Anyone know if the new keyboard that comes with the updated X7510 will fit and connect to the original HTC Advantage. If it does, I wonder if they might sell it as an accesorie for the original owners.
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Anyone know if the new keyboard that comes with the updated X7510 will fit and connect to the original HTC Advantage. If it does, I wonder if they might sell it as an accesorie for the original owners.
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I doubt they will be for sale, but not sure if it will fit. I say I doubt this because they don't sell the X7500's now, unless you're lucky to buy parts on ebay or something like that. I really do need a new Keyboard for my as the view display's become a bit scratched. On the new one I would just put clear scotch tape on it before I start using it.
I am pretty sure i saw a link to a shop that sell the silver keyboard around these forums,do not ask me where, just came across it, no sure about the black one though, Ill love that parts were more available I'm after a touch pad myself.
Yes, I did the scotch tape thing as well (I noticed the clear plastic getting really scuffed very quickly) seems to be working ok so far.
Cheers
BR
I think the display is smaller on the new Keyboard, than they are on the X7500's but as far as connectivity I don't know if they are similar. I myself could use a new keyboard too.
im 99% sure they will fit. not sure if it will completely work though. the display is a bit smaller since the edges serve no function so they decided not to make it long but instead just have the plastic/glass the size of the screen.
the devices are the same size and dimensions so the size of the keyboard will be the same. connector should also be the same too so i'd say itll all work with just a few mods to the rom so it uses the mapping of the new keyboard.
I've already written and emailed htc a couple of times, suggesting they sell the new keyboards or at least the old ones for replacements. My main argument is that its a given the keyboard, if used, will wear out before the device. Surely, as expensive as our athenas are, they don't actually expect one to buy an x7510 just to replace the keyboard. Haven't heard from them, its been over a month, but what can you do? I would suggest others to at least send them an email. I don't know their thoughts, but it doesn't seem that this would hurt their business any. It would take a fool to buy the x7510 over nothing but a worn-out keyboard.
On a side note, my dollar sign now religiously inputs an underscore. Anyone else experiencing this issue, or know what might cause this?
weaselcossey said:
I've already written and emailed htc a couple of times, suggesting they sell the new keyboards or at least the old ones for replacements. My main argument is that its a given the keyboard, if used, will wear out before the device. Surely, as expensive as our athenas are, they don't actually expect one to buy an x7510 just to replace the keyboard. Haven't heard from them, its been over a month, but what can you do? I would suggest others to at least send them an email. I don't know their thoughts, but it doesn't seem that this would hurt their business any. It would take a fool to buy the x7510 over nothing but a worn-out keyboard.
On a side note, my dollar sign now religiously inputs an underscore. Anyone else experiencing this issue, or know what might cause this?
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if the x7500 has the keyboard out then the x7510 should have its keyboard available sooner or later. im sure a few will still ditch the new keyboard and we can buy it off them.
list of advantages for the 7510 keyboard?
Does anyone have a complete list of benefits for using the new keyboard on our old system? or any possible word on getting a backlit version for our future?
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Bob
does it work
hate to bring up an old topic but im rather interested if anyone has tested using an x7510 keyboard on a x7501?
and if so, is there anywhere i can buy just the x7510 keyboard.
thanx
It will fit, but sorry, it won't work.
fair enough
thanx for the update
i might sell my 7510 keyboard, if i find no use for it
since i can type directy into the LCD screen itself
I plan to use the 7510 plain without the keyboard, and customizing it for full finger touch much like the iphone but waaaaaay better.
well if you sell the X7510 keyboard i'm interrested
it is working
PashaK said:
hate to bring up an old topic but im rather interested if anyone has tested using an x7510 keyboard on a x7501?
and if so, is there anywhere i can buy just the x7510 keyboard.
thanx
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Looks a bit strange to me what cktlcmd is writing above.
I just got a new X7510 for testing and the new keyboard is working quite well with my old X7500 ... say out of the box.
Measures are just the same and fits like the old one.
The touch vibration feedback is also functional.
Letters and most command keys as they are on the old keyboard, work quite well. For the rest you'll have to remember the strange key positioning from the old days of X7500
To fix this, I think only thing you'll have to do is change some system setting due to the different key mapping.
Then this threat may be the one to start with:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323790
To look at : 2. Redefining the layout of the built-in hardware keyboard (thumbboard)
I've not done something of this kind yet but will take a further look at it in next time.
To compare with cktlcmd, I have an original WM6 german ROM. May X7500/X7501 make a difference? I don't think so.
so long
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Looks a bit strange to me what cktlcmd is writing above.
To compare with cktlcmd, I have an original WM6 german ROM. May X7500/X7501 make a difference? I don't think so.
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How can it be working for you when there is a dedicated number row in the X7510?
You mentioned a thread for reassigning some buttons, then it's not working well. If to you that is functional, well to me that is crap.
works good with MagicKB lite, for full use wait the driver and kernel patches
Yes, you are right. I had not tested so far. Remapping wont do it all since there are still buttons which are not recocnized by the system.
These includes the whole number row on top as well as the "Caps", "Sym" and "Message" key.
Also "/" is a hardware button for the left screen function key, so you can not use it for something else.
But:
I found the nifty programm MagicKB lite which adds the abbility to handle different kinds of keystrokes. You can additionally add key functions by double klicking the key and hold the key. Time delay can be set individually.
That means you can put the whole number row one step down saying holding the key means the number above and double klicking the key means the special character above.
For example holding down "Tab" results in "1", "Q" results in "2", "W" results in "3" usw.
Similary double klick "Tab" to get "!" usw.
In addition
+you wont need "Caps" since you can also use "Fn+Shift"
+you wont need "Message" since it is same used with "SMS/MMS"
+you wont need "Sym" since it is same used with "Fn+Space"
It might be useful to leave the hold function for "backspace" blanc and map "Fn+Backspace" instead. Who needs "Del"? And so you are still able to erase multiple characters with holding "backspace".
However, it may also not work for all apps. I found the telephone app does not recognize the numbers typed this way
But all in all it is still a good alternative to the old fashioned keypad
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MagicKB lite is also usefull since it has ability to get the key codes for almost every key on the device including hardware keys (except power button) and has also a list of every predefined codes.
With this you could map every key to everything.
But since they more often use macro codes with a multiplier 0x10 it's not usefull to use it for key mapping, because it's not able to map those macro codes however.
But the real surprising comes when getting the codes for the hardware buttons since most are macro versions and they are all linked to each other in a certain manner.
Now I have coincidentally count the number of keys from each keyboard.
The new one has 7 keys more then the old one.
That's exactly the number of missing hardware buttons in the new X7510 version.
Maybe there's a greater meaning behind the missing hardware buttons and they sacrificed it in order for the new keyboard
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Maybe there's a greater meaning behind the missing hardware buttons and they sacrificed it in order for the new keyboard
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yes, the Xscale processor has only so many GPIO's.
(also, even if it has some spare free GPIO's, I'm not sure HTC wanted any extra trouble of getting those to work)
yes, htc stupidly hooked all the keys and buttons up to GPIOs instead of abstracting them via some proper solution
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I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more
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I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more
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even the hardware keyboard isn't that good compare to Universal, i still find it quicker compare to the soft keyboard.
Does anybody know anything technical about the KB? It should be possible to make our own keyboards for the Athena if we can just find out a little about it.
Imagine a small clip on adaptor that sticks to the bottom and has a PS2 socket on it
I've considered making a magnetic ribbon cable for "detached" use. Where you hold the keyboard in your hand and it's connected to the Athena via a magnetic cable that attached to the two components. Not sure if this would be worth anything to anyone out there but it should be VERY easy to make.
I also wondered if there was support for a docking station like use, with charger and keyboard plugged in, so you pop the athena into it and it charges as well as connects the KB.
You dont suppose the kb is actualy just USB do you?
I think some kind of slide down qwerty keyboard similar to the hermes / spv m3100 would be great. That way the keyboard could clip on the back of the Ameo and then the keyboard could slide out? if you get me?
The magnetic keyboards great if your at home, or in the office, but out and about its not practical.
I do agree that the software keyboards pretty good with large keys, thats what i use.
Yes, a slide out KB could easily be incorperated into a clip on protective case. In fact, you wouldnt need a new bk. Just mount the existing one into the slide part of the case, where the case would have a ribbon cable to make the connections.
There is a HUGE market for third party KB mods for the Athena, HTC really missed a trick here by not having some alternate kbs ready at launch.
For example, why doesnt the Dock have a KB? or a KB socket? Jeez, its not hard to put a ps2 socket in the dock, or a slot to put the normal Athena KB into it!
How about a large full size KB with Athena connector in it...
have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.
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have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.
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Do you mean TenGo??? Dude you had me searching the wrong thing on Google because I didn't want to be lazy and ask for a link. LOL
Check spelling bro.
Here's a link for those that want to look into his suggestion
http://www.tengo.net/4100/tengokeybd_sipintro.html
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have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.
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Hi eaglesteve.
Do you have a link to this software or developer info etc please? can't seem to find anything when googling for it.
Cheers.
No worries found it. Thanks for the heads up.
http://www.tengo.net/tengo_pocketpc.html
ID64 said:
I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more
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Tere Igor
Have you tried any of the soft keyboard options out there?
TenGo is not as intuitive as it appears, but is smart software.
OK just given the TenGo SIP a good run for it's money tonight. It is a very nice lookin application that has real potential.....BUT....the learning curve is a major drawback IMHO and not worth the time to learn. Why do I say that?
Firstly, I/we use QWERTY keyboards of one type or another every day and wether it's afull sized USB PC keyboard or a slide-out PPC keboard or SIP based, the QWERTY principle really has left an intuitive mark on me at least over the years and learning a new system does not make much sense to me if it is not going to be everywhere....just on my Ameo.
2ndly, I have no time to keep checking if the predictive text has recognised the word I intended for it to type. I mean if you don't check what you're typing regularly, then by the time you've reached the end of your document/txt, you'll struggle to make sense of what you have typed yourself!
3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
Verdict? Perfect for those who write perfect english all the time and have the time to learn and train a new system,....BUT useless for those who already know what they want to type and just want it done quickly without spell checking every word as they type. It is very smart software indeed, but not natural or smart enough for the human mind. Gimme a larger SIP panel instead.
Not for me, but thanks for the heads-up.
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3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
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Same for me but for me it's the fact that I regularly communicate in a number of languages.
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OK just given the TenGo SIP a good run for it's money tonight. It is a very nice lookin application that has real potential.....BUT....the learning curve is a major drawback IMHO and not worth the time to learn. Why do I say that?
Firstly, I/we use QWERTY keyboards of one type or another every day and wether it's afull sized USB PC keyboard or a slide-out PPC keboard or SIP based, the QWERTY principle really has left an intuitive mark on me at least over the years and learning a new system does not make much sense to me if it is not going to be everywhere....just on my Ameo.
2ndly, I have no time to keep checking if the predictive text has recognised the word I intended for it to type. I mean if you don't check what you're typing regularly, then by the time you've reached the end of your document/txt, you'll struggle to make sense of what you have typed yourself!
3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
Verdict? Perfect for those who write perfect english all the time and have the time to learn and train a new system,....BUT useless for those who already know what they want to type and just want it done quickly without spell checking every word as they type. It is very smart software indeed, but not natural or smart enough for the human mind. Gimme a larger SIP panel instead.
Not for me, but thanks for the heads-up.
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Ha ha, that was my first reaction too. So I almost passed it up initially without giving it a fair chance.
This are the facts:
1. You have not given up your qwert keyboard. It is still functioning 100% as one. If you choose to press the precise position of each individual 26 keys, what u type on is also one of the words that can b selected. Therefore you can still use slang such as lol, gtg,brb,etc. C how I can intentionally use shortened words on this post?
2. It is to b thought is as a very forgiving qwert keyboard, because of the built-in intelligence. You can type in the exact spelling of your words, not just limited to the words in the dictionary.becausr while it tries to predict what you want to type, what you actually type also appears as one of the choices. Now you see why slang is not a problem?
3. the system is actually very smart in selecting the default hint word out of all the suggested ones. The default choice is the underlined and first hint word. You don't need to do anything in order to select it other than the space bar ( which u hve 2 anyway w normal qwert keyboard) The only difference is u need not be precise in typing. U merely hve 2 touch the correct keygroup. U got it?
I thnk u r really going 2 like it once u go thru the 3 min tutorial. THERE IS ALMOST NO LEARNING CURVE!
JUST WATCH YOUR TYPING SPEED FLIES!
btw, there is a known problem with tengo installation. You may have problem selecting this as the default sip, or even selecting it.
i'll find the thread later and post it here.
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btw, there is a known problem with tengo installation. You may have problem selecting this as the default sip, or even selecting it.
i'll find the thread later and post it here.
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Installation problems aside, I agree that one can write a very nifty speeds and that the learning curve can appear to be low. My point was that it is not natural, certainly not to me.
I see your point about being able to use slang, but as it will not be the default word selected, you have to select it yourself each time you use it or teach the database a new word (slang) in order for it to recognise it in the future.
If it works well for you eaglesteve that's great and I wish I was as capable at adapting as you are, but for me and possibly for others, I'm looking for a SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly. I know you know what I mean.
However as your experience has taught you, maybe one evenings worth of testing is not enough for me to dismiss it so easily. But then I have kept it installed for further testing alongside my usual SIP methods.
Thanks again for the heads up though.
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No worries found it. Thanks for the heads up.
http://www.tengo.net/tengo_pocketpc.html
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go here for free tengo:
http://free.tengo.net/
Go here for commercial versions"
www.tengo.net
It supports vga
You may use it exactly the same way as your old qwert board is you go choose.
But then,you'll right away realise that there is a much easier way....quicker... More flexible..enjoy.
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I see your point about being able to use slang, but as it will not be the default word selected, you have to select it yourself each time you use it or teach the database a new word (slang) in order for it to recognise it in the future.
I'm looking for a SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly. I know you know what I mean.
though.
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You don't have to teach the dictionary that the slang is a valid word. when you use it the first time, there will be an audio warning. But if you used it once, it automatically gets into the dictionary, and become just another normal word the next time you type it
Funny it is exactly because I want an SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly that I think tengo is the answer.
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Hi eaglesteve.
Do you have a link to this software or developer info etc please? can't seem to find anything when googling for it.
Cheers.
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http://www.tengo.net/
i deeply like the specification, but after i was flexible with my diamond's direction button, i was confucing with Touch HD, no direction button.
not every software can use like Oprea's touch feeling, many of the application do not support scroll.
guys, what did you think about the no direction button?
I think youll only miss it when you want to play certain games.
In fact this is one thing (absence of a d-pad) which is making me even consider the Xperia.
I use spreadsheets a lot. I really don't know how effieient it would be to use spreadsheets without a d-pad
Other small things such as using the smart dialer to send SMS messages. I just imagine when you press a few keys on the smart dialer and have a list of contacts how do you select a contact to send a text message to. I believe as soon as you touch the contact with your finger it will start dialing
I use the D pad to control audio, without having to pull out my device from my pants pocket. With the HD, I am giving that up, it's a huge negative. But I'm still going to go for it, love that big screen. If I had bought a iTouch or iPhone, I would have the same problem. Just figure out if you're willing to give it up or not.
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I use the D pad to control audio, without having to pull out my device from my pants pocket. With the HD, I am giving that up, it's a huge negative. But I'm still going to go for it, love that big screen. If I had bought a iTouch or iPhone, I would have the same problem. Just figure out if you're willing to give it up or not.
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I still hope that there will be a remote for earplugs to slip track and volume. Just for the normal 3.5 jack, like on the nokia phones.. I hope, because that'll be important for me.. Greez, cad^^
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I still hope that there will be a remote for earplugs to slip track and volume. Just for the normal 3.5 jack, like on the nokia phones.. I hope, because that'll be important for me.. Greez, cad^^
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There is a blue tooth headset clip that has the controls on it, and you plug in your headphone into the unit. We will have to see if you can plug into the 3.5mm plug and still use the BT device just for controls. That would be best of both worlds.
This is something I am afraid
I want to be able to play "most" games ...
Especially emulators ...
I saw iPhone has nice emulators with "virtual buttons" ... but I have never seen one in WinMo !!
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I think youll only miss it when you want to play certain games.
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I just imagine when you press a few keys on the smart dialer and have a list of contacts how do you select a contact to send a text message to. I believe as soon as you touch the contact with your finger it will start dialing
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It does... That annoys me no end. I can't drag a contact upwards to scroll - it dials them. In the "Last Called" list.
exe said:
I use the D pad to control audio, without having to pull out my device from my pants pocket. With the HD, I am giving that up, it's a huge negative. But I'm still going to go for it, love that big screen. If I had bought a iTouch or iPhone, I would have the same problem. Just figure out if you're willing to give it up or not.
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No you wouldn't - the iPhone has a dedicated volume control on the side, and a remote button for track skipping etc on the headset
I can honestly say that after a week with the iPhone, and an interface that's actually designed 100% around the touchscreen, I've never once missed the d-pad for anything. I doubt the same would be true of the Touch HD.
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In fact this is one thing (absence of a d-pad) which is making me even consider the Xperia.
I use spreadsheets a lot. I really don't know how effieient it would be to use spreadsheets without a d-pad
Other small things such as using the smart dialer to send SMS messages. I just imagine when you press a few keys on the smart dialer and have a list of contacts how do you select a contact to send a text message to. I believe as soon as you touch the contact with your finger it will start dialing
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SRMZ, +1
I still cannot decide which model to choose - X1 or HD - and now I am thinking more and more of getting an X1. I simply understand that the only thing about HD that I am going to really love and cream-my-pants because of is the 3.8" screen.
I think that HD is a perfect device for non-WM-addicts, for people who will use just TF3D-interface and Opera at most, without installing any tweaks/programs/registry-hacks/emulators/debuggers/consoles/younameit. Cause when you want to install one of them, you're in trouble - no hardware keys, no D-pad... Achtung!
One more thing I thought about.. Every phone has a kind of a "secret combination of keys", e g "turn-on-the-phone-holding-two-buttons-pressed-and-enter-diagnostics-mode". I wonder if the sensor buttons would do that?
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It does... That annoys me no end. I can't drag a contact upwards to scroll - it dials them. In the "Last Called" list.
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For devices with less hardware buttons, AEBPlus helped a lot. Would someone be kind enough to try it out to see if it helps at all? You can uninstall easily, at least I did on my Ameo.
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I'm another one on the X1 or HD trail. HD for screen, X1 for dpad.
Fortunately I'm with orange so I think I'll just get the HD and if i don't like it, send it back in the 14 day window and get the X1.
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I'm another one on the X1 or HD trail. HD for screen, X1 for dpad.
Fortunately I'm with orange so I think I'll just get the HD and if i don't like it, send it back in the 14 day window and get the X1.
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Same here... i can get the HD today if i want to, but still considering the Xperia...
Hrmmm....I was under the impression that the button area at the bottom of the phone (where the 4 buttons are) was touch sensetive and could be used for scrolling similar to diamond....is this not the case? That thing about not being able to scroll through call history scares me.....
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I'm another one on the X1 or HD trail. HD for screen, X1 for dpad.
Fortunately I'm with orange so I think I'll just get the HD and if i don't like it, send it back in the 14 day window and get the X1.
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As I will be buying it SIM free I am not sure if I get the 14 return option or not, though I thought that was in the UK law, but it's unclear on CPW's website.
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I'm another one on the X1 or HD trail. HD for screen, X1 for dpad.
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Exactly same trail i am stuck on. Unfortunately i just have one shot at it. Either the X1 or HD, and then stick with it atleast for an year before i change for a new one!
Ive got both.....much prefer the HD
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As I will be buying it SIM free I am not sure if I get the 14 return option or not, though I thought that was in the UK law, but it's unclear on CPW's website.
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Yes, it's called distance selling regulations or DSR. If you're unhappy with anything you've brought in the past 14 days unseen (ie mail order or online) you can return it under DSR. I believe they are allow to ask for a restocking fee but it can't be anymore than a certain % of the device cost. Google DSR for more info.
I'm very put off by the lack of hardware buttons. This phone can only be used two handed. If it had the same hardware buttons as the Hermes and Kaiser it'd be a killer device.
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I'm very put off by the lack of hardware buttons. This phone can only be used two handed. If it had the same hardware buttons as the Hermes and Kaiser it'd be a killer device.
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Dear Sir,
May I please have some of the coolaid you are drinking? The Touch HD occupies similar dimensions to that of an iphone....the iphone can be used with one hand - I do so on a regular basis - therefore what is it that has convinced you that one handed operation is not supported?
The missing D-pad has caused a bit of discussion. Some say it is completely unnecessary to have a D-pad, some say it is useless piece of device without it, some say the device is very difficult to use without it, while others say it is only a minor annoyance.
I would like to do this survey, and hopefully the design team in HTC will see the result and take it into account when designing the successor to Touch HD.
For those who vote that the device is impossible to use or a major inconvinience, please explain your case to to support why you have voted that way. This is to give others the chance to help you find alternative ways of using the device, and perhaps increase your satisfaction.
Its the one thing i am really missing on my HD........
I don't have mine yet.
But when I had the SonyEricsson P900 and Nokia 7710, I didn't use the hardware buttons much.
Though not having an "enter" button could be an annoyance.
...Which DPad? can you please remind me, after two weeks of touch HD, why do you need a Dpad and for what?
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Though not having an "enter" button could be an annoyance.
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It should be possible to re-map any of the other buttons to "enter" ???
Also, at first I voted 'important', but then I considered the only times I really used the D-pad was for browsing and for some games, which I haven't been playing for a long time.
After all I think basically everything could be managed by using fingers or stylus.
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...Which DPad? can you please remind me, after two weeks of touch HD, why do you need a Dpad and for what?
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Well I like it in Pocket informant contacts, the work around is to open the sip as this has the left, right, up, down, enter, just wish I could have those keys with out the Letters.
Maybe on a rainy day somebody will modify the Keyboard files and save it as a D-pad Keyboard.
That way you could swap the keyboard from standard to DPAD over the up icon at the bottom middle of the screen (the setings menu).
I didnt like it at the start, but Im not use to using it without it and I dont miss it anymore.
I got into a royal rumble with some psychos (who wanted to convince me that the lack of TV-OUT is worse than Armageddon) earlier so I will just post a few points I used previously:
1. If I am using a TOUCH screen I don't expect to NEED a D-pad.
2. If I am using a NON-TOUCH phone, then by all means, I am going to need a D-pad.
I can't be any clearer than this.
Now, if I do need a D-Pad then either:
A.) I don't understand the concept of a TOUCH screen.
B.) I play games like a 4 year old on my $1,000 SMARTphone.
C.) The screen sensitivity sucks and the software sucks even more.
C is on the manufacturer- if I just bought a TOUCH-screen phone and I NEED a D-Pad then they have F'n failed miserably. And I guess I have failed as a consumer for not doing my research.
These are MY thoughts, since you asked.
Back in the ipaq days, those units came with a sleeve you can attach for for example, a keyboard, CF expansion slot etc.. I wonder if there can be a USB expansion for a Dpad?
a soft d-pad
a d-pad works well when using the phone single-handed where you need the more precise control.
As suggested above a "soft" d-pad would probably be just as good, especially with haptic feedback and large buttons... anyone...?
A Soft-D-Pad would be excellent.
All device should have a dpad
Every time I see a device without a dpad I shake my head because it always looks as if a 5way would have fit in nicely. Its retarded to eave it out for looks! It is such a pain to navigate a cursor threw text with your finger.
Remembering my P900 days, that six-way wheel thing on the side was pretty nice.
They could have done something like that.
I have no necessary use for a dpad with my customized rom & apps...
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I have no necessary use for a dpad with my customized rom & apps...
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Why is that? In what way does the customized rom & apps help?
From my perspective, I missed D-pad only in mails application, MP3. In your rom, how is navigating from mail to mail, from mail account to another account, screen blanking and unblanking, song skipping done?
Appreciate you sharing these tips with us. Thanks.
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Every time I see a device without a dpad I shake my head because it always looks as if a 5way would have fit in nicely. Its retarded to eave it out for looks! It is such a pain to navigate a cursor threw text with your finger.
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Are you refering to things like page up, page down of a document? Do you not have FtouchFLO, FtouchSL and stuff like that to do the same thing? I don't use D-pad for things like these.
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A Soft-D-Pad would be excellent.
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I suppose if the D-pad is not a soft keyboard the use of which involves changing the keyboard first, then it would be okay. If it is a soft keyboard, then I think it is not worth the trouble.
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Back in the ipaq days, those units came with a sleeve you can attach for for example, a keyboard, CF expansion slot etc.. I wonder if there can be a USB expansion for a Dpad?
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Then what? You have something dangling out from the HD's USB port?
For the four posters who said HD is useless without the D-pad, would you mind describing what applicatoins and what you were trying to do that were made impossible due to the lack of D-pad?
Thanks and cheers.
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Are you refering to things like page up, page down of a document? Do you not have FtouchFLO, FtouchSL and stuff like that to do the same thing? I don't use D-pad for things like these.
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I do not mean page up or page down. I think it is difficult to place and move a cursor threw text such as when you are editing a few words here and there in a document.
I just wasted close to a thousand US$ on the most brain damaged SmartPhone ever constructed by HTC - and they've got a lot of brain damaged products to show for.
For one, that IDIOTIC keyboard they got built in there NEVER,EVER lets me finish what I'm typing.
IT allways(!) ends up "correcting me" in mid word and 99% of the time, it corrects it wrongly.
It simply exchanges one letter for another and I'm sure is darn proud of itself while doing it.
And no, I already tried disabling "auto-correction" in the device input options, and it doesn't change a thing.
This is just a moronic design!!!!
How the f$#! can I get that plain old & boring Windows Mobile keyboard to work on that thing?!
Then try TouchPal Pro. But for me, I prefer HD2 native keyboard. The T9 mode is useful.
I'd recommend calibrating the screen (with your thumbs, as if you're using the phone), and just slow down and get used to it. It does take a while, but I can type very fast with it now and very rarely make mistakes. The keyboard takes a lot of practice, but is worth it.
I have T9 mode on and auto-correct off. I like to have suggestions, but don't like it forcing words on me. It usually gives me the correct word by the time I'm half way through typing it, so this obviously speeds up typing.
Incidentally, T9 rather eerily learns how you type. It seems to adapt to your typing style as you go along, so stick with it, or just turn it off completely if you want no suggestions at all.
Deactivate T9 on the keyboard.
I didn't feel happy with the original keyboard, too.
Tried Resco keyboard 5.23.
Now i have a better accuracy.
If you must do the tap tap thing... Touchpal 4.0.... however, I find that Swype is the best and really really fast.... it's almost like magic...
Yes... turn off T9....
HTC HD2 Keyboard is KILLING ME!
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Then DIE or use the forum SEARCH!
T9 is supposed to learn your "style", you can't expect it to correct everything right without you teaching it first.
Dont run just yet
You shouldnt need to change ur keyboard... i tried Swipe and i think its really good but still can use the HTC at top speed with T9 and correction on
Things to try first
1.Recalibrate
2.Install 3.3 Cab from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
3 if you dont want to reduce sensitivity just add a screen protector takes away about 3-5% of sensitiveness
Thats all I have done and i dont dread sending texts anymore
Hope this helps
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Then DIE or use the forum SEARCH!
T9 is supposed to learn your "style", you can't expect it to correct everything right without you teaching it first.
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Your heart warming reply was so (not) helpful that it makes me appreciate the other responses which contain actual hints - rather than mindless insults - that much more.
Thanks once more (for nothing)
And by the way, I specifically stated that I did not want *anything* to be auto corrected - as I can correct myself a lot faster if I don't have to correct the keyboard first all the time.
Sorry, but there are countless threads about the keyboard. If you're not able to search before you open another one, then it's your fault if you get resposes like this.
Same for your stupid thread title. Make a proper thread title, use the search and you won't get such responses.
And if you disable T9 and autocorrection, then it won't correct you. If you're still not able to type, then it's your fault. It doesn't exchange letters just for fun. It's you pressing the wrong keys.
This is just a moronic design!!!!
How the f$#! can I get that plain old & boring Windows Mobile keyboard to work on that thing?![/QUOTE]
Try the Swype keyboard!
See that T9 switch at the left of the keyboard? Press it. Problem gone.
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...I just wasted close to a thousand US$ on the most brain damaged SmartPhone ever constructed by HTC -This is just a moronic design!!!!
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Understand your anger and frustration if the you are not getting on with the device but a couple of points:
- There are a lot of people (not all) who are happy with their device and have found solutions to the keyboard issue (some suggestions in this thread) so the problem might be your technique perhaps?
- Also, given that you spent nearly $1K on this device, did you not test one out thoroughly first BEFORE buying it? I can't see anyone being silly enough to spend that amount of money on anything, whether its a phone or a vehicle, before checking it out first?
Really interested in your answer to the 2nd question in particular.
Hopefully with the help you have been given here so far and if you take your time you will eventually be able to work with the device. I don't have the issues you have but where I have not been comfortable, adopting a solution off XDA, having searched first, has worked for me.
WB
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I recommend to use Swype.
die and prove it
superplayboy said:
die and prove it
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Way to go making friends on the forum superplayboy.
kengkaj.s said:
I recommend to use Swype.
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I totally agree with this. Whilst I don't hate the original keyboard I did find it a touch fiddly. Swype is fantastic IMO' a great idea and so easy to use.
I can sympathise with the frustrations here. I like using auto correct and am very familiar with all of HTCs onscreen keyboards, along with those of the omnia i8000, Galaxy and iPhone and I must say that although the HD2 keyboard isn't the WORST, it can be most frustrating, particularly when you need to type out a quick text. most of my problems stem from what seems to be poor prediction algorithms. let me say that I am no Apple fanboy, but this keyboard has a long way to go to be as excellent as that of the iPhone: often on here if I get ONE letter wrong at the start of the word it will be incapable of understanding what I'm trying to type, whereas if I get a letter wrong somewhere in the middle it'll be fine. another problem I have is that sometimes when sending an sms the cursor will magically jump to the top of the text and I will unwittingly start typing over the start of my initial sentence. Also if I go to delete a number of letters often the keyboard will have a fit and start throwing letters and paragraphs everywhere. I accept that this is probably my finger not being 100 percent accurate but surely it is also a sign that the keyboard is just TOO SENSITIVE, even with the patch installed. I never had this problem on the Hero, nor the iPhone - both of which have vastly smaller screens.
lastly i'd like that t9 button moved as its just TOO easy to catch without realising.
I accept that some people on here don't seem to have any problem, but perhaps you guys are too forgiving, and sometimes it takes a bit of a whine and moan to get things fixed. Like I said, I'm very familiar with onscreen keyboards and accept that there is a certain learning curve to all of them, but after nearly two months with a HD2 I'm starting to believe that this one is very flawed: given the massive screen real estate of the hd2 I believe there is no excuse for a flawed onscreen keyboard. remember, this is a CRUCIAL part of a device with no hardware input facility, and we should not (in my opinion) have to buy third party software to get an acceptable basic user experience on a handset built as a thoroughly commercial mass-media device.
Thats my two cents.
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Thats my two cents.
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I agree with both of those cents fully
Also with regards to the post a few posts up, I presume that the person who spent $1000 on a phone lives in America where a HD2 would be hard to come buy as its not actually out there yet? You can't really blame him for buying it without testing it, especially with all the rave reviews on hundreds of sites, none of which seem to mention the flaws such as the keyboard and terrible (seriously terrible) sms sending issue.
Actually I also think HTC keyboard is not very good. I will not recommend anybody to use it. Anyway different people have different experience.
If you don't like Swype, you can try Finger Keyboard I think it's better than the HTC Keyboard.
I also have problems with my keyboard but I suspect a hardware fault and I am going to return my phone.
When I type it sometimes selects (multiple) letters on the other side of the keyboard or around the key i pressed. It usually comes in "bursts"; sometimes its nearly impossible to typ. Nearly threw the thing out of a window. Its a good phone but my keyboard is ruining the whole thing. Also (thats more rare) it can begin typing on its own, selecting or opening programs, switching tabs without me touching the screen! I waited for a new ROM and tried various tweaks but it doesn't get any better
Hi,
I am a user of DesireZ for three months, after 2 years with G1, and so far I found it...even depressing (sic!), that the keyboard has no numbers row but only the combination of Fn + key.
How do you find it ? Any extra method of typing IP numbers for example ? or numbers with spaces e.g. +48 123 456 789 ? Please tell I me I get used to use it
Solution for me would be, and this is a question, there is a way to map two programmable keys to "space" and "comma". Possible ?
Cheers,
Whatlogin
I was a migrant from the g1 as well and found it hard to get used to at first. It isn't all that bad though considering you can press the fn key twice in succession and then the top row will work as a numbers row rather than letters. Apart from that, I don't have a solution sorry
I think I remember someone posting an apk in here that would show numbers row at the bottom of a screen as soon as you'd pulled out the keyboard in 'txt writing mode'. Mind you, it was way back in dec or jan... Try search?
I used to have it but it didn't work for me as I seem to remember it required root (I don't have that yet)
See if you find it, good luck
edit: I did find the file in my fone (!)
I take no credit for it nor responsibility whatsoever!!!
Sadly, I do not know who made that either (to credit them) but here it is...
good luck
Wow! TA for replies.
@HAK Devil: I know, but permanent Fn switch the "space" to XT9 and "." to ":"
@wolek76: this is exactly something that could sort out my needs. I should have been looking for G2 rather than DesireZ
Anyway - here is the thread regarding to whole idea and developer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813742
I haven't have a chance to have it working yet - but good to know I am not alone
Regards,
Whatlogin
You should keep your G1 as a backup phone incase the DZ goes wrong and you end up having to send it back for repairs. After 7 months the touchscreen on my old DZ kept sticking in one particular place and HTCs idea of "fixing it" was to kill 1/3 o fthe touchscreen, which was really annoying so after a month of heavy duty legal pressure (thanks to my partner), they coughed up a replacement.
Short version: I wouldn't ditch the rock solid G1 if I were you, it'll one day come in handy.
Hey I tried installing this and it wouldn't show up at all. Enabled it in keyboard settings, fixed permissions; nothing worked.
Has anybody gotten this to work? And have there been any updates on it?
One of the biggest probs I've had with this phone was the 5th number row. You do eventually get used to it, for the most part lol.
What keys did you have in mind for the swap?
Also, I think you may need root for this method to work. Are you rooted?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App
Even my old Nokia E70 had better keyboard than Vision/Desire Z has. That is so sad :-(
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Hey I tried installing this and it wouldn't show up at all. Enabled it in keyboard settings, fixed permissions; nothing worked.
Has anybody gotten this to work? And have there been any updates on it?
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It did not work with me as well, thought when it got updated to 2.3.3 it actually started working no problem. Still there is a problem with Fn and 'shift' keys. I have no root and I haven't change anything to my phone apart from allowing installations from other sources.
Regards
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One of the biggest probs I've had with this phone was the 5th number row. You do eventually get used to it, for the most part lol.
What keys did you have in mind for the swap?
Also, I think you may need root for this method to work. Are you rooted?
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Hi,
I am not rooted and as I mentioned - this does not work yet well. Check out also the thread I listed above. It is still being under development.
The two keys I was thinking about was the programmable keys that can be used for apps and so on.
I know I will get used to it. The easiest is type everything and come back to paste special symbols I guess like "ftp19216811://..." ha ha Maybe HTC want to make people stop writing like U2, sk8 is gr8, 4me and use proper language
Cheers!