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VMWARE with WM6?

I just ordered my Shift and I keep thinking to myself if I use a trimmed up version of vmware and used the hack to boot native to vmware like in other windows machines, that I may be able to get a different os running like full wm6 then maybe we could make phone calls =-]

no that's not going to be possible...

wmware is not an emulator it's a virtual machine
so the hardware is the same as in x86 rather then arm which wm is

whoops
whoops, got a little too excited there, thought I found a solution for him.

vmware can't replicate wm systems.

http://mobiledevdesign.com/software_design/open-kernel-labs-okl4-software-0521/

What operating system do you use???

basically i want to know if you use windows, mac, or linux, and why you use that OS, and also how many people have yet to root their phone because it seems too complicated. i am currently working on a script runable in linux and soon to be runable in windows that will automatically root your phone for you. all you will need to do is run the command, hit enter a few times, set up a setting in anycut(which will be installed on the phone after flashing to RC29) and walk away, or you can sit there and stare at it if you want.
but since i know there are those three main OS's i wanted to know if i should continue trying to get this automated and running in all three operating systems.

I use all of the above so I can't vote. And technically if you own an Android phone you're using Linux.

Ron Overdrive said:
I use all of the above so I can't vote. And technically if you own an Android phone you're using Linux.
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Well which do you use to do work on your phone? And I know by using android you are using linux which is why I made sure to say "on your main computer" I use linux to work on my phones, but I can use windows on my friend's comp

tubaking182 said:
Well which do you use to do work on your phone? And I know by using android you are using linux which is why I made sure to say "on your main computer" I use linux to work on my phones, but I can use windows on my friend's comp
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Lately I've been using Windows 7 since I'm giving it a go to see if I want to return to Windows or not after the Vista blunder.
Honestly though I'd make an OS independent way of doing it to simplify it. Like make it in Java, Python, or in Mono so it'll be one app for all 3 OS's.

Why did you say "M$" in the poll option and not "Microsoft". I thought bagging Microsoft for no good reason stopped being cool 5 years ago?

because up until recently if you were to try and get ahold of a copy of XP an older and "obsolete" operating system they charged nuch more than they charged you for a copy of the crappy vista that the deemed perfect. the company will do anything to make more money than they chould be making, they overcharge for everything and quite frankly i would rag on mac too but it has been a long time since i touched a mac. these days i don't pay for a thing when it comes to my computer software, if there is not a free alternative then i don't need the program. software companies charge an arm and a leg for their software and then they whine and cry that people are pirating it. take a look at photoshop. over 60% of the copies of photoshop that are installed on computers nationwide are pirated copies, and is it any wonder? adobe wants to charge nearly $900 for a piece of intangible software, i'll stick with gimp

I've got an old iMac I still use (OS 9.2), and my main pc is quad boot (XP Pro, Vista, 7, and Unbuntu), and my netbook is dual boot from the hard drive (XP Pro & Vista) and I've got persistant install of Ubuntu on an sdhc card, and a live install of GOS on an sd card.
So I think there should be an option of "All of the above".

Linux here as a desktop OS since the times of Slackware 9.1
Windows XP for commercial development (C# )
I am giving Windows 7 a try too

Work: WinXP
Home: Win7 Beta
Laptop: Currently XP, switching to Ubuntu or some other linux flavor this weekend.
I primarily use Windows because i'm more of a PC Gamer than console. I'd most likely switch completely to Linux >IF< the game industry went full throtle into Linux development. Not talking about a Windows Emulator on linux to run windows games, but coding games natively for Linux.
I think this is a great Idea. I've rooted my phone to get themes and auto-rotation and the updated APN Radio stuff on it. Showed it to some of my friends and they want to root as well, but want me to do it for them cause they are nervous. I tried explaining that if they just follow the step by step instructions, they will be fine. So this will certainly make things easier for them.
tubaking182 said:
basically i want to know if you use windows, mac, or linux, and why you use that OS, and also how many people have yet to root their phone because it seems too complicated. i am currently working on a script runable in linux and soon to be runable in windows that will automatically root your phone for you. all you will need to do is run the command, hit enter a few times, set up a setting in anycut(which will be installed on the phone after flashing to RC29) and walk away, or you can sit there and stare at it if you want.
but since i know there are those three main OS's i wanted to know if i should continue trying to get this automated and running in all three operating systems.
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ASUS G1Sn: Dual Boot Vista and Ubuntu, Vista will be replaced when win7 is final
Asus eeepc 1000H dual boot: Windows 7 Beta 1 and XP
I use Vista mainly because Its not that bad despite some of its problems. A few registry tweaks, scratch that a LOT of registry tweaks go a long way Looking forward to windows 7! I like the freedom with Linux but I don't have the time needed to tinker with it and its a hassle. Hackintosh was alright when I used it, mac os is meh. mac hardware is sexy though. Gimme hardware and keep your OS apple ^^

windows vista on my laptop and windows XP at work.
i rooted to JF 1.42 RC33 but i fumbled my way through...i'm sure anyone with equal or lower "skillz" as me would greatly appreciate the automated root.
thx!

hellbringer626 said:
Hackintosh was alright when I used it, mac os is meh. mac hardware is sexy though. Gimme hardware and keep your OS apple ^^
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Heh, I'm the opposite. Mac hardware only looks good, but underneath its poorly put together and the designs are flawed. I can build a decent looking hackintosh that looks just as good. The OS, however, has a lot of potential assuming Apple allows people to customize their experience without hacking the OS to install a theme and stops locking it into their crappy hardware setup. After all its a heavily commercialized BSD hybrid that makes some things much easier.
MoridinBG said:
Linux here as a desktop OS since the times of Slackware 9.1
Windows XP for commercial development (C# )
I am giving Windows 7 a try too
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I take it what you're doing doesn't work with MONO (it supports up to C# 3.0)? I know people who do C# development work on Mac OS X thanks to MONO.

It cannot be categorized into one vote I need two.
Yeah I know it sucks but I have to have at least one machine with Windows because I am a gamer and until the day that Linux has the same level of 3D application/Gaming support I will always need windows.
Though for everything else I'm either testing the Kubuntu 9.04 Alpha or using Kubuntu 8.10.

I use Mac and the only thing I haven't been able to do with it is format my sd to EXT2, so I end up using my Vista In Parallels. Now, Does anybody knows why in my Mac shows ext2 as one of the format options but doesn't seems to work right

My Labtop Has Windows Vista and Ubuntu
And My Two Desktops Have Windows XP

Dual booted with Vista Ultimate x64 and Ubuntu.

Dual boot with Fedora 10 & Windows XP sp3
Windows xp gets used once in a blue moon to play a game. Most of the main windows applications I used can be run in wine these days. Everything else is vastly easier to do in linux.

I run XP at work, and Tri-boot of Vista/Win7/Ubuntu at home.
I would have thought that if you can't understand how to root your G1...you really don't need to root it in the first place??

I run almost exclusively Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on at least 5 machines (6 if you count the ps3 in). I run no dual boot but I have XP post SP3 in Virtualbox on my main machine for my bank but I will solve that later as the bank officially now supports Ubuntu but my current certificate is incompatible.
I run Ubuntu because I don't get any problem with viruses, trojans, malware, spyware and clogged registry. I also run Ubuntu because almost everything can be done from the command line. You can mod almost all parts of Ubuntu including Linux. It's free and I can make the modifications I want to the source code. Some applications and drivers are proprietary which can be a pain but that's how the current state is and usually you don't need so many proprietary parts. There are many free apps available via apt-get, both using official repository, ppa:s and external repositories. I find Linux distributions more modular than Windows. There's less problem with unsupported old hardware like in newer editions of Windows. Canon and HP skipped Vista support for both our scanner and printer. Only the basic features of the printer worked. In Ubuntu I get a lot more information from the printer with CUPS than with Vista and the inbuilt driver. The scanner was impossible to make work on x64 Vista. x86 worked but it was an ugly driver hack with the old xp driver and not optimal. Most hardware drivers for old components are built in into Linux.
I've tried Vista many times and it has not met my expectations of a good OS. My latest TX tablet crashed while I finished the configuration and went to burn the recovery discs. I tested ram and the harddrive and there were no problems. After running Ubuntu on that machine for quite a while I consider it stable. My previous TX computer had similar problems. The lack of drivers for old hardware, the lack of a good CLI and the need for all the protection makes me look elsewhere. Windows 7 is looking a lot better but It's far from what I want to use. I tried powershell and I just wanted to get out of there quickly. I've used MAC OSX including 10.1, 10.4 and 10.5 and I like it a lot. Unfortunately as you may have understood OSX is exclusively made for MAC:s. It runs on many x86/x86_64 pc:s but often there is always something not running properly.
If Apple would make OSX available for PC:s with BIOS (which they most likely won't because then they wouldn't sell as many MAC:s) I would use it. The Ubuntu GUI is good if you change the theme but Aqua on OSX is much better.
I think we are heading more towards cloud based OS:S / webOS:s /online-OS:s.
Sorry for the rant. I just felt like writing.

Debian linux testing version..

Should I move to linux?

I was deciding whether or not to move to Ubuntu.
I'm wondering if these things will work:
ADB
Microsoft Office
Adobe products
Opera/Chrome
HP wireless Printer
Drivers for my HP laptop.
I'm mainly worried about ADB, and Microsoft Office. Will I have to learn new things, any things i should know?
Oh yah I will be doing a fresh install no paritioning, as my computer is only 150gb mem.

Hmmm...
I have zero experience with it, but I was thinking about running a ubuntu virtual machine on my new laptop. (Sorry for mentioning my new laptop two posts in a row.)

Why not just run Linux inside a VM for a while...or permanently. You can run MS Office with Wine or Crossover Office and some Windows programs can be run through Wine. However, it's probably easier to just run a Linux VM or run Windows inside a VM on Linux.

id say no, i love android and webos and they are linux but linux on the pc IMO just sucks . windows 7 all the way! if you want to dabble in linux i recommend ubuntu in a VM.

I duel boot mint which is built off ubuntu and adb works fine just have to download the linux version. all of my laptop drivers worked out of the box. open office is free and was made for linux and will read any of the microsoft office docs and save them in microsoft doc format.

fixxxer2008 said:
id say no, i love android and webos and they are linux but linux on the pc IMO just sucks . windows 7 all the way! if you want to dabble in linux i recommend ubuntu in a VM.
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Im on 7 right now, but I'm having problems with flash, and my speaker drivers.
I really don't wanna revert back to vista.

chococrazy said:
Im on 7 right now, but I'm having problems with flash, and my speaker drivers.
I really don't wanna revert back to vista.
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thats funny, usually 7 installs the needed drivers automatically.

chococrazy said:
I was deciding whether or not to move to Ubuntu.
I'm wondering if these things will work:
ADB
Microsoft Office
Adobe products
Opera/Chrome
HP wireless Printer
Drivers for my HP laptop.
I'm mainly worried about ADB, and Microsoft Office. Will I have to learn new things, any things i should know?
Oh yah I will be doing a fresh install no paritioning, as my computer is only 150gb mem.
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ADB will work once set up properly.
Microsoft Office will be a no go, but you'll have options like Open Office.
Older versions of Photoshop function through Wine. Last I checked CS4 was still buggy.
Firefox will likely be your browser of choice.
Your results may vary with hardware drivers... most everything is supported with a default Ubuntu Install.
If you are to start off, I'd recommend Ubuntu as your starting point. Absolutely the most user friendly distro.

32 of 64 bit? What model pc/laptop do you have?

you could try it with the wubi installer. It installs like a program with windows so it is easier to remove, but you still get to boot to it (without losing windows boot loader) so it is much better than a VM.

why is this thread even in the hero section? maybe go to neowin and ask there.

What version of Windows are you using. If you are running Vista Pro or Windows 7 you can use Microsoft's VM. If not you could download Sun Virtual Box. Right now I am using Sun VM, but am looking for something else, because it won't let me make the OS in the VM Fullscreen. So far I haven't used the VM for anything, but I know it is alot easier to edit the boot.img and kernal if you really want to. That is my next thing to learn as I am in the process of making my own ROM.
Best suggestion I have is.......
before wiping your hard disk and installing Ubuntu, download a VM and install it in there. Once in there you can download everything you want to use and see how well you like it.

hey, vmware player will let you go fullscreen. but if ya just want linux, i'm telling ya, wubi is the way to go.

danaff37 said:
hey, vmware player will let you go fullscreen. but if ya just want linux, i'm telling ya, wubi is the way to go.
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I must admit it looks intriguing. Testing it on my netbook now.

Yeah, I recommend you try a VM, or at the most dual boot. You could do a cross between the two, which doesn't require partitions. You can use the program Wubi, which comes on their official discs and install ubuntu inside windows, but it will run as a secondary boot. For the most part, this method gives you full access to your computer, but won't be able to hibernate in ubuntu. Its also not as fast as a real install and you are limited to 30 gigs, but if you decide you no longer want it, you can uninstall it from windows.

I'd start off with an Ubuntu Live CD. Just burn it and boot with it. It'll give you the option of installing if you want to, but it's not required at all.
That way you can get a feel for Linux and see if it's really something you want to commit to.
If you like it, then you can install it; and if you don't like it then you're only out one CDR.
Photoshop will be pretty much a no-go except through Wine; you may have to get comfortable with The Gimp.
MS Office is not something I'd bet on having working; OpenOffice is the native solution.
I'd imagine ADB works fine, the others here know better than I do.
There's a version of Opera for Linux, and a beta version of Chrome for Linux as well.
Drivers are usually the weak spot with Linux if you have really new hardware. If your stuff is a year or two old you should be fine, drivers will most likely download pretty much automatically or will otherwise be easy to get; the Live CD will be a good test of this.

momoceio said:
32 of 64 bit? What model pc/laptop do you have?
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64bit capable, but I like running 32bit.
Hp Pavillion dv9000 (AMD turion 64 x2 hardrive)

Thanks for this thread. This is def going to inspire me to actually try a ubuntu vm very soon.

chococrazy said:
64bit capable, but I like running 32bit.
Hp Pavillion dv9000 (AMD turion 64 x2 hardrive)
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how much ram you got? if it isn't above 2-3gb go with 32bit install.
if you want to try linux install ubuntu or kunbuntu via wubi or VM.

danaff37 said:
hey, vmware player will let you go fullscreen. but if ya just want linux, i'm telling ya, wubi is the way to go.
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Might try that one.
jesuspgt said:
I'd start off with an Ubuntu Live CD. Just burn it and boot with it. It'll give you the option of installing if you want to, but it's not required at all.
That way you can get a feel for Linux and see if it's really something you want to commit to.
If you like it, then you can install it; and if you don't like it then you're only out one CDR.
Photoshop will be pretty much a no-go except through Wine; you may have to get comfortable with The Gimp.
MS Office is not something I'd bet on having working; OpenOffice is the native solution.
I'd imagine ADB works fine, the others here know better than I do.
There's a version of Opera for Linux, and a beta version of Chrome for Linux as well.
Drivers are usually the weak spot with Linux if you have really new hardware. If your stuff is a year or two old you should be fine, drivers will most likely download pretty much automatically or will otherwise be easy to get; the Live CD will be a good test of this.
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Everything for mine were found automatically. My laptop is about 2 years old. The Gimp is okay. That's what I'm using.

[Q] Boot camp?

So my roommate in college has a Sandy Bridge macbook pro 13." He (like me) is an engineering major and wants to run Windows on his computer for solidworks and other software. I am probably going to set up boot camp for him over the weekend because he doesn't know much about computers.
Basically I want this to be short and a one time deal. Does anyone here have experience with windows 8 on a mbp? Are the drivers released and/or functional? Or would I be better off putting on windows 7 right now. He is interested in windows 8 but if it means he loses major functionality then I think he would be better off with 7. We can get both for free right now through DreamSpark.
I am running windows 8 on my thinkpad, so I don't need the pros and cons of the OS itself, just the experience on a macbook pro.

I just recently used bootcamp to load Windows 8 Pro on a Macbook Pro 8,1 (early 2011).
Make sure you have bootcamp 5.0 installed. If you are up-to-date with Mountain Lion then 5.0 should be installed.
Open Bootcamp Assistant in OSX; Select the option to download and burn the latest Bootcamp Windows Support Software. It takes a long time to download, so hang in there, and have a blank dvd ready in your optical drive.
You should have a Windows 8 dvd image/iso (either purchased or otherwise acquired) and the bootcamp 5.0 Windows Support Software DVD you just downloaded and burned. Put the MS W8 DVD in the drive, and using bootcamp assistant in OSX select a Windows 7 install, choose your bootcamp partition size, format, and reboot.
When you get into the W8 setup after the reboot make sure you format the bootcamp partition you just made. It needs to be partitioned in a NTFS format.
When you get through the W8 install and are on the desktop, do not reboot. Put the Bootcamp 5 windows support software dvd in and install the drivers etc. Reboot when it's done.
After reboot, find the bootcamp icon in the taskbar, select it and go through the tabs to change trackpad settings and to pick if you boot into Windows or OSX after a reboot. If you right click on the bootcamp icon in the taskbar you can also choose to "reboot into OSX"
Everything is working great so far. I really like Windows 8 and have pretty much abandoned OSX now. I'm looking to get a 256GB ssd for a dedicated W8 install and then move my 320GB stock HDD to the optibay.
You might want to setup a quick VM with virturalbox or whatever else to see if you or your friend like W8, and everything you need to be compatible is compatible.
EDIT: Apple has not officially released Windows 8 boot camp support. However, my install is running without issue with the drivers that are available.

OK thanks. looks like 8 is the way to go. I just have a couple more questions.
First, will the 64-bit version work fine? I don't know how much RAM his computer has but I don't wanna waste another dvd burning 32-bit when I have a 64-bit from my computer.
Second, how should I partition the hdd? I have no clue how much space osx needs compared to windows. The hdd is 250gb and he will probably just install ~10gb or less of software.

Just wanted to let you know multi-touch does not work...other than that it's really stable and if you friend has the 2010 or 2011 macbook pro it has 4gb ram, so it can handle 32bit version, I'm running windows 8 pro via boot camp it's all good.
Edited: there's trackpad++ driver that bring multi-touch functions back....

htc fan89 said:
Just wanted to let you know multi-touch does not work...other than that it's really stable and if you friend has the 2010 or 2011 macbook pro it has 4gb ram, so it can handle 32bit version, I'm running windows 8 pro via boot camp it's all good.
Edited: there's trackpad++ driver that bring multi-touch functions back....
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Are W8 navigation trackpad gestures working or just two finger scroll? Two finger scroll worked for me out of the box, well, after installing the Bootcamp 5.0 Windows Support Software.

XP Tips and Tricks

After years of running the wondrous pof's Hardy 8.04.1 Shift setup, I've gone back to XP. Mainly because Links2 (the fastest browser for this ancient hardware) no longer works with all sites due to its lack of security updates.
cygwin's Links2 2.14 for Windows has enough updated security, so one can visit any site. slimjet chrome browser for XP still syncs with google, but site-rendering is pretty glacial.
As usual, the sd card reader in XP is buggy, mostly due to its old 2002 driver that seems un-updatable. First, I've only gotten a 2GB-or-below card to be recognized. Secondly, the card has to be reinserted upon booting into XP and can also disappear upon resume-after-suspend. But the second issue is solved if one uses devcon.exe and a batch script disabling/reenabling the card driver:
Code:
@echo off
"C:\devcon.exe" disable =SDHost
timeout /t 2
"C:\devcon.exe" enable =SDHost
If anybody else is still using XP, it'd be interesting to hear any of your own workarounds.
I keep dragging my Shift out of mothballs and it's still one of the great niche devices.
Jake

I've only used Vista, Windows 7 and 10 on my HTC Shift, but now it is too slow with any of them so in the next few days, I'm planning on repurposing my Shift to become an offline retro-machine. Therefor I'm intending to install XP on it for the first time. I'll share my experiences on this forum. I'm intending to mostly use it for games and c64 emulation.

Did anyone manage to find Win XP drivers for the Shift?
Thanx

TRoN_1 said:
Did anyone manage to find Win XP drivers for the Shift?
Thanx
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'fraid not.
XP runs well, and the sound works, but I couldn't get optimal screen resolution, and many programs and games (such as Halo, FSX and even basic C64 emulators) refuse to run due to missing drivers.
Since XP has not had security support for a long time, I don't connect XP to the internet, nor do I download any of the general XP driver bundles that are available.
So XP HTC Shift is kind-of useful but not as much as I had hoped. I'm thinking of going back to an offline Windows 7.
I uploaded a couple of HTC Shift Windows XP videos today on YouTube. Here are the links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LbdGV1Rjg&t=9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTU6Kvua7oI&t=458s