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Strange Boot up Message on 7501

Afternoon All,
I just picked up a 7501 at CompUSA, and noticed a strange message after a soft reset on the boot loader screen: "For Test Only. Not For Resale." Anybody ever seen this? Any ideas? Anything that I should look for in the unit to see if it differs from a "production" model?
Everything seems to work, and to be the stock WM6 ROM (17745.0.2.3). Going to find my copy of mtty and see what sort of data I can pull out of the boot loader.
EDIT:
IPL - v2.02
SPL - v1.10.0000

Same message happens on my 7501 here. Also aquired from Comp USA one week ago. I did an extensive search and found nothing about why this specific message is displayed. Maybe someone "more in the know" can let us know.

Wizarc said:
Same message happens on my 7501 here. Also aquired from Comp USA one week ago. I did an extensive search and found nothing about why this specific message is displayed. Maybe someone "more in the know" can let us know.
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See if Midget can help you with this. This may be of interest to us if you have something not yet released or something that got out by mistake.

seems you have a pre-production bootloader. a similar thing happened with the universals.

download the shipped rom here
http://www.america.htc.com/products/advantage7501/default.html
and click on software update on the right.
OR
click on the direct link below.
http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_Athena_HTC_US_2.19.453.4_105_1.47.51.00_Ship.exe
Also I have posted it on sendspace.com for faster download. (will expire soon)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ghcp1v
If one of the MODs could upload this to Xda-developers ftp site, it'd be much appreciated.

Is there a similar link to the shipped ROM for the x7500? This would make me feel more confident in flashing to WM6... g.
**EDIT** Before I get flamed, I just thought about looking in the FTP site, which I found by going to the wiki. I assume this is the latest??
RUU_Athena_HTC_WWE_1.25.405.2_1.38.00.00_Ship.exe
**EDIT** Yes, the ROM and Radio numbers match when I look in device info. I should delete this, but maybe someone else has a similar question.
** PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME! Just checking...

Midget_1990 said:
seems you have
a pre-production bootloader. a similar thing
happened with the universals.
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Midget,
Do you think that it is worth dumping the bootloader for you or Oli to play with?

Ninja1 said:
Midget,
Do you think that it is worth dumping the bootloader for you or Oli to play with?
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talk to oli

same thing here except i ordered mine 7501x from Amazon. I downloaded the ROM update from HTC america before i got the unit, but i updated it without a hitch and now that message went away, however i seem to have lost the Opera browser as one of my programs...anyone confirm that?

I switched mine to the new ROM as the one with the not for resale is pretty buggy, and I still have Opera.

Orange TOUCH 3 G. A few issues... Comments please.

Just had my HTC Touch 3G on the UK orange network for a few days and have been trying to set it up for my personal tastes etc...
The Orange UNIQUE function, is there a way to just have WiFi on or off, not the hybrid thing that orange seem to want you to use. On my previous HTC phone , a Titan, I just stopped GPRS connectivity and used WiFi but with the UNIQUE setup it doesn't seem possible to do this..
The contacts list, is there anyway to show the list with first name FIRST... I have tried to find a option in the setup menus but have not managed it yet..
Most if my contacts are on first name terms.. I know to look for Joe, Fred or Sally but trying to remember the last name or if I just saved as Joe @Garage etc is a pain for me...
Strange but if I view a individual contact, it appears in the correct order, First name first, last name last etc...
Any thoughts, help etc would be appreciated on a otherwise (so far anyway !) very good device..
Thanks Phil-w

The unique thing is bobbins, I contacted orange about it and the lady in customer services basically admitted that it meant I wouldn't be able to use wifi for normal data connections! So I took the plunge and flashed it to standard HTC ROM, all is well now! I would recommend you do the same!

Yeah as jmrenshaw said just flash your phone with htc rom.Those operator roms are blocking many things on the phone.Good luck.

Where can I get the standard ROM from HTC
Hi everyone,
I'm having a nightmare of a time with Orange's changes to the phone. I want to have the phone as it would be if I bought it offline. Please help me with this.
I assume I need to flash the ROM to the standard ROM but where do I get a hold of this and how do I flash the ROM? And would I be able to get back to Orange's setup in case need to warranty purposes?
Any help would be appreaciated.
Ziad

First Name list
phil-w said:
The contacts list, is there anyway to show the list with first name FIRST... I have tried to find a option in the setup menus but have not managed it yet..
Most if my contacts are on first name terms.. I know to look for Joe, Fred or Sally but trying to remember the last name or if I just saved as Joe @Garage etc is a pain for me...
Thanks Phil-w
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What you can do is: put first names in "File as" field, then the contact list will display first names. "Files as" will default to last name.

jmrenshaw said:
The unique thing is bobbins, I contacted orange about it and the lady in customer services basically admitted that it meant I wouldn't be able to use wifi for normal data connections! So I took the plunge and flashed it to standard HTC ROM, all is well now! I would recommend you do the same!
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I need help. I have started a new thread here :- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519047 to request help to debrand and flash an Orange HTC 3G. Please help me if you can.

ziffos said:
I need help. I have started a new thread to request help to debrand and flash an Orange HTC 3G. Please help me if you can.
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have you tried looking at this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=514406
? All you need to know is pretty much there.

jmrenshaw said:
have you tried looking at this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=514406
? All you need to know is pretty much there.
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Yes I have seen the thread you suggest, so many thanks however, as I say in my seperate thread - it is not the "reading" of the tutorial but it is the actual carrying out of the advice because of my physical disabilities.

ziffos said:
Yes I have seen the thread you suggest, so many thanks however, as I say in my seperate thread - it is not the "reading" of the tutorial but it is the actual carrying out of the advice because of my physical disabilities.
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I've managed to do what you want to do by using one of the dumps posted on the forum here and converting that into a ROM and then flashing the phone with that ROM. Its quite straight forward but I guess you're asking if someone can do that for you. Where abouts are you based?

ziadmannan said:
I've managed to do what you want to do by using one of the dumps posted on the forum here and converting that into a ROM and then flashing the phone with that ROM. Its quite straight forward but I guess you're asking if someone can do that for you. Where abouts are you based?
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Yes thanks, I am asking if someone will do it for me - sorry if I was vague but get a bit embarrassed! I have to use my mouth to type so using a "Touch" phone is great but when it comes to more intricate and complicated tasks, I am afraid it gets too difficult. I will be happy to pay of course - postage as well as paying for the job to be done. I just want to get rid of the Orange branded software as I find their software is too "fidly" and I also find that normal access to wifi is easier for me when not using Orange's silly "Unique Manager".
I am based in the UK.
EDIT - NOW SORTED - THANKYOU

Thanks Azahidi,
Slowly going through all the cantacts entries, pity there is no GLOBAL way to change the name order. (Unless I have missed it !!)
Phil-w

ziffos said:
Yes thanks, I am asking if someone will do it for me - sorry if I was vague but get a bit embarrassed! I have to use my mouth to type so using a "Touch" phone is great but when it comes to more intricate and complicated tasks, I am afraid it gets too difficult. I will be happy to pay of course - postage as well as paying for the job to be done. I just want to get rid of the Orange branded software as I find their software is too "fidly" and I also find that normal access to wifi is easier for me when not using Orange's silly "Unique Manager".
I am based in the UK.
EDIT - NOW SORTED - THANKYOU
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Hi Ziffos,
I didn't quite understand the bit at the end 'EDIT - NOW SORTED - THANKYOU'. Does this mean that you've managed to get your phone flashed? If you have then great! If not then I might be able to do it for you. Let me know.

Any help apreciated????
Hello
I have just read all the posts here about the Unique Manager and I completely agree. It is a nightmare, Orange UK have wrecked this phone. I have just got my Mrs. a contract on this phone as I intend to set up sat nav on it for her and I have the touch HD, so off the back of your comments I am looking to flash it.
It is running V1.71 and from reading the thrads I have to revert it back to V1.41, how easy did you find it to debrand it as it appears many people have had problems and I am worried about rendering the phone useless!!!!
I have never done anything like this before but I do understand the instructions as they are very indepth, but I am worried that if any exceptions or problems present themselves I won't be able to deal with it.
How straight forward is this process?
Any help is very much appreciated.

It was a long process but worth it!
Hi there,
I've flashed my phone about 2 weeks ago now and am having a much better experience. Actually I really love the phone now so my advice would be to go for it and flash it. I didn't actually read too many of the comments, I just followed the instructions and did it. Maybe just as well as I might have been put off.
Anyway the process was very long winded as I had to take someone's raw dump and then convert that into a ROM and then flash the phone with it. Took quite a long time but I definitely feel that it was worth it. I don't know how risky it is so can't really advise you on that.
I can send you the ROM file that I did generate if you want do it. I hope it goes as smoothly as it did for me if you do decide to go ahead with it.
Wadsy_uk said:
Hello
I have just read all the posts here about the Unique Manager and I completely agree. It is a nightmare, Orange UK have wrecked this phone. I have just got my Mrs. a contract on this phone as I intend to set up sat nav on it for her and I have the touch HD, so off the back of your comments I am looking to flash it.
It is running V1.71 and from reading the thrads I have to revert it back to V1.41, how easy did you find it to debrand it as it appears many people have had problems and I am worried about rendering the phone useless!!!!
I have never done anything like this before but I do understand the instructions as they are very indepth, but I am worried that if any exceptions or problems present themselves I won't be able to deal with it.
How straight forward is this process?
Any help is very much appreciated.
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does the UMA ability to connect to orange network via a wifi access point then a cell tower still work
thanks
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for the benefit of people who may be subscribed to this thread, I think I have found a fix for the orange rom using data connection instead of wifi, read on here:-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4517074&postcount=12
post back to that thread if it works for you!

Quietly Brilliant ROM Fixes

Is it just me or do any of you noticed how vague the descriptions for the camera, sd card and sms fix are? I mean there is nothing specific about what exactly is fixed. As an example:
Update for HTC HD2 SD Card Storage Capacity
This update for HTC HD2 further extends support of the SD Storage Capability. Taking pictures with your 5 Megapixel lens and dual LED flash can only truly be appreciated at the maximum quality, and now with this update, you will be able to appreciate how much more you can store in your 8GB or more SD Card.
What does that mean? More efficient compression of photos, or support for bigger cards eg 32GB? I tested before and after shots and do not see a decrease in files sizes of photos taken so your guess is as good as mine.
Then this:
Update for HTC HD2 – SMS Function Update
This update for HTC HD2 messaging lets you reach out to your friends and family with instant notifications. Keeping in touch has always been very important, and this update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.
Is it a fix for the stuck sms in outbox? Again it does not state exactly what was fixed. Is it because HTC does not want to admit to bugs? Then why do we need these updates?
I prefer straight-to-the-point logs of what exactly these update does. I would have skipped the sms update if I knew it only fixes the stuck sms as I do not have that problem so why fix something that is not broken.
Maybe I am not brilliant enough to read what's on HTC's mind with these vague updates. Quietly Brilliant indeed.

any complaints/hatred , please direct to HTC .
There are relevent threads in this forum if you need to garner more info

kensong said:
I prefer straight-to-the-point logs of what exactly these update does.
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I am SO with you on this. Very annoying!
Release notes? In general, a proper description of a bug fix should not require use of drivel like "keeping in touch has always been very important" - nor is it written by the marketing department.
EDIT: You'll be happy to know HTC just posted a new fix for the calendar view (though the download link is currently broken). Another meaningful description!
Update for HTC HD2 Calendar View
This update for HTC HD2 expands the dynamic nature of the Calendar application. Whether your week starts on Monday or Sunday, allowing you to view appointments occurring tomorrow, next week, or even next month.
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I have some theories on what it might fix, but you'll get no clues from the description...

Ahhh... The great "everything is good, even if some things are terrible" methodology of HTC.

I'm starting to think that they take one week to write the actual bug fix, and two weeks to write the description that goes along with it.

Link for calendar view doesnt work for me...when I press download new site opens saying that the page doesnt exist...

Not so sure about how quietly brilliant the "fixes" are.
SMS fix: Removes auto-lock and some email capability
Camera fix: Causes phone to freeze
Perhaps there is something wrong with my phone. I'm using the most up-to-date HTC rom as well.

Bence said:
Link for calendar view doesnt work for me...when I press download new site opens saying that the page doesnt exist...
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You got the exact same "Page not found..." error earlier this month when HTC first listed the 1.48 ROM on the downloads page for the HD2. The download was listed a day or two before the actual file was available...

Not on the HTC website any more, and neither is the 1.48 ROM?!
http://www.htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=297&act=sd&cat=all
EDIT: Was looking at the worldwide site not the Europe site, sorry!!

kivine said:
any complaints/hatred , please direct to HTC .
There are relevent threads in this forum if you need to garner more info
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No hatred. Just wanted to see if I am alone in feeling that HTC is being vague with their fixes and I have directed this to HTC so I will feedback to the forum if there are any response from them.
As for getting more info from this forum, I think it would not have been necessary if HTC had made clear what was exactly fixed, because this forum can only provide educated guesses on what HTC did with the updates. Nothing like hearing it from the horses mouth.

Karlos G said:
Not on the HTC website any more, and neither is the 1.48 ROM?!
http://www.htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=297&act=sd&cat=all
EDIT: Was looking at the worldwide site not the Europe site, sorry!!
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It is still there if you follow the link in Post #3. I just downloaded it and it says this is applicable for ALL Roms. I wonder why it was removed from the main site. This is exactly what I mean. The Read Me is so vague I am wondering if I should apply the patch and since it was removed, are ther problems with it... hmmm.

after the SD update my i can now store 9862, before it was 5028

Yeah i've made this point in other threads elsewhere in the forum. The hotfix descriptions are infuriating. HTC should be explicit about what the fix is supposed to actually fix. Otherwise, how is the user-base supposed to assess the effectiveness of the patch? Descriptions for these updates should not be written like sales pitches; we've already bought the device! They should be written in a functional, technical way, detailing precisely what has changed. I actually find this issue far more frustrating than the bugs themselves. It's patronising to customers, and unprofessional.

It seems to have fixed the capitalisation issue. What it has not done is addressed the facts that (1) it won't let you start typing until it's loaded all the messages between you and that person which takes ages if you have more than about 20 messages between you, and (2) that it randomly goes over to number mode completely unprompted and the only way to type letters is to go landscape full QWERTY.
They could do with sorting this out.

eagerly waiting for my HD2 have some questions

Hi I sold my telstra touch hd and briefly went to google for a month and had the droid. It was a fair phone and had a great UI and i liked certain things such as google navigation the handcent sms, google voice. However certain deal breakers started to arise, I could not surf the internet and talk on the phone at the same time, there was no sirius radio application, the soft keyboard was terrible, the mms still needed work, i missed copy and paste, i didnt like all the "green" that was everywhere, no decent attractive music player. Anyhow I went promptly back to ATT and ordered the hd2 telstra. I know how to hard spl my phone put in roms etc, my questions are:
1. what is the most commonly used navigation software for winmo or what is the best to use with the hd2? I have been searching but can't seem to pick one, is there a cab around here? is it already bundled with hd2?
2. what roms are being offered that do no include htc messaging? I seem to have only found one. Does anyone know which chefs there are that offer this? i went on htc pedia and it seems like miri and dutty dont offer this removal yet for hd2.
3. is there a voice to text cab available much like google 2.1's voice to text?
4. i want to install facebook panel onto the hd2 and i think i found a thread that tells you how, or does anyone have a tutorial?
5. google just released a web app for iphone for their google voice, has anyone tried this web app on their hd2? or what is the best gv dialer to use at the moment?
6. is pandora now available for hd2?
i think thats it your help is most appreciated, please dont attack me if these are similar questions asked before, i did go over the forum and searched thank yu

is there anyone that can help

Gateau Noël said:
2. what roms are being offered that do no include htc messaging? I seem to have only found one. Does anyone know which chefs there are that offer this? i went on htc pedia and it seems like miri and dutty dont offer this removal yet for hd2.
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You can just remove it yourself. That's what I did.

Gateau Noël said:
1. what is the most commonly used navigation software for winmo or what is the best to use with the hd2? I have been searching but can't seem to pick one, is there a cab around here? is it already bundled with hd2?
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I don't know if the "Oz" version comes with it but in the UK it comes with a trial version of Co-Pilot as part of the rom although its not that hard to add other apps instead of this...at the moment Igo,Tomtom,GarminXT and Navigon seem to be the most popular add ons (tried them all myself and TT's winning for me so far as I'm pretty familiar with it although I do like the "live" services you get with Garmin )

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You can just remove it yourself. That's what I did.
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i read about that however if you remove it you lose the mms functionality and they havent figured out how to put that back, im looking for a rom where the chef got rid of it themselves and its just the pocket outlook sms with mms as well

can anyone else answer my questions?

Weather App HTC

No HTC Weather and no navigator Copilot. Camera looks like crap also.
I just upgraded to W7 not because i wanted to but because I got so sick and tired of 6.5 not working. Not a thing I could do, 3/10 times I had to reset.
But Now where is all the applications? Where is the HTC weather application and the games and everything else my phone use to have. Maybe I am missing something or it is so obvious i have not seen it. BUt I want my home page to display critical info like it did in htc with 6.5. And I need my navigator maps back also. Co-pilot cannot find any navigators anywhere.
And is there a work around for the market place issue.

ocacia said:
I just upgraded to W7 not because i wanted to but because I got so sick and tired of 6.5 not working. Not a thing I could do, 3/10 times I had to reset.
But Now where is all the applications? Where is the HTC weather application and the games and everything else my phone use to have. Maybe I am missing something or it is so obvious i have not seen it. BUt I want my home page to display critical info like it did in htc with 6.5. And I need my navigator maps back also. Co-pilot
And is there a work around for the market place issue.
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read the stickied threads in this forum and all questions will be answered.
Here is the short answer.
You can get full Live services working (with Market access) to download all of the apps you want with the simple tutorials in this forum

ocacia said:
no htc weather and no navigator copilot. Camera looks like crap also.
I just upgraded to w7 not because i wanted to but because i got so sick and tired of 6.5 not working. Not a thing i could do, 3/10 times i had to reset.
But now where is all the applications? Where is the htc weather application and the games and everything else my phone use to have. Maybe i am missing something or it is so obvious i have not seen it. But i want my home page to display critical info like it did in htc with 6.5. And i need my navigator maps back also. Co-pilot cannot find any navigators anywhere.
And is there a work around for the market place issue.
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you can use navigon with uk maps.
New camera full resolution is available plus htc weather is downloadable also you can get the weather channel on app market.
Wp7 is excellent for my hd2 you just need to search & yee shall find my friend.

HTC weather app link
Do you have a direct link to download the HTC weather. I use this app a lot as I do photography in different countries.

either download HTC Hub after you get marketplace access or just flash this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=944995
it's cooked into the ROM, as is chevron etc.. so all you have to do to get market access is call MS and get a code.

God help u another issue
Now that problem has a solution I have to spend 3 years in PhD School just to sync the dam thing. Why would i want my contacts and agendas in cyberspace? Sensitive info is between outlook and my phone.
These guys are forcing us into a place I am not comfortable with. Too much is syncing with too much. I visit Imdb and all my friends know. I go to the toilet and it comes up on skype "In the toilet"
Soon they will just digitize us into F.B.

More reading existing threads and less *****ing please.

I am venting because I though technology should make it easier. Drop the device on the cradle it syncs and that is that. Why is it so hard to sync. Why change a good thing? I have no idea why improve trivial things like the aesthetic and lose the things business people need (the entire reason for the smart phone is not music and videos)
I can vent cant i?
My Business HTC has now become a Toy Iphone, better at music than anything related to work. I think after reading the sync issue is a deal breaker, let me get this thing off my phone I have work to do.

http://www.companionlink.com/windowsphone/outlook/
maybe a fix for the sync issue

bravo.... afraid of syncing with the cloud, and solve it by syncing with g**gle? lol...

ocacia said:
Now that problem has a solution I have to spend 3 years in PhD School just to sync the dam thing.
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I think in your case its going to be alot longer than 3 years!
You've just installed an OS on your phone that you know nothing about, did you not think of doing a little bit of "reading" about WP7 before you put it on your phone
I'm not going to tell you whats just happened to your SD card

honestly why did they make it so hard?
Why force people to depend on the internet?
Why stop all the features that made me get rid of my Iphone.
Yes the UI is a dream, and 6.5 was a punishment but the good thing was flexiblity. Drop stuff on your SD card. And what happens when you are in some strangers house and need to give them a photo or a file?
Document sync needs another PhD.
I am on teh fence cuz I like the user interface because it works so fast and clean.
W7 the best way to convert your Business HTC into an Iphone.

I read about it, and the reviews didnt tell me about the sync issue or the office issues. Would it be so stupid to assume that a bloody smart Phone (i.e not a stupid phone) should be able to sync with easy. Now I have owned every smart phone known to manking even the good old Psion and the XDA o2, for the first time I have seen a smart phone turn into a normal phone.

Sell the phone, leave this forum. It will only mean fewer pointless spam threads like this one for the rest of the members who actually are able to read.

ocacia said:
And what happens when you are in some strangers house and need to give them a photo or a file?
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You can set WP7 to sync that stuff automatically with your skydrive. You can just give people the URL...

@ chumaj001 if you dont like a thread why are you replying Is communism forcing you to make useless remarks? NEVER understand these kind of people. You dont like it but you feel good by talking trash. Some of us actually buy these phones for their applications in the real world not for gadget boys toys.

I do have the solution to all you problems.....
Send me your HD2 and I will give you my old Nokia 6110 phone. It has no issues at all and does a great job calling and receiving calls. Seems perfect for your needs and level,
Cheers !

ocacia said:
honestly why did they make it so hard?
Why force people to depend on the internet?
Why stop all the features that made me get rid of my Iphone.
Yes the UI is a dream, and 6.5 was a punishment but the good thing was flexiblity. Drop stuff on your SD card. And what happens when you are in some strangers house and need to give them a photo or a file?
Document sync needs another PhD.
I am on teh fence cuz I like the user interface because it works so fast and clean.
W7 the best way to convert your Business HTC into an Iphone.
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XDA isnt the place to complain about Microsoft products.
please send your feedback to [email protected]
I am sure the CEO will do something about it just for you.