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Just let you know my comparison of the two units after 5 days with the Xda Cosmo after having the Trion for the last 4 months. My Girlfriend brought me the Excalibur as a pre Christmas gift 8)
After 4 months my Trion main speaker stopped working and I have currently sent it back to get it replaced. All in all I was quite happy with the Trion except for a few quirks.
1. Media Player was buggy with the storage card
2. Never got WM5orage working properly (either had to stopo all my programs running on the storage card which included removing items from the Today screen).
3. Screen alignment problem.
I got the Hermes originally as it looked like a device which I didn't have to use the stylus much to access most of the functionality and in 90% of cases I got by with just using the jog wheel and a couple of presses with my thumb (I had the very first xda device and was turned off by the need to use the stylus to do simple things such as dialing and looking up contacts )
I had noticed due to the operating system PPC vs smartphone the PPC needed much more processing power and hence battery life was preety much limited due to the power from the CPU 400mhz vs 200mhz ( maybe of the extra functionality needed for the touchscreen ).
Differences in the devices
1. Xda Excalibur is more responsive even with the slower CPU. Contacts work instantly on typing on the keyboard. On the hermes there is always a delay in searching for contacts.
2. Excalibur supports multiple languages in its rom and therefore there no need to reflash the rom with the rom with your appropriate language.
3. A2DP works flawlessly on Excalibur being aku 3.2. No need to install cab files to get it working and no sound quality issues and no need to get somone to write a bt stack driver to get around the microsoft one.
4. Programs in general for smartphone seem to be running better than on Pocket PC. Tomtom 6 Navigator doesn't run on the Cosmo but Tomtom 5 work just fine and performance actually seems better on the smartphone even with the lower CPU. Same is notice with other PPC vs Smartphone progams I have eg Skype and Fizz Traveller
5. Cosmo has 128 MB flash ram which is really useful as I was always trying to install everything on the SD card with the Trion to get as much memory possible for standard stuff such as emails, ringtones etc. Yes I know you can tweak the Hermes to get ringtones from the SD card but it just a hassle changing the registry settings.
6. For some reason Windows Live Beta works on the Cosmo. It stopped working on the Hermes about a month ago and never worked since. The smartphone version looks really nice as well and functions much better as I have noticed with all smartphone vs ppc programs.
7. WLAN works much better on the Cosmo compared to the Hermes eg handling of connection settings when WLAN is turned on. On the Hermes I always had to go through the process of changing my connection settings every time I switched by WLAN on an off.
8. Battery life on cosmo is much better. 3.5-4 days use compared to 1.5-2 days use on Trion. Probably because of CPU (I also changed the Hermes to GPRS only to try and save battery life due to UMTS draining the battery)
9. Not to sing all praises for the Excalibur. The only drawback I have found so far for my purposes is the Microsoft Office editing functionality is not possible on the smartphone.
10. 2MP camera vs 1.3 MP camera but I really cannot see much advantage in the quality as the 2MP wasnt that great to start with. Yes the Hermes has a led light but I doesn't really help with indoor photos. The 1.3 MP camera seems to be better quality than other 1.3 MP cameras before and for emails, web photos and MMS quality seems fine for my purposes as I wont ever print out photos from a camera handy.
11. Lack to UMTS/HSDPA on Excalibur. Loose the speed but you'll gain heaps on battery life.
12. Microsoft Media Player works with the SD card. No disappearing songs 8)
13. Price. The excalibur is less than 1/6 the price of the Trion on contract. My Girlfriend brought the Cosmo on contact for 60 Euro. I got the Trion for 320 Euro on the same contact.
14. and I think this is the killer. The excalibur have looks to die for. The Hermes is thick and although many people would say it is solidly built after using the Excalibur it makes the Hermes look like a oversized flimsy machine. The Excalibur is thin and compact with a large screen. Fits in your shirt pocket or even slide it into your jeans!!! HTC have outdone themselves with the build quality I haven't seen any phone build as solid including the razr. I fells like the device is made out of titanium or magnesium with a soft feel rubber all along the back of the device and for the keys as well, ( I cat't stop touching the device it feels sooo.. good ). My Girlfriend who is really fashion concious absolutely loves the look of the device. Photos on the net do not do it justice you have to see it in real to appreciate it's looks for me one look and it was love at first sight. (I first got a look at it from a female collegue who got the phone)
It took me a day to get used to the smaller keyboard and maybe bigger thumbs might have some problems but with rubber keys feel beautiful and make each key feel distinct during typing. The excalibur really is a one hand device even with the d pad and keys only. The touch slider is just a added bonus with flexibility.
After writing this I have noticed that this is more of a sales pitch for the excalibur than a comparison of the two devices but I have found my perfect device which does everything I need without any problems ( performance, bugs and quirks ). If you dont need the UMTS speed I must say Excalibur is the way to go. If you really need UMTS and 2MP camera then wait for the Calivier ( the UMTS /2 MP / 300Mhz version of the excalibur, rumoured to release in Spring next year ).
For me the excalibur seems to have a quite launch compared to the expectations of the Hermes maybe because on paper the Hermes looks better in terms of specifications but for usability it's excalibur all the way.
Now what to do with my Trion when it gets back?
excalibur is a smartphone right ?
Yes it is a smartphone but I think that is why it is much more responsive. Microsoft has done something right with wm5 for smartphone. Theres not much a smartphone cant do now compared to the pocket pc now. except for the microsoft office editing capabilities. I tried skype today and for some reason it was much more clearer than the pocket pc version.
it depends what you use it for..
if youre like me who has to do Office work, watch movies and play tradewinds then the touch screen is VITAL.. personally i dont have any issues with my hermes as the ones youve mentioned above..
and ofcourse there is the touch screen
I just got myself a smartphone (samsung i607) after having the wizard for a year. I was thinkign the same thing you are about smartphone functionality. i was wrong though. There is an extreme lack of third party programs for smartphone. In particular, there aren't any good web browsers whatsoever for wm5smartphone. not a single one. You also cannot customize the homescreen without downloading predefined ones online. I never found one i liked. I like to use data instant messaging programs. and there is a flaw in all of them for smartphone. They don't have homescreen plugins and there is absolutely no onscreen display that you have received a message when the program is in the forgroud. In fact, i hated the lack of flexibility on the smartphone so much that 24 hours after buying the i607, i bought the hermes. I'm still waiting for it to come, and cant wait to start doing everything i used to do with the wizard only faster.
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I just got myself a smartphone (samsung i607) after having the wizard for a year. I was thinkign the same thing you are about smartphone functionality. i was wrong though. There is an extreme lack of third party programs for smartphone. In particular, there aren't any good web browsers whatsoever for wm5smartphone. not a single one. You also cannot customize the homescreen without downloading predefined ones online. I never found one i liked. I like to use data instant messaging programs. and there is a flaw in all of them for smartphone. They don't have homescreen plugins and there is absolutely no onscreen display that you have received a message when the program is in the forgroud. In fact, i hated the lack of flexibility on the smartphone so much that 24 hours after buying the i607, i bought the hermes. I'm still waiting for it to come, and cant wait to start doing everything i used to do with the wizard only faster.
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I Have both, S620 to work and TyTn for play, and I had Wizard.
Try opera mini... better than IE and I use it also on HERMES
I've found a LOT of home screens (motorola Q has many of it) but also I like to play with XML, using just notepad and I have now my PERFECT , tre pages (scrolling), Home screen!
Office problems? try the new DATAWIZ suite, much better than office embedded in TyTN
Great as navigator and fits in my jeans pocket (the BACK pocket) and in my shirt pocket!
I 've sold the wizard believing the HERMES was the empowered Wizard. It Is the STUPID WIZARD'S BIG BROTHER believe me!
I've tried opera mini, and i dont particularly like it. I consider it to be a step down from the standard PIE with the reg edit to make PIE identify itself as a desktop computer. I guess i just miss the adaptability of my wizard. My hermes will be here soon though. I'll never make the mistake of selling my old phone before getting a new one again. If i dont like the hermes, i'll still have my blackjack. After a week, i'll decide which one to keep.
Shall we compare Athena with HTC Universal? The hardware features, quality, built in software, speed, everything?
Let's try:
- Athena is absolutely uncomfortable as a phone
- Athena is a little bit larger and heavier
- Athena is more expensive
+ Athena's screen is much bigger
+ Athena nave embedded GPS
+ Athena have HDD
+ Athena have VGA-out
+ Athena have VueFLO (but is't really useless feature)
+ Athena have 3 mpix AF camera
more?
When people have the Advantage/Ameo etc, it will be more appropriate to make comparisons that one can agree or disagree with.
Just FYI - some live photos of Athena
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=album:4006
Great photos Bader, Cheers!
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Just FYI - some live photos of Athena
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=album:4006
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Thanks a million for those brilliant high res photos Bader!
It's nice to get a real world perspective of size on the X7500 against other devices and equipment. If you don't mind, I'm going to post a link to the site you listed here, everyone who doesn't have one yet and is interested will appreciate these pics. Thanks again.
BTW I will be posting here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/next-vt4467.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=80
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286884&page=13
Here you are!
Gallery updated
PS You've put mistake in my nick on 4winmobile
Nice photos..Thanks
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Here you are!
Gallery updated
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Thanks Bader.
Any chance of a first impressions review? Or feedback on performance with 3rd party apps compared to other devices...like Universal? I know, I know...you were probably going to do that before I opened my big mouth last week.
Anyway thanks again for your contributions, they are appreciated.
Actually Bader...there is one very important question I would love to be answered...if your willing of course.
Can/have you tested the USB host capabilities of the X7500? I mean can you hook up a full sized keyboard and or mouse, or even a external hard-drive?
This would be huge plus for me personally, but I think others would like to know too. Cheers.
Unfortunately, I don't have Universal now, but in any case I'll put here are some feedbacks:
Performance is good enougt, f.e. "windows" folder is to be opened in one second
700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)
Original DivX movies can be watching wo recoding with at least 80% efficiency (parhabs depends on embedded ATI Imageon chip, now I'm tryin' to tune it )
GPS works worse than in Artemis - probably cause of metall body
Battery is really good - about two days while books reading, movies watching, push-mail recieving etc.
Camera - ghm... SonyEricsson's one is better
No vibracall!
What else? Please ask
About USB-host - unfortunately, I don't have the the cable to try this function (I've got the device in test package). VGA-out works well.
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About USB-host - unfortunately, I don't have the the cable to try this function (I've got the device in test package). VGA-out works well.
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The normal htc USB cable should do. Connect the mini to your Athena, and the regular usb end to your drive eg. pocket drive, card reader etc.
gps athena
gps worse than the one of p3300? 1º slower to take satellite? 2º fixes less satellite?
Great stuff Bader!
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Unfortunately, I don't have Universal now, but in any case I'll put here are some feedbacks:
Performance is good enougt, f.e. "windows" folder is to be opened in one second
700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)
Original DivX movies can be watching wo recoding with at least 80% efficiency (parhabs depends on embedded ATI Imageon chip, now I'm tryin' to tune it )
GPS works worse than in Artemis - probably cause of metall body
Battery is really good - about two days while books reading, movies watching, push-mail recieving etc.
Camera - ghm... SonyEricsson's one is better
No vibracall!
What else? Please ask
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Great stuff Bader, thanks for the feedback. So GPS is worse than Artemis? Is it acceptable though? Or do you experience weak signal and drop outs, in comparison?
You say Divx plays at about 80% without the need for recoding? That's not bad depending on bitrate. (I'll PM you about this). Are we talking like torrent movie encoding quality here? DVD rips? I hope so, because then there is a lot of room for improvement.
Didn't expect much from the camera anyway.
No Vibra call? Glad I ordered me a vibrating Bluetooth Plantronics 640 now.
"700 Mb movie is loaded in 3 minutes via USB (2.0?)". Is this via active sync straight to the device? If so, that's not bad.
I like the windows folder opening time. But is that on a fresh machine or with loads of 3rd party apps?
How about surfing in high res mode? Is this supported in the ROM version you have? And if so, how is the speed of page rendering compared to your experience of other PPC devices?
Thanks again for taking the time and effort to answer these questions Bader. Pls check your PM.
What is your model? Advantage, ameo or U1000?
How is the building quality?
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I're wrong - USBhost is based on another slot than sync/charge USB. It is good seen on this picture - http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=photo:57887
Left one is VGAout/USBhost with proprietary connector.
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I'ts only my opinion, based on expirience - it seem to me, that Artemis finds sattelites faster, and sesitivity is a little bit better. Unfortunately, i cannot compare and measure, cause Artemis was sold 4 month ago
I any case - Athena's GPS wokrs much better than any 12channel device.
mackaby007
About movies - yes, sure, i mean DVD-rips on maximum quality settings. If set low details - so performance comes to 200%
About loading speed - yes, 3 minutes via AS or WM5torage - no any difference
"Windows" opening time - it on real used device with about 20 thirdparty apps installed.
RealVGA is not supported in current ROM :-(
But there are Opera installed (in ExtROM), and it's posible to scale up and down - looks like real VGA. Rendering speed is about 2 times faster than on my Herald.
PS I'll answer PM in few minutes.
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HTC X-7500
Looks very durable, can be used as selfdefence weapon
Seriosly - building quality is perfect.
please photos made by the athena
how long in minutes to take satellite?
http://foto.ixbt.com/?id=camera:703
Warm start - about 2 minutes
I just got the T-Mobile Ameo today, the branded version of the HTC X7500.
With the exception of the silver casing (instead of black as on the X7500), the Ameo is the same.
Here are the first impressions:
1. build quality excellent, display quality very good (but not at par with the Sony Vaio UX "micro"-laptop for example), speed is very good too, the programs just "fly".
2. GSM/GPRS reception is pretty good, I didn't have the chance to try out UMTS/HSDPA yet since I'm living outside the city and we get only Vodafone UMTS over here
3. you can't use the unit like a normal cell phone, you need to use a headset or the built-in speaker phone. This is pretty annoying, making the Ameo actually more a kind of a internet working machine, not a cell phone. If you're planning to use this baby for everything, including "classic" cell phone operation, forget about it
4. if you think that the new magnetic keypad is interesting, wait until you actually see the WHOLE "system" working incl. the leather protection casing.
You can't actually use the magnetic keypad without the leather casing since the Ameo itself may "fall down" sooner or later, causing a lot of damage to the unit if it falls down from a higher height. Use the leather casing, it provides the necessary "grip", so the Ameo doesn't move at all to the back.
It is a pretty interesting and well thought through combo, you have to see it for yourself to understand how it works. The pictures you may have seen on the internet, showing a woman holding the Ameo in her hand, attached to the magnetic keypad are actually CRAP. The Ameo has no support in the back and if this woman would move her hand a bit, the Ameo would fall down. I don't understand why T-Mobile doesn't advertise in pictures the whole "system" with the leather casing, so people understand how it is working and how WELL it is working.
5. inserting the SIM card was kind of a pain in the a.., it wasn't too easy and you can't swap SIM cards on a regular basis, this would be too annoying.
6. the new Opera browser is a treat, it works great compared to the also supplied Internet Explorer. The Opera 8.6x browser was a good choice for the Ameo.
7. the built-in 3 MP camera is easy too use, it uses an autofokus which works pretty well and it even has a flash. Picture quality is pretty good when there is enough light but the object has to stay steady if you want to get a good picture. Video quality pretty much sucks, if the object moves, you just get a blurr, nothing else. That said, the specs of the camera are more impressive on paper than in reality but it is pretty "usable".
8. since the keypad system uses a strong magnet, you have to be careful where you transport/keep your unit in the leather casing. If your credits cards, etc. are close to it, you may have them corrupted.
9. after installing my "usual" programs (Worldmate, AgendaOne, WiFi Companion, Subsembly Wallet and GPS Meter), the Ameo started to be kept in an incontinouus booting cycle (like a soft reset). I had to hard reset the unit and start all over again installing my programs, pretty annoying. So the firmware DEFINETELY isn't bug-free yet.
more photo by athena please
Brilliant!
Bader said:
mackaby007
About movies - yes, sure, i mean DVD-rips on maximum quality settings. If set low details - so performance comes to 200%
About loading speed - yes, 3 minutes via AS or WM5torage - no any difference
"Windows" opening time - it on real used device with about 20 thirdparty apps installed.
RealVGA is not supported in current ROM :-(
But there are Opera installed (in ExtROM), and it's posible to scale up and down - looks like real VGA. Rendering speed is about 2 times faster than on my Herald.
PS I'll answer PM in few minutes.
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Thanks Bader!! That's really good news, just what I was hoping to hear so far. C PM.
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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MY dopod u1000 don't have any large file transfer problem at all
and my headphone works straight away
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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Few comments:
After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
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After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
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Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
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I identified that bit, shame the firmware can't take that into account. It does it somewhat randomly going in and out of tomtom as well.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
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Yeah, it works fine, just the refresh rate is a bit slow (maybe 1-2fps). Like I say, maybe a version newer than 6.000 will resolve the issue.
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
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Not using BT - I'm using the headphones that came in the box with the built in mic. Didn't output mediaplayer sound via them earlier when I tried it, I need to experiment a little more.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
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I've been reading loads since last week when I decided to get the device. The only problem is it can sometimes be difficult to locate the info. But I found the fix for the large file problem didn't I?
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
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jlingo said:
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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Is it to do with T-mobile's ROM? because i am using the DOPOD U1000, and i don't have this issue at all, and 3 other friends of mine don't have this problem as well
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Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
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Any third party software already installed or opened in the background? memory leak? Perhaps those could cause wake up problems?
thanks
Sounds like you have a faulty device
I would send that device back immediately for replacement!
I have abused my ameo by all sorts of tweaks and hacks but no such problems since i got it.
I sent my U1000 back for warranty claim(under 7 days) cause always prompting me my SIM is invalid, eventhough i've switch to a newly applied one. Other than that, everything is fine. MapKing works great though.
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Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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that is strange, i don't see any sign of this problem on my device, is it to do with third party software?
It hasn't done the non-resume problem for a couple of days, funnily enough. Thinking back, it may be sometime again to do with tomtom, as I have a feeling it suspended whilst TT was active. I'll monitor, do some experiements and report back.
Also fixed the headphone issue - looks like I wasn't 'using the force'. I tried again just and noted that the headphone jack was about 1mm shy of home - pushed even harder and its clicked in and now I have sound in my phones!
wonder said:
I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
jlingo said:
Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
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I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
wonder said:
I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
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Could you please elaborate a bit more, which today screen software are you using?
Thanks
Mine wouldn't resume this morning.
I had running:-
Opera Browser,
Internet Explorer,
Media Player.
It was also connected to the mains charger and was powered down via the button on the side.
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Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
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this confused me at first, too.
there are shortcuts, it's just that they're all hidden in sub-folders - like
"Organiser" which has Calc, Calendar, Notes and Tasks, or
"Messages" which has Email setup and Messaging or
"Contacts" which has Contacts and SIM Manager or
Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
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Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
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Sorry, but there is no backlighting on the keyboard of the Ameo
So my wizard has been acting up (see the annoying white screen post ) i was wondering first of all if i am allowed to send in my MDA to get it replaced with a Wing for free, since they no longer make MDAs and my MDA is not working properly. Second is the Wing better than the MDA, because i heard that it only has 1 speaker, and no IR (i dont really use IR but its nice to have it). So i was wondering if the speaker is really different than the MDAs or are they both about the same in loudness and quality level.?
BTW: I live in the US so it would be T-Mobile US.
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So my wizard has been acting up (see the annoying white screen post ) i was wondering first of all if i am allowed to send in my MDA to get it replaced with a Wing for free, since they no longer make MDAs and my MDA is not working properly. Second is the Wing better than the MDA, because i heard that it only has 1 speaker, and no IR (i dont really use IR but its nice to have it). So i was wondering if the speaker is really different than the MDAs or are they both about the same in loudness and quality level.?
BTW: I live in the US so it would be T-Mobile US.
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Nobody, except Tmobile can answer your question about getting the Wing as a free replacement for MDA
For MDA vs Wing, I can share my experience with you. I recently got the Wing to play around with and still have my MDA. There are some areas of improvements on the Wing but there are also some downside. But IMHO the improvement is out weight the cons. Missing IR is a disadvantage, but most pp don't use the IR connection nowaday, Bluetooth is over taking the IR.
For speakers, hard to tell with one is better. I think the MDA is a little louder, but the Wing seems to have the clearer sound. Hard to say which is better.
I called T-Mobile about getting a Wing and what would happen if I had an issue with my mda and needed a replacement and T-Mobile still has MDAs to send out to people that need replacements. So I`d doubt they`ll send you a wing instead.
I don't have any proof of this but I have heard that T-mobile is sending wings out to people who have a defective MDA. You'd have to call T-mobile to be sure, of course. There is probably a finite supply of MDA's left in their inventory as it is, so eventually you will probably only be able to get a wing as a replacement. When that will be, I have no idea...
My husband has the wing and I have the mda. I like having the IR because there is a program that will let you use your device as a universal remote. Comes in very handy when you're in a place where you'd like to change the TV channel but don't have the remote (hospital rooms, hotels, etc).
I haven't really listened closely to my husband's wing but the speaker quality seems to be decent. When his phone rings I can't tell whether it is mine or his. I've been flashing my rom a lot lately so there hasnt been any use in changing the ringer all the time.
One thing I am jealous about with hubby's Wing is that the screen pops out from the keyboard instead of sliding the way the MDA does. So you don't get the problem of the screen hanging halfway off of the keyboard if you don't close it all the way.
Also the stylus doesn't just fall out of the Wing like it does with the MDA.
If you get a Wing you will not be able to use your Mini SD card since the Wing uses Micro SD.
The Wing's Comm Manager button is on the keyboard instead of the side of the case. Unless there's a trick we haven't noticed yet, you can't just hold down a button on the side of the case to switch between speaker and vibrate. You actually have to do something on-screen or pop out the keyboard.
WM6 on the MDA works great for me (using X-plore), and it is faster than the old WM5. With that in mind, I'm not noticing a huge increase in speed or performance with the Wing. I haven't really looked much into it but hubby tells me the two devices use the same cpu.
The Wing has the 2 MP camera whereas the MDA has 1 MP. Image quality is about the same except of course the Wing can store larger images. If you want, pm me and I can take 2 pictures of the same object using the Wing and the MDA and let you compare them... I don't know how important that is to you.
The Wing is somewhat lighter than the MDA, but hubby and I both find this weight difference to be barely noticeable. Wing is slightly thinner. Again, its a minimal difference.
The Wing is, as far as I know, the Herald, so you might also want to check the herald forums to see what people think and feel about theirs.
Personally, I'm satisfied with my MDA and I wouldn't want to trade it in unless it was suffering from a major disfunction.
Wow, thanks that was a lot of info. Ill talk to T-mobile about replacing my MDA because it is defective, my screen keeps turning completely white for no reason and to remove the whiteness i have to slide out the keyboard just so the first row of keys show. But anyway thanks for the information, it has saved me a ton of time looking for reviews and comparisons.
Can Aim be any slower!
hey Im a happy MDA user but I have never been happy with the extreme slowness of the aim. Thats the only problem i have with my MDA, the msn messenger goes really quick i dont understand why the aim is soo slow.Is there any way i can make it faster!? ive tried numerous things since september of 06 lol. and does anybody know if the aim on the wing goes quicker? because Ive been eyeing the wing. help !
my opinion
so I got my wing yesterday, first impression it feels nice since I had WM6 on my MDA there was not much to explore the first thing I checked was MEMORY and that did not look pretty here is what I had:
Storage Programs
total:39.44 Total: 43.87
in use: 13.87 in use: 28 something
Free: 25 MB or so Free: 15 something
compared to what I have on my MDA with the awsome wm6 X-plore 2.0n and after installing over 10 apps and all kinds of tweaks this wing is a real WIMP on memory, so I decided to do a hard reset and did soft reset before the Tmobile customization started I wanted to get rid of all T-mobile crap but that did not work it did get rid of some apps and I ganed about 7MB of storage memory but did not help the program memory I gues some of the T-Movbile stuff is part of the Rom and that sucks. when I did the first soft reset I kept looking for the hole on th right side of the phone but it was on the left, since I am right handed that to me is an inconvenience, the siding action on the keyboard is nice, typing on it is not bad at all, what I did not like about it is that it's slides open the opposite way the MDA does again I think that is another inconvenience for a right handed person since most people use their thumb to push the keyboard open, I thought to myself maybe they had a right handed and left handed version...lol.. beacause this is annoying for a right handed person, then again maybe its just me. I like the new "ok" and "windows" buttons the front keys are nice and easy to use I am not sure I like the side buttons lay out I liked them better on the MDA. Before I got this wing thing I wondered how the sound would be with one speaker well, I found out the sound on the MDA is louder when playing mp3 files and when the phone rings quality wise it's close but overall I like the MDA stereo speakers better, the camera on the wing is better quality of course it should be since it's 2.0 MP vs the 1.3 mp on the MDA.
Overall it's an ok device I think I have to give it a couple of weeks see how me and IT get along, but my number one wish is TO FLASH IT and get all that wasted memory back, and that will happen I just dont wanna falsh now because there is no ship rom to go back to in case I brick it.
anyway that was my opinion so far and I will post more as time goes.
SamanthaLovesPink said:
hey Im a happy MDA user but I have never been happy with the extreme slowness of the aim. Thats the only problem i have with my MDA, the msn messenger goes really quick i dont understand why the aim is soo slow.Is there any way i can make it faster!? ive tried numerous things since september of 06 lol. and does anybody know if the aim on the wing goes quicker? because Ive been eyeing the wing. help !
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try using IMplus it's fast and works well for all messengers.
Hi there. I've been a satisfied user of a SPV C600 for quite a long time. Now i'm moving to a touch-phone - TyTN, and therefore I have some questions. Are they (pocket pc phones) much less resistant than classic smartphones? Isn't the screen sensitive and easy to destroy? and finally, how is it practical comparing to a classic phone? And how it's with battery life?
I suggest you to buy the TYTN II (Kaiser). It has integrated GPS ;-)
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Hi there. I've been a satisfied user of a SPV C600 for quite a long time. Now i'm moving to a touch-phone - TyTN, and therefore I have some questions. Are they (pocket pc phones) much less resistant than classic smartphones? Isn't the screen sensitive and easy to destroy? and finally, how is it practical comparing to a classic phone? And how it's with battery life?
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The screens are not overly delicate, but you will need a protective case - don't just put it in your pocket. The battery life - just depends, count on charging it every day.
The phone functions differently from a pure phone. The phone menus and operations are via Windows Mobile. This gives some added functionality, but some folks would say it is a clumsier system than that of a pure phone.
My advice - if at all possible get a new TyTn or TyTn 2. There are many TyTns (original version) on ebay that have the screen alignment and white screen problems and there is no easy fix for either of these issues. The TyTn 2 is much less prone to either of these problems.
The original TyTn (Hermes) is apt to freezing and slowness. This is fixable with a bit of tweaking of the settings, a few registry changes and maybe even a new ROM. These kinds of things are what this site is all about and the help is here for that. Expect to spend time setting up a PPC phone - a bit like setting up your PC. So in this respect it's not like a more basic phone that is pretty much set up out of the box.
Mike
Yeah I know I'd need to set it up, I've had several palmphones before but never as primary phone (I have had only touchless smartphones as primaries). I'd buy a TyTN II but i haven't got that much money, (I don't need GPS, and I'd live with the 2 mpx camera, it's not that important for me) and I've bought recently a SPV M3100 for 109 pounds... still waiting to be delivered
and well - all that tweaking is what i love of WM phones I didn't have it on classic phones or even Symbian ones, and now I'm waitiiing ;D having a classic phone for several days and I must say I hate its simplicity!
palmphones - i mean PPC phones of course.
But Hermes isn't slow overall? I mean comparing it to an OMAP850...
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But Hermes isn't slow overall? I mean comparing it to an OMAP850...
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My AT&T 8525 (U.S. Hermes) was quite sluggish and had the tendency to lock up several times a day and need to have a soft reset done in order to get it up an running again. That all changed when I flashed the official AT&T WM6 ROM that had come out. Since then, it has been very solid and rarely needs a soft reset. Very snappy, as well.
All I do whenever I have to hard reset due to tinkering, is spend a few minutes removing all the AT&T bloat that comes in the ROM, getting the used storage memory down to about 5-6MB before I start installing things. Works for me and is very stable.
you have bought a good little phone - im exactly the same, if i purchase a phone it will not be a classic phone.. it'll be a WM phone lol.
the hermes isn't slow at all (imo) i cant compare to the omap but im sure you'll like it once you find a fast 6.1 rom