I currently own an axim x51v. I was planning to switch to the htc advantage x7501, but have been waiting because of price. Since reading reviews on both the 7501 and 7510 it sounds like the 7510 is the better choice because of 16 gig flash rather than 8 gig hard drive and 'future' version of WM. However the keyboard seems like a turn-off. I have also read they removed some hardware buttons which isn't a huge concern to me. I will buy one of these devices in the future. Does anyone have advice (battery life, functional keyboard, anything to convince me to go with one over the other). also, has anyone heard price or US availability for x7510?
No one.....?
Anything.........?
I think X7510 is only availabe in Europe at the moment. If you're in US, you could only get X7501 instead of X7510. I would not think it is such a bad decision, here is why:
I would not discount the seriousness of the lack of buttons if I were you. For me the inconvinience is quite real. So much functionalities are now missing due to the missing hardware buttons. Just to describe a couple of them for your consideration:
- Without hardware button in MP3, you probably can't switch off the screen while the musics are being played. You can't change song with the button. To do anything, you have to take the device out of the belt pouch (instead of letting it stay in there) and use the touchscreen to control it
- If you're using say Tom Tom GPS system, and decides that you want to make a phone call. With X7501, you could just press the ok button to minimise tom tom, and use any other program you want before returning back to tom tom. Without such hardware button, you most probably exit tom tom to do whatever you want, then restart tom tom. How inconvinient!
You might want to be aware that there is an ongoing effort to change the microdrive in X7500/7501 into a 32GB SSD. If this turns out to be successfully, then there is no question in my mind that the modified device is way way superior to the X7510. X7501/7500 also has a larger battery, which is expected to last longer once we successfully upgrade to the SSD.
Excellent, first real feedback i've had on this topic in about 3 days and countless forums. When i first heard about the x7510, obviously i thought GREAT! this is the7501 with everything 'fixed.' As i mentioned earlier i was concerned about the keyboard. But the biggest turn off of the x7501 for me was the 8 gig hard drive, thought this would kill any chance of decent battery life especially with a 5" screen.
I definitely agree that a 32 gig SSD would put me to the X7501 all the way. Thanks for the advice. Any idea when we might see this upgrade?
I hate to disagree with you steve, but...I disagree on this specific point:
eaglesteve said:
- If you're using say Tom Tom GPS system, and decides that you want to make a phone call. With X7501, you could just press the ok button to minimise tom tom, and use any other program you want before returning back to tom tom. Without such hardware button, you most probably exit tom tom to do whatever you want, then restart tom tom. How inconvinient!
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You don't have to exit an application to use another one, just because you're missing some hardware buttons. In my instance, there are a number of ways around this issue:
1. I use Wisbar Advance 2, which has a show desktop link in its menu.
2. Also under WA2, I have one icon in the taskbar that also has the same function.
3. I configured the camera button to launch the phone app, since the camera is something I use so rarely.
Having said that, I fully agree that the missing buttons and especially the joystick is a big step back - my usage scenarios may differ from yours, but the extra input options are too useful to just drop, especially since they're more precise than using the screen.
Edit: Ugh, I forgot that GPS programs tend to be fullscreen, which means solution 1 and 2 wouldn't work. No 3 does though, although it means sacrificing one button for that alone. You could also get a button mapping program like AE Button Plus, which would multiply the use you can get out of one button.
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But the biggest turn off of the x7501 for me was the 8 gig hard drive, thought this would kill any chance of decent battery life especially with a 5" screen.
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It's hard to say whether the x7501 would have better battery life with a flash SSD drive since we have no direct means of comparison at the moment. I've had however compared the difference between an 8GB CF card and an 8GB MD in my previous PDA - the difference in battery life was about 5%-10% at most. I also saw some benchmarks a couple of years back on battery drain between a CF card and a MD, and the difference really only lay in one area - drive spinup. A CF card of course doesn't have a spinup mode, where the drive platters and head have to be powered and moved. In standby and in operation, the difference in battery drain between the two was minimal.
That calls into question whether caching of MD contents (for instance, when playing video), would really have an impact on saving battery life compared to forgoing caching completely, as the constant power-ups and power-downs may drain the battery faster than one power up and then constant use. To balance against that of course, is that its probably safer on the drive to cache, as the drive heads would most likely be parked if you drop the device, or bump it into something.
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I hate to disagree with you steve, but...I disagree on this specific point:
You don't have to exit an application to use another one, just because you're missing some hardware buttons. In my instance, there are a number of ways around this issue:
1. I use Wisbar Advance 2, which has a show desktop link in its menu.
2. Also under WA2, I have one icon in the taskbar that also has the same function.
3. I configured the camera button to launch the phone app, since the camera is something I use so rarely.
Having said that, I fully agree that the missing buttons and especially the joystick is a big step back - my usage scenarios may differ from yours, but the extra input options are too useful to just drop, especially since they're more precise than using the screen.
Edit: Ugh, I forgot that GPS programs tend to be fullscreen, which means solution 1 and 2 wouldn't work. No 3 does though, although it means sacrificing one button for that alone. You could also get a button mapping program like AE Button Plus, which would multiply the use you can get out of one button.
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I don't know about WA2. I don't use it and have no intention of having it. Similarly I do not intend to have AE Button. Assuming that AE button can perform the job of joystick (can it??) Most of us will not have it either. I do not want to sacrifice the camera, thank you. In fact, now I use the action button for camera, as this reduces blur.
What I'm saying is for the general situation.
I think while there may be work around if we explore hard, fact remains that it will not be as convenient anymore. I think you would agree with me that my point still stand - that having all the hardware buttons is far better than having just some of them.
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I think while there may be work around if we explore hard, fact remains that it will not be as convenient anymore. I think you would agree with me that my point still stand - that having all the hardware buttons is far better than having just some of them.
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Oh I don't disagree with you, just for that specific situation (which I had to clarify as well). I won't miss the extra buttons so much as I would the joystick, though.
How serious of an issue is the shock resistance of the 8 GB micro drive? I plan to carry the advantage on my hip, at least during summer months. I've never owned a mobile device with an actual spinning hard drive. What are some effects of this this thing getting bumped against a doorway? Even if the possibilty of swapping the micro-drive for 16 or 32 GB SSD, will this change cost more than the x7510? I'm still waiting for the x7510 to be released in US, whether I buy it or hopefully see a substantial price drop in the x7501. Right now i'm leaning towards the x7510. Any feedback on the micro-drive would be appreciated.
It has a shock sensor which protects the MD. I've dropped it a metre on my carpet before without problem.
If it is 32 gb with the hardware buttons at the same price or slightly more expensive than 7510, I'll still take X7501 anytime, if I'm doing the purchase myself. The keyboard does not come into the equation because it is really not needed at all for me. The hardware buttons are however very important. I can describe so many situations where I'll miss it very much, but I'll describe just one more there:
When using email (i have 5 email accounts), with the joystick, I can go from one inbox to another just by pusing the joystick In 7510 I think this is no longer possible. You would have to click menu->go to -> then click on the account that you wish to change to. With 7501, you just push your joystick to the right or left to go to the next/previous account.
Software wise, I'm sure we could get every single software that comes with 7510 into our 7500/7501. Powel is a great cook. You just watch what he can do.
Thanks for the feedback, eaglesteve. I'm still on the fence. I'm sure once the x7510 is released, and I see the substantial price difference, i'll go with the x7501. I am almost always away from my desktop, and consider a laptop too inconvenient. The keyboard is something I use quite often. i think I would enjoy the new keyboard, as my fingers get tired on my wife's at&t tilt. I use my mobile devices all day for surfing, e-mail, of course all the organizational stuff, and occasionally music,video, or games. However, as it often goes, money is a factor. I'll update when I make a purchase, and follow-up with my thoughts/regrets.
I will suggest to consider (in a business environment) X7500 and related as a perfect SECOND phone.
The problems IMHO are related to the MIC ("please say it again" is common in handsfree mode) and a LOUD sound from speakers (even at the minumum). Without BT headset is hard to use as primary phone. I use BT (Sony Ericsson Bluetooth HBH-DS970 - Headset) but many times I leave the X7500 in my room, and when I am back, without BT auto reconnect... my X7500 rings and is disconnected! Moreover I have to remember to charge BT too, I have disconnect problems in radio noisy environments,...
Wired headset? no thank's. I an really happy, but I have also the S620!
current expansys/uk prices:
X7500 - 634.95 GBP
X7510 - 699.96 GBP
£699.95, how much is that in U.S. dollars??
If you're going to use it notebook style,then you would need the keyboard. Go for the x7510. If keyboard is used, you will not miss the buttons. In mail, for example, you could use left and right arrow keys to move from accounts to accounts. It is people like me who use it as tablet that would miss the buttons.
It may take you some time to work out your OWN preferred way of using the device. With or without keyboard? With or without headset? What type of headset? What dpi? Which program launcher? Which office software? Which browser? I think the main thing is the open mindedness and willingness to experiment to get first hand knowledge of all possibilities. One of the ways will appeal to you personally the best.
eaglesteve said:
If you're going to use it notebook style,then you would need the keyboard. Go for the x7510.
It may take you some time to work out your OWN preferred way of using the device. With or without keyboard? With or without headset? What type of headset? What dpi? Which program launcher? Which office software? Which browser? I think the main thing is the open mindedness and willingness to experiment to get first hand knowledge of all possibilities. One of the ways will appeal to you personally the best.
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I fully agree, and plus remember: a 5' screen and fast data connection means remote connection to you Office/Home PC and a good experience in 800x600 resolution using logmein (available also for free) or something better (and not free)
I use it as PC remotely connected, and I use it "locally" as organizer, e-mail, web browsing, music/video player... My "office platform" business is done remotely, fast and SAFE (no really "critical" data/documents on the go) and I use VISTA or XP !
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£699.95, how much is that in U.S. dollars??
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about 1100 dollars
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£699.95, how much is that in U.S. dollars??
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about 1400
going at the rate of 2 usd-> 1 gbp
just a rough estimate, use xe.com to get a good one
rorydaredkign said:
about 1400
going at the rate of 2 usd-> 1 gbp
just a rough estimate, use xe.com to get a good one
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Looks like the same price as Dopod U1000 when it was first released early last year.
eaglesteve said:
- Without hardware button in MP3, you probably can't switch off the screen while the musics are being played. You can't change song with the button. To do anything, you have to take the device out of the belt pouch (instead of letting it stay in there) and use the touchscreen to control it
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Eaglesteve, how do you control your music player (which one) and how do you get the screen to actually turn off, mine always stays on limiting the battery life severely.
I agree with you on Tomtom, I use that a lot in the car and the OK button is great, my old Universal didn't work like that and was a pain.
Related
now that I've had the XDA II for a week...
what/when will the XDA III come out?
I'm pretty sure it will have:
1. faster CPU
2. more memory
3. WiFi
4. better screen (probably VGA resolution)
I hope it also have:
1.. GPS
2. WiFi
3. longer / bigger / optional battery
4. better camera
5. better software e.g. camera, pic id, ie, backup, ...
6. usable as a wireless in-house phone via bluetooth
What else do you guys expect?
Ummm,,, I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself. It isnt even out yey (XDAII) in most parts of the world. I mean, you might as well ask when is the XDAIV or XDAV coming out? Im sure all of your speculations will be addressed in some time to come.....
not to mention that iPaq is planning to release a whole new ppc rumored to be with even more capabilities than the xda2. heard about it while attending a techie conference in hong kong...they're planning to use the iPaq 5550 (the one with bluetooth, fingerprint bio-thingee, etc) as the base model. from there they're going to add a high res camera, phone edition, possibly gps, etc. so it may give xda a run for it's money as they try to overtake one another in terms of capabilities. that's the sad part about releasing your product ahead of the pack; it becomes the basis for releasing an improved product by reverse engineering. in any case, it'll be most interesting to see how the next generation ppcs will look like and how they will perform.
2 cents worth..
robson
I heard it's based on the 4xxx form factor (aka no more sleeves..ever).
And it will only have 64 MB of RAM.
Haha yeah right, the MDA II was rumored at one point to only have 64 MB of RAM, but it didn't come out with that. Gotta keep in mind, stuff is only rumors. Don't keep waiting around for that perfect device.
I'm happy with my XDA II for now, and if the H6000 comes out six months from now and is way better, well, then I got 6 months good use out of my XDA II, and I can decide then if I want to upgrade.
Those people saying "I'll hold off on the XDA II and wait for the H6000 cause I've heard it's so good, etc. etc." seem silly to me, because when the H6000 comes out, something else bigger (or smaller in the PDA world, lol) and better will be rumoredm and they'll be saying "I'll hold off on the H6000 and wait for the ______ because it's so good, etc. etc."
-arebelspy
if you think about for how long from the xda were released to the xda2 got here i say it's pretty hard to say what it will offer
it's hard to predict more so about the furture
maybe it'll have
wireless glasses / eye pad screen
maybe it'll have ESP interface
maybe it'll connect directly to satelites
maybe it'll give you a brain turmor after a few hours use
Maybe you can add "TV Tuner" and "CF Slot" in your list...
I reckon it will be 3g compatible.
3G, CF, TV
TV/FM tuner will be nice. Samsung already came out with something
like this in the far east, I think.
I'd guess the XDA III "information" will be here in 9-10 months,
and by then a CF card will be useless, especialyl if we get WiFi+GPS
builtin and standard 1Gb SD cards.
If you guys think that HTC engineers aren't already working on
the XDA III, you're very wrong.
I think 3G is unlikely to show up on a global form anytime soon.
Adding WiFi and/or GPS receiver to already GSM/Bluetooth signals
is going to be hard enough, electorically (shielding), so 3G might
be 2-3 years away.
Hopefully, with WM2004, we'll have more than 32 processes and
better overall device management. Right now, I'm forced to
soft-reset every 2-3 days, and I don't like that.
Man, I soft reset every few hours. What's the big deal? It boots up as fast as it would load a webpage, so the wait isn't that bad.
Why do people complain about soft resetting? I just like that I get to choose when to soft reset (i.e. after saving all work, closing all apps, etc.), rather than it locking up and forcing a soft reset. The XDA II is a stable device, to be sure.
-arebelspy
Rudegar said:
maybe it'll have
wireless glasses / eye pad screen
maybe it'll have ESP interface
maybe it'll connect directly to satelites
maybe it'll give you a brain turmor after a few hours use
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seriously -> LOL
btw...i think i already have a brain tumor, right above my right ear :shock:
regarding soft reset
he he. Maybe I should soft-reset every now and then.
My problem is, I've had ie+multie+battery2004 create some lockup
that soft-reset didn't really cleanup.
I suspect I pressed the mult-ie func-menu while a page was loading
and something more was going on... anyway:
I had to Hard-reset.
I restored my xBackup from my SD (night before, device was soft
reset and no active apps while running)
and guess what, after the restore the device won't reboot.
tried it twice. had to go back to activesync backup... yak.
I've had multiple times where I had to soft-reset while an app was
active, but the menu has gone "dead"... I turn the device off,
then press reset, as if "when it is sleepy" a soft reset is "safer".
I'm pretty sure this is just vodoo... but it works for me.
Now everytime I soft-reset I wonder if I ever going to see it reload...
Hi mgolanlan!
It's some off-thing, but can you write a key for MultiIE3 to me?
I'd be so happy
Thanks!
mgolanlan
well since a 3g phone works on the current gsm networks aswell
same thing with edge i dont find it all that unlikely that xda3 may support some of these new tech's
guess in many ways it also depend on ms's view on edge and 3g and video phone issues
btw...i think i already have a brain tumor, right above my right ear
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hhmmm are you sure that you just dident forget to take off your bluetooth ear piece ? sleeping with it on may cause an uncomfortable ache
All the above and
It will have a find OBL/Saddam/hackers button
Make world peace
be 2mm thick
only occasionally crash when making a phone call, or syncing to outlook.
:roll:
It will of course be much smaller, 1"x1", but compensate this with a (foldable) 15" display :wink:
my exp show that things which fold end up as
1 worn out so it'll not stay in any pos
2 the plastic breaks (happent 2 times with crap acer laptops for me)
so it's better to project the image then fold it out
VGA screen ?
WM2003 specs say 240x320. No more, no less !
Maybe next version of OS will allow other rezs, but for now it will remain 240x320.
so what ?
xda1 came with 2002
xda2 came with 2003
xda2 will come with XXXX???
kitarolivier said:
VGA screen ?
WM2003 specs say 240x320. No more, no less !
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1. it is official that wm2004 will support higher resolutions
2. 3rd party software already does, for PDFs, IE etc
3. a Toshiba pocketPC already avail with VGA res,
and it is typically run the 4-pixel-is-one thing, but has
exceptions for some software (pictures?!)
VGA-resolution ppc-size screen is already here!
I personally will not be happy until my PDA is a tiny, rounded stainless steel implant with a small cable that inductively couples to my optic nerves, a pickup coil for the charger mat that is under my bed-sheets, another tiny cable to hook to my inner ears for mike and earpiece, and some pickup electrodes to be fitted near certain regions in the brain.
Man, I can just see myself sitting there, enjoying the 4800x2400 stereo overlayed display, simply thinking my E-mails. And of course the device would use the same inductive optic-nerve pickup as a camera, and it would have enough processing power to replace people and objects I do not like in real-time, add nice works of art on otherwise boring surfaces, and add up all visual information about certain people until they can be renedered without their clothes on. Just think of the money saved on home decoration and travel.
Okay guys, this is serious. I'm impressed by my JasJar but i'm not sure it does anything more that i actually need it for than my Imate Jam. As far as I can see there are some good points and some bad points about it and i wouldn't mind some opinons about whether its worth keeping or selling.
Okay my first view on the plus sides:
Screen is excellent quality
Wifi is very fast and much faster than the wifi sd card i have at the moment.
Keyboard is useful combined (but not as big as the fold out one i have for my imate)
Negative Sides:
3g doesn't seem to work in my area so i can't seem to benefit from that
Size is big (i would need a second phone to go out with etc)
Can't see much difference in speed with my level of usage
Pain in the ass to anwser it (imate jam is not a big phone at all)
Software is still a bugger to install etc.
Okay, my mine uses for the jasjar were to be for work. I would be booking appts and keeping track of those appointments and information regarding them on the pda for my work. Although harder to type in, i could in theroy do that on the imate jam. I don't use the wifi alot outside of the home (although it would be useful to use mirc, the web etc while girlfriend is on the pc).
At the moment i'm umming and ahhing because i have to take the phone with me everywhere (actually considering using the jasjar sim free while i'm off work and putting the imate jam back on the road as it were)
REALLY appreciate anyones help to this, its good but i'm not sure if its enough of a step for me to merit not selling it and getting ALOT of money for it (brought as upgrade through o2)
Look forward to the replys
Ian
I'm gonna tell you what I tell other people:
If you don't know what to do with a jasjar then buy the wizard.
The wizard size is as good as big as the jam, has wifi, keyboard and is in those ways much better then the jam.
The reason I need the pro is because I love the vga screen, keyboard and WM5, and I can give support to my customers through logmein.com using 3G.
So sell your jasjar and jam and go buy a wizard.
thanks for the quick response. I'm not sure that I would want a wizard really. I do think that I need to use the exec in a work situation before really considering getting rid of it.
That logmein.com looks rather cool, would like to be able to control my home pc while at work to setup downloads etc. the screen on this is rather special and i'm not against getting a second handset to use for going out etc.
would like to hear anyone elses views if possible.
just to point out to you and myself really i'm lying in bed writing this on the forum with real ease via wifi. hmmmmm another pro to the exec I think!
Ian
thanks for the quick response. I'm not sure that I would want a wizard really. I do think that I need to use the exec in a work situation before really considering getting rid of it.
That logmein.com looks rather cool, would like to be able to control my home pc while at work to setup downloads etc. the screen on this is rather special and i'm not against getting a second handset to use for going out etc.
would like to hear anyone elses views if possible.
just to point out to you and myself really i'm lying in bed writing this on the forum with real ease via wifi. hmmmmm another pro to the exec I think!
Ian
I've tried both, and apologies for readers of this forum, but the Wizard wins hands down. The Universal reminds me of why I ditched the first Ipaqs and went back to Palm years ago. Sure the Pocket PCs had better displays and you could show off playing movie clips, but that novelty soon waned when it was too big to carry and it took ages to lookup a phone number or check your diary.
You've got to weigh up what you _really_ need when you're away from your PC. The whole point to me of having a PDA is that I can access or update my information quickly at all times. The Ipaq seemd to be always at home or in my desk drawer just when I needed it, because it was a pain to carry. Even when I had it, it was sluggish finding the information I needed. The Palms won over because they went with me everywhere, and information retrieval was almost instant.
So, the Universal is a step back to the bad old days - except it's bigger and heavier. Good to show off with but impractical in most situations outside of the work environment because of its bulk.
Don't be fooled by the CPU either. Whatever advantage the Universal has on paper over the Wizard is sapped in real life by the need to update the VGA display. True, the Wizard is no speed merchant (even when compared to a Treo). But I found responsiveness to critical tasks (e.g. starting up Messaging to read/send a text, screen rotation, answering calls) significantly slower on the Universal - and that _really_ starts to annoy when you're in a rush.
So, everything I did with the Universal I can pretty much do on the Wizard, with the big difference that I can take it anywhere. Anyhing else can wait until I'm back at my PC. What's more, I can actually see who's calling and answer a phone call before it drops or diverts to voicemail
And don't forget the resale value. Given the trend of HTC Wizard / Prophet / Atom devices, the longer you hold onto the huge Universal the less saleable it's going to be. Sure, it fills a niche at the moment, but in 12 month's time, is a 1st generation device that big going to have anything but collectors' appeal?
So, unless you only use the Universal in the home and office, the larger keyboard and VGA display are"must haves", and you don't mind missing the odd phone call, then I would say the Wizard was the better bet.
If you really need a VGA display, a keyboard, and top performance, go for a proper PDA like the Dell X51v, a bluetooth keyboard and a seperate cellphone - it'll probably be cheaper, more flexible and easier to carry. And each element will work much better at what it is designed to do.
@Ineedtoys, what a refreshing and objective view on the subject. Having owned a Treo 650 and Clie TH55 I know what you're talking about. In the real world stability, size of device and battery life are still the key requirements and showing your latest toy to friends/work colleagues etc is nice but for most people is not a sufficient reason for buying a device. You either buy a device to meet a personal requirement or buy a device so that you can play with it "like a toy". Decide if you want a real tool or a "toy" first and then you'll be happy with your decision.
My view is that the Universal is not really a cell phone, it is an advanced PDA/mini tablet and you need to use it with another cell phone. The story for the Wizard may be different.
At first I always open the screen and rotated it to see who is calling me, and pick up the phone. Just like my old xda has it's screen outside.
But this take way to long, and most of the time the caller hung up before it was ready to rotate the screen and is able to pick up the call..
Now I just open the lid to see who it is. then close it again and pick up with the side green phone button leaving the pro closed.
If you use it this way i'ts perfect.
At first I had to get used of the size but now I am used to it.
People sometimes think: what the hell is that big thing?
But when I op the "laptop" and rotate it's screen and show the phone it's the coolest thing they've seen .
very interesting reading
Ihave a Universal (o2) for a week now, and am SERIOUSLY thinking of returning it for something else,
I like the Mini s (Wizard) too, but one subject that I believe is left aside is the battery life : with the Universal that I have tested for over a week if I did use the Wifi like 2 hours and a bit of BT and phone, then its battery would be gone by 5pm (starting at 9am !) quite a shame.
My point is : do these devices need to be pluged to the AC anytime we want to use to use the connexions, in that case I can stick with my laptop if need to be wired.
Or is it ony the Universal that is amazingly sucking the battery like no other ?
I appreciate your help as I have to decide if I send it back before friday ! ;-)
Re: very interesting reading
I presume you tried turning the screen brightness and WiFi power right down, and IR beaming off? The Wizard will definately give you longer as it doesn't have the battery sucking screen and has the low power OMAP processor.
The battery life in the Universal seems to get conditioned after a couple of weeks and does improve, but you don't have enough time to wait for that!
already better after 8 days
in fact I have noticed that it is getting better after a week (the battery),
but it's only because I now used the wifi only when I know I have a power nearby and I disable all connexion when I have it in my pocket, same for the brightness etc...
still.. the second point to change it is definately the size : I already have a tablet-pc to play with, so that will do it for now.
Back soon on this forum with the Wizard. :lol:
ill take your universal for my wizard
Hi, Great forum people, at least you get the chance to write up your thoughts.
My first Post on this site, and my initail thoughts.
I got an Ameo as an upgrade to my "MDA PRO" from T-Mobile. It looks like a UMPC but not quite there. I second all your thoughts on the device. One thing that is "interesting is the motion sensor" i.e. you can move around the web browsers via tilting the machine, but a bit like my PS3 Motion Sensor Games it gets a bit of getting use to so I tend not to use it.
Another useful thing above the MDA was the little 5 way joypad which is useful if you don't feel pulling out the pen. But this is definitely a Two Hands Device.
I always try and get the most techie gadget from my Tmobile as possible, the odd view I know but I dont actually believe this is a useable phone, so I still use my trusty SONYp900 with rubbish battery.
Although I must admit the MDA pro battery is pretty bad, that I upgraded to a larger and thus more bulkier model.
So Far I have been impressed with the Ameo's battery - life and as others have commented that the usb charging takes longer from Laptop/PC than the official adapter included. But alas I think after using it it will only really last a day at most … so I have to carry a charger with me if at work etc.
One thing I am confused about is that T-Mobile - I never had any Composite out / S-VHS output cable - just a VGA cable, not sure if this is standard or misinformation I did however had VGA out - it would have been nice to show family pics when travelling etc on family TV's at times.
For me this is exactly as you said a Filofax that BT headset would be useful for making calls. I use it to do exactly "work" related diarycalendar and massive contact list, and keep documents hat I am working on within for reference, must get a Blue Tooth keyboard that sounds useful.
Use the MDA PRO keypad was actually quite tactile and useable, this Ameo however is a very ZX80 "showing my age". but that being said I did edit my CV quite easily.
I would like to say when I saw the screen size I was impressed but the resolution is a let down, I think its more to do with WM5 rather than the device I presume but not sure of the Technical on this.
This machine is just screaming to be a LINUX machine with Phone and GPS built in, open office and more etc, utilising the screen size to a better effect. Dunno just a thought.
WM5 is not really eye candy in pink, so this is a let down, if not embarrassing, some peopel out there would slap you if you answered the Ameo in public so BT is useful and Hands free a necessity.
It "could" make a useful recorder for meetings. Also useful that it has a 3MP Camera, I took some shots and all were useful, but the device is slow and tedious and simple camera's are better Although it has stretched the boundaries i.e PDA/Phone etc. (noting the Nokia N95)
One thing is that it requires you to have a very steady hand or need to be leaning against something to take a top quality shot that again needs to be Still, I got tried of asking my 3 year old lad to hold still ;-) and did not even try with my fast crawling 9 month baby boy.
My wife thinks its yet another waste of money, but I explained to her that I never actually bought it, and it allowed me not to have to carry a laptop and the Work PC and this would be sufficient. So If you are after saving your back then great.
I am now actually on the look out for a really simple phone which can sync with outlook and preferably pay as you go.
So - now I don’t have to carry my ipod - music, Sony PSP for MP4, Laptop - general work. If I look at it that way all well and good. It does feel a bit odd that one I do pull it out it feels like the daddy of PDAs or an ARCHOS Media Player. Pity that the Linux thought that the USB sync cable could connect it to a further Hard drive? making it a TV recorder? Dreaming now sorry.
I hear HTC have a 7inch Vista Compatible. I think that Microsoft/HTC need to release WM6 on the AMEO with T-Mobile quickly.
Anyone know how to get rid of the T-Mobile customisation I remember that there use to be hack for the MDA PRO.
Also NO Anti Virus - or is it that I have not even opened or read Manual the CD-ROM may contain it? can someone confirm as I have to hide everything from the kids otherwise it becomes pulp in there mouths.
So far my littles ones have some great hand me downs, whilst I try and justify the Apple TV thing that just came through a month or so late ;-) belated Valentines Gift for my wife ;-), Pity I could not get this thing engraved with my wifes name on it, usually helps with the unwrapping.
Oh boy before I forget, I thought it was just me, but the screen is useless outside. it reflects so much that you cannot see anything outside. this is really annoying try to use the GPS. so the Voice and sound need to be loud. Notably I did have the screen protector supplied stuck on the Ameo. One thing it makes it more UNsensitive i.e. need to prod it firmly when utilising one finger and not the pointer, which surprisingly does stay in it hole, and does not fall out when there is a breeze in the air.
Another good thing is that streaming books is great for the Kids. The Speakers (stereo work well) althought they are very spoilt with Beolabs 8000 and 6000's around the house, amazingly they don't touch those.
With all the usb charges cables about the place and prying childrens hands I am a bit wary of the thing being pulled of table.
The leather case is really good quality leather, and I think although I like to keep everything quite new looking it may look even better with age.
BUT the protection it offers is minimal, i.e. its no ipod rubber skin etc, and the Ameo is no Light Bunny. If it was picked up I in a food fight accidentally then this would hurt ;-). Where am I going with this is that Hard Drive, and I have worked within IBM Engineering Manufacturing “Files/DASD or Hard Drives”. Can it take a bump is going to be found out by my toddlers sooner than later and this scares me a tad, Solid State could not arrive quick enough albeit for in flight parking technologies. Come on Samsung bring those prices down for that 64GB device.
That Magnetic Keyboard is definitely a Trick and credit to HTC nice idea and shows the shielding has been well thought out it reminds me of the shielding in Larger drives and Actuator Arms. One thing I would have like was another case which just allowed the Ameo to be used Palm Like.and a carrying strap should had least been an option, as long as it was not as girly as the PSP one.
Thinking Back PSION and HP and Ericson Pocket PC etc, this is that Nokia Communicator type machine. It nearly all there but not just quite.
Yes I will get an I-Phone engraved for my wife of course,. As I got this on a twelve month Contract. It does allow me to surf the web adequately but jave based websites still struggle with WM5. this is annoying if you use BT Yahoo, and even there non java based site there is issues with some very important icons.
Skype –usage with T-Mobile costs extra on top of web-n-walk so bear that in mind. This is a bit of a farce. But it would be ideal for Skype etc. If any hackers out there sort this out I will be impressed, I suppose T-Mobile monitor the Skpe services PORT?
One other thing I maybe correct about is there is no infra red port, as this would have made the best ever remote control. Although I do have an amazing B&O 7000 and beolink 5000 and standard beolink which all have immensely powerful beams. It would have been nice to add to my collection one that I could programme the non B&O kit with.
Hmmmm could add it to the Kitchen that I am thinking of doing up, drop down timer, internet cookbook, bollywood film streamer ;-) I think my wife may allow for it.
Anyways hope this adds to some of the thoughts others have written.
Speed of use and generally moving about I not totally impressed about although I am use to trading floor compute back bones, you can live with it. Thing that annoys me is the start up time to making a phone call quickly if you had to. One of the reasons for not using it as phone apart from looking like a person ready to be mugged.NFL.
More updates later.
Woah, that's one very helpful impression.
Thank you, please keep more coming.
I'm still with my Dopod 900/Universal, and thinking of upgrading to U1000 due to the speed, battery life, and bigger screen.
I find that my dopod 900 memory often drops below 10mb and this slows down the speed significantly. I do hope with U1000, the speed would improve tremendously. The Dopod 900 Battery life was not enough to keep me up for a whole day either. I do a lot of readings and typings with my PDA on the road, so bigger screen would be a bonus.
Although, U1000 seems heavier and bigger on spec paper, but I find that in my pant's pocket(Hugo Boss Dress pants) I find U1000 to be more comfortable, perhaps due to its thinner design?
The Dopod 900 is a bit thick and pressing against my thigh. So for some reason dopod 900 is less comfortable for me.
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This machine is just screaming to be a LINUX machine with Phone and GPS built in, open office and more etc, utilising the screen size to a better effect.
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Can you help me by running haret on Athena and doing some tests ?
There is already some information gathered here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch
and many subsystems are already supported.
It is realistic to run Linux off the ramdisk very soon.
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Woah, that's one very helpful impression.
Thank you, please keep more coming.
I'm still with my Dopod 900/Universal, and thinking of upgrading to U1000 due to the speed, battery life, and bigger screen.
I find that my dopod 900 memory often drops below 10mb and this slows down the speed significantly. I do hope with U1000, the speed would improve tremendously. The Dopod 900 Battery life was not enough to keep me up for a whole day either. I do a lot of readings and typings with my PDA on the road, so bigger screen would be a bonus.
Although, U1000 seems heavier and bigger on spec paper, but I find that in my pant's pocket(Hugo Boss Dress pants) I find U1000 to be more comfortable, perhaps due to its thinner design?
The Dopod 900 is a bit thick and pressing against my thigh. So for some reason dopod 900 is less comfortable for me.
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Well, I use 900 before and now with u1000..
Honestly, dont sell ur 900 for the u1000..
I have it both now..
900 have something really good as an alternative..
lighter, an all in one keyboard, a backlight keyboard, a 4 rows keyboard.
For me, both of them have similar battery life.... Both good. u1000 a bit longer if the light set lower (but 20% light is higher than the 900 already)
I use 900 for 1.5 yrs, it is great and still the best in any PDA phone.
Get u1000 for a new fresh good, wider screen, more bright screen, faster speed, GPS, HSDPA. It for sure worth!!!
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Well, I use 900 before and now with u1000..
Honestly, dont sell ur 900 for the u1000..
I have it both now..
900 have something really good as an alternative..
lighter, an all in one keyboard, a backlight keyboard, a 4 rows keyboard.
For me, both of them have similar battery life.... Both good. u1000 a bit longer if the light set lower (but 20% light is higher than the 900 already)
I use 900 for 1.5 yrs, it is great and still the best in any PDA phone.
Get u1000 for a new fresh good, wider screen, more bright screen, faster speed, GPS, HSDPA. It for sure worth!!!
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yes i also agree the keyboard isn't that good in Athena, but hey don't forget, there is a possibility that we can buy extra keyboard that is better then Universal to attach to out Athena in the future.
My Ameo - unlock cost me £15 on T-Mobile
OK ... still playing with My Ameo.
Updates ... I have a Tom Tom 6 installed. - Will report back GPS capabilities soon.
WMStorage - worked 2nd time around but cannot get it working anymore. cant connect to usb driver error etc. Tried the threads but to no avail. - it maybe a TT6 thing.
Noted that after TT6 install the abilitiy to open media player files have become messed up on the web, it like it does not recognise them and I have to "save as" only - anyone know how to solve or experince this?
Not sure if some file associations have gone AWOL.
Definately still too big to Talk into, screen useless still in the SUN, waiting for the right type of sunshine ;-), Probably a good thing that you cannot use it outside when people can see you! ;-). Actualy I have started to use my mda pro a bit more and it actually feels usuable and small and a breath of fresh air scarily I might even use it as a phone now.
Installed ozVGA, amkes its a supperb document viewer - although cannot use the phone pad, but hey I am not making any calls ;-)
Biggest update - I thought I would like to use it as an emergency phone. without having to pull out my SIM card from other phone all the time. Noting I use Wifi most of the time. I thus phoned T-Mobile - got into chatting how I wold like to use the newly bought device abroad for a Month and if I could have it unlocked, the representative said £15 on the next bill, I said darn oh well, plaease put it on my next bill, and proceeded to give the IMEI number over the phone, she said that it would take 28 Days, to deliver to my home address. I said could it be meailed - she said yes, but it still takes 28 days ... checkig and procedures I guess... but I went for the email option hoping it maybe quicker, plus I can chase them without getting into postal issues.
But this now gives me a unlocked phone, pending them saying I should not have been given the ability to have it etc.... I am on flext25 webnwalk (12 month Contaract) but have been with them since the begining. Hopefuly giving me enough time to see iphone in the UK for next purchase.
Next stage, understand what Haret is? and how to get the info requested - earlier in the thread.
About to go down to phones4u and pick up a Motofone for £15, thin and simple.
Noted one really annoying thing, by the vue flow, there is a scratch apperaing from closing the case i.e. the plastic form teh keyboard contacts rubs direct against teh edge of the screen metal, and this is casuing me concern, it could easily dent it. I like to keep everythign like new, plastic, I dont even throw ties away ;-) so this is going to be annoying. its like gettinga dent on the Ferrari after just buying it, touching the screen of the of Bang and Olufsen Beovision 5 or worse a hole within the fret ;-).
regards Aamir.
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Next stage, understand what Haret is? and how to get the info requested - earlier in the thread.
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Haret is "HArdware Reverse Engineering Tool". It's a wince program
with the source code available under GPL,
and you can get the latest precompiled version here
http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret
The program allows a very detailed research in an interactive mode,
but first i'm interested in the most simple things.
Please put this program in some directory, and create a file named
"default.txt" containing a line
Code:
dump gpio athenagpio
in the same directory.
Start the program and press the "Run" button.
Exit.
You should see the file "athenagpio" in the same directory.
Please upload it here.
Haret dump file
CR2, Please see attached file.
It seems to be looking for a connection on port 9999, but I exited and the resulting file uploaded, let me know if this is incorrect or if I can assist further.
knid regards Aamir.
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It seems to be looking for a connection on port 9999, but I exited and the resulting file uploaded, let me know if this is incorrect or if I can assist further.
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Cool Dumping settings from a working machine is often
much more helpful than any static analysis.
I'm already editing the wiki based on your data.
Can you connect to the machine with telnet to port 9999,
and do you know how to log the session ?
We need to find out your board ID (if you don't know it already from the bootloader) and it is possible to dump a lot of other useful info.
Please give me the details and I wil try, I am currently away from my pc, but in essence is this correct :
[1] get the bootloader details (quick link please)
[2] Connect to the "home" wifi network.
[3] Work out the ip address on the Ameo
[4] telnet form PC on Wifi network to the Ameo ip Address
e.g.
[4.1] open command window or cmd on Home PC
[4.2] telnet 192.168.0.xxx [space] 9999
After which i suspect I am connected to something running on that 9999 port?
please let me know if that is roughly what you are after and then I can assist.
kind regards Aamir.
akhanaix said:
Please give me the details and I wil try, I am currently away from my pc, but in essence is this correct :
[1] get the bootloader details (quick link please)
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Not necessary, we can find it out ourselves.
[2] Connect to the "home" wifi network.
[3] Work out the ip address on the Ameo
[4] telnet form PC on Wifi network to the Ameo ip Address
e.g.
[4.1] open command window or cmd on Home PC
[4.2] telnet 192.168.0.xxx [space] 9999
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Exactly.
After which i suspect I am connected to something running on that 9999 port?
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You are connected to haret (remote debugger, if you like) and can run debugging commands.
BTW, it can be deduced from your dump that the phone and wifi are
switched off. Can you switch them on (maybe the GPS too) and
do the gpiodump again ?
Thanks!
wu5262 said:
yes i also agree the keyboard isn't that good in Athena, but hey don't forget, there is a possibility that we can buy extra keyboard that is better then Universal to attach to out Athena in the future.
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Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?
jlingo said:
Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?
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This one
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=140983
jlingo said:
Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?
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there isn't one yet, all i am saying is there is a possibility that we will see third party keyboard that we can attach and replace the original one, it might have some more features such as extra row. Personally, i think it isn't that hard to achieve.
Was wondering how most people use their Shift. I like to write and it is pretty good at recognizing my crappy left handed writing. My biqgest problem is keeping my hand off the screen and the other is keeping it from overheating. I use it often on my lap. or resting on my leg and if I don't put a book under it to keep it off my clothing IT OVERHEATS.
Diane
thats right you should keep on your lap for short periods only. I just have to say that I enjoy the multitude of possibilities with this baby. I use it in a nr of ways, but actually sit it on a table and type/surf most of the time.
i love the battery life in the WinMo side... and Opera Mini is superb in full screen... i'm using Vista a lot more than i thought i would as well. I guess this is mainly as the WinMo side is still so crippled without the SD access. Fingers crossed that access to it is feasible!
I use the TAB key as F11 key for full screen when browsing (remapped it, and of course the "Caps lock" into "Left Shift").
Use Both IE and Firefox. And both use the F11 luckily. Full screen swapping is quite important with such a small real estate.
Waiting eagerly for some updates, like those problems with SD card adn Shgctrl.
But I force myself to use it more frequently. Even ordered an extra battery at Expansys. (92 euro's with shipping!)
Pitty there is no hot swapping for batteries. So now it will take me an extra six minutes I think.
Do not use yet the Winmo options you guys found out. I need more spare time for that.
Huib
Must admit I don't use it now as it has too many restrictions and limitations and I tend to just use a laptop and smartphone.
This device could have been so good but has been badly let down in implementation by HTC
Shift is good for my mobile life.
For WM:
I check my stocks by Stock Manager and watch the TV news everyday by a TV Program
I get all the daily info from http://pda.xy.hk
For Vista:
I uses powerpoint for presentation weekly.
I access the ebanking for trading by IE
herpi said:
I use the TAB key as F11 key for full screen when browsing (remapped it, and of course the "Caps lock" into "Left Shift").
Use Both IE and Firefox. And both use the F11 luckily. Full screen swapping is quite important with such a small real estate.
Waiting eagerly for some updates, like those problems with SD card adn Shgctrl.
But I force myself to use it more frequently. Even ordered an extra battery at Expansys. (92 euro's with shipping!)
Pitty there is no hot swapping for batteries. So now it will take me an extra six minutes I think.
Do not use yet the Winmo options you guys found out. I need more spare time for that.
Huib
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Why don't you try reanpping F11 to a pen flick? I use it everyday, and it's better than losing a key for it.
how do you do that?
Click on pen flick icon, on tray, or in control pannel. choose pen and input settings, then flicks and customize. Choose the direction you want to assign, then bring the on-screen keyboard to register the F11 keypress.
I am using it now for most admin type functions in work. After some practice sessions I am now using the shift in meetings. A problem with tablets/PCs for notes is that if you dont get the info first time its gone.
I tried using One Note but found it a bit flakey for on the fly stuff. I am now committed to using Journal for all meetings. It seems to work flawlessly and the handwriting recog seems pretty accurate. I concur with the overheating concerns and have found that if you havent got a book or something similar then the screen needs to be extended and laid flat and the keyboard used with your thumbs to avoid heat issues.
I am using the Office progs and One Note for carrying all my reference docs that I need and I sync those with my desktop. I am now not bothering to take my laptop to work. This is good as sometimes I go to work on my push iron. I am using the Shift for general surfing. This can sometimes seem like hard work but Im persevering. I have given up on Origami and Im not that keen on using my fingers except for the odd OK button.
With regards to the snapvue I have instsalled the full wm6 and office in an attempt to get me turned on. Its more useful now its synced with my outlook - however despite having been virtually joined at the hip with an XDA Orbit for a few years I cant really get turned on by snapvue when I have a full Vista one click away. However it is useful for contacts and diary if you dont have time to boot up.
Im going to explore the possibility of watching movies on it but first impressions arent that great. I have been listening to music but have found that it doesnt stream that great across my wifi using The Orb. I am going to try and use Media Monkey instead to see if that improves things.
All in all a great tool but you have to adjust to it.
Use for share trading
Well,
The wait for a device that can be portable enough to take anywhere is over.
I use my Shift for primarily share trading. I use a share trading package and Next-G WLAN. Yes, it is expensive, but you get what you pay for, i.e. always relaible, unbeatable reception, etc, etc.
I take it with me on lunch breaks, meeteings, out and about and do trades, and never miss a good trade!!! I have probably made the money I spent back on it already. I am contemplating keeping my Dell M1330 at home!!!
I also use it for e-mail (secondary), that is, I set email to check mail but leave copy on server. My main laptop will be final home for the emails.
I also use it to make VoIP calls, I use Express Talk, costs about USD$20, but it is the best VoIP around (in my opinion of course). My service provider is Engin (also expensive, but 100% quality, of course my opinion again). 10c calls to anywhere in Aussie, 20c/min mobile is great. Works well with BT headset!
I also use it to connect to a couple of servers at home using TServ. It works great, both in Vista and WM6 (thanks to the Liberate!!!)
WM6 is disappointing, but it serves its purpose, i.e. it keeps the 3G connection always active no matter what the state of the HTC shift. I think the way the SHIFT works is that a NDIS connection is made b/ween the Vista and the WM6 device (same as if you used your 3G PDA connected to laptop for internet access). It is also a gap-filler (haha) when you are waiting for Vista to load up!!!
WM6 polling (pull) mail is great. Havent given much thought or care to the push mail, who cares? Unless you need real-time mail, set poll to 5 mins. Most 3G packages are in the 3-5GB range now, so dont stress about bandwidth usage.
The device does get warm, but once again, who cares. Be sure to keep the rear vent and the side vents clear enough, i.e. the device sucks air from the side vents. Hand-hold the device is fantastic, esp the mini-mouse pad, takes some getting used to. I find myself using my finger most of the time.
I have been a veteran hand-held device, as early as the good-old Casio organisers, Sharp Zairo, and owned ever XDA ever made. I have also owned a couple of "try-hard" UMPCs. And I have to say, this is the grand-daddy. Remember, technology is all about trade-offs. And HTC have traded of things for useable features.
The complaint about the heat, etc, where do you expect the heat to go? It must dissipate somewhere. Until they make 0.1mV 0.1nm processors we will have to live with this heat.
Oh, and not been too cheecky, this is not a laptop, i.e. dont put on your lap This is design to hand-hold and/or put on a desk.
Another mobilility point, the device has a G-Sensor that is supposed to detect drops. I carry this around with me while its on, and I have had two occassions where the G has supposedly detected a "drop". Havent given much thought as to whether the device has a "G-setting", and dont really care, I guess I just need to put it to sleep each time.
At home, I connect a 24" 1920x1200 monitor to this little badboy, run BT mouse, keyboard and Ethernet and the [poor] thing still works very well. Therefore, if you dont look down you will almost feel like you are using an actual desktop!!! I like to keep the rear slightly elevated to assist in cooling (the fan works at slightly lower RPM)
Happy to answer any questions you may have about this device, or if you want some comfort to buy one
I mainly use it (and any computer) for writing documents, web and mail. I do use it on my lap! I find that the leather case is rigid enough to provide a flat surface that keeps the vents clear. I'm using Opera and OpenOffice on the Vista side, which work very well. In WM, I use IE for browsing and for writing, I tend to just use unformatted text in an e-mail and mail it to myself.
Basically, if you are OK with the small screen and keyboard, it's the perfect travel machine. I was a Toshiba Libretto user in the late 1990s, but always felt I needed a Psion 5 or Revo for the ability to switch on and start typing.
In thes days of PDA/phone convergence, I am amazed that HP and others who used to make touch-typable folding devices have given up on that form-factor. Every journalist I know would buy one. One guy I know still uses his Psion 5, despite having to sync.
I have Mobile Office but have not really used it yet apart from viewing attachments (for which I also use XPDF). If another couple of months go by without needing it for composition, then I'll uninstall it and find some lightweight DOC/XLS/PPT viewers.
I have also been using Google Maps for WM, which tries and often succeeds to sniff out the cell location in the absence of GPS. It gets the maps pretty quickly with 3G, and adequately with GPRS, so you don't have to store them locally.
That's about it.
Thanks to everyone working on the project.
Matthew Karas
HTC sucks big time
I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money
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This is a pure waste of money
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so bad reaction ... reading your post is a total waste of time
arvinf said:
At home, I connect a 24" 1920x1200 monitor to this little badboy, run BT mouse, keyboard and Ethernet and the [poor] thing still works very well.
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1920 x 1200... really ??? so nice !!!
are you still using vista? what do you think about it ?
can you tell me the time it takes for a COLD boot and for coming back from Hibernate ?
I really would like to buy it.. to replace desktop, laptop and.. maybe PDA/Phone.
My HTC stand at home.
Will not OS of him.
greatestkelvin - I will save your frustrations by buying your machine from you!...plenty of folk waiting for them here. Oh, wait, that is if you actually have one? If you do it sounds like you didn't do your homework first....
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1920 x 1200... really ??? so nice !!!
are you still using vista? what do you think about it ?
can you tell me the time it takes for a COLD boot and for coming back from Hibernate ?
I really would like to buy it.. to replace desktop, laptop and.. maybe PDA/Phone.
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to boot up vista to password screen it takes 1 min for me (I don't have SP1 btw)
after logging in you have to wait a few more seconds because of shagctrl etc starting up - and you *need* shagctrl (= shift control center).
to come back from hibernation, about 12 secs to reach "resuming windows" and the whole process is about half a min
and to resume from sleep, 4 secs now, but maybe if it is left in sleep for longer then it's a bit longer to come back, but still fast
Most time i use the WM/SnapVue side with softmaker Office 06 (without grammer dictionary to save memory). I can write over 10 hours on an longer text or work with Real-Exel without any noises- and headproblems. With WM the Shift ist really "ultramobile". Other programs i use are freeware like Tombo (TreeList Texteditor) - ResInfo (Systeminformation) - WKtask (Quick Launcher, Taskmanager, and more), Hotkeys (remap keyboard), Cleartemp and Total Comander. It´s a shame, that the WM Side is limited only 13MB free memory left to save and share files. For office documents okay, but other nice WM things like mobipockes e-books an disaster.
But i like the Shift and look hopefully in the Shiftproject Thread
Just started spending time on the WM6 time
I'm just starting to use WM6 on my shift. It's my first device using this OS, and I am amazed at how good Mobile Google Maps is. It's the perfect application for the WM side as it makes good use of the high bandwidth connectivity, whilst not using up much memory.
I'm on the lookout for any other cool WM apps that suit the resources of the Shift in this way. I'd be most grateful if those of you with superior knowlege in this are could share their recommendations for cool/useful apps for WM6 on the Shift.
I bought my Shift because I like the outdoors, and I like computers. I like having the knowledge of the world at hand where ever I am.
Never & ever be the case, I guess.
I just got touch hd last week and personally I am not that happy with it.
Previously I used Axim x51v for some years for navigation with external bluetooth based gps reveiver.
#1. I miss the hard key to turn on/off the bluetooth/wifi
#2. I miss the led indicator of the wireless status
#3. for touch camera, I also miss the hard key to trigger it.
Maybe I am old fashioned. For touch screen, I should use the on screen button. But I do feel a bit inconvenient.
#4. The touch screen doesn't respond to touch. You must press with some strength. It is even worse than Axim 51v.
#5. difficult to plug in/out sd card
#6. I soft reset axim once/twice a week to get best performance. But to access soft reset button is not convenient.
#7. I miss the D-pad.
Apart from that, I got a bad pitch on the upper left screen.
My axim x51v doesn't have any bad pitch after years of heavy use.
Should I keep it or return it?
im playing with it for about 7weeks and hmm...
1. Useless
2. ye i miss it too but hm.. i wasnt look at it anyway.
3. yup its a very bad. to aim focus and shoot. but it a pda not camera.
4. no, no, no I didn't have x51 but thd screen is I think very good with response.
5. dont tell me you changeing card every 5 mins
6. this is becouse you dont need to reset it. (htc thoughts) IMO is not so hard to get to it.
7. hmm in first week I miss it too then i realise its not nessesery.
i think you can keep it one more week and then ask yourself. shoud i sell it or not.
Most of your issues are things that you should have known about before you bought it. If they bother you then why did you buy it?
As for the soft reset button being hard to access - you don't need to use the soft reset button to do a soft reset. Just press and hold the power button for a few seconds. Easy!
It depends on how you see it.. Compared to my other touchscreens telephones the Blackstone rulez!
But then the downparts..
1. Its slow and laggy
2. Its buggy and unstable but I guess and hopes that this is the windows version and that some cooked roms makes it more stable..
3. Crappy sound quality with the 3.5 headphone output
4. Got damn I will NEVER EVER have a phone without a REAL hardware keyboard!
5. Did I mention that typing on the screen SUX?
And yes I still have the default ROM, since Im running Windows 7 Beta 1 I havent been able to hax0r the phone so I can try other ROMs..
henrik.dk said:
Never & ever be the case, I guess.
I just got touch hd last week and personally I am not that happy with it.
Previously I used Axim x51v for some years for navigation with external bluetooth based gps reveiver.
#1. I miss the hard key to turn on/off the bluetooth/wifi
#2. I miss the led indicator of the wireless status
#3. for touch camera, I also miss the hard key to trigger it.
Maybe I am old fashioned. For touch screen, I should use the on screen button. But I do feel a bit inconvenient.
#4. The touch screen doesn't respond to touch. You must press with some strength. It is even worse than Axim 51v.
#5. difficult to plug in/out sd card
#6. I soft reset axim once/twice a week to get best performance. But to access soft reset button is not convenient.
#7. I miss the D-pad.
Apart from that, I got a bad pitch on the upper left screen.
My axim x51v doesn't have any bad pitch after years of heavy use.
Should I keep it or return it?
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I too was disappointed slightly with the HD when I first bought. But I stuck with it, tweaked it and I'm now a lot happier than I was.
#1. I miss the hard key to turn on/off the bluetooth/wifi. To navigate to Comm Manager and use on/off function is very straight forward. Takes 3 buttons presses at most.
#2. I miss the led indicator of the wireless status. You can download different task bar icons, countless available if you search whoch have better wireless status indicators
#3. for touch camera, I also miss the hard key to trigger it. You can use apps like HD Tweak or AEB Plus and remap soft keys so camera is one click away
#4. The touch screen doesn't respond to touch. You must press with some strength. It is even worse than Axim 51v. Again use HD Tweak and change sensitivity of touch press
#5. difficult to plug in/out sd card. Gonna have to live with this one. Not as bad as you think compared to some other phones
#6. I soft reset axim once/twice a week to get best performance. But to access soft reset button is not convenient. Try using Touch Off. Easy app for soft reset/trun off etc
#7. I miss the D-pad. Use 3rd party apps. Can be found in Themes, Applications and Software forum
To improve performance I'd recommend reading up on the wiki for some tips. HD Tweak & Advanced Config shoould also help. Also, there our countless cooked roms out there which have been tweaked for performance. All you need to do is search!!
my X1 is better...
Thank you for all these information.
The capability to adjust touch sensitivity is really super. I will definitely try it.
Do you have any recommendation of wireless tools also?
Regarding D-pad, I really cannot image it can be implemented by 3rd applications.
But your response had made me think that I should keep it ....
Fallen Spartan said:
I too was disappointed slightly with the HD when I first bought. But I stuck with it, tweaked it and I'm now a lot happier than I was.
#1. I miss the hard key to turn on/off the bluetooth/wifi. To navigate to Comm Manager and use on/off function is very straight forward. Takes 3 buttons presses at most.
#2. I miss the led indicator of the wireless status. You can download different task bar icons, countless available if you search whoch have better wireless status indicators
#3. for touch camera, I also miss the hard key to trigger it. You can use apps like HD Tweak or AEB Plus and remap soft keys so camera is one click away
#4. The touch screen doesn't respond to touch. You must press with some strength. It is even worse than Axim 51v. Again use HD Tweak and change sensitivity of touch press
#5. difficult to plug in/out sd card. Gonna have to live with this one. Not as bad as you think compared to some other phones
#6. I soft reset axim once/twice a week to get best performance. But to access soft reset button is not convenient. Try using Touch Off. Easy app for soft reset/trun off etc
#7. I miss the D-pad. Use 3rd party apps. Can be found in Themes, Applications and Software forum
To improve performance I'd recommend reading up on the wiki for some tips. HD Tweak & Advanced Config shoould also help. Also, there our countless cooked roms out there which have been tweaked for performance. All you need to do is search!!
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complain - as it worth to complain.
I really cannot live with phone+axim+gps when I go outdoors.
Moandal said:
Most of your issues are things that you should have known about before you bought it. If they bother you then why did you buy it?
As for the soft reset button being hard to access - you don't need to use the soft reset button to do a soft reset. Just press and hold the power button for a few seconds. Easy!
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i came from X1 I LOVE THE HD
I bought mine in Dec 08, and so far ive been real disappointed.
* constant lag
* battery sucks
* non standard USB port
* Flaky paint work
but the biggest critism is the lack of structured apps compared to the iphone and android phones. I'll gladly pay for apps that are easy to download and install, hell even nokia have their own store.
Seems to me HTC just rushed through these phones without thinking of after sales products.
Ive always disliked Apple but im seriously going to have a look at the new iphone this summer....anyone wanna buy my HD
henrik.dk said:
Thank you for all these information.
The capability to adjust touch sensitivity is really super. I will definitely try it.
Do you have any recommendation of wireless tools also?
Regarding D-pad, I really cannot image it can be implemented by 3rd applications.
But your response had made me think that I should keep it ....
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Go to themes, Applications and software and type in D-Pad and see whats going on. They're is currently threads on this where some have acheived a simple D-pad and others are still trying to implement more advanced ones. Also search under mortscript and a game pad similar to the nintendo gameboy has been created for your gaming needs.
For every fault which the HD has, someone in this excellent community has either fixed it or is trying to fix it. You just have to know where to search mate.
Only things which can't be fixed are hardware ones like increasing camera quality or flashlight. Otherwise, happy searching!!
sthapa said:
......but the biggest critism is the lack of structured apps compared to the iphone and android phones. I'll gladly pay for apps that are easy to download and install, hell even nokia have their own store.
Seems to me HTC just rushed through these phones without thinking of after sales products.
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iphone approve every game which appears on their device. Because the HD is WM they cannot approve every game as anyone can basically create games for windows. This is the main reason my HTC do not provide one web site for all apps & games.
Typical websites for apps and games would be:
www.handango.com
www.pocketgear.com
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/?en
henrik.dk said:
Do you have any recommendation of wireless tools also?
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You could try these 2 amongst others
but spartan, why do HTC need permission to sell games/app that run on WM ?
Sometimes people just complain for the sake of complaining
sthapa said:
I bought mine in Dec 08, and so far ive been real disappointed.
* constant lag
* battery sucks
* non standard USB port
* Flaky paint work
but the biggest critism is the lack of structured apps compared to the iphone and android phones. I'll gladly pay for apps that are easy to download and install, hell even nokia have their own store.
Seems to me HTC just rushed through these phones without thinking of after sales products.
Ive always disliked Apple but im seriously going to have a look at the new iphone this summer....anyone wanna buy my HD
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Constant lag? Mine is as fast as I need, and that's quick.
Battery sucks? I have no problem going a full day using virtually everything, and talking a few hours on the phone. After that, I recharge it through my USB port and up-date everything via ActiveSync. Perfect!
Non-standard USB port? Oh, please. The standard USB port fits perfectly. I use a standard USB port to connect my computer to the HD.
Flaky paint work? I haven't had a single flake of paint since I bought it four months ago. Perhaps you have a bad batch.
Don't paint every HD with the same brush. Your complaints are irrelevant to me because they simply are not true when you apply them to my HD.
Peter
sthapa said:
but spartan, why do HTC need permission to sell games/app that run on WM ?
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I think you may need to re-read his post
sthapa said:
but spartan, why do HTC need permission to sell games/app that run on WM ?
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I think what spartan was referring to is the fact that the iphone is locked (unless you JB it) They control what you can and can't have whereas WM you are free to have anything you like.
There are millions of apps/games/etc for WM phones so all you need do is search on forums like this and on the net to get what you want. HTC don't need get any permission because ultimately they don't control the phone. It's up to you to install what you want. HTC are in the business of providing phones not the 3rd party programs you run on them.
As regards the thread: I'm very happy with my HD. I'm not a camera user so this aspect of the phone has never bothered me, I just look at it as an extremely handy extra feature.
Soft reset - just install a program as has been said
SD card - Not needed to swap the 8Gb card as yet and can't see any real instances where I'd be constantly needing to swap it with any frequency.
Dpad - never used it on my trinity so not missed it on the HD
Battery life is amazing - I have watched all 3 Pirates of the Caribbean films on 1 charged battery (that was one hell of a long day waiting round for people i can tell you!)
After about 2 months of constant (reasonably heavy) use there are no visible marks or scratches on the phone and people are constantly amazed at it's looks.
So all in all I'm happy but perhaps I'm less fussy than most people here.
The phone Rulez. Period
Sure, a D-pad would be nice and it would be even better if you could attach the car battery to it (consumes like a bloody ($*T%(#$*^). Yes, for a plain phone it is both big-ish and a bit heavy
Nonetheless a) It is not merely a phone b) Rulez (see above)
If you want to compare crappy WM devices, just have a try at LG KS20
@sthapa - Think both dao & Aaronc1978 answered you query efficiently
I tried the hd tweak and the sensitivity adjustment is just for touchflo
but not for the touch screen itself. I used phatpad a lot for note taking in axim. But for HD touch, it is almost imposssible to draw a continuous line
since the strengh required to press the stylus is way too bigger.
Anyone tried to use phatpad in HD?
Fallen Spartan said:
Go to themes, Applications and software and type in D-Pad and see whats going on. They're is currently threads on this where some have acheived a simple D-pad and others are still trying to implement more advanced ones. Also search under mortscript and a game pad similar to the nintendo gameboy has been created for your gaming needs.
For every fault which the HD has, someone in this excellent community has either fixed it or is trying to fix it. You just have to know where to search mate.
Only things which can't be fixed are hardware ones like increasing camera quality or flashlight. Otherwise, happy searching!!
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