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We need some motivated talented CE people to help this Thunderbird Sync project take off.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
I know lots of people that refuse to use Outlook for email access. As you may or may not know (most likely know), one of the most popular alternatives seems to be Thunderbird. (makers of FireFox)
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ (v 1.x)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html (in beta)
Palm feels like it's going down hill lately.
(some unix based Palm OS in the works? we'll see....)
More and More people are going to want to try Windows Mobile phones. With so many rich features, how could you say no. It's only a matter of time before "they" need something to make it sync with their world though.
I have several friends that fit into this category may try out 6515's
I thought I'd put this out there to help nudge it along.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
Luckily for me I'm fine with Outlook. (mostly due to my normal job)
I Originally posted here:
http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7973&highlight=thunderbird
and here
http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8306
but xda-developers has a larger pool of master jedi pocket pc users obviously
Another nice work around I thought might work is some kind of on screen address book via remote controll. I just emailed soti (makers of pocket controller professional) http://www.soti.net/default.asp?Cmd=Products&SubCmd=PCPro
the following:
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Hello,
I just started using Pocket Controller Professional on my HP iPaq hw6515. It works great for me and the skin looks slick!
I have a suggestion.
I know several people that REFUSE to use Outlook on their windows machine. This means they can not take advantage of using and/or synchronizing their pocket pc >contacts< very easily. Their email client of choice is normally Thunderbird.
What if you could use your Pocket Controller Professional so your Pocket PC is your address book? It would be really cool if you could open up contacts, and then have a new Thunderbird email message auto fill in the TO field based on what you click through the Pocket Controller screen. (an on screen address book linked real time some how with the ipaq contacts)
What do you think?
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So, anyone up for the challange?
moving along.............
ThunderSync Project Update!! (sounds good)
>I really hope to see this ThunderSync project move forward still.
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>I have several friends that refuse to use outlook and I'd love to see
>them have a nice thunderbird sync solution as well.
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>I'm trying to drum up support for this!
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>http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8306
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>http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26106
Response................
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The project is still going ahead, although it's a little slower than expected due to my normal work.
The plan is as follows:
1. Get Email to Sync
2. Get contacts to Sync
3. Publish API for plugins.
I'm not planning on writing a calender/todo list sync just yet as Sunbird is still in it's infancy. (Although still pretty good) And once the plugin system is published other people can carry on the work.
Thanks for your interest in the project, hopefully it won't be too long before we are able to publish a beta.
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cool, looking forward to sync my xda IIi with thunderbird and sunbird
Hello s4czech,
your project sounds really interesting. I'm employed at an Italian County, computer science department. We are starting a test phase to replace all commercial mail software we actually use (mainly Eudora, Outlook) with an open source solution, Thunderbird. Many of our employee use a shared calendar served by Microsoft Exchange. Now we are testing Sunbird and Calendar for Thunderbird, and LDAP as shared address book, and phpicalendar as shared calendar, syncronized with Sunbird via iCal (.ics) standard. Everything works fine, but now some customers are asking us for something to sync the calendar (basically the .ics file) with their palm (mainly Outlook for Windows CE). We now that Sunbird is still in its starting phase, but we believe its already a good (and simple) tool for calendar and appointments management. Do you know about something we could use for syncing .ics files on PDAs under Outlook? I read about your decision not to develop a conduit for thunderbird calendar extension. If you could change your mind, we can also think about paying something for this Can you please send me a private message or leave an answer here in order to contact you via email?
Thanks in advance
coolmann.
Hello,
It's not my project. I'm just an enthusiastic guy trying to get exposure to it to speed things along. I'm happy to hear more people like you have a true need though. The more minds the better!
I would post your situation/requests in the ThunderSync projects main forum at sourceforge.net
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=453056
I sent a message directly to Darren F. - sol_bot and got the response I posted above.
Let us know how it goes and good luck!
[tb-sync - Open Discussion] RE: Project Status
Read and respond to this message at:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3324566
By: sol_bot
OK. So this is how the project stands at the moment.
The user interface is complete.
The code behind it is unfortunatly lacking.
Anyone that can give assistance in the area of Thunderbird mail is seriously requested.
I can inject messages into Pocket Outlook (Most of the time anyway) but need some help in the Thunderbird area.
Read and respond to this message at:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3324572
By: sol_bot
Darn it. I've never used Sourceforge or the CVS system on a Windows XP machine.
So anyone that can tell me how to set it up correctly gets 2 brownie points.
On a different note, I'm thinking that this project may require an XPI file for Thunderbird. Anyone that has a clue about these can get in contact with me. (Pwetty Pwease).
I do hope this project experiences progress: it would be very nice to use a single program such a Sunbird to sync since it runs on all platforms.
Is there an application (other than MS Outlook via ActiveSync) that allows you to load the PIM file onto your PC and update/edit via the PC?
Please don't say use ActiveSync. I have not been able to Sync since 9/06. I have posted my ActiveSync problem (many times) on this site and on HowardForums and have not resolved it. Thank you in advance.
nope.. there aint
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Thank you for your reply. However, I would still like to find another solution to edit/change my PIM on my PC with a specific application as I store my PIM backup on my 1Gb Card. Thanks again!
asctony said:
Is there an application (other than MS Outlook via ActiveSync) that allows you to load the PIM file onto your PC and update/edit via the PC?
Please don't say use ActiveSync. I have not been able to Sync since 9/06. I have posted my ActiveSync problem (many times) on this site and on HowardForums and have not resolved it. Thank you in advance.
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Ok, this isn't exactly what you asked for but there are some other options... You can use SyncML to sync your contacts, address book, tasks with a remote server (depending on the service you sync with is whether you can edit it on the server). To do this though, requires you to find a SyncML Client for PPC (since its not built into Windows Mobile (stupid Microsoft who thinks the entire world lives on Outlook and Exchange)). I've only used Sythesis SyncML (Its what we use in my company to sync with our servers). This is not a free program, but the basic version is only like $25. You can google to see if you can find other clients.
Then you need a server to sync with. Here's a couple I've heard about (and are supposed to be free). I've never used them myself so can't comment on how well they work:
http://www.o-sync.com/
https://zyb.com/
If you use Google for Calendar (I don't think it does address book) you can use:
https://www.goosync.com/
This (from the pictures) appears to be the Synthesis client (probably modified for GooSync). Not sure if you can customize it for other services or if it will only do calendar as I haven't installed it.
Again, I know its not exactly what you asked for, but it is a way to sync outside of the USB cable. My company uses Oracle Collabsuite (seeing how I work for Oracle, that makes sense ) and I use SyncML all the time on my Cingular 8125 via Synthesis SyncML client. Works great (most of the time) and allows me to keep my calendar, tasks, and contacts sync'd with no attachment to a PC (so I can sync in my car, while in a waiting room, or wherever).
mfrazzz said:
Ok, this isn't exactly what you asked for but there are some other options... You can use SyncML to sync your contacts, address book, tasks with a remote server (depending on the service you sync with is whether you can edit it on the server). To do this though, requires you to find a SyncML Client for PPC (since its not built into Windows Mobile (stupid Microsoft who thinks the entire world lives on Outlook and Exchange)). I've only used Sythesis SyncML (Its what we use in my company to sync with our servers). This is not a free program, but the basic version is only like $25. You can google to see if you can find other clients.
Then you need a server to sync with. Here's a couple I've heard about (and are supposed to be free). I've never used them myself so can't comment on how well they work:
http://www.o-sync.com/
https://zyb.com/
If you use Google for Calendar (I don't think it does address book) you can use:
https://www.goosync.com/
This (from the pictures) appears to be the Synthesis client (probably modified for GooSync). Not sure if you can customize it for other services or if it will only do calendar as I haven't installed it.
Again, I know its not exactly what you asked for, but it is a way to sync outside of the USB cable. My company uses Oracle Collabsuite (seeing how I work for Oracle, that makes sense ) and I use SyncML all the time on my Cingular 8125 via Synthesis SyncML client. Works great (most of the time) and allows me to keep my calendar, tasks, and contacts sync'd with no attachment to a PC (so I can sync in my car, while in a waiting room, or wherever).
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Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to provide a possible solution for my request. I will look into this and see if it will be a viable solution.
I was hoping that I could find a quick solution such as an application that would allow me to download a PIM file and edit it on my PC. However, I can see that there is no such thing at the present time.
Thank you again for your time and effort. I greatly appreciate it!
TonynMI
Is the Oracle calendar sometimes called "Corporate Calendar"?
A non-techy friend of mine asked me if she could sync her work PIM to an 8125 (they use what she calls "Corporate Calendar" at work... goggling seems to imply it _might_ be from Oracle, but I'm still not sure)....
This was the thread I could find that seems close... I've had a hard time getting much more info from her, as she's really not technical (but still trying to figure out what I can for her).
Thanks,
Mike
Hi
I'm currently running a mail server on a dedicated box (host @ datacenter 30€/month) under linux with courrier-imap. There is a way to implement IMAP IDLE function, that is almost the same than pushing emails.
I actualy tested it without FAM (File Alteration Monitor). Fam allow you to have a realtime email like blackberry. I don't need it, the basic IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE do a check every minutes and update if there is a mail.
I tested this feature through telnet and it worked lovely.
Now, in order to be able to use this feature over your windows mobile, you have the choice between to softwares.
The first is vgsmail http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/ (free trial)
This one will just enable the IMAP IDLE feature on your pocket outlook (seems to be the more elegant way to implement it)
The second is WIS Flexmail 2007 (search at google ) (free trial)
This one is a new client (i don't like to change my use personnaly)
The major problem of the both solutions is that you have to pay for it.
Does anyone can do a patch for pocket outlook to implement imap idle fonction on it ?
Regards.
Reference thread: Here
Check out Seven.
http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
I'm currently using it too work with my google IMAP account and I get push email. It works amaizing.
I don't know if its what your looking for but give it a shot and see.
I currently use it on my WM6 Hermes device and even though it not supported its working perfectly for me.
Knockz said:
Check out Seven.
http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
I'm currently using it too work with my google IMAP account and I get push email. It works amaizing.
I don't know if its what your looking for but give it a shot and see.
I currently use it on my WM6 Hermes device and even though it not supported its working perfectly for me.
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Hi, thanks for your tips, btw i like to know something, is it a standalone program or a plugin for pocket outlook ?
Regards.
Its an addon for pocket outlook that manages the account and the push functionality. It also does other types of accounts. It gave me push email for my work account and pop accounts.
You still read/reply and manage your emails using pocket outlook.
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Fantastic, gonna test it tomorrow !
Thanks buddy !
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I tested this solution, sounds like a third party server is getting email from your server :/. It won't be a problem if this project didn't looks like another commercial push (visto like).
Actualy Seven is acting like a visto, sevens server try to fetch mail ~2mn and push it on they proprietary client, who is pushing the message @ pocket outlook.
It means that my mail is going through seven mail server and Seven has all access granted to my mailbox.
I'm just looking for a soft (without thrid party server checking) enabling the IMAP IDLE fonction.
Test of vgsmail & flexmail
I tried to test them with imap idle
vgsmail has been renamed to EmansioPushMail, great, but it just crash my Hermes (Schap's 3.54 ROM). Tried an old cab called Vsgmail-Pushmail.cab (looks like an old beta). Result is the same (just with a different program name )
flexmail is working with imap idle correctly, but it's eating up all my memory (92% busy). So my Hermes just finish to crash cause it don't get enough memory (GPRS+Flexmail+msn+Audio Player).
The both solution are non free ...
Is there a chance to get imap idle implemented on pocket outlook someday ?
A desesperate Linux's mail server admin.
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
WM6 also supports IMAP4 and HTML mails...i don't really see much benefit for another email application...the full device integration will never be as good as with Pocket Outlook, I think.
VOODOOS!L said:
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
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Hi,
Actualy, the option that you are using is wasting a lot of bandwith.
Send/Receive procedure
1/ contact imap/pop server
2/ auth on it
3/ check message
This have an effective cost of bandwith (wich is limited to 10mo/month in my case)
It means that if you use this system you gonna waiste almost all bandwith just to check if there is some mails.
Imap Idle procedure
1/ contact/auth once
2/ enter idle mode
3/ server send a notification to the client entered in idle mode
This solution permit to don't waste bandwith and provide a real push solution (you have to install File Alteration Monitor on your mail server in order to get it) withouth FAM it works also but you can get a delay (less than 1mn).
This solution is the best cause you are not dependant of a third party who's all access on your mailbox (specialy for work purposes)
We don't want to set up any microsoft server or exchange servers (linux ftw).
KarhU said:
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
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I gave a try on it, it doesn't implement imap idle feature, thanks anyway
VOODOOS!L said:
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
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Depends on how often you get incoming mail.
If you only get one message per hour, but want to know within a few minutes of its arrival and set a 5-minute check interval, you're performing a LOT of extra full IMAP resyncs that are unnecessary, which will eat your battery.
There are also a number of other IMAP extensions usually implemented along with IDLE (known as the Lemonade Profile) that significantly reduce data transfers (and battery abuse), the basic IMAP support in Pocket Outlook does not implement these.
Entropy512 said:
Depends on how often you get incoming mail.
If you only get one message per hour, but want to know within a few minutes of its arrival and set a 5-minute check interval, you're performing a LOT of extra full IMAP resyncs that are unnecessary, which will eat your battery.
There are also a number of other IMAP extensions usually implemented along with IDLE (known as the Lemonade Profile) that significantly reduce data transfers (and battery abuse), the basic IMAP support in Pocket Outlook does not implement these.
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ok, thx for the clarification!
if the IDLE and lemonade would work in Pocket Outlook, would we be able to get push email in combination with the new GMail IMAP support? would be nice and cheap I guess
If you have unlimited text messages, use PushEffect - uses a text message to signal outlook to check email. Works great for me - http://www.qorefunctions.com/
Tranman79 said:
If you have unlimited text messages, use PushEffect - uses a text message to signal outlook to check email. Works great for me - http://www.qorefunctions.com/
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Unfortunately, i don't have any free sms service :/
VOODOOS!L said:
WM6 also supports IMAP4 and HTML mails...i don't really see much benefit for another email application...the full device integration will never be as good as with Pocket Outlook, I think.
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It doesn't support IMAP IDLE - see my related articles
KarhU said:
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
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no IDLE support either - again, make sure you ALL follow my articles - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IMAP Bible
Menneisyys said:
no IDLE support either - again, make sure you ALL follow my articles - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IMAP Bible
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Hi, very interesting article !
Thanks for the link.
I'm actualy in contact with the developper off vgsmail, cause it's really unstable with windows mobile 6 (random freeze works partialy)
I'll back to you when i'll get more information.
Kayser said:
I'm actualy in contact with the developper off vgsmail, cause it's really unstable with windows mobile 6 (random freeze works partialy)
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Anything new on this?
dew.man said:
Anything new on this?
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vgsmail is now Emansio:
http://www.emansio.com
and in my testing it still (version 20070916143800) seems unreliable and buggy on my Kaiser (WM6). Great idea, I wish the darn task manager icon could be removed, and I wish it worked properly. Price is high in USD with the current exchange rates, but I might be able to stomach the basic license if it worked....
Richard
Hi Guys
Long time lurker who has lusted after the X1 for quite some time.
I am persuading work to buy me one over the Blackberry that they prefer to supply us.
However I need demonstrate to them that I can receive emails whilst out and about . Trouble is we use Lotus Notes at work.
Will something like Commontime mNotes do the trick and is it possible to do what I want ? (receive emails from my lotus notes work server whilst out and about on the road)
In case it is relevant I am on Optus in Australia.
Cheers for reading.
You can use blackberry client for windows mobile, it seems it works great. For my concern I use XTNDConnect PC to synchronize my X1 and Lotus Notes 6. Follow the link (sorry in french but you can easily translate it) : http://www.smartphonefrance.info/actu.asp?ID=4877
If you have problems for translation : ask me
Ludovic
I am using Lotus Traveler, which a free application from Notes to sync your mail, your tasks, your contacts, even notes (the notes are within your mail template allready but not directly accessable, our notes IT guy changeed the standard mail template a little but - was a 5min hack - and schwupdiwup I have now notes) are possible.
It works quite well, previoulsy I had also xtnd connect but now not any more.
BUT: You have to set up a seperate server who is running this Traveller application in your company.
It is working also like push mail (realy within a minute or so) but than this is sucking the battery very quickly, so I am just "kicking" it from time to time to retrieve my mails.
You need to install a cab file on your phone do the setup and than it works.
In the futere I have heard it should be alos available for Symbian and iPhone but so far since 1 year only WM is availalbe.
Best regards
dingolino
Happy New Year all
Thanks for the replies and suggestions.
So, the good news appears to be I can set up the Xperia to receive emails on a regular basis whilst out and about like a Blackberry would ?
Time to start the work negotiations !
Howdy...
I'm using the standard email client (not Gmail) on my note 3...
My issue is that when I delete an email through either my laptop client, or my email's webclient (I use Fastmail.fm), the emails don't delete on my Note 3.
The result is that I can delete a bunch of old messages and spam on my laptop, but they hang around on my phone.
I've used K-9, and it works perfectly, deleting emails on the phone as I delete them on the laptop, but I was hoping to use the stock email client so I could have Galaxy Gear notifications from the email.
Has anyone else seen this issue? Or know how to fix it?
Thanks!
Best,
Ben
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ben1000 said:
Howdy...
I'm using the standard email client (not Gmail) on my note 3...
My issue is that when I delete an email through either my laptop client, or my email's webclient (I use Fastmail.fm), the emails don't delete on my Note 3.
The result is that I can delete a bunch of old messages and spam on my laptop, but they hang around on my phone.
I've used K-9, and it works perfectly, deleting emails on the phone as I delete them on the laptop, but I was hoping to use the stock email client so I could have Galaxy Gear notifications from the email.
Has anyone else seen this issue? Or know how to fix it?
Thanks!
Best,
Ben
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Hi Ben,
Since you are using a stock email client on your notebook, how have you enabled the syncing with your Note 3. When using GMail and other email clients, there's an API within the device which queries the email server requesting new notifications based on what you've triggered your device to query. With a stock email client, this does not always succeed as some ISP's have crippled 3rd party applications from querying their servers.
Hope this helps!
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'stock email client on my notebook'. It's Apple Mail, but I can use my webclient too..
As I mentioned, I'm not using an ISP. I use fastmail.fm
I have enabled 'syncing' on the phone... or else I wouldn't be getting new mail at all, I suppose...
So, getting new mail is not an issue. The issue is that mail deleted on my laptop is NOT deleted on my phone. So, if I delete 100 spam emails on my laptop, they are still on my phone. Again, only with the standard email client. It works perfectly with K-9.
Sorry if I've misunderstood your response. Can you elaborate what I may be doing wrong?
Best,
Ben
cellrama said:
Hi Ben,
Since you are using a stock email client on your notebook, how have you enabled the syncing with your Note 3. When using GMail and other email clients, there's an API within the device which queries the email server requesting new notifications based on what you've triggered your device to query. With a stock email client, this does not always succeed as some ISP's have crippled 3rd party applications from querying their servers.
Hope this helps!
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I started having problems with the stock email app on my note 2 & gave up on it & went over to using K9 so when I got my note 3 I expected problems with it but gave it another chance & it's completely screwed up. It constantly downloads mails I've deleted & shows them as unread & sometimes displays only old mail from about a year ago.. its a total mess... its doing that "your password has changed couldn't connect" thing that it also did on my note 2... I've now deleted all the accounts off it & only use K9.
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ben1000 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'stock email client on my notebook'. It's Apple Mail, but I can use my webclient too..
As I mentioned, I'm not using an ISP. I use fastmail.fm
I have enabled 'syncing' on the phone... or else I wouldn't be getting new mail at all, I suppose...
So, getting new mail is not an issue. The issue is that mail deleted on my laptop is NOT deleted on my phone. So, if I delete 100 spam emails on my laptop, they are still on my phone. Again, only with the standard email client. It works perfectly with K-9.
Sorry if I've misunderstood your response. Can you elaborate what I may be doing wrong?
Best,
Ben
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Hi Ben,
Based on your initial post, I though there were two issues:
Problems with your Apple Mail syncing with fastmail.fm and vice-versa
Problems with the K-9 application installed on your Android device syncing with fastmail.fm and vice-versa
Sorry for any confusion my post may have caused! This will be the best way to explain things and let me know should you have questions...
K-9 is an email client which you have installed on your Android device. This client has been configured during its initial setup so when you receive new mail, it is delivered to K-9 on your Android device. Syncing has been turned on so what you do with the remote client (K-9) will reflect on the server (fastmail.fm) and vice-versa. There is usually some type of setting triggered where on conflict, the server takes priority.
The above as you've suggested is working correctly but the problem here is with your Apple Mail:
Apple Mail is your client application within OS-X which supports the handling of email. During the configuration of this application, you have entered all your server settings for fastmail.fm so this client (Apple Mail) will query and pull email from the fastmail.fm server either real time, in specific intervals (5 min, 10 min etc...) or simply when you click a "Check Mail" button.
The problem you have is whenever you update Apple Mail, the changes are not reflecting (or syncing) to your device. I do not know much about Apple Mail but your issue would lead me to the conclusion you have disabled this ability within your Apple Mail program. I would double check your settings and make sure you have enabled your Apple Mail program to propagate changes to the server. This will allow changes made to email within your remote client to update server-side and should reflect across all your devices which are configured with the fastmail.fm email account.
The only issue is Apple products are very strict with their security measures so I know the Apple Mail client will download from the server but I'm unsure if it allows a post-back to update the server regarding changes made through the Apple Mail client. I'm sure it's a simple fix within the settings but if not, I'm assuming it has to do with a layer of security being implemented by Apple but not being an Apple user myself, someone else would need to clarify.
Hope this helps!
Howdy...
There's nothing wrong with Apple Mail... Working perfectly.
Nothing wrong with the webapp from Fastmail. Also perfect.
Nothing wrong with K-9. Works perfectly.
The issue is with the stock Android Mail app on my Note 3.
Cellrama... I sincerely appreciate your efforts, but perhaps you could confine yourself to just dealing with that issue, as I seem to be having a very tough time explaining the situation to you... There's nothing at all wrong with the laptop, webapp, or K-9. They have all been working as they should for several years now...
My only issue is that I would like to receive email notifications on my Gear.. So, I have to use the default Android email client.
But, as was stated by the other poster, it seems not to work correctly. When iMAP email is deleted, that delete should sync across all clients. With me, it's syncing perfectly with every client except Android Email.
I apologize if my initial post confused you. I'm new to this forum, and I don't seem to be having much luck describing the problem in a way you are able to understand, so again, I apologize.
If anyone else has a solution to the issue, I would greatly appreciate your input.
Best,
Ben
cellrama said:
Hi Ben,
Based on your initial post, I though there were two issues:
Problems with your Apple Mail syncing with fastmail.fm and vice-versa
Problems with the K-9 application installed on your Android device syncing with fastmail.fm and vice-versa
Sorry for any confusion my post may have caused! This will be the best way to explain things and let me know should you have questions...
K-9 is an email client which you have installed on your Android device. This client has been configured during its initial setup so when you receive new mail, it is delivered to K-9 on your Android device. Syncing has been turned on so what you do with the remote client (K-9) will reflect on the server (fastmail.fm) and vice-versa. There is usually some type of setting triggered where on conflict, the server takes priority.
The above as you've suggested is working correctly but the problem here is with your Apple Mail:
Apple Mail is your client application within OS-X which supports the handling of email. During the configuration of this application, you have entered all your server settings for fastmail.fm so this client (Apple Mail) will query and pull email from the fastmail.fm server either real time, in specific intervals (5 min, 10 min etc...) or simply when you click a "Check Mail" button.
The problem you have is whenever you update Apple Mail, the changes are not reflecting (or syncing) to your device. I do not know much about Apple Mail but your issue would lead me to the conclusion you have disabled this ability within your Apple Mail program. I would double check your settings and make sure you have enabled your Apple Mail program to propagate changes to the server. This will allow changes made to email within your remote client to update server-side and should reflect across all your devices which are configured with the fastmail.fm email account.
The only issue is Apple products are very strict with their security measures so I know the Apple Mail client will download from the server but I'm unsure if it allows a post-back to update the server regarding changes made through the Apple Mail client. I'm sure it's a simple fix within the settings but if not, I'm assuming it has to do with a layer of security being implemented by Apple but not being an Apple user myself, someone else would need to clarify.
Hope this helps!
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ben1000 said:
Howdy...
I'm using the standard email client (not Gmail) on my note 3...
My issue is that when I delete an email through either my laptop client, or my email's webclient (I use Fastmail.fm), the emails don't delete on my Note 3.
The result is that I can delete a bunch of old messages and spam on my laptop, but they hang around on my phone.
I've used K-9, and it works perfectly, deleting emails on the phone as I delete them on the laptop, but I was hoping to use the stock email client so I could have Galaxy Gear notifications from the email.
Has anyone else seen this issue? Or know how to fix it?
Thanks!
Best,
Ben
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Ben,
When you setup your fastmail account, did you set it up as a "POP" account or an "IMAP" account? POP accounts will only pull a copy of the email from the server to your device, but will not push changes made on your device back to the server. IMAP, however, is a two-way email protocol that will push changes made on your phone to the server. It looks like Fastmail supports both POP & IMAP, so I would try following the instructions listed here.
Howdy...
Thanks, but it's IMAP. I assume that if it weren't, it wouldn't work perfectly with Apple Mail, WebMail, and K-9.
It seems no one really wants to admit that this is an Android problem... No worries, I appreciate the help, and will look elsewhere... I appreciate the time you took to reply...
Best,
Ben
edwmsjr said:
Ben,
When you setup your fastmail account, did you set it up as a "POP" account or an "IMAP" account? POP accounts will only pull a copy of the email from the server to your device, but will not push changes made on your device back to the server. IMAP, however, is a two-way email protocol that will push changes made on your phone to the server. It looks like Fastmail supports both POP & IMAP, so I would try following the instructions listed here.
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ben1000 said:
Howdy...
There's nothing wrong with Apple Mail... Working perfectly.
Nothing wrong with the webapp from Fastmail. Also perfect.
Nothing wrong with K-9. Works perfectly.
The issue is with the stock Android Mail app on my Note 3.
Cellrama... I sincerely appreciate your efforts, but perhaps you could confine yourself to just dealing with that issue, as I seem to be having a very tough time explaining the situation to you... There's nothing at all wrong with the laptop, webapp, or K-9. They have all been working as they should for several years now...
My only issue is that I would like to receive email notifications on my Gear.. So, I have to use the default Android email client.
But, as was stated by the other poster, it seems not to work correctly. When iMAP email is deleted, that delete should sync across all clients. With me, it's syncing perfectly with every client except Android Email.
I apologize if my initial post confused you. I'm new to this forum, and I don't seem to be having much luck describing the problem in a way you are able to understand, so again, I apologize.
If anyone else has a solution to the issue, I would greatly appreciate your input.
Best,
Ben
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Ben,
Your initial posts refers to multiple devices and what works/doesn't work. I fully understood your post and was trying to provide you a little background information. I apologize if you took offense but when I ask what stock email client you're using on your notebook and the response received by you is you're unsure what I mean but you use "Apple Mail"... Well that's an email client!
The issue is when using the stock email application provided by Android, when you make changes through your Apple Mail program, this is not syncing to your device or to your Galaxy Gear for that matter. The simple answer is... With your stock Android application, as long as you have enabled IMAP, email should sync effortlessly. This has already been suggested by another member. If it is not working, you will need to check the settings in your Apple Mail client as well as your stock email application within Android. There is most likely something on the server which is blocking your sync. I would even log into fastmail.fm through your web browser and check the settings on their server to ensure everything is set correctly. As for the Galaxy Gear device... Well, I would not buy this as I've heard more bad than good and one review set focus on it's poor ability to sync email.
Hope this answers your question with more clarity.
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ben1000 said:
Howdy...
Thanks, but it's IMAP. I assume that if it weren't, it wouldn't work perfectly with Apple Mail, WebMail, and K-9.
It seems no one really wants to admit that this is an Android problem... No worries, I appreciate the help, and will look elsewhere... I appreciate the time you took to reply...
Best,
Ben
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I think it's more to do with a settings issue server-side (in the settings on fastmail.fm) or through one of your clients which is used to access your email. You rely on a web-based email solution (fastmail.fm) which you access using one of many programs installed on an array of devices. The problem here is when using the stock Android application for mail, any modifications made to mail through your notebook running "Apple Mail" will not propagate across the server and update live on your device using the stock Android mail app. You already have stated every other application and program work but it's just the stock Android mail application.
This would lead me to believe the stock Android mail app does not support fastmail.fm. Many API's developers now use are custom and specific to targeted applications such as an API call to communication with GMail and their array of services. I agree you're issue pertains to the stock Android mail app. Is this an Android problem??? Just as much as it is a fastmail.fm problem. Fastmail.fm is not your most popular email program therefore, developers will not be flocking to purchase custom API's for implementation into their software.
You have answered your own question circuitously! I use the stock email app for GMail and Outlook without problem so the developer has implemented the proper API's to interact with IMAP on these specific servers but I will assume has opted against this for a less popular web-mail server.
Hope this helps!
Actually, I think it's far more likely that Apple Mail, Fastmail, and K-9 all work perfectly, and that, as has been suggested by others many times on this forum and even on this thread, the stock Android app is flawed... This would make sense, since I'm sure Google would rather you use Gmail than some other provider.
Thanks for your time, but there are many assumptions in your email that are wrong... but let's just call it quits at this point. No need to reply, as I won't be checking.
I truly appreciate the time and detail you put into your post, and I'm sure you'll help many others.
Best,
Ben
PS: I've been using the Galaxy Gear for about a week, and find it a wonderful companion. I highly recommend it. Is it perfect? No, but I believe it's the best smartwatch out there currently, and it has exceeded my admittedly lowered expectations...
cellrama said:
Ben,
Your initial posts refers to multiple devices and what works/doesn't work. I fully understood your post and was trying to provide you a little background information. I apologize if you took offense but when I ask what stock email client you're using on your notebook and the response received by you is you're unsure what I mean but you use "Apple Mail"... Well that's an email client!
The issue is when using the stock email application provided by Android, when you make changes through your Apple Mail program, this is not syncing to your device or to your Galaxy Gear for that matter. The simple answer is... With your stock Android application, as long as you have enabled IMAP, email should sync effortlessly. This has already been suggested by another member. If it is not working, you will need to check the settings in your Apple Mail client as well as your stock email application within Android. There is most likely something on the server which is blocking your sync. I would even log into fastmail.fm through your web browser and check the settings on their server to ensure everything is set correctly. As for the Galaxy Gear device... Well, I would not buy this as I've heard more bad than good and one review set focus on it's poor ability to sync email.
Hope this answers your question with more clarity.
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I think it's more to do with a settings issue server-side (in the settings on fastmail.fm) or through one of your clients which is used to access your email. You rely on a web-based email solution (fastmail.fm) which you access using one of many programs installed on an array of devices. The problem here is when using the stock Android application for mail, any modifications made to mail through your notebook running "Apple Mail" will not propagate across the server and update live on your device using the stock Android mail app. You already have stated every other application and program work but it's just the stock Android mail application.
This would lead me to believe the stock Android mail app does not support fastmail.fm. Many API's developers now use are custom and specific to targeted applications such as an API call to communication with GMail and their array of services. I agree you're issue pertains to the stock Android mail app. Is this an Android problem??? Just as much as it is a fastmail.fm problem. Fastmail.fm is not your most popular email program therefore, developers will not be flocking to purchase custom API's for implementation into their software.
You have answered your own question circuitously! I use the stock email app for GMail and Outlook without problem so the developer has implemented the proper API's to interact with IMAP on these specific servers but I will assume has opted against this for a less popular web-mail server.
Hope this helps!
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ben1000 said:
Actually, I think it's far more likely that Apple Mail, Fastmail, and K-9 all work perfectly, and that, as has been suggested by others many times on this forum and even on this thread, the stock Android app is flawed... This would make sense, since I'm sure Google would rather you use Gmail than some other provider.
Thanks for your time, but there are many assumptions in your email that are wrong... but let's just call it quits at this point. No need to reply, as I won't be checking.
I truly appreciate the time and detail you put into your post, and I'm sure you'll help many others.
Best,
Ben
PS: I've been using the Galaxy Gear for about a week, and find it a wonderful companion. I highly recommend it. Is it perfect? No, but I believe it's the best smartwatch out there currently, and it has exceeded my admittedly lowered expectations...
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There's no assumptions in my email which are wrong but hey... everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you read a bit closer, I agree with what you've stated! Your response mirrors mine in that the Android email app is flawed. Whether this is due to lack of API implementation or forced by other more dominant email providers, that's anyone's guess.
Glad you like your Galaxy Gear. I cannot comment but based on reviews, I would tend to shy away myself but that's great it works for you.
Thanks and have a good night!
ben1000 said:
Howdy...
Thanks, but it's IMAP. I assume that if it weren't, it wouldn't work perfectly with Apple Mail, WebMail, and K-9.
It seems no one really wants to admit that this is an Android problem... No worries, I appreciate the help, and will look elsewhere... I appreciate the time you took to reply...
Best,
Ben
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Ben,
Just want to clarify to make sure we didn't miscommunicate. I wasn't asking if Fastmail is IMAP...i know that it supports both IMAP & POP. My question was did you set it up as an IMAP account on your phone. When adding an email account via the stock email app on the Note 3, after you enter your email address & password and pressing the "manual setup" button you'll be asked if it is a POP account, IMAP account or Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync account. If your server supports IMAP and you set it up as an IMAP account on the phone, it should work. It's a universal protocol that is supported on both ends. Sorry if I misunderstood your response...just wanted to make sure I was clear.
Thanks,
Ed