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Hi, after installing MarkVan's true VGA package in this link
http://www.jaml.com/MvRTrueVGA/, I have identified the following issues that I'm still unable to solved. I thought that a special thread to address specifically problems after this installation might be helpful.
I'll start by first listing what I've identified as problems:
1) setting>system>backlight screen could not be used. This problem is serious, as somehow by default, the backlight is switched off after just a few seconds in true VGA mode. Even if I try, using QVGA mode to change it such that backlight will not be switched off, as soon as I toggle back to the true VGA mode, it is switched off after 10 seconds again.
2)setting>system>clear storage screen is garbed. It is difficult to make up what the input instruction are in performing hard reset. Not critical but would be nice if the screen could be fixed.
3)setting>system>power screen is garbed due to wrong sized icon. This is minor problem.
4) Setting>system>TV out screen title has the wrong font. Minor problem
5) Setting>system>VueFLO screen title has wrong sized font. Minor problem
6)setting>connection>comm manager screen is garbed. Not being able to control the connection could be quite a problem. In this application, the Settins>Wireless LAN screen is also garbed. I can solve this problem by installing Commmgrpro to give exactly the same functionality, however. Therefore, I would say this is not really an issue. But would be nice if someone already know how to solve this.
7)setting>connection>wireless Lan heading and the screen is garbed. The screen could not be used. The font sizes within all tabs are of wrong sizes. Again, CommmgrPro solves this problem by replacing this.
8)setting>personal>phone (pin2 and "more" tab) are garbed
9) Phone. Although I've applied VJbigpohne, I'm somehow unable to get exactly the same effect as what vj has in his screen shot. His screen shot showed that the numbers are nicely sitting in the centre of the phone buttons and the phone stretches all the way to the bottom of the screen. Mine looks different and ugly. The numbers are sitting to the extreme right edge of the buttons and there is a blank space at the bottom of the screen. I would like to fix this to look good
10) Spb GPRS monitor plugin has wrong sized font. As a result, I cannot see the download speed of my connection. The main application itself, which shows in chart form the usage has no problem. I have been looking for another product that works fully under VGA mode to replace the Spb GPRS monitor, but none of them gives me the download speed (They only shows the total MB downloaded, but not the Kbps info)
11)Pocket music. In landscape mode the option and playlist buttons are missing. In portrait mode there is no such problem. edit: this is not the vga problem,as it also behaves the same way I'm qvga mode.
12) Software Input Panel, or the soft keyboards, are soooo small, that they are unuseable. The standard big keyboard was nice as I can use my finger to type it without covering up the screen. If it is not possible to use the original soft keyboard, then I would like to use the HiKeyboard, because this keyboard has the ability to also do the job the the Spb full keyboard, as well as provide a calculator keypad. I like Hikeyboard the best, among all the ones I've evaluated. However, with MvrTrueVGA, I'd be forced to use only the resco keyboard. I prefer not to pay for resco keyboard, and to pay for Spb full keyboard, when I can just pay for Hikeyboard. I also much prefer HiKeyboard over Spb Full keyboard because it has the option to reveal what you have typed without exiting the full keyboard. Coming to the worst I'd get the Resco Keyboard although it is not as good as the Hikeyboard, so I supposed this is not the most seriuos matter.
13) Quick GPS program does not display correctly, and at the bottom of the screen display does not reach all the way to the edge of the screen. It looks ugly. Also, you can't see vital date and validity information on this screen.
14) Pocket Mechanics - The icons are too big and the characters are too small. It look real ugly as compared to the QVGA appearance.
15) My VOIP client SJPhone does not stretch all the way to the bottom. In landscape mode, the bottom part of the applications are cut off, while it leaves a big hole on the right. EDIT: qvga display landscape mode is also faulty I'm the same way.
16) In QVGA mode, my H and G indicator for data download has disappeared under true VGA mode. In place of the H (which means HSDPA connection is available), it shows the "connection is active" indicator instead.
In place of "HSDPA is in use" indicator, it shows just the signal strength without indicating whether I'm on a UMTS or HSDPA connection.
There might be more problems with other applications which I have not listed, and if you know of any, please add them in as a repository for all of us to look at.
It is possible that some of you have got solutions to the above problems.
If so, let's post the solution here, quoting the problem number if you can.
Thanks guys and gals
I'm not sure (and I'm happy if I'm wrong) but I think the best answer is:
"Yeah, but what'cha gonna do..."
WM5 is not intended to be used in full 640x480 mode, roumors will have it that WM6 is. So let's keep our hopes up.
But you obviously have more problems than me. Most screens are good and readable for me, except the phone (before applying VJBigPhone), Clear Storage, QuickGPS and the G/E/U/H icons + signal level. Of all these, the GEUH and signal level indicator is the only thing I "need" fixed (I can live with the rest).
Moskus said:
I'm not sure (and I'm happy if I'm wrong) but I think the best answer is:
"Yeah, but what'cha gonna do..."
WM5 is not intended to be used in full 640x480 mode, roumors will have it that WM6 is. So let's keep our hopes up.
But you obviously have more problems than me. Most screens are good and readable for me, except the phone (before applying VJBigPhone), Clear Storage, QuickGPS and the G/E/U/H icons + signal level. Of all these, the GEUH and signal level indicator is the only thing I "need" fixed (I can live with the rest).
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Hi Moskus,
Thanks for the reply.
May I get more specific about what you're having?
a) You mean your soft input panel (on screen keyboard) is not too tiny? Are you using Resco keyboard to overcome the problem? Are you able to use the standard with no problem?
b) Your backlight adjustment screen is okay? Using the standard or replacement which consumes additional memory?
c) What about yout comm manger screen? Are you still using the standard or using a replacement which takes up more memory?
d) Your phone does not leave a hole at the bottom after VJbigpohne is applied? The characters on the keys are centered or also to the edge? I saw VJ555's screen shot and its as beautiful as the standard. Mine is aweful looking, although it works. Are you having the perfect looking screen just like VJ555's or are you putting up with the less than perfect looking screen?
e) Do you use SPbGPRS monitor? When you click the task bar icon, does the pop up screen display correctly? Or are you not using this?
f) Your quick GPS is displaying okay?
g) What is your ROM version?
h) What it your os language?
Thank you for sharing these information.
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Hi Moskus,
Thanks for the reply.
May I get more specific about what you're having?
a) You mean your soft input panel (on screen keyboard) is not too tiny? Are you using Resco keyboard to overcome the problem? Are you able to use the standard with no problem?
b) Your backlight adjustment screen is okay? Using the standard or replacement which consumes additional memory?
c) What about yout comm manger screen? Are you still using the standard or using a replacement which takes up more memory?
d) Your phone does not leave a hole at the bottom after VJbigpohne is applied? The characters on the keys are centered or also to the edge? I saw VJ555's screen shot and its as beautiful as the standard. Mine is aweful looking, although it works. Are you having the perfect looking screen just like VJ555's or are you putting up with the less than perfect looking screen?
e) Do you use SPbGPRS monitor? When you click the task bar icon, does the pop up screen display correctly? Or are you not using this?
f) Your quick GPS is displaying okay?
g) What is your ROM version?
h) What it your os language?
Thank you for sharing these information.
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I think we have different "standards" for what the problems are.
a. I'm using the Resco keyboard, since the original is not showing up (as described in many other threads here and at the Qtek 9000 forum)
b. The backlight adjustment screen is OK.
c. The Comm Manager is "squished" but usable. I would prefer it if the icons were bigger, but I can use without any serious problems.
d. The phone does leave a gap at the bottom with the last displayed picture, and it would be nice if it didn't. But I can use the phone without problems.
e. I haven't tried SPG GPRS Monitor on this device. However, I do not have problems with the "home icon" that Magic Button is displaying in "Task Bar mode" and I can press/click on the other status indicators.
f. The QuickGPS application is also "squished" together as the Comm Manager is. But I can read when I last updated and I can find the "Update now" button without problems. I am able to use the program, but it could look nicer.
g. My ROM version is 1.25.409.2 (03/21/07).
h. My language is (not supprisingly) norwegian.
So TrueVGA is not perfect, and it probably never will be (until WM6 I hope). But I think the advantages (insert pun here) outweights the disadvantages. Using my Advantage without TrueVGA is not an option for me anymore.
I agree with you that it is not an option for many people. I guess I need to lower my expectation a little. It was just that after seeing the beautiful screen, the initial euphoria was somewhat dampened by the ugly screens for some places and for some program.
I'm using VGA mode most of the time, and use the largest font in the setting>system>screen>font selection due to the strain on my eye if I use other fonts.
One of the key problems that I had using trueVGA initially was that because I could not control the backlight setting, everytime I toggle to VGA mode, it revert to turning backlight off in 10 seconds. There is absolute no way to change it to stay on for longer time. So it was very frustration to look at an extremely dimmed screen which is totally unreadable outdoor. This problem seems to have gone away after two recent hard resets. With that problem gone, I guess I can live with the other imperfection
I had a simular problem with the backlight control --- I have installed "Todaywarrior" and I can control the backlight from the today screen now while in VGA mode.
leblancrs said:
I had a simular problem with the backlight control --- I have installed "Todaywarrior" and I can control the backlight from the today screen now while in VGA mode.
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Hi leblancrs,
Thanks for this info. What can today warrior do? Does it let you specify the elapsed time before backlight is off?
what else can it do?
You have the website link?
Spb pocket plus can adjust backlight, but not the time elapsed setting, I think.
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Hi leblancrs,
Thanks for this info. What can today warrior do? Does it let you specify the elapsed time before backlight is off?
what else can it do?
You have the website link?
Spb pocket plus can adjust backlight, but not the time elapsed setting, I think.
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Google is you're friend
http://personales.ya.com/beemer/todaywarrior1.htm
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I had a simular problem with the backlight control --- I have installed "Todaywarrior" and I can control the backlight from the today screen now while in VGA mode.
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Hi Leblancrs,
Downloaded that and tried it. Unfortunatley, this actually is not doing what I was talking about. While it provides a slider to control the backlight (which I can already do in many different ways without problem in VGA mode), it does not appear to have a facility to specify how many minutes must elapse before backlight is automatically switched off (battery and main would have a different setting of course). Or am I missing out something?
Well ive ordered one of these devices on the basis that Windows Mobile 6 offers VGA. Im pretty confident that is official not just hopeful but Microsoft have been known to dissapoint before.
If thats the case then I guess this device will be up on ebay pretty quick. Im not going through all the stuffing around for VGA like what you're all experiencing and like what I went through for Universal VGA. Despite the fact that converting to VGA seems to be a much easier process now.
Hhhmm
I have installed MW6 on my device and no native vga support I am afraid.
Oh well.
Those screens are way too small with VGA , like being blind!
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Those screens are way too small with VGA , like being blind!
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No, it's not. It's like seing alot!
It's absolutely excellent!
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No, it's not. It's like seing alot!
It's absolutely excellent!
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I used truevga for a while, although I didn't experience quite the same amount of problems as Eaglesteve I did have distorted comms and dialpad screens and was unable to change the brightness. There were a few other niggles but these were the prevalent one.
After getting over the novelty of tiny icons and lots of space on the today screen I eventually removed the program. Now IE and Opera support high resolution it seems like even less reason to use it.
There seems to be no REAL advantage to its use other than to view lots of icons at once.
Taking all the problems into account I can live with chunky icons - they're hardly offensive to the eyes. and I suppose didn't pay good money for a 5" screen to squint and have to get my pen out evey time I want to type something or navigate through menus.
Much as Microsoft DO neglect certain applications and functionlity with windows mobile I think that they have made a conscious decision not to use VGA and this decision would have been made for a reason, though we may never know it.
I'll install MVRTruevga again and give it another try now and see if my opinion alters......
leoni1980 said:
I used truevga for a while, although I didn't experience quite the same amount of problems as Eaglesteve I did have distorted comms and dialpad screens and was unable to change the brightness. There were a few other niggles but these were the prevalent one.
After getting over the novelty of tiny icons and lots of space on the today screen I eventually removed the program. Now IE and Opera support high resolution it seems like even less reason to use it.
There seems to be no REAL advantage to its use other than to view lots of icons at once.
Taking all the problems into account I can live with chunky icons - they're hardly offensive to the eyes. and I suppose didn't pay good money for a 5" screen to squint and have to get my pen out evey time I want to type something or navigate through menus.
Much as Microsoft DO neglect certain applications and functionlity with windows mobile I think that they have made a conscious decision not to use VGA and this decision would have been made for a reason, though we may never know it.
I'll install MVRTruevga again and give it another try now and see if my opinion alters......
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There are also a number of apps that look pretty strange with MvRTrueVGA. But I'll put up with some cosmetic defects for functionality. I just love being able to see a couple days of appointments, device status, weather info... plus an ilauncher strip, all on my today screen!
wgary said:
There are also a number of apps that look pretty strange with MvRTrueVGA. But I'll put up with some cosmetic defects for functionality. I just love being able to see a couple days of appointments, device status, weather info... plus an ilauncher strip, all on my today screen!
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I had the same excitement myself initially, though I found it difficult to press these icons with my fat fingers and inevitably decided that it was easier to just navigate to the program folder and leave essential apps for the today screen. I hope a new VGA solution is developed soon which makes the icons a bit bigger and throws up less garbled screens and program glitches.
In the interim does anyone have link for how to alter the sidebar/ softkey size so they look like thse in MVRtruevga? my internet is very slow on my phone today so searching is proving very frustrating.
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No, it's not. It's like seing alot!
It's absolutely excellent!
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your opinion dude , in mine its WAY too small, its not like you need to see so much at once . Who needs the eyestrain
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There seems to be no REAL advantage to its use other than to view lots of icons at once.
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Have you ever tried editing an Excel-spreadsheet or Word-document using MrVTrueVga? It's a must.
spacecat said:
your opinion dude , in mine its WAY too small, its not like you need to see so much at once . Who needs the eyestrain
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Sure it's my opinion, I was just commenting yours...
(To me) There is no eyestrain, so I don't "see" ( ) the problem...
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Have you ever tried editing an Excel-spreadsheet or Word-document using MrVTrueVga? It's a must.
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It is certainly easier to edit word and excel documents in VGA mode - I'm surprised MS didn't create a highres option for their office apps like the one in PIE.
You can change the default font size via the system>screen menu instead of switching to VGA for a slight improvement.
Hi guys, as soon as we get some more money the 2nd athena should be arriving to me, so in light of this i'd like to see what your feature requests are for the rom i will be building
Everything will be considered, but no guaruantees
Dont forget to
or this cant happen
suggestions...
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Hi guys, as soon as we get some more money the 2nd athena should be arriving to me, so in light of this i'd like to see what your feature requests are for the rom i will be building
Everything will be considered, but no guaruantees
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- Fix all trueVGA graphical problems. Icons, screens, etc. I would like to run in trueVGA full time without having these types of issues.
- Unlock Extended ROM so people can put their own apps in for the next hard reset. ;-)
- Put the "Tray Display" utility into the ROM so people can show or hide their trays. File name "traydisplayinstall_196.CAB".
- Setup the "BlueTooth Tray Status & BT Audio Util" on the ROM. File name "btIO-0.5.CAB".
- Maybe the functionality to add/remove program icons from the tray without having to modify the registry? ;-)
- All black VGA theme. Similar to the default WM6 theme but all black.
- If possible, maybe an updated version of Pirazu so we can control a mouse cursor with the joystick?
- Alternative to BlueMouse so we can use a BT mouse cursor on the device. BlueMouse is nice but it costs.
Make it work like "Touch" may be the looks....
vueFlo for everything.
jab said:
vueFlo for everything.
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Yes...how did I forget this. For sure trying to tie the vueFlo into other apps and possibly games, etc.
ltxda said:
- Fix all trueVGA graphical problems. Icons, screens, etc. I would like to run in trueVGA full time without having these types of issues.
- Unlock Extended ROM so people can put their own apps in for the next hard reset. ;-)
- Put the "Tray Display" utility into the ROM so people can show or hide their trays. File name "traydisplayinstall_196.CAB".
- Setup the "BlueTooth Tray Status & BT Audio Util" on the ROM. File name "btIO-0.5.CAB".
- Maybe the functionality to add/remove program icons from the tray without having to modify the registry? ;-)
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For me, these first five would be a darn good start.
- With #1 - Usable dialer in TrueVGA would be #1 on my list.
Couple more (may already be fixed in WM6, but have yet to plunge):
- WiFi On/Off is flaky unless you actually go into the Comm Manager (e.g., PhoneAlarm and other programs are not effective)
- I still have problems doing multiple mappings to Win and OK buttons. AEBPlus does this kinda, but then other buttons get mucked up. Given few number of buttons, this is really limiting.
Wish list:
- USB-powered Beer Tap. I know the low-power port might be an issue, but I'm sure this should be doable. Integration with MS VC would also be great, "Computer, pour beer." (All I can say is, it's been a long day!)
Actually I should have just put mapping of the vueFlo API. That should open up the rest of the developers to building cool widgets also.
VueFlo for rotate screen like iPhone
bebox said:
VueFlo for rotate screen like iPhone
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That would be cool! I'm in favour!
i think rotate screen would a great feature when you see a photo .
widcomm bluetooth stack =) for dun
also a way to use another windows phone as a bt headset like the touch (if possible)
Solid & Fast ROM compatible with previous backups
Damn guys...you're not asking for much are you...hehe. Actually I quite like the sound of the all Black VGA ROM with Touch like interface.
But hey, I'll settle for a an all black super reliable and damn fast ROM in vanilla favour.
You guys have made some great suggestions, that I can't argue with. All I can say..is I'd love a ROM that I can use my Spb Backup files with...without corrupting any software, so when you release version 0.1, 0.2 etc...it will still be compatible with my backup files, making the switching of ROM's a quick thing to do.
I hate my phone being out of action. and having to re-install everything again.
I third the black vga theme. Also in vga mode is it possible to make the start bar a little bigger so it is more finger friendly. Something the size of when it it is in qvga mode would be great. Also when you push the start bar and the drop down list pops up it would be great if that was larger with larger text. Also at least for me in vga mode in wm6 none of the 3g, signal strength icons show up in the start bar only the time does.
The only thing i'm against is the vueFlo. Except the part about using vueFlo to sense when to rotate the screen.
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I third the black vga theme. Also in vga mode is it possible to make the start bar a little bigger so it is more finger friendly. Something the size of when it it is in qvga mode would be great. Also when you push the start bar and the drop down list pops up it would be great if that was larger with larger text. Also at least for me in vga mode in wm6 none of the 3g, signal strength icons show up in the start bar only the time does.
The only thing i'm against is the vueFlo. Except the part about using vueFlo to sense when to rotate the screen.
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why not just make vueflo toggle ?
c0mput0r said:
I third the black vga theme. Also in vga mode is it possible to make the start bar a little bigger so it is more finger friendly. Something the size of when it it is in qvga mode would be great. Also when you push the start bar and the drop down list pops up it would be great if that was larger with larger text. Also at least for me in vga mode in wm6 none of the 3g, signal strength icons show up in the start bar only the time does.
The only thing i'm against is the vueFlo. Except the part about using vueFlo to sense when to rotate the screen.
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i think i can fix the larger text part...
here try this
WARNING...THIS IS NOT REVERSIBLE....NOT WITHOUT CHANGING SOME REG. ENTRIES... AT LEAST (and i don't know which one's need to change!!)
works well with se VGA too esp. if you have fading eyesight!!!
How about an icon on the task bar that rotates screen.
Also, when using the device in QVGA mode, smaller icons on today screen, start/program screen, start/setting screens.
When in VGA mode, but running a QVGA program , show a matching size bigger soft key buttons.
Show connection icons (H, 3G, G) correctly when in true vga mode.
I now have Hermes/TyTN and are used to and want be able to navigate everything office-related quickly with the keyboard (mostly Outlook Mobile and the ”File explorer” (Word-documents)
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Is it possible to customize a button shorcut to the ”File explorer”?
- I noticed that the keyboard lacks soft buttons and directional arrows - how does that work out?
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
I'm thinking about buying a Kaiser/TyTN II after a litte disapointing test of Touch Pro, but would like to enjoy the fun, exciting and practical things, like Google maps, of a Touch Phone as well.
/Dan
-There are 2 soft keys you can customize
-The D-pad/Optical scroll will still be usable in landscape mode and will be rotated so that it works correctly.
-It one of the fastest phones out there so yes they'll open quickly.
Thanks!
I´m afraid it lead to some more questions :s.
Okey, now I think I can see the scroll wheel which I guess works for instead of vertical arrows, but what about sideways?
By soft keys I meant the keys above the keyboard (se attachment), which one´s did you mean?
The reason I ask if it´s slow with opening Word-documents is that Touch Pro, also one of the fastest, took 15-25 sec. to open a 50kB doc. which is ridiculous because they usually are 150-200kB.
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Thanks!
I´m afraid it lead to some more questions :s.
Okey, now I think I can see the scroll wheel which I guess works for instead of vertical arrows, but what about sideways?
By soft keys I meant the keys above the keyboard (se attachment), which one´s did you mean?
The reason I ask if it´s slow with opening Word-documents is that Touch Pro, also one of the fastest, took 15-25 sec. to open a 50kB doc. which is ridiculous because they usually are 150-200kB.
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You can set those two keys to anything you want on just about any windows mobile device so setting that to file explorer shouldn't be problem at all.
When I was talking about the optical scroller, I was talking about the Xperia. I does not have a scroll wheel. You know those little mouse pads on labtops. Well it has a mini (sorta) one of those for scrolling on the bottom of the screen or you can use it as a D-Pad.
The touch pro has touchflo3d that may slow application loading time because it causes over head. On the standard today screen the Xperia should fly with opening word docs.
Danne said:
I now have Hermes/TyTN and are used to and want be able to navigate everything office-related quickly with the keyboard (mostly Outlook Mobile and the ”File explorer” (Word-documents)
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Is it possible to customize a button shorcut to the ”File explorer”?
- I noticed that the keyboard lacks soft buttons and directional arrows - how does that work out?
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
I'm thinking about buying a Kaiser/TyTN II after a litte disapointing test of Touch Pro, but would like to enjoy the fun, exciting and practical things, like Google maps, of a Touch Phone as well.
/Dan
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May I ask what disappointed you in the Touch Pro?
Except slow opening of word files?
Some clarifications:
- The two soft buttons.
There are two physical buttons below the display that you can use or you can just touch the buttons on the screen itself.
When the keyboard is open there are no physical buttons on the keyboard so you have to touch the screen or use the two buttons below (now on the side of) the screen.
- Directional Keys
Around the optical mouse there are 4 directional keys that work both with the keyboard open and closed. They work fine and they logically rotate with the screen orientation.
- Optical mouse
As Kloc said it's not a scroll wheel but works similar to a touch pad on a laptop.
Danne said:
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
/Dan
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I don't know about navigating to Outlook quickly, but 3 panels carry a shortcut to outlook - the SE Panel, the Spb Panel, and the Windows Panel... and from the latest videos i have seen, it is fast.
There is also another video on youtube where they open various office documents on the device including spreadsheets, word document, etc. and although i did not care to notice, but i am quite certain that it was not slow. i'll try to hunt down that video and post the link here.
Hi again (after sleep and work)
Ok, now I understand which soft buttons you guys mean, I was only refering to the ones that TyTN (see pic) has in landscape mode above the keyboard (very practical). I guess I´ll have to use the touch screen for those commands.
Thanks for the clarification about the directional keys I hope they are quick to work with in keyboard ”mode” as you imply.
And msalmank, if you find the link I´ll be happy to see it, if not one of you have direct experience with opening Word-documents. On Touch Pro I actually turned off the Touch Flo 3D and it didn´t become quicker (not much anyway). Slower than my 2 year old HTC TyTN.
Why I was dissapointed in Touch Pro (except slow opening of Word-documents)?
(I realize that the perspective here is narrow, but as said, I use the PDA mostly in this narrow office-way. Constantly and quickly changing calender-appointments and writing in different Word-documents. Besides that TP does have some great stuff in it!)
- The input method with auto suggestion of Words is really crappy (I don´t know it it´s the same in all WM6.1 phones(?))
- Low sound-signals for reminders and SMS
- Low battery time (but I´we seen completely different opinions on this matter so I don´t know what´s up with that)
- Unproportionaly big menus when using the keyboard in landscape mode (might be fixable?)
I just might buy the Xperia and test it and send it back if I´m not pleased. That might be the simplest solution. But buying the first couple of weeks is always risky, isn´t it.
I'm a PC, and this is my office!
I'm a PC, I'm a PC, I'm a PC (while doing a dance)
This is something i've never experienced with a windows mobile phone and i've had a ton with much worse hardware. My Xperia has crashed like 25x today and i just got it this morning. Granted i've been adding a lot of software and playing around with the device but the way it crashes is what i don't like. It just shuts off and restarts abruptly. It seems like it has to do with this panel system. When i press the panel button the phone crashes or restarts. Sometimes it just works fine but not often. Is anyone else seeing that? I have the touch 3d installed as well.
Mine has yet to crash. Although I haven't installed hardly any SW. Here's what I have installed:
Touch HD Keyboards
FlashLite3.1
SPB Panel
MissingSync
XperiaTweak1.6
I'm trying to take the software installs slow. I'm still feeling out the device and WM too.
Have you tried removing TF3D? I'm holding out until the bugs get worked out.
Yea i just did that and it seems stable now. I think i have to agree with u. It has too many bugs but it was nice to use for a second :-D I wonder why windows freaks out from this software.
I'm really hoping someone comes out with a the utility that asks you how u want connect ur device when you plug it in. I miss that from my touch pro.
i had the same problems! After i got rid of TouchFlo 3D all was fine again, so there seem to be issues with that.
Uninstall TouchFlo3D. For sure is the guilty
Dani
As a lot of people stated here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428351&page=21
TFL3D works well in X1 until you press the switch panel button. So until things are ironed out it is either TFL3D or panels.
its the touch flow 3d! it happenned to me
Well its official :-D Touch flo3D is gone. I wonder if its possible to skin spb mobile shell panel. I really hate the look of the one that is on here.
I found TF3D unstable until I installed the soft keyboards from the Touch HD. Not had a crash since.
steelydan said:
I found TF3D unstable until I installed the soft keyboards from the Touch HD. Not had a crash since.
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hm thats interesting, can anybody confirm that ?
I had the keyboards installed and its not that TF3D was unstable it seems that TF3d makes the panels unstable. I think if u never press the panel button then u should be able to keep TF3D working decently
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Yea i just did that and it seems stable now. I think i have to agree with u. It has too many bugs but it was nice to use for a second :-D I wonder why windows freaks out from this software.
I'm really hoping someone comes out with a the utility that asks you how u want connect ur device when you plug it in. I miss that from my touch pro.
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Any other comparisons to the Touch Pro. I like the X1 but thought I would check out a Fuze when it hits stores on Nov 11th. I'll still be within my return window for Expansys. I do like my X1 so far though.
Bxsteez said:
Well its official :-D Touch flo3D is gone. I wonder if its possible to skin spb mobile shell panel. I really hate the look of the one that is on here.
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There is actually a very nice TF3D skin for SPB Mobile Shell.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the skin has been named Touch Diamond Skin, its not WVGA resolution either so it probably wouldn't look all that great.
Here is a link if you want to give it a shot..obviously it doesn't work like TF3D does, but you can see in the video on the page is "similar."
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=5675
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Any other comparisons to the Touch Pro. I like the X1 but thought I would check out a Fuze when it hits stores on Nov 11th. I'll still be within my return window for Expansys. I do like my X1 so far though.
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Hmm i have a few comparisons but they are probably stuff u already know. The touch pro keyboard is a million times better. Its way more comfortable. The touch pro light sensor management is better as well. I like touch flow 3d more than i like the panels. The volume rocker on the touch pro is way better too. Speaking of volume the speaker volume of touch pro is MUCH LOUDER. I can't hear anything when someone is on speaker phone with the xperia.
The xperia's triangular call and end buttons are too small for my fat fingers i find myself hitting the panel button quite a bit when i try and make a call. Other than those things i think the xperia is the greatest phone i've ever used. I still have my touch pro and i'm gladly selling it. Oh and i would say get the touch pro or change the keyboard mapping or something cause the stupid fuze gets rid of the ctrl key which means no more cool shortcuts which is something i loved. Then again u do get an ok key it all depends on ur use.
Hi, I have also experienced the frequent crashing of my X1 when running TF3D and then switching to Panels using the PanelButton.
This is my current work around for this problem:
1. I have assigned my LeftButton to call a Mortscript that toggles TF3D on or off.
The script first kills of the Panelmanager.exe process and then launches TF3D.
2. When I want to switch panels I first press my LeftButton to kill of TF3D and then
press the PanelButton as usual.
It seems that my crashes mainly occur when TF3D and Panelmanager.exe are running at the same time.
To use the script just make a .mscr file with the following:
# Toggle TouchFlo 3D in HTC Diamond
bool = ProcExists("Manila.exe")
bool1 = ProcExists("PanelManager.exe")
If (bool1)
Kill("PanelManager.exe")
EndIf
If (bool)
Kill("Manila.exe")
If (NOT WndActive("Desktop"))
Show("Desktop")
EndIf
Else
Run("Manila.exe")
EndIf
Please note I found the idea to toggle TF3D from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398285
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Hi all
I am wondering if it is possible to edit TouchFlo 3D. I dont mean just changing colours and graphics, I mean change its contents. I would like to be able to edit the items that appear on it and add my own shortcuts to programs. Is this possible ?
Many thanks
That's really the whole point of the programs tab. You can add or remove existing tabs within the settings too.
I seriously doubt custom app tabs would be possible as this would require TF3D to render the app within itself.
Would be cool though if you could install custom tabs or build your own though... Not something I've looked into, anyone know if this is possible?
Tasks
Hi everyone,
Touch HD = my 1st WinMo Device. Coming from an N95 slightly dissapointed with camera and lack of group SMS but love everything else.
Is there a way to display tasks on the today screen in Touch Flo 3d?
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Hi everyone,
Touch HD = my 1st WinMo Device. Coming from an N95 slightly dissapointed with camera and lack of group SMS but love everything else.
Is there a way to display tasks on the today screen in Touch Flo 3d?
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Group SMS, you can almost certainly install a program for this! I've never used one myself but just a google search turns up a few...
First few results from google:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-group-sms.html
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/SMS/Group-SMS-56808.shtml
http://group-sms.en.softonic.com/windowsmobile
As I said never used it, not tried any of these but there will most certainly be people on this forum who can advise you better.
You might want to check out SecondToday for today screen tasks, they are not displayed directly on the TF3D today screen but are just 1 button away.