up" for example) it's nearly a secure way to go crazy while nevigating, specially off road...try to tilt your head to understand your position in real time when you turning and turning. Thanks for the gps tip.

I agree. Curent version of Google Maps is not suitable for navigation while driving indeed! It can help you get orientated sometimes or if you are looking for something big iGo and Garmin are in a whole new league of navigation sofware for now. However, the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM any time soon so we will have to stick to iGo, Garmin, TomTom and the others. I'm not using Google Maps for navigation at all by the way so It wouldn't be so difficult for me )

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the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM
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It's called google navigation, not google maps - and it seems to kill every GPS program available today (thank god).

hey guys,
on the same topic, but different nav software. i use iGO 8, can someone please tell me what the optimal setting are for port and baud rate? i did the auto-detect and the signal is a little on/off.
also... is there a way to get iGO 8 to use the HD2s compass? i like the stand-alone compass of the HD2, but i think it would be swell to be able to have iGO's compass function working aswell.
sorry if this has been discussed before, if there is another thread i should be reading... please direct me there.
thanks for all your help.
cheers.

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The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
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Eh, if I'm not wrong, that's agps at work.
It'll find you with the nearest base station. then slowly try to triangulate you. Normally, you'll be in an area with only 1 base station, so there's not much triangulation going on.
When I'm in city, it's pretty accurate. I get my approx distance within a couple of seconds, wait another 10 - 20 secs to get gps fix.

A-Gps and other things
A-GPS is just one thing: Assisted GPS. It is a toggle-- when you toggle it on, in your phone's settings, you will get the locational assistance of the cell towers. That is the towers them selves, two or more towers and your phone triangulate to give an approximation of your location. GPS also uses triangulation (derived from simple trigonometry equations) to determine your location and is much more accurate. In fact it can be ever more accurate as your device locks onto more satellites. I have found that the best thing to do is to turn off A-GPS. I don't know what it is but Googlemaps seems to have a terrible time locking onto satellites on Windows Mobile. But I have found, especially on Android 1.6 and above you get very rapid locks so long as you wipe out the telenav program. I strongly suspect that Google is undermining Windows Mobile in favor of supporting their Android system. They have turn by turn for Android but not for Windows Mobile and it seems like they are also building it not to lock sats nearly as well. You can force it to get moving by pre opening the GPS or other methods just prior to running google maps.
I think everyone should write google and tell them to fully support Windows Mobile (Phone)... T-Mobile is just about set to come out with the HTC HD2 in about a week (March 24th) and I intend to get one. I am not happy that it doesn't have a physical keyboard cloned from the Touch Pro 2, but I expect to like most of the rest of it.
Turning Location on is another thing. You are henceforth allowing all applications to know and your location. this can be helpful but it can also be a potential privacy risk. Of course it's easy to turn off and on. You might want to read the fine print.

Actually, I have a more basic question. Is there a soft "switch" or software application to actually turn the GPS on? On my HD2 I have a few GPS apps and all of them report the GPS being on or "no GPS Device found". Even Goggle maps, if I siwtch to USE GPS mode, keeps endlessly waiting for a GPS signal and then nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks much

Gps htc hd2
In my experience with windows mobiles and internal gps, manage gps automatically is best and no ports should be assigned at all unless using bluetooth gps receiver! Also, sounds crazy too many but no every location on this big earth is withing available to public gps devices gps satelite paths (satelites going around the earth!) Make sure your outside the house or flat before thinking your gps ain't picking up. My hd2 is fast, my old mda3 was too and worked better inside but thats down to i was living in a different location at the time and at an higher altitude i would say. 1 of many other reasons could be that the military could be using the sat at the time which would render it unavail to public (offline)!